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Missing Skill Point
tke376
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Hello,
My main on Xbox NA has 288 skill points after visiting the rededication shrine. Based on the sources of skill points found here: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Skills#Earning_Skill_Points and knowing what I have and haven't done yet in the game that yields a skill point, I feel I should have 289 skill points. I’ve checked my achievements, Cadwell’s Almanac, my map, and even retraced my steps to see if I missed a quest giver… and I can’t for the life of me figure out where I am missing the skill point from. I have contacted support in regard to this issue (and at that time I had 287 skill points after visiting a rededication shrine, when I felt I should have 288 – I have since earned 1 skill point from PvP) and they finally said to post “details about this issue on the forums.” So that’s what I’m doing.
Support’s initial advice was to:
“First, double check that you have not put the point into a skill already. If you still believe you are missing skill points, you can visit a shrine of Stendarr to respec your character and their skills points. This will grant you all the points you have earned so far, and you will be able to reallocate them as you see fit.”
I responded with:
“As I stated in my original email: after visiting a Shrine of Stendarr it refunds me 287 skill points; however, I think that I’ve earned 288 skill points based on the quests and activities that yield skill points. Please refer to my original e-mail where I go into great detail about the sources of skill points and what I have and haven’t done off of that list. Please either add the missing skill point, or in the case that my list and what I think I’ve already done is incorrect, point me in the right direction of what quest I am missing so I can get that skill point. Thank you.”
They responded with:
“We have exhausted all of our standard trouble shooting methods. This has been escalated to a specialized team for further investigation.”
Two days later I receive another email telling me to perform a soft reset and to delete my game’s saved data. I try that, but am still missing the skill point. I respond with:
“I have tried both doing a soft reset and deleting my game’s save data, and I still believe I am missing a skill point. I do have 288 skill points after visiting a rededication shrine now, but only because I have earned a skill point in PVP since I sent my original support email (I am now PVP rank 6, Tyro Rank 2). I believe I should have a total of 289 skill points, but I’m only showing 288. I wish you guys would go through my original support email where I provided a very detailed list of the quests and activities that provide skill points and what of those I believe I have done. I have tried to the best of my ability to confirm that I have completed those quests and activities by checking my achievements and maps, and as far as I can tell, I have. Please refer to my original email and list, and please help me locate my missing skill point. Thank you.”
The most recent mail from support is now telling me to file a bug report:
“Please try submitting a bug report so that the Development Team can review the issue further. You can do so by posting details about this issue on the forums.”
At this point I am very frustrated. I feel like support didn’t even bother to read my message in its entirety or make an effort to see where I was missing a skill point from. Instead, they issue some standard, but inadequate, troubleshooting steps for the situation, and then pass the buck to filing a bug report. Below is a list of the sources of skill points in the game and what I have and haven’t done from the list. Hopefully someone from ZOS will see this message and can provide better customer service than I have had up to this point, and help me figure out where the missing skill point is!
SOURCES OF SKILL POINTS
Leveling your character, up to level 50 (64 Skill Points)
- My character is level 50.
Completing quests in the main quest (11 Skill Points)
- Main questline completed.
• Soul Shriven in Coldharbour
• The Harborage
• Daughter of Giants
• Chasing Shadows
• Castle of the Worm
• The Tharn Speaks
• Halls of Torment
• Valley of Blades
• The Shadow of Sancre Tor
• Council of the Five Companions
• The God of Schemes
Completing quest chains in the Dominion, Covenant, Pact, and Coldharbour main storylines (49 Skill Points)
- All zone quests completed.
