[BUG] IGNEOUS WEAPONS - Still broken since Thieves Guild

bottleofsyrup

Igenous Weapons is not granting Major Brutality to the player, only to nearby people or people in the group. If step out of their range and cast it, you get the buffs. This has made it useless for group play since Thieves Guild. It still grants the player Major Sorcery regardless of conditions, but that doesn't do Stamina builds any good as we are who use Igneous Weapons. I have reported the bug more than once in-game, and numerous threads have been made about it, but ZOS has remained quiet.

@ZOS_GinaBruno (welcome back, btw ) @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel

It's such an amazing skill...when it works. This is /u/TankyTankinson's post on Reddit detailing the issue. https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/4mo0uh/igneous_weapons_skill_broken/

Edit: I should note that Molten Armaments (the other morph) works fine and doesn't have this issue.

Edit 2: NPCs seem to affect this as well. I just went away from any other players and casted it, and it was applying to a bunch of NPCs and not me. Moving away from the NPCs and recasting granted me the proper buffs.

UltimaJoe777

Works fine on PS4 though.

Smileybones

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

I have reported the bug more than once in-game, and numerous threads have been made about it, but ZOS has remained quiet.

You never get any reply using the ingame bug report command, it doesn't mean an entry in the bug tracker isn't created.

Same for for forums: no answer doesn't mean the bug hasn't been added to the bug tracker.

bottleofsyrup

Smileybones wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

I have reported the bug more than once in-game, and numerous threads have been made about it, but ZOS has remained quiet.

You never get any reply using the ingame bug report command, it doesn't mean an entry in the bug tracker isn't created.

Same for for forums: no answer doesn't mean the bug hasn't been added to the bug tracker.

I wasn't expecting a reply from the bug tracker. I was expecting a fix after 4 months.

bottleofsyrup

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Works fine on PS4 though.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/277990/is-igneous-weapons-bugged-on-pc-and-xbox-one

boldscot

More than likely, no eta. This had already been discussed on h

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Works fine on PS4 though.

I haven't tested it lately but this same thing was happening on PS4 before db.

UltimaJoe777

boldscot wrote: »

More than likely, no eta. This had already been discussed on h

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Works fine on PS4 though.

I haven't tested it lately but this same thing was happening on PS4 before db.

My Vampire runs the skill, so I'll test in-depth later and post results, as well as a screenshot showing the buffs on my character screen.

bottleofsyrup

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

boldscot wrote: »

More than likely, no eta. This had already been discussed on h

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Works fine on PS4 though.

I haven't tested it lately but this same thing was happening on PS4 before db.

My Vampire runs the skill, so I'll test in-depth later and post results, as well as a screenshot showing the buffs on my character screen.

Just to confirm, Igneous Weapons, right? Molten Armaments (the non-Brutality morph) is fine. If so, try it in close proximity to 6 or more people. That might be the number cut-off similar to Purge.

boldscot

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

boldscot wrote: »

More than likely, no eta. This had already been discussed on h

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Works fine on PS4 though.

I haven't tested it lately but this same thing was happening on PS4 before db.

My Vampire runs the skill, so I'll test in-depth later and post results, as well as a screenshot showing the buffs on my character screen.

Haha, you don't have to.
I just tested it amongst NPC's in craglorn (that's right even NPC's can cause this) and a group of 7 player's at wayrest wayshrine no major brutality, just igneous weapons and minor brutality from the mountains blessing passive.

Hookgrin

I believe that is the same problem as described here> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/272468/bug-purge-always-hitting-same-six/p1. Or at least closely related, part of the same problem.

"Smart Heals" which really applies to all AoE abilities, have been moved from true area effects to group only effects, but there is a flaw in the system where only the first 6 in the group (I would assume that means the 6 that have been in the group the longest) get the affect.

If this is the case with Igneous weapons, then you were not among the 6 so you didn't get it?

Very annoying to be right next to an ally that is not in my group and I can't heal them, buff them or anything, bad design if you ask me. And I have experienced first hand Rapid Maneuver not applying to a group member right next to me.

boldscot

Hookgrin wrote: »

I believe that is the same problem as described here> https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/272468/bug-purge-always-hitting-same-six/p1. Or at least closely related, part of the same problem.

"Smart Heals" which really applies to all AoE abilities, have been moved from true area effects to group only effects, but there is a flaw in the system where only the first 6 in the group (I would assume that means the 6 that have been in the group the longest) get the affect.

If this is the case with Igneous weapons, then you were not among the 6 so you didn't get it?

Very annoying to be right next to an ally that is not in my group and I can't heal them, buff them or anything, bad design if you ask me. And I have experienced first hand Rapid Maneuver not applying to a group member right next to me.

Doesn't make any sense though does it it, since the caster doesn't get it.

UltimaJoe777

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

boldscot wrote: »

More than likely, no eta. This had already been discussed on h

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Works fine on PS4 though.

I haven't tested it lately but this same thing was happening on PS4 before db.

