If There is No Gold for Barber Option...

Lysette

Rainteal wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

I can't believe people are defending this anti-consumer gouging.

I tend to support ZoS generating revenue through non-pay-to-win sales. That revenue both pays the electric bills for servers and keeps a paycheck coming for the good folks that produce and support the game that I enjoy spending my time playing. I like to see people keep their jobs, and I like to see fun MMOs stay strongly supported into the future.

Well and what about those people, who gave the money to create the game in the first place - the investors. They expect at least 12%p.a. to not be worse off than with much less risky investments plus their money back in a reasonable amount of time - this all has to be earned from running the game - it is not just staff and server maintenance and offices and stuff.

CromulentForumID

razzle1184kicks wrote: »

Agree with paying, like they need to cover the cost of implementing it right?

Or as mentioned I could just create a new character for free.

I would be much more OK with that reasoning if they actually added locations and NPCs to the game world. The current implementation doesn't seem to support the need for a crowns-only implementation.

I could very well be wrong, I'll admit. Someone who knows game development would need to weigh in. Does the kind of interface development needed to implement the feature as it is now actually cost more, or at least as much as, adding locations and NPCs to the game world?

Count me on the side of those who think options available in the base game should cost in-game gold, and then any new or premium options should cost crowns.

Name change and race change I believe should cost crowns, and more than just a couple.

Slurg

I'm happy to pay crowns for new features that I want. The developers need to be paid of course. They can earn my money by making new things. But asking us to pay crowns for old styles that have been in the game since launch? That's greedy and it makes me not want to buy any of it. But clearly the fanboy supporters of this idea will pay for any old recycled content so they'll just keep doing this kind of thing.

Lysette

CromulentForumID wrote: »

razzle1184kicks wrote: »

Agree with paying, like they need to cover the cost of implementing it right?

Or as mentioned I could just create a new character for free.

I would be much more OK with that reasoning if they actually added locations and NPCs to the game world. The current implementation doesn't seem to support the need for a crowns-only implementation.

I could very well be wrong, I'll admit. Someone who knows game development would need to weigh in. Does the kind of interface development needed to implement the feature as it is now actually cost more, or at least as much as, adding locations and NPCs to the game world?

Count me on the side of those who think options available in the base game should cost in-game gold, and then any new or premium options should cost crowns.

Name change and race change I believe should cost crowns, and more than just a couple.

Name change? - what is basically just a data-base query if that name is already in existence or not?- Now give me a break.

Rainteal

Lysette wrote: »

Rainteal wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

I can't believe people are defending this anti-consumer gouging.

I tend to support ZoS generating revenue through non-pay-to-win sales. That revenue both pays the electric bills for servers and keeps a paycheck coming for the good folks that produce and support the game that I enjoy spending my time playing. I like to see people keep their jobs, and I like to see fun MMOs stay strongly supported into the future.

Well and what about those people, who gave the money to create the game in the first place - the investors. They expect at least 12%p.a. to not be worse off than with much less risky investments plus their money back in a reasonable amount of time - this all has to be earned from running the game - it is not just staff and server maintenance and offices and stuff.

This is a very important group to satisfy as well, because if games are not profitable investments, the "evil greedy people" with the money to lend/invest will not do so in the future. I usually leave this out of general discussion on game forums because it leads to folks attacking "the evil corporate machines" that they tend not to realize are the very entities with the millions of dollars needed to make awesome video games and that are accountable to shareholders, but I digress...

CromulentForumID

Lysette wrote: »

CromulentForumID wrote: »

razzle1184kicks wrote: »

Agree with paying, like they need to cover the cost of implementing it right?

Or as mentioned I could just create a new character for free.

I would be much more OK with that reasoning if they actually added locations and NPCs to the game world. The current implementation doesn't seem to support the need for a crowns-only implementation.

I could very well be wrong, I'll admit. Someone who knows game development would need to weigh in. Does the kind of interface development needed to implement the feature as it is now actually cost more, or at least as much as, adding locations and NPCs to the game world?

Count me on the side of those who think options available in the base game should cost in-game gold, and then any new or premium options should cost crowns.

Name change and race change I believe should cost crowns, and more than just a couple.

Name change? - what is basically just a data-base query if that name is already in existence or not?- Now give me a break.

A character name is an identifying feature. A player could do all sorts of griefing or trolling, then use a name change to try to avoid the reprisal. Increasing the cost a bit prevents this from being "too easy" of a tactic.

I am not sure how visible the account names are on PC, so maybe this is moot. I know on console you only get an account name unless you change some of the recent settings.

Character name changes costing more is a lot more about player behavior than it is about the development cost. Plus, names are probably tied to more account and character attributes, so it's not just a query. For example, if there are any leaderboard displays that show a character name, those displays need to be updated when the name changes. I never look at leaderboards, so it's possible that is a bad example. But the point remains, it's more than just looking up to see if the name already exists.