Aldmeri Dominion (15)
Auridon (3):
• Rites of the Queen
• The Veil Falls
• Sever All Ties
Grahtwood (3):
• The Grip of Madness
• Heart of the Matter
• A Lasting Winter
Greenshade (3):
• Throne of the Wilderking
• Pelidil's End
• Striking at the Heart
Malabal Tor (3):
• Reap What Is Sown
• Restore the Silvenar
• Buyer Beware (Note: According to UESP, this quest is actually a “side quest” and not part of the zone main story questline)
Reaper’s March (3):
• The First Step
• Motes in the Moonlight
• The Den of Lorkhaj
Daggerfall Covenant (16)
Glenumbra (4):
• Bloodthorn Assassins
• Purifying the Wyrd Tree
• The Fall of Faolchu
• Angof the Gravesinger
Stormhaven (3):
• Sir Hughes’ Fate
• The Return of the Dream Shard
• Vaermina’s Gambit
Rivenspire (3):
• The Blood-Splattered Shield
• The Liberation of Northpoint
• The Lightless Remnant
Alik’r Desert (3):
• A Reckoning with Uwafa
• Alasan’s Plot
• Amputating the Hand
Bangkorai (3):
• The Parley
• Storming the Garrison
• To Walk on Far Shores
Ebonheart Pact (15)
Stonefalls (3):
• The Death of Balreth
• The General’s Demise
• Sadal's Final Defeat
Deshaan (3):
• Plague Bringer
• The Seal of Three
• The Judgement of Veloth
Shadowfen (3):
• The Skin Stealer’s Lair
• Keepers of the Shell
• The Dream of the Hist
Eastmarch (3):
• One Victor, One King
• Eternal Slumber
• Songs of Sovngarde
The Rift (3):
• Through the Shroud
• Shattered Hopes
• Stomping Sinmur
Coldharbour (3):
• Light from the Darkness
• Breaking the Shackle
• The Final Assault
Completing the Imperial City storyline (1 Skill Point)
- Storyline not started yet, thus no skill points earned.
• Quest, The Sublime Brazier, not completed.
Completing the Reforging Orsinium storyline (3 Skill Points)
- Storyline not started yet, thus no skill points earned.
• Quest, A King-Sized Problem, not completed.
• Quest, The Anger of a King, not completed.
• Quest, Blood on a King’s Hands, not completed.
Reading the Folium Discognitum (Optional quest reward from Mages Guild quest chain) (2 Skill Points)
- Read the Folium Discognitum during the quest, The Mad God’s Bargain.
Completing the primary quest chain of the Thieves Guild storyline (6 Skill Points)
- Storyline not started yet, thus no skill points earned.
• Quest, Partners in Crime, not completed.
• Quest, Cleaning House, not completed.
• Quest, The Long Game, not completed.
• Quest, A Flawless Plan, not completed.
• Quest, Forever Hold Your Peace, not completed.
• Quest, Prison Break, not completed.
Completing the primary quest chain of the Dark Brotherhood storyline (8 Skill Points)
- Storyline started, but not completed. Have earned 3 skill points thus far for this storyline.
• Quest, Signed in Blood, completed.
• Quest, A Lesson in Silence, completed.
• Quest, Questions of Faith, completed.
• Quest, A Special Request, not completed.
• Quest, Dark Revelations, not completed.
• Quest, A Ghost from the Past, not completed.
• Quest, The Wrath of Sithis, not completed.
• Quest, Filling the Void, not completed.
Absorbing skyshards (127 Skill Points)
- As of the DB update on Xbox, v1.4.0.0, there are 381 skyshards (or 127 skill points) to be found. I've found 340 skyshards (or 113 full skill points). I am missing all of the skyshards in Imperial City (13), Wrothgar (17), and the Gold Coast (6). I have found 1 skyshard in Hew’s Bane, but I’m stilling missing (5).
Ranking up in the Alliance War (50 Skill Points)
- I am Alliance War rank 6, Tyro Grade 2. (6) PVP ranks = 6 skill points.
Completing group challenges in public dungeons (18 Skill Points)
- I have completed 17/18 of the public dungeon group challenges. I am missing Rkindaleft in Wrothgar.
Completing group dungeons (16 Skill Points)
- All group dungeons completed.
• Quest, Banishing the Banished, completed.
• Quest, Deadly Whispers, completed.
• Quest, Kings of the Grotto, completed.
• Quest, Ancient Remains, completed.
• Quest, Deception in the Dark, completed.
• Quest, Mine All Mine, completed.
• Quest, Razor’s Edge, completed.
• Quest, Lover’s Torment, completed.
• Quest, Force of Nature, completed.
• Quest, Eye of the Storm, completed.
• Quest, Blood and Sand, completed.
• Quest, Nobles’ Rest, completed.
• Quest, Knowledge Gained, completed.
• Quest, Jumping Ship, completed.
• Quest, Fires of Battle, completed.
• Quest, Mind of Madness, completed.
Completing Veteran dungeons (8 Skill Points)
- All veteran dungeons completed.
• Quest, The Plan, completed.
• Quest, Blood Relations, completed.
• Quest, Lighting the Shadows, completed.
• Quest, Consuming Darkness, completed.
