Radiant Destruction/Oppresion (Jesus beam)

Neoxilion

I want to complain about the Jesus beam that people spam on you from full health and that emperor can one shot you with. This skill doesn't only hit like a truck but it has a 20+ meter range and locks on to you. I would like to ask for a NERF, either a bit of a damage nerf so it does 4k ticks instead of 8k, or if that is too much then give it a good 3 or 4 second channel time. This ability hits harder than most ultimates after the it is done locking on to you through walls. Thank you.

Cathexis

Invasion/bash/crushing shock

Neoxilion

Im using 2h, cant bash because it is ranged and they are in a group of 20+, and Im not a sorc, it is not a 1v1 situation anyways in which case you can get 1 shoted by the ability without the animation showing up on the first tick.

Orchish

Cathexis wrote: »

Invasion/bash/crushing shock

So you start a thread calling for DKs reflective wings to be nerfed yet you think Radiant destruction is fine?

I'm glad you're not on the balance team.

maxjapank

Cathexis wrote: »

Invasion/bash/crushing shock

los/purge/block/poison arrow

Baconlad

Wooty...another one. Makes at least ten!

Baconlad

Oh! Or you CAN DODGE ROLL BACKWARD OUT OF RANGE easiest way to get out of it I he's max range with it

Neoxilion

Baconlad wrote: »

Oh! Or you CAN DODGE ROLL BACKWARD OUT OF RANGE easiest way to get out of it I he's max range with it

I would like to see how in a 1vx you can move out of the range, when you cant line of site once it is locked on you already.

Orchish

Baconlad wrote: »

Oh! Or you CAN DODGE ROLL BACKWARD OUT OF RANGE easiest way to get out of it I he's max range with it

Yeah good luck with that lol

Bdawwg

So 20 people on you and what annoys you is a Jesus Beamer. I get annoyed when I'm 1vxing and some guy is spamming snipe in the corner. Annoying as hell but that's what you expect when you're the 1 not the X.

TARAFRAKA

Neoxilion wrote: »

I want to complain about the Jesus beam that people spam on you from full health and that emperor can one shot you with. This skill doesn't only hit like a truck but it has a 20+ meter range and locks on to you. I would like to ask for a NERF, either a bit of a damage nerf so it does 4k ticks instead of 8k, or if that is too much then give it a good 3 or 4 second channel time. This ability hits harder than most ultimates after the it is done locking on to you through walls. Thank you.

Neoxilion wrote: »

I want to complain about the Jesus beam that people spam on you from full health and that emperor can one shot you with. This skill doesn't only hit like a truck but it has a 20+ meter range and locks on to you. I would like to ask for a NERF, either a bit of a damage nerf so it does 4k ticks instead of 8k, or if that is too much then give it a good 3 or 4 second channel time. This ability hits harder than most ultimates after the it is done locking on to you through walls. Thank you.

Ermmm...just about any decent emperor can kill you...with anything.

TARAFRAKA

Also if you you were fighting 20...why only take offense with this skill?
We're the other 19 just dancing naked watching the festivities? ?
If you replace your original post with any skill, say surprise attack or dark flare just as an example, your statement would be completely the same.
TL DR Nerf everything, let's just cuddle each other.
I'm being serious, I love cuddling.

Neoxilion

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Also if you you were fighting 20...why only take offense with this skill?
We're the other 19 just dancing naked watching the festivities? ?
If you replace your original post with any skill, say surprise attack or dark flare just as an example, your statement would be completely the same.
TL DR Nerf everything, let's just cuddle each other.
I'm being serious, I love cuddling.

Because it is the skill that does 9k ticks, same or more damage than ultimate abilities, it is also the one I cant dodge roll or simply dodge in general.

Idinuse

Stop lying about this ability already. It's an execute, above 25% it averages 2K ticks.

I was hit by a 19k Executioner so please nerf it. Also Wrecking Blow has hit 7k through block, it needs to go.

As to dodge roll, this is the #1 reason cheesy dodge, mitigate or reflect everything are QQ their eyes out over this skill. because it's a channel (3 sec) and no channels in ESOTU are dodgeable.

