Fix the auto ban system v2

asneakybanana

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel The auto ban system is penalizing players for being at the top of their game and completing content too fast. How is this at all logical? I know many people who have never and will never hack the game yet they have been banned for "speed hacks" presumably in vMA as its mainly people posting fast runs. How can you at all justify the auto ban system when its detecting innocents and people who actually cheated are roaming around? The auto ban system is just a lazy implementation that puts caps on what zos "thinks is possible" even though they have no clue whats actually possible in their game. Auto ban should be used as a temporary solution where its only tagging the people who are being extremely obvious such as flying or perma ult or extreme stat modification and while that is in place they should be working on adding a fix that doesnt revolve around banning people and instead revolves around actually fixing the hacks.

No naming and shaming actual devs need to see this not the useless forum mods.

Oh and an update ZoS has apparently not even been able to tell that this was a false positive and permanently banned the player. So pretty much right now im afraid to even go into vMA to try and put up a decent score because zos cant tell the difference between a decent score and exploiting apparently.

Egonieser

asneakybanana wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel The auto ban system is penalizing players for being at the top of their game and completing content too fast. How is this at all logical? I know many people who have never and will never hack the game yet they have been banned for "speed hacks" presumably in vMA as its mainly people posting fast runs. How can you at all justify the auto ban system when its detecting innocents and people who actually cheated are roaming around? The auto ban system is just a lazy implementation that puts caps on what zos "thinks is possible" even though they have no clue whats actually possible in their game. Auto ban should be used as a temporary solution where its only tagging the people who are being extremely obvious such as flying or perma ult or extreme stat modification and while that is in place they should be working on adding a fix that doesnt revolve around banning people and instead revolves around actually fixing the hacks.

No naming and shaming actual devs need to see this not the useless forum mods.

As much as I'd tend to agree, don't think anybody here cares, especially the devs. Mods will just try and brush it away as nothing has ever happened. It's a lost cause.

KramUzibra

I agree!

Ackwalan

asneakybanana wrote: »

I know many people who have never and will never hack the game yet they have been banned for "speed hacks" presumably in vMA as its mainly people posting fast runs. .

And I have seen bigfoot on numerous occasions. I could be lying, but you won't know for sure.

asneakybanana

I guess we all need to make sure we arent good players and just play at the [snip] tier that ZoS expects all their uses to play at

[Edit to remove censor bypass.]

Molag_Crow

Ackwalan wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

I know many people who have never and will never hack the game yet they have been banned for "speed hacks" presumably in vMA as its mainly people posting fast runs. .

And I have seen bigfoot on numerous occasions. I could be lying, but you won't know for sure.

Oh, you have? well I hear there's people who blindly defend actions taken against players via an auto-ban system, when it wrongfully bans players for actually being fast, good and consistent (like Andy in vMSA who has video proof of his whole run.)

Dredlord

asneakybanana wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel The auto ban system is penalizing players for being at the top of their game and completing content too fast. How is this at all logical? I know many people who have never and will never hack the game yet they have been banned for "speed hacks" presumably in vMA as its mainly people posting fast runs. How can you at all justify the auto ban system when its detecting innocents and people who actually cheated are roaming around? The auto ban system is just a lazy implementation that puts caps on what zos "thinks is possible" even though they have no clue whats actually possible in their game. Auto ban should be used as a temporary solution where its only tagging the people who are being extremely obvious such as flying or perma ult or extreme stat modification and while that is in place they should be working on adding a fix that doesnt revolve around banning people and instead revolves around actually fixing the hacks.

No naming and shaming actual devs need to see this not the useless forum mods.

Oh and an update ZoS has apparently not even been able to tell that this was a false positive and permanently banned the player. So pretty much right now im afraid to even go into vMA to try and put up a decent score because zos cant tell the difference between a decent score and exploiting apparently.