• Quest, No Second Chances, completed.
• Quest, What Was Lost, completed.
• Quest, Edge of Darkness, completed.
• Quest, Return to Ash, completed.
Completing Imperial City dungeons (2 Skill Points)
- Neither WGT or ICP have been completed, thus no skill points earned for these activities.
• Quest, Planemeld Obverse, not completed.
• Quest, Summary Execution, not completed.
Completing Orsinium Maelstrom Arena (1 Skill Point)
- Activity not started, thus no skill points earned.
• Quest, Maelstrom Arena, not completed.
Based on what I have and haven't done from the above list from UESP.net, I *should* have 289 skill points, but in reality I have 288. Please someone from ZOS help me!
Edited by tke376 on June 29, 2016 12:48AM My main on Xbox NA has 288 skill points after visiting the rededication shrine. Based on the sources of skill points found here: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Skills#Earning_Skill_Points and knowing what I have and haven't done yet in the game that yields a skill point, I feel I should have 289 skill points. I’ve checked my achievements, Cadwell’s Almanac, my map, and even retraced my steps to see if I missed a quest giver… and I can’t for the life of me figure out where I am missing the skill point from. I have contacted support in regard to this issue (and at that time I had 287 skill points after visiting a rededication shrine, when I felt I should have 288 – I have since earned 1 skill point from PvP) and they finally said to post “details about this issue on the forums.” So that’s what I’m doing.
Support’s initial advice was to:
“First, double check that you have not put the point into a skill already. If you still believe you are missing skill points, you can visit a shrine of Stendarr to respec your character and their skills points. This will grant you all the points you have earned so far, and you will be able to reallocate them as you see fit.”
I responded with:
“As I stated in my original email: after visiting a Shrine of Stendarr it refunds me 287 skill points; however, I think that I’ve earned 288 skill points based on the quests and activities that yield skill points. Please refer to my original e-mail where I go into great detail about the sources of skill points and what I have and haven’t done off of that list. Please either add the missing skill point, or in the case that my list and what I think I’ve already done is incorrect, point me in the right direction of what quest I am missing so I can get that skill point. Thank you.”
They responded with:
“We have exhausted all of our standard trouble shooting methods. This has been escalated to a specialized team for further investigation.”
Two days later I receive another email telling me to perform a soft reset and to delete my game’s saved data. I try that, but am still missing the skill point. I respond with:
“I have tried both doing a soft reset and deleting my game’s save data, and I still believe I am missing a skill point. I do have 288 skill points after visiting a rededication shrine now, but only because I have earned a skill point in PVP since I sent my original support email (I am now PVP rank 6, Tyro Rank 2). I believe I should have a total of 289 skill points, but I’m only showing 288. I wish you guys would go through my original support email where I provided a very detailed list of the quests and activities that provide skill points and what of those I believe I have done. I have tried to the best of my ability to confirm that I have completed those quests and activities by checking my achievements and maps, and as far as I can tell, I have. Please refer to my original email and list, and please help me locate my missing skill point. Thank you.”
The most recent mail from support is now telling me to file a bug report:
“Please try submitting a bug report so that the Development Team can review the issue further. You can do so by posting details about this issue on the forums.”
At this point I am very frustrated. I feel like support didn’t even bother to read my message in its entirety or make an effort to see where I was missing a skill point from. Instead, they issue some standard, but inadequate, troubleshooting steps for the situation, and then pass the buck to filing a bug report. Below is a list of the sources of skill points in the game and what I have and haven’t done from the list. Hopefully someone from ZOS will see this message and can provide better customer service than I have had up to this point, and help me figure out where the missing skill point is!
SOURCES OF SKILL POINTS
Leveling your character, up to level 50 (64 Skill Points)
- My character is level 50.
Completing quests in the main quest (11 Skill Points)
- Main questline completed.
• Soul Shriven in Coldharbour
• The Harborage
• Daughter of Giants
• Chasing Shadows
• Castle of the Worm
• The Tharn Speaks
• Halls of Torment
• Valley of Blades
• The Shadow of Sancre Tor
• Council of the Five Companions
• The God of Schemes
Completing quest chains in the Dominion, Covenant, Pact, and Coldharbour main storylines (49 Skill Points)
- All zone quests completed.