My Vampire runs the skill, so I'll test in-depth later and post results, as well as a screenshot showing the buffs on my character screen.

Just to confirm, Igneous Weapons, right? Molten Armaments (the non-Brutality morph) is fine. If so, try it in close proximity to 6 or more people. That might be the number cut-off similar to Purge.

Yes, Igneous. He's a hybrid of sorts using both Weapon and Spell Damage so it benefits him.

Ok so I used it in Rawl'kha Bank (more than 6 others around) got the same result as boldscot. Igneous Weapons gives the Spell Damage buff so I still get that (which is fine since despite being hybrid my Vampire is more leaned toward Spell than Weapon Damage) but no Weapon Damage increase. It definitely has control issues as right after I ran off to a secluded area and used it again and got both the Spell Damage increase from Igneous Weapons and Major Brutality.

bottleofsyrup

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

boldscot wrote: »

More than likely, no eta. This had already been discussed on h

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Works fine on PS4 though.

I haven't tested it lately but this same thing was happening on PS4 before db.

My Vampire runs the skill, so I'll test in-depth later and post results, as well as a screenshot showing the buffs on my character screen.

Just to confirm, Igneous Weapons, right? Molten Armaments (the non-Brutality morph) is fine. If so, try it in close proximity to 6 or more people. That might be the number cut-off similar to Purge.

Yes, Igneous. He's a hybrid of sorts using both Weapon and Spell Damage so it benefits him.

Ok so I used it in Rawl'kha Bank (more than 6 others around) got the same result as boldscot. Igneous Weapons gives the Spell Damage buff so I still get that (which is fine since despite being hybrid my Vampire is more leaned toward Spell than Weapon Damage) but no Weapon Damage increase. It definitely has control issues as right after I ran off to a secluded area and used it again and got both the Spell Damage increase from Igneous Weapons and Major Brutality.

Thanks for checking. We should have a good set of data for ZOS when they come back Monday. I updated my post to reflect your observation about Major Sorcery. I noticed I still get that regardless (my spell damage goes up), so it just seems to be a case of the Major Brutality buff not giving any priority to the caster in terms of the limit of people affected.

bottleofsyrup

OP updated to reflect current .

UltimaJoe777

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

boldscot wrote: »

More than likely, no eta. This had already been discussed on h

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Works fine on PS4 though.

I haven't tested it lately but this same thing was happening on PS4 before db.

My Vampire runs the skill, so I'll test in-depth later and post results, as well as a screenshot showing the buffs on my character screen.

Just to confirm, Igneous Weapons, right? Molten Armaments (the non-Brutality morph) is fine. If so, try it in close proximity to 6 or more people. That might be the number cut-off similar to Purge.

Yes, Igneous. He's a hybrid of sorts using both Weapon and Spell Damage so it benefits him.

Ok so I used it in Rawl'kha Bank (more than 6 others around) got the same result as boldscot. Igneous Weapons gives the Spell Damage buff so I still get that (which is fine since despite being hybrid my Vampire is more leaned toward Spell than Weapon Damage) but no Weapon Damage increase. It definitely has control issues as right after I ran off to a secluded area and used it again and got both the Spell Damage increase from Igneous Weapons and Major Brutality.

Thanks for checking. We should have a good set of data for ZOS when they come back Monday. I updated my post to reflect your observation about Major Sorcery. I noticed I still get that regardless (my spell damage goes up), so it just seems to be a case of the Major Brutality buff not giving any priority to the caster in terms of the limit of people affected.

I didn't quite test using it multiple times though so someone could try that and see if they eventually buff themselves.

Papa_Hunt

Wait, are you saying you, as the caster, don't get your own weapon damage buff from Igenous Weapons? If that's the case, wow! This seems like the alternative to having to use a 2 hander, but if it's broken...

bottleofsyrup

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

Wait, are you saying you, as the caster, don't get your own weapon damage buff from Igenous Weapons? If that's the case, wow! This seems like the alternative to having to use a 2 hander, but if it's broken...

Yep! Was going to try a DW/Bow build out but it's just too unreliable. If it were working, it'd be great because it'd also grant Minor Brutality and restore stamina (Earthen Heart passives).

Papa_Hunt

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

Wait, are you saying you, as the caster, don't get your own weapon damage buff from Igenous Weapons? If that's the case, wow! This seems like the alternative to having to use a 2 hander, but if it's broken...

Yep! Was going to try a DW/Bow build out but it's just too unreliable. If it were working, it'd be great because it'd also grant Minor Brutality and restore stamina (Earthen Heart passives).

How can they not fix this? Wow!

Papa_Hunt

@bottleofsyrup Is your magicka higher then your stamina? I wonder if it is only giving currently one buff depending which is higher (still broken)? If you had higher stam, would you get the brutality buff?

bottleofsyrup

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

@bottleofsyrup Is your magicka higher then your stamina? I wonder if it is only giving currently one buff depending which is higher (still broken)? If you had higher stam, would you get the brutality buff?