Sorry but maybe you and your friends should just stop cheating. Btw your macroing in pvp is painfully obvious....

asneakybanana

Dredlord wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel The auto ban system is penalizing players for being at the top of their game and completing content too fast. How is this at all logical? I know many people who have never and will never hack the game yet they have been banned for "speed hacks" presumably in vMA as its mainly people posting fast runs. How can you at all justify the auto ban system when its detecting innocents and people who actually cheated are roaming around? The auto ban system is just a lazy implementation that puts caps on what zos "thinks is possible" even though they have no clue whats actually possible in their game. Auto ban should be used as a temporary solution where its only tagging the people who are being extremely obvious such as flying or perma ult or extreme stat modification and while that is in place they should be working on adding a fix that doesnt revolve around banning people and instead revolves around actually fixing the hacks.

No naming and shaming actual devs need to see this not the useless forum mods.

Oh and an update ZoS has apparently not even been able to tell that this was a false positive and permanently banned the player. So pretty much right now im afraid to even go into vMA to try and put up a decent score because zos cant tell the difference between a decent score and exploiting apparently.

Sorry but maybe you and your friends should just stop cheating. Btw your macroing in pvp is painfully obvious....

Why would he show constant improvements in his vma score over months and month instead of going straight to the top like some other players did? He is one of the most skilled players in pve that I know and doesnt deserve the BS that he is going through because some bads couldnt figure out how to get over 500k in maelstrom.

ishilb14_ESO

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_GaryA

So German is not banned for blatantly using a third party program to get the highest VMA score, but Jace gets banned for being a really good player and the support personnel say that he will not get banned? We would like elaboration as to why players get banned for being good but not get banned for using third party programs. Should I just use cheat engine now to do VMA as a sure way to NOT get banned?

Fyaal

Banning top VMA scores for being too good? Even when there is absolute video proof of these players getting those scores?

This is one of the absolute dumbest things I have ever seen ZOS.

If I were sneaky right now, I wouldn't even do VMA since apparently you cant tell the difference between cheaters and actual good players.

ishilb14_ESO

Dredlord wrote: »

Sorry but maybe you and your friends should just stop cheating. Btw your macroing in pvp is painfully obvious....

What's your character name? I'll teach you how to pvp. Please don't speak about pvp macros if you don't know who AsianMayhem is

Dredlord

ishilb14_ESO wrote: »

Dredlord wrote: »

Sorry but maybe you and your friends should just stop cheating. Btw your macroing in pvp is painfully obvious....

What's your character name? I'll teach you how to pvp. Please don't speak about pvp macros if you don't know who AsianMayhem is

Oh Im sorry are you the foremost expert on macros in pvp?

asneakybanana

Dredlord wrote: »

ishilb14_ESO wrote: »

Dredlord wrote: »

Sorry but maybe you and your friends should just stop cheating. Btw your macroing in pvp is painfully obvious....

What's your character name? I'll teach you how to pvp. Please don't speak about pvp macros if you don't know who AsianMayhem is

Oh Im sorry are you the foremost expert on macros in pvp?

He probably knows more about game mechanics than you do thinking that other than for 1 shot sniping and ganking macros actually work well in this game.

Dredlord

asneakybanana wrote: »

Dredlord wrote: »

ishilb14_ESO wrote: »

Dredlord wrote: »

Sorry but maybe you and your friends should just stop cheating. Btw your macroing in pvp is painfully obvious....

What's your character name? I'll teach you how to pvp. Please don't speak about pvp macros if you don't know who AsianMayhem is

Oh Im sorry are you the foremost expert on macros in pvp?

He probably knows more about game mechanics than you do thinking that other than for 1 shot sniping and ganking macros actually work well in this game.

Oh very insightful...

Clearly you have tried them and thank you for clearing that up.

Whatzituyah

Honestly I think its hard to tell what is and isn't possible in a game with customization that can result in many variables.

magictucktuck

Umm I doubt he was ban for being over 500k plenty of people on console can achieve that so I'm sure ZOS knows you guys can too.

qrichou

Good news , they realy seem to perma ban players .
To bad the news come from players and not. from zos.


Uhm . . this is so against my nature , but ,

GOOD JOB ZOS

Whatzituyah

Why not make it not an auto ban but a ping for investigation that way theres a jury and not just a judge that says guilty.

xblackroxe

Its really pathetic whats going on atm. People getting banned left and right for being good. People getting permabanned for gapclosing into keeps. But obvious cheaters get unbanned. GOOD JOB ZOS, REALLY.