Aldmeri Dominion (15)
Auridon (3):
• Rites of the Queen
• The Veil Falls
• Sever All Ties
Grahtwood (3):
• The Grip of Madness
• Heart of the Matter
• A Lasting Winter
Greenshade (3):
• Throne of the Wilderking
• Pelidil's End
• Striking at the Heart
Malabal Tor (3):
• Reap What Is Sown
• Restore the Silvenar
• Buyer Beware (Note: According to UESP, this quest is actually a “side quest” and not part of the zone main story questline)
Reaper’s March (3):
• The First Step
• Motes in the Moonlight
• The Den of Lorkhaj
Daggerfall Covenant (16)
Glenumbra (4):
• Bloodthorn Assassins
• Purifying the Wyrd Tree
• The Fall of Faolchu
• Angof the Gravesinger
Stormhaven (3):
• Sir Hughes’ Fate
• The Return of the Dream Shard
• Vaermina’s Gambit
Rivenspire (3):
• The Blood-Splattered Shield
• The Liberation of Northpoint
• The Lightless Remnant
Alik’r Desert (3):
• A Reckoning with Uwafa
• Alasan’s Plot
• Amputating the Hand
Bangkorai (3):
• The Parley
• Storming the Garrison
• To Walk on Far Shores
Ebonheart Pact (15)
Stonefalls (3):
• The Death of Balreth
• The General’s Demise
• Sadal's Final Defeat
Deshaan (3):
• Plague Bringer
• The Seal of Three
• The Judgement of Veloth
Shadowfen (3):
• The Skin Stealer’s Lair
• Keepers of the Shell
• The Dream of the Hist
Eastmarch (3):
• One Victor, One King
• Eternal Slumber
• Songs of Sovngarde
The Rift (3):
• Through the Shroud
• Shattered Hopes
• Stomping Sinmur
Coldharbour (3):
• Light from the Darkness
• Breaking the Shackle
• The Final Assault
Completing the Imperial City storyline (1 Skill Point)
- Storyline not started yet, thus no skill points earned.
• Quest, The Sublime Brazier, not completed.
Completing the Reforging Orsinium storyline (3 Skill Points)
- Storyline not started yet, thus no skill points earned.
• Quest, A King-Sized Problem, not completed.
• Quest, The Anger of a King, not completed.
• Quest, Blood on a King’s Hands, not completed.
Reading the Folium Discognitum (Optional quest reward from Mages Guild quest chain) (2 Skill Points)
- Read the Folium Discognitum during the quest, The Mad God’s Bargain.
Completing the primary quest chain of the Thieves Guild storyline (6 Skill Points)
- Storyline not started yet, thus no skill points earned.
• Quest, Partners in Crime, not completed.
• Quest, Cleaning House, not completed.
• Quest, The Long Game, not completed.
• Quest, A Flawless Plan, not completed.
• Quest, Forever Hold Your Peace, not completed.
• Quest, Prison Break, not completed.
Completing the primary quest chain of the Dark Brotherhood storyline (8 Skill Points)
- Storyline started, but not completed. Have earned 3 skill points thus far for this storyline.
• Quest, Signed in Blood, completed.
• Quest, A Lesson in Silence, completed.
• Quest, Questions of Faith, completed.
• Quest, A Special Request, not completed.
• Quest, Dark Revelations, not completed.
• Quest, A Ghost from the Past, not completed.
• Quest, The Wrath of Sithis, not completed.
• Quest, Filling the Void, not completed.
Absorbing skyshards (127 Skill Points)
- As of the DB update on Xbox, v1.4.0.0, there are 381 skyshards (or 127 skill points) to be found. I've found 340 skyshards (or 113 full skill points). I am missing all of the skyshards in Imperial City (13), Wrothgar (17), and the Gold Coast (6). I have found 1 skyshard in Hew’s Bane, but I’m stilling missing (5).
Ranking up in the Alliance War (50 Skill Points)
- I am Alliance War rank 6, Tyro Grade 2. (6) PVP ranks = 6 skill points.
Completing group challenges in public dungeons (18 Skill Points)
- I have completed 17/18 of the public dungeon group challenges. I am missing Rkindaleft in Wrothgar.
Completing group dungeons (16 Skill Points)
- All group dungeons completed.
• Quest, Banishing the Banished, completed.
• Quest, Deadly Whispers, completed.
• Quest, Kings of the Grotto, completed.
• Quest, Ancient Remains, completed.
• Quest, Deception in the Dark, completed.