My stamina is the highest stat, but it's supposed to grant the buff regardless. We've determined it's the 6 person limit not prioritizing the player, ZOS just needs to not be so silent on this.

UltimaJoe777

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

@bottleofsyrup Is your magicka higher then your stamina? I wonder if it is only giving currently one buff depending which is higher (still broken)? If you had higher stam, would you get the brutality buff?

My stamina is the highest stat, but it's supposed to grant the buff regardless. We've determined it's the 6 person limit not prioritizing the player, ZOS just needs to not be so silent on this.

Silence doesn't mean they don't acknowledge or see this. This thread is on the front page during busy hours on a weekday so someone is seeing it.

Right @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ?

boldscot

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

Wait, are you saying you, as the caster, don't get your own weapon damage buff from Igenous Weapons? If that's the case, wow! This seems like the alternative to having to use a 2 hander, but if it's broken...

Yep! Was going to try a DW/Bow build out but it's just too unreliable. If it were working, it'd be great because it'd also grant Minor Brutality and restore stamina (Earthen Heart passives).

You can still use it, it should be fine in the maelstrom or 4 player content. Just useless in a trial.

bottleofsyrup

boldscot wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

Wait, are you saying you, as the caster, don't get your own weapon damage buff from Igenous Weapons? If that's the case, wow! This seems like the alternative to having to use a 2 hander, but if it's broken...

Yep! Was going to try a DW/Bow build out but it's just too unreliable. If it were working, it'd be great because it'd also grant Minor Brutality and restore stamina (Earthen Heart passives).

You can still use it, it should be fine in the maelstrom or 4 player content. Just useless in a trial.

Many dungeons have friendly NPCs who are always in range of it and contribute to the "6", sadly.

boldscot

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

boldscot wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

Wait, are you saying you, as the caster, don't get your own weapon damage buff from Igenous Weapons? If that's the case, wow! This seems like the alternative to having to use a 2 hander, but if it's broken...

Yep! Was going to try a DW/Bow build out but it's just too unreliable. If it were working, it'd be great because it'd also grant Minor Brutality and restore stamina (Earthen Heart passives).

You can still use it, it should be fine in the maelstrom or 4 player content. Just useless in a trial.

Many dungeons have friendly NPCs who are always in range of it and contribute to the "6", sadly.

Yeah I've had this happen, it easier in a dungeon to move a bit away from people and use it though. I've stopped using the skill now and get major brutality from potions.

Nox31

I use it in pvp and all works fine

Papa_Hunt

Nox31 wrote: »

I use it in pvp and all works fine

Even in groups @Nox31 ?

Papa_Hunt

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

@bottleofsyrup Is your magicka higher then your stamina? I wonder if it is only giving currently one buff depending which is higher (still broken)? If you had higher stam, would you get the brutality buff?

My stamina is the highest stat, but it's supposed to grant the buff regardless. We've determined it's the 6 person limit not prioritizing the player, ZOS just needs to not be so silent on this.

Silence doesn't mean they don't acknowledge or see this. This thread is on the front page during busy hours on a weekday so someone is seeing it.

Right @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ?

I hope so @UltimaJoe777 !

Right @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ?

Nox31

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

Nox31 wrote: »

I use it in pvp and all works fine

Even in groups @Nox31 ?

Yes even in groups

bottleofsyrup

Nox31 wrote: »

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

Nox31 wrote: »

I use it in pvp and all works fine

Even in groups @Nox31 ?

Yes even in groups

How big of groups and how tight are you guys? It's possible many of your group members are just out of range of it. Does the Major Brutality buff show in your active effects? Not to be confused with Minor Brutality, which is also granted on cast from the Earthen Heart passive.

UltimaJoe777

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Nox31 wrote: »

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

Nox31 wrote: »

I use it in pvp and all works fine

Even in groups @Nox31 ?

Yes even in groups

How big of groups and how tight are you guys? It's possible many of your group members are just out of range of it. Does the Major Brutality buff show in your active effects? Not to be confused with Minor Brutality, which is also granted on cast from the Earthen Heart passive.

No, if you are within range of 6 or more other players Igneous Weapons will NOT provide YOU with Major Brutality. It is not in active effects and your Weapon Damage is unchanged.

However, I cannot vouch for using it more than once as that was all I did was use it once.

bottleofsyrup

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Nox31 wrote: »

Papa_Hunt wrote: »

Nox31 wrote: »

I use it in pvp and all works fine

Even in groups @Nox31 ?

Yes even in groups

How big of groups and how tight are you guys? It's possible many of your group members are just out of range of it. Does the Major Brutality buff show in your active effects? Not to be confused with Minor Brutality, which is also granted on cast from the Earthen Heart passive.

No, if you are within range of 6 or more other players Igneous Weapons will NOT provide YOU with Major Brutality. It is not in active effects and your Weapon Damage is unchanged.

However, I cannot vouch for using it more than once as that was all I did was use it once.

Just trying to prove to him that it's bugged. The recasting was something I tested though and can confirm it doesn't work.