I would however gladly take a change to RD so that it is a dodgeable instant skill, with the same range and damage scaling as now - ~2K above 25% and it's current dmg under 25%. I will love all the AC moves this gives (not to mention usability in 1v1+), with Javelin not the least. But QQ, that'd be reason to spray salt all over the forums again, so Javelin would need a nerf to range, and then Dark Flare, and another nerf to BoL - heck why not make all Templar skills potato so that all you God Mode monkey rollers, reflect all, shuffle all, all skills miss me can have something to make you feel l337 and pwning again, because you clearly can't be bothered to learn what you actually should be doing against this skill, so your ego needs the crutches.

RD is a perfect counterweight to the current dodge all, shuffle misses or reflect all meta.

However, if the first tick is applied the same instant the button is pressed (this is not my experience, but I do not doubt the ones that have had it), that should be the thing being fixed about this skill.

Unsent.Soul

Typical forum complainer... complain and when met with reason, just refuses to learn/adapt.

Sandman929

Here's the problem with Jesus Beam; there are high damage stam builds that can 1-2 hit you into execute range while the channel is on you...and the problem is RD?

TARAFRAKA

Right. People can 1 to 3 shot people out of stealth and that's considered NORMAL and HEALTHY gameplay.
Meanwhile, we're discussing RD because it's the one thing OP can't dodge roll.
Remember, any skills I use are fine or underpowered, and any skills that I am killed by are OP.
Also, before one asks for a nerf, one should ask exactly how the skill works and what it's counters are. It already IS a 3 sec channel. It is blockable if you can count to 3. It is LOSable. (Is that a word?) It is interruptable.

Sophieous

May I ask if you happen to be a NB or a sorc?

I mean, i'm all in for that, nerf jesus beam, nerf BoL more, nerf sweeps and javelin, make it a useless class.

On a more serious note, no jesus beam can hit you for 9k if you're full health. It doesn't even scratch me. A potential solution could be that they lower the dmg it does before the 30% mark, so people can stop whining. I don't see why they should nerf the templar's only execute spell. Every other class pretty much has one.

And they should do that, after they take a look at NB's inc strike that's beyond ridiculous right now, spammable ambush and suprise attacks, then they should take a look at templars OP ABILITY. Not to mention the snipers from miles away

I'm tired of people moaning about it. Have one of ur healers apply ritual it cleanses it, dodge roll backwards so ur out of range, bash, cfrag them, etc. So many ways to counter it.

WassyLad

Quite sure ritual doesn't cleanse it anymore. I find it ridiculous that people can sit at the back of the zerg and hit you with it for 20k+ sometimes.

It's range is 50 metres near a keep if you have the passives, it's ridiculous. A 50metre execute that can hit over 15k easily unless you have the spell damage of a wet noodle.

jhharvest

I was attacked by 3 templars:

I dodge rolled behind a rock but it didn't help. But maybe l2p issue as I might have lived if I hard spammed harness magicka instead. Not sure.

Sandman929

Maybe I need to start taking pictures of Lethal Arrow hits...

TARAFRAKA

jhharvest wrote: »

I was attacked by 3 templars:

I dodge rolled behind a rock but it didn't help. But maybe l2p issue as I might have lived if I hard spammed harness magicka instead. Not sure.

Couple things.
The first two hits of that, the damage is completely normal for ANY ability. Especially if if you weren't blocking or using harness etc. The last one hit you that hard because you were in execute range at that point.
Also, there are too many variables. Are you wearing impen, how many CP do you have and how are they allocated? What are you stats, and health? Were the 3 templars specced for beamplar trolling but that is all they're really capable of doing etc? So many variables.
The key to remember is if you would have encountered 3 sorcs in the same scenario you gave your recap could've just as easily said crushing shock and endless fury attacks. 3 night blades? Heavy attack and surprise attack etc.
1v3 is always capable of ending with you dead, just with different skills.

TARAFRAKA

jhharvest wrote: »

I was attacked by 3 templars:

I dodge rolled behind a rock but it didn't help. But maybe l2p issue as I might have lived if I hard spammed harness magicka instead. Not sure.

Also it looks like your a sorc. Streak out of range after hitting harness next time.

JAMESLJNR

jhharvest wrote: »

I was attacked by 3 templars:

I dodge rolled behind a rock but it didn't help. But maybe l2p issue as I might have lived if I hard spammed harness magicka instead. Not sure.