• Quest, Mine All Mine, completed.
• Quest, Razor’s Edge, completed.
• Quest, Lover’s Torment, completed.
• Quest, Force of Nature, completed.
• Quest, Eye of the Storm, completed.
• Quest, Blood and Sand, completed.
• Quest, Nobles’ Rest, completed.
• Quest, Knowledge Gained, completed.
• Quest, Jumping Ship, completed.
• Quest, Fires of Battle, completed.
• Quest, Mind of Madness, completed.
Completing Veteran dungeons (8 Skill Points)
- All veteran dungeons completed.
• Quest, The Plan, completed.
• Quest, Blood Relations, completed.
• Quest, Lighting the Shadows, completed.
• Quest, Consuming Darkness, completed.
• Quest, No Second Chances, completed.
• Quest, What Was Lost, completed.
• Quest, Edge of Darkness, completed.
• Quest, Return to Ash, completed.
Completing Imperial City dungeons (2 Skill Points)
- Neither WGT or ICP have been completed, thus no skill points earned for these activities.
• Quest, Planemeld Obverse, not completed.
• Quest, Summary Execution, not completed.
Completing Orsinium Maelstrom Arena (1 Skill Point)
- Activity not started, thus no skill points earned.
• Quest, Maelstrom Arena, not completed.
Based on what I have and haven't done from the above list from UESP.net, I *should* have 289 skill points, but in reality I have 288. Please someone from ZOS help me!
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✭✭✭✭✭Wait, does Glenumbra award 4 sp? Somehow I thought it only gave 3, like every other zone in the game.1 -
tke376✭As always, the first question is...did you save Valaste?
No, I did not save Valaste. I gave her to Uncle Sheo. Since I am only missing 1 skill point, saving Valaste cannot be the culprit as if you do save her you don't get any skill points at all, but instead get the Spellbreaker Staff. If Sheo takes her to the Shivering Isles, you gain two skill points.Edited by tke376 on June 29, 2016 12:53AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Wait, does Glenumbra award 4 sp? Somehow I thought it only gave 3, like every other zone in the game.
It shouldn't, every zone is 3 from quests. Maybe that's where his "missing" skill point is? The easy way to test this is start a new character since its a starter zone, then count them as you go along.1 -
Tekyn✭✭✭As always, the first question is...did you save Valaste?
No, I did not save Valaste. I gave her to Uncle Sheo. Since I am only missing 1 skill point, saving Valaste cannot be the culprit as if you do save her you don't get any skill points at all, but instead get the Spellbreaker Staff. If Sheo takes her to the Shivering Isles, you gain two skill points.
You still get a skill point if you save her. I've done it.-- Khajiit like to sneak --0 -
tke376✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Wait, does Glenumbra award 4 sp? Somehow I thought it only gave 3, like every other zone in the game.
It shouldn't, every zone is 3 from quests. Maybe that's where his "missing" skill point is? The easy way to test this is start a new character since its a starter zone, then count them as you go along.
According to the list on UESP.net, there are 49 skill points to be had from the storyline zone quests. 15 from AD + 16 from DC + 15 from EP + 3 from Coldharbour = 49 skill points. Now I don't know whether or not the list from UESP.net is correct, but I've seen other discussions about the number of skill points (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1426790/#Comment_1426790), and 49 seems to be correct, at least as far as the zone quests are concerned. @Enodoc confirmed this in that post. Now @Enodoc *could* be wrong, as UESP could be, but 49 from zone quests seems to be the generally accepted number.Edited by tke376 on June 29, 2016 8:29AM0 -
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✭As always, the first question is...did you save Valaste?Reading the Folium Discognitum (Optional quest reward from Mages Guild quest chain) (2 Skill Points)
- Read the Folium Discognitum during the quest, The Mad God’s Bargain
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tke376✭starkerealm wrote: »Wait, does Glenumbra award 4 sp? Somehow I thought it only gave 3, like every other zone in the game.
Glenumbra does indeed grant 4 skill points from the zone story quests.
Bloodthorn Assassins: imgur.com/IIj1rOM
Purifying the Wyrd Tree: imgur.com/6WJG5J5
The Fall of Faolchu: imgur.com/tQ14rqB
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tke376✭As always, the first question is...did you save Valaste?