Andy got banned for a few days. Jace too now and seemingly permanently. Its just pathetic. And the worst are the responses you get for raising awareness. People just being bad bashing on people that dedicate their time to be the best, help people by showing builds, tactics. Its just lame.
People here don´t accept any evidence from the players but blindly believe in ZOS. I smell some hypocrisy right here.

Ackwalan

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

I know many people who have never and will never hack the game yet they have been banned for "speed hacks" presumably in vMA as its mainly people posting fast runs. .

And I have seen bigfoot on numerous occasions. I could be lying, but you won't know for sure.

Oh, you have? well I hear there's people who blindly defend actions taken against players via an auto-ban system, when it wrongfully bans players for actually being fast, good and consistent (like Andy in vMSA who has video proof of his whole run.)

The amount of times od heard." my buddy got banned and he didn't do anything" when in fact he was cheating his butt off, I'll take the auto-ban system every time.

Attackopsn

I mean couldn't there be some kind of dialogue between players and zeni? Maybe having some player-base moderation that other games have could be healthy here. It's quite obvious when someone jumps from like a low 500k to a 597k that they are cheating versus players who have actually refined their runs and made little jumps.

Problem is there are ignorant people out there who have no concept of what is actually possible in the game. Not just devs, but players that frequently accuse other players at the top of these leaderboards of cheating or hacking because they don't understand how what they did was possible. I mean we had some of this nonsense being posted just yesterday right here in gen.

ishilb14_ESO

@ZOS_GinaBruno who is in charge of disciplinary action? Why has this issue not been address that a player who blatantly used a 3rd party program (german) is not banned, but Jace got banned even though he has video proof of his run that shows he didn't use any 3rd party program.

asneakybanana

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Any update on if this is being looked into at all? Its absolutely destroying end game competition as players dont want to run the risk of being banned for being "too good".

Ackwalan

asneakybanana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Any update on if this is being looked into at all? Its absolutely destroying end game competition as players dont want to run the risk of being banned for being "too good".

Just stop with that 'being too good" garbage. No one is falling for it.

kevlarto_ESO

I still see cheaters in game, so the so the auto ban is not doing it's job yet, I would like to see more cheaters gone. There are good players in the game I doubt any legit player is getting banned for being to good, that is just an elite player making an excuse for cheating most likely, and if you are banned wrongly there is things you can do and ZOS will investigate and let you play again. Most people seem to get a 72 hour suspension, that's far from permanent, and if the cheat engine is detected or any other third party software used, perma ban is what they should expect.

sagitter

Detecting speed hack softwares is generally easy if you got the right tools. You need just to check and monitor the user files data packet sent/received to the server in a certain period of time. Smart lamers tend to active the hack tool with a slight speed to be less detectable. I don't know what kind of strategy Zos use, but i hope cheaters will get what they deserve, LOSERS!!!

starkerealm

asneakybanana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Any update on if this is being looked into at all? Its absolutely destroying end game competition as players dont want to run the risk of being banned for being "too good".

Then they should stop using CE and try to compete legitimately.

asneakybanana

starkerealm wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Any update on if this is being looked into at all? Its absolutely destroying end game competition as players dont want to run the risk of being banned for being "too good".

Then they should stop using CE and try to compete legitimately.

you dont need cheat engine to get a good score I stream a lot of my vMA runs and hold #2 for sorc and #5 for NB on NA. If you honestly believe people need to exploit to do decent in this game then you need to watch some of jace's and andy.s' videos showing whats truly possible in vMA if you dedicate yourself to it.

Personofsecrets

I don't even want to PVP because of these going ons.

Wollust

Wow the witch hunt from the baddies is real

starkerealm

asneakybanana wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Any update on if this is being looked into at all? Its absolutely destroying end game competition as players dont want to run the risk of being banned for being "too good".

Then they should stop using CE and try to compete legitimately.

you dont need cheat engine to get a good score I stream a lot of my vMA runs and hold #2 for sorc and #5 for NB on NA. If you honestly believe people need to exploit to do decent in this game then you need to watch some of jace's and andy.s' videos showing whats truly possible in vMA if you dedicate yourself to it.

And you haven't been banned for cheating. Like I said, they should stop using CE and try to compete legitimately.