Yes, you died. Just the same way you would die if you had 3 high damage nightblades spamming suprise attacks on you. There really isn't anything wrong with RD. It really is a l2p issue if you're dying to 1/2 jesus beam spammers and this is coming from a guy who has 20k health.

jhharvest

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Were the 3 templars specced for beamplar trolling but that is all they're really capable of doing etc? So many variables.
The key to remember is if you would have encountered 3 sorcs in the same scenario you gave your recap could've just as easily said crushing shock and endless fury attacks. 3 night blades? Heavy attack and surprise attack etc.
1v3 is always capable of ending with you dead, just with different skills.

Any other single skill from 3 people and I would have been fine after a dodge roll (except maybe well synchronised poison injection / focused aim but that requires more than 1 button from each). I got hit by 3 executes from stealth at full health, 2 ticks from each. First two didn't do much at all but getting hit by 3 at once killed me. Block casting harness might have saved me, it's true. I just found the concept funny, of these vampire magplars who go running as a group in stealth and ganking people with a single (undodgeable) skill.

WreckfulAbandon

jhharvest wrote: »

TARAFRAKA wrote: »

Were the 3 templars specced for beamplar trolling but that is all they're really capable of doing etc? So many variables.
The key to remember is if you would have encountered 3 sorcs in the same scenario you gave your recap could've just as easily said crushing shock and endless fury attacks. 3 night blades? Heavy attack and surprise attack etc.
1v3 is always capable of ending with you dead, just with different skills.

Any other single skill from 3 people and I would have been fine after a dodge roll (except maybe well synchronised poison injection / focused aim but that requires more than 1 button from each). I got hit by 3 executes from stealth at full health, 2 ticks from each. First two didn't do much at all but getting hit by 3 at once killed me. Block casting harness might have saved me, it's true. I just found the concept funny, of these vampire magplars who go running as a group in stealth and ganking people with a single (undodgeable) skill.

Hopefully you learned your lesson then? All this QQ just makes it more enjoyable to laser down monkey rollers. If you don't like getting melted, put some more points into health.

And I've still seen some of the more prolific tweakers in this game deal with RD just fine. With 6k wep dmg stamina can outheal magicka.

Not trying to be mean, but I'm getting sick of these RD threads. The same thing happened to Cloak and it was nerfed heavily, we have bugs in the game that need to be fixed so we can see how Magplar is actually performing.

Edit: I see there probably wasn't much of a lesson to learn if you got stealth ganked. Still, my knee-jerk response stands because of the "I would have been fine" statement

hairahcas

JAMESLJNR wrote: »

jhharvest wrote: »

I was attacked by 3 templars:

I dodge rolled behind a rock but it didn't help. But maybe l2p issue as I might have lived if I hard spammed harness magicka instead. Not sure.

Yes, you died. Just the same way you would die if you had 3 high damage nightblades spamming suprise attacks on you. There really isn't anything wrong with RD. It really is a l2p issue if you're dying to 1/2 jesus beam spammers and this is coming from a guy who has 20k health.

Exactly. The only difference is that the RD ability is hard to NOT notice if it's cast on you, so whiners gravitate towards it. People remember RD because it's loud and hard to miss that animation. Unless you're at low health though, an experienced player has nothing to worry about. A nightblade will 2-shot you before you even see whats happening. No difference. To complain that some Scrubplars will stand in the back of a Zerg casting RD at people who are already being attacked is a complaint about Zerging in general, not RD itself.

KundaliniHero

I pvp everyday and I can tell you there's no shortage of magplars who open with RD and use nothing else - usually I take this as a hint that I can kill them easily, that is unless there are 3 or 4 of them, I just don't know how you would interrupt them all and still be effective - at that point its Benny Hill time with the LOS. In a fair fight though, where people are atleast somewhat knowledgeable its a non issue. Win some, lose some.

zuto40

can someone explain to me why my tank which has

Maxed reduction in cp
Maxed Resistances
Battle spirit
Undeath
And mist form

was getting hit for 6k tics?

a1i3nz

I've flip flopped a bunch on RD but now after playing 10 hours today and most my deaths involving 3 serperate rds, screw this it really needs a cap at least.

Here's my idea, make it cap in PVP so only one RD can hit you at a time. Because it's really pathetic how many people are rolling Templar just for RD. I've seen dozens of low level Temps spamming nothing but RD. And this way you can still have the full ability if you're solo.

Qbiken

Let me guess: You want everything that doesn´t benefit your stamshufflebuild to get nerfed? And while you´re at it, please complain about the Malubeth set. Long time since I´ve seen one of those (kappa)