No, I did not save Valaste. I gave her to Uncle Sheo. Since I am only missing 1 skill point, saving Valaste cannot be the culprit as if you do save her you don't get any skill points at all, but instead get the Spellbreaker Staff. If Sheo takes her to the Shivering Isles, you gain two skill points.
You still get a skill point if you save her. I've done it.
I hate to say it, but you're remembering wrong. You get nothing for saving Valaste at the end of the "Mad God's Bargain" quest except her thanks and the Spellbreaker Staff: imgur.com/gfOS7SQ
The only way you get ANY skill points from the Mage's Guild questline is to give Valaste to Sheogorath. In return, you get the Folium Discognitum. When read, this book gives you (2) skill points.
And just to end discussion before it starts, you don't get a skill point either for the next and final quest Shalidor gives you, "The Arch-Mage's Boon", regardless of your choice in the "Mad God's Bargain"... just the gift of eidetic memory: imgur.com/oNVR8y7Edited by tke376 on June 29, 2016 7:59AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have a theory that I haven't yet been able to test, but it's something you could add to your support ticket for ZOS to look into.
It's possible that at least one of the three endings for the final Main Quest "God of Schemes" is bugged, and does not give a skill point, whereas the other two do. Specifically, based on the page history, I believe sacrificing Varen may not give a skill point, while at least one of the others does.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭✭✭✭✭I have a theory that I haven't yet been able to test, but it's something you could add to your support ticket for ZOS to look into.
It's possible that at least one of the three endings for the final Main Quest "God of Schemes" is bugged, and does not give a skill point, whereas the other two do. Specifically, based on the page history, I believe sacrificing Varen may not give a skill point, while at least one of the others does.
It this true?!? I have never noticed but I usually always sacrifice Varen... I'd expect you'd get a skill point no matter WHO you selected since the conclusion of each main quest always granted a SP.Edited by ADarklore on June 29, 2016 11:42AMCP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****0 -
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Quite. Which is why it must be a bug. I've managed to find some videos from 2014 which illustrate this theory:
It this true?!? I have never noticed but I usually always sacrifice Varen... I'd expect you'd get a skill point no matter WHO you selected since the conclusion of each main quest always granted a SP.I have a theory that I haven't yet been able to test, but it's something you could add to your support ticket for ZOS to look into.
It's possible that at least one of the three endings for the final Main Quest "God of Schemes" is bugged, and does not give a skill point, whereas the other two do. Specifically, based on the page history, I believe sacrificing Varen may not give a skill point, while at least one of the others does.
Lyris sacrificed: https://youtu.be/5ua_H3qpzIA?t=40m48s 1 Skill Point
Sai sacrificed: https://youtu.be/IsAeONy7YxM?t=31m58s No Skill Point
Varen sacrificed: https://youtu.be/gaI8uGuQYwY?t=34m45s No Skill Point
They may have since fixed it (2015 and 2016 videos):
Sai sacrificed: https://youtu.be/pENp4rsJCVI?t=35m53s 1 Skill Point
Varen sacrificed: https://youtu.be/QuGo_wBo4Zs?t=12m54s 1 Skill Point
But even if they fixed it, maybe they forgot to retroactively add the missing point to those who had already completed that quest?UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭Just throwing this link in here to reference the other thread where this has been discussed.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/250520/one-missing-skill-point
That, is an interesting theory. Next time I complete the main quest on one of my alts, I'll sacrifice Varen and see if I get the skill point. Might be a while though... after getting 3 characters through the MQ, I'm in no rush to do the fourth...I have a theory that I haven't yet been able to test, but it's something you could add to your support ticket for ZOS to look into.
It's possible that at least one of the three endings for the final Main Quest "God of Schemes" is bugged, and does not give a skill point, whereas the other two do. Specifically, based on the page history, I believe sacrificing Varen may not give a skill point, while at least one of the others does.
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Quite. Which is why it must be a bug. I've managed to find some videos from 2014 which illustrate this theory:
It this true?!? I have never noticed but I usually always sacrifice Varen... I'd expect you'd get a skill point no matter WHO you selected since the conclusion of each main quest always granted a SP.I have a theory that I haven't yet been able to test, but it's something you could add to your support ticket for ZOS to look into.
It's possible that at least one of the three endings for the final Main Quest "God of Schemes" is bugged, and does not give a skill point, whereas the other two do. Specifically, based on the page history, I believe sacrificing Varen may not give a skill point, while at least one of the others does.