Conquistador

When I played WoW, they had a barbershop and it cost in-game gold

Tandor

Conquistador wrote: »

When I played WoW, they had a barbershop and it cost in-game gold

Oh well that's it then, end of discussion. Next thread please.

vamp_emily

I hope this so call barbershop.. is not something you pay for a 1 time change.

I would like things to be unlocked. For example if I pay for hairstyle 1, and hairstyle 2, then those hairstyles become unlocked and I can change my hair when I want too.

ShedsHisTail

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Overall there is way too much monetizing because even with an active sub, they've positioned the game to triple in cost for normal play for anything cosmetic, most of which is real money exclusive.

Spending twice as much on cosmetics as you do to play the game with a subscription is by no means "normal play."

ShedsHisTail

Conquistador wrote: »

When I played WoW, they had a barbershop and it cost in-game gold

WoW... Isn't that the game with the mandatory subscription?

ShedsHisTail

vamp_emily wrote: »

I hope this so call barbershop.. is not something you pay for a 1 time change.

I would like things to be unlocked. For example if I pay for hairstyle 1, and hairstyle 2, then those hairstyles become unlocked and I can change my hair when I want too.

Yeah, when you buy a hair style or adornment in the Crown store, it's unlocked on your account and can be used on any character at any time; like a costume.

Silver_Strider

I'm just worried about what this will result in.
Barbershop is a basic MMO feature and it's being placed behind a paywall. What's to stop ZOS from implementing other paywall for other features common in MMOs?

What if Transmogrification goes into the crown store? That's a purely cosmetic feature of MMOs. Are we saying we are ok with that being behind a paywall?

What about Player Housing? What if it costs crowns to purchase a house instead of in game gold?

Where exactly is the limit before we decide we've had enough?

ShedsHisTail

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Barbershop is a basic MMO feature

Based on what?
What is the standard for a "Basic MMO feature?"

Can we make a list?

Sallington

Tying the Barbershop to the crown store? WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING????!!!!

Moonscythe

I have no problem with any new cosmetics being crown store and I certainly think that race change and even name change should be behind a paywall but I am still disappointed that basic changes won't be for game gold. Of course we can make new characters but we then have to level them all over again which gets boring after a while. But what about those who have created a character who looked great in the creation screen but once out in the real world has "issues"?

I still have the first character I created 2 years ago while still on the Mac. She holds the maps I can't use yet and mats I can't use yet (because I am a slow player) but I can't let her out in the world. She looked grand in the creation screen, womanly but not "ample" at all. In real game clothing of any sort, not just costumes but armor, her boobs and butt grew at least two sizes. Her tassets stuck out back like a tail and when I saw her in Orc light with boobs like watermelons, I put her away and made a new character. I have a Bosmer who looks scowly because I did not notice that the age bar was not at youngest where I prefer it because the resolution on the old Mac had to be lowered just to play. Even more current characters could use a bit of body tweaking and a few could lose some adornments I'm tired of.
Hair colour, even if I can't get anything new, is still something I would like to change occasionally. I don't like to show a helmet.

Everything in the character creation screen looks different out in the light of game day and a basic redo should be available at least once; if not free then for a nominal game price. After once, game gold should still be able to buy a minor change in adornment or hair colour just for kicks. What about people who just can't afford the continual call to buy crowns with scarce money? Are they to be penalized because of that?

I'm just disappointed and asking for a little fairness for everyone.

MornaBaine

The new hairstyles are pretty uniformly awful. I'll only be using ONE of the new one each for male and female and they are really only "meh" not anything special. Here's some of what you get to look forward to.

Niastissa

The barber features are being tested in the crown store but what if they are in the background still working on an in game barber feature. This seems like it would go hand in hand with the dyes and included in the subscription.

If you don't have a subscription at least it looks like it will be available in the Crown store too. That is better then the crafting bag being locked out of the crown store entirely.

jkolb2030

I think you guys are missing the point on the "paying for original hairstyles".. They are offering you a pack of EVERY hair style to use WHENEVER you want, as it will work like a costume in your in-game inventory...

So you're paying for them if you want ot change them whenever you want as often as you want without having to keep purchase appearance change tokens..

Or you can reroll for free... there is no issue to be screaming about this..

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

Rainteal wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

I can't believe people are defending this anti-consumer gouging.

I tend to support ZoS generating revenue through non-pay-to-win sales. That revenue both pays the electric bills for servers and keeps a paycheck coming for the good folks that produce and support the game that I enjoy spending my time playing. I like to see people keep their jobs, and I like to see fun MMOs stay strongly supported into the future.

Hey, if you can point me to a fun MMO these days, feel free to do so as ESO lost all it's fun with it's constant nerfing all the time.

CokeVoAYCE

MornaBaine wrote: »

The new hairstyles are pretty uniformly awful. I'll only be using ONE of the new one each for male and female and they are really only "meh" not anything special. Here's some of what you get to look forward to.

WTF. i didn't know there were emos in ESO.

kevlarto_ESO

Yea the way they did the "Barber Shop" is really kinda lame