Lyris sacrificed: https://youtu.be/5ua_H3qpzIA?t=40m48s 1 Skill Point
Sai sacrificed: https://youtu.be/IsAeONy7YxM?t=31m58s No Skill Point
Varen sacrificed: https://youtu.be/gaI8uGuQYwY?t=34m45s No Skill Point
They may have since fixed it (2015 and 2016 videos):
Sai sacrificed: https://youtu.be/pENp4rsJCVI?t=35m53s 1 Skill Point
Varen sacrificed: https://youtu.be/QuGo_wBo4Zs?t=12m54s 1 Skill Point
But even if they fixed it, maybe they forgot to retroactively add the missing point to those who had already completed that quest?
That's a very interesting theory. I did complete the main quest around June 2014. I "think" I sacrificed Sai, but two years removed, I can't really remember. Thanks for sharing your theory with us @Enodoc
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Quite. Which is why it must be a bug. I've managed to find some videos from 2014 which illustrate this theory:
It this true?!? I have never noticed but I usually always sacrifice Varen... I'd expect you'd get a skill point no matter WHO you selected since the conclusion of each main quest always granted a SP.I have a theory that I haven't yet been able to test, but it's something you could add to your support ticket for ZOS to look into.
It's possible that at least one of the three endings for the final Main Quest "God of Schemes" is bugged, and does not give a skill point, whereas the other two do. Specifically, based on the page history, I believe sacrificing Varen may not give a skill point, while at least one of the others does.
Lyris sacrificed: https://youtu.be/5ua_H3qpzIA?t=40m48s 1 Skill Point
Sai sacrificed: https://youtu.be/IsAeONy7YxM?t=31m58s No Skill Point
Varen sacrificed: https://youtu.be/gaI8uGuQYwY?t=34m45s No Skill Point
They may have since fixed it (2015 and 2016 videos):
Sai sacrificed: https://youtu.be/pENp4rsJCVI?t=35m53s 1 Skill Point
Varen sacrificed: https://youtu.be/QuGo_wBo4Zs?t=12m54s 1 Skill Point
But even if they fixed it, maybe they forgot to retroactively add the missing point to those who had already completed that quest?
It's also worth remembering that, for a long time, dungeon completion quests were intermittently not awarding skill points. As I recall, those points were not properly awarded retroactively after the bugs were fixed. Depending on @tke376 's dungeon delving habits, it's possible they completed one of those quests, did not get the skillpoint, and was never compensated for it.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have a theory that I haven't yet been able to test, but it's something you could add to your support ticket for ZOS to look into.
It's possible that at least one of the three endings for the final Main Quest "God of Schemes" is bugged, and does not give a skill point, whereas the other two do. Specifically, based on the page history, I believe sacrificing Varen may not give a skill point, while at least one of the others does.
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Good News, I am taking an CP160 through the MQ as I ignored it completely up until this last weekend. I always sacrifice the profit as I want to see the kids Sia and Lyris produce. One of them could be an entire NFL Offensive Line...
Anyway, I am not sure if I will get to it tonight or sometime this weekend, but I will let you know.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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tke376✭starkerealm wrote: »
Quite. Which is why it must be a bug. I've managed to find some videos from 2014 which illustrate this theory:
It this true?!? I have never noticed but I usually always sacrifice Varen... I'd expect you'd get a skill point no matter WHO you selected since the conclusion of each main quest always granted a SP.I have a theory that I haven't yet been able to test, but it's something you could add to your support ticket for ZOS to look into.
It's possible that at least one of the three endings for the final Main Quest "God of Schemes" is bugged, and does not give a skill point, whereas the other two do. Specifically, based on the page history, I believe sacrificing Varen may not give a skill point, while at least one of the others does.
Lyris sacrificed: https://youtu.be/5ua_H3qpzIA?t=40m48s 1 Skill Point
Sai sacrificed: https://youtu.be/IsAeONy7YxM?t=31m58s No Skill Point
Varen sacrificed: https://youtu.be/gaI8uGuQYwY?t=34m45s No Skill Point
They may have since fixed it (2015 and 2016 videos):
Sai sacrificed: https://youtu.be/pENp4rsJCVI?t=35m53s 1 Skill Point
Varen sacrificed: https://youtu.be/QuGo_wBo4Zs?t=12m54s 1 Skill Point
But even if they fixed it, maybe they forgot to retroactively add the missing point to those who had already completed that quest?
It's also worth remembering that, for a long time, dungeon completion quests were intermittently not awarding skill points. As I recall, those points were not properly awarded retroactively after the bugs were fixed. Depending on @tke376 's dungeon delving habits, it's possible they completed one of those quests, did not get the skillpoint, and was never compensated for it.
I wasn't aware that dungeon completion quests were, at one time, not awarding skill points consistently. I guess I wasn't paying attention to the forums and stuff back when the game launched. Was too busy playing.
I completed all of the DC group dungeons in June/July 2014. The AD and EP group dungeons were completed by late August 2014. The veteran dungeons, Wayrest / Spindle / Banished / Fungal, were completed in July/August 2014. Crypt / Darkshade / Elden / CoA were completed by mid-December 2014.
So... depending on when they fixed the issue, I suppose it's possible. Thanks for bringing this up. It's something to consider.0 -
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✭@tke376 , there was definitely problems with skill points not being given within the first year of launch (been fixed now) but it affected group dungeons as well as public dungeon group events (vile manse was one of those affected). So possibly one of those achievements that you thought you 'completed and received skill point' for, didn't actually register. Only ZoS can investigate this.
As an aside, I had similar problems before, and it took a little more than a year to solve it for my case (sent ticket Oct 2014, resolved Dec 2015 - I have kept these correspondences for reference really).
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@TheDarkoil Do you remember when that was?TheDarkoil wrote: »I sacrificed Varen and definitely got a skill point on PC.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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@TheDarkoil Do you remember when that was?TheDarkoil wrote: »I sacrificed Varen and definitely got a skill point on PC.
Yesterday
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Just did the God of Schemes quest this morning, sacrificed the old guy and got my Skill Point.
Also, just in case you were wondering, I had done the MQ's for each of the zones, basically Silver and Gold Almanac stuff prior to this fight. The only hitch in the process was the game told me to talk to Caldwell, but I had to leave the Harborage and come back in to turn in Silver, but Gold I could turn in right away without leaving.
So, now I have a complete set of MQ Jewelery and Weapon at CP160Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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Regarding the possible missing skillpoints when sacrificing Varen, as mentioned before, it's possible that it used to be broken and was then later fixed, and the previously missing skillpoints (on players that completed the quests back when it was still broken) were never retroactively awarded.
If so, I'm not sure how that can be proven...
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Ah. Fair dosTheDarkoil wrote: »
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@TheDarkoil Do you remember when that was?TheDarkoil wrote: »I sacrificed Varen and definitely got a skill point on PC.
Yeah I'm thinking maybe this is quite likely. It definitely seems to be working now, but as shown in the videos I posted above, it wasn't working for all of them initially.Regarding the possible missing skillpoints when sacrificing Varen, as mentioned before, it's possible that it used to be broken and was then later fixed, and the previously missing skillpoints (on players that completed the quests back when it was still broken) were never retroactively awarded.
If so, I'm not sure how that can be proven...
Regarding retroactive awarding, that should be something ZOS can do if they didn't before (I think it's quite likely that they didn't before), as ZOS know both what the sources of skill points are, and whether any particular character has done that activity. If the total number of skill points the character has doesn't match the total number of skill points that should have been awarded based on activities completed, they just need to dish out the difference. It doesn't even really matter which ones didn't work, as the total number is the important thing.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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tke376✭Regarding retroactive awarding, that should be something ZOS can do if they didn't before (I think it's quite likely that they didn't before), as ZOS know both what the sources of skill points are, and whether any particular character has done that activity. If the total number of skill points the character has doesn't match the total number of skill points that should have been awarded based on activities completed, they just need to dish out the difference. It doesn't even really matter which ones didn't work, as the total number is the important thing.
I'm sure someone at ZOS knows this, but apparently the people working in customer support for them do not. If they did, I would have received more than to make sure the skill point wasn't spent already, visit a rededication shrine, or to clear my saved data. From the correspondence I received from them, I get absolutely no indication that they bothered to actually go through my list and investigate whether or not the total skill points on my character matched the total number of skill points that should have been awarded based on activities completed. Instead, they tell me to file a bug report and then they go ahead and close my ticket like they've actually resolved something. And then I get a survey to rate their customer service! Thanks. I wish someone from ZOS who reads these forums would look into this, but I'm not holding my breath. Unfortunately, I don't know who from ZOS to tag to get their attention. Maybe, @ZOS_MollyH or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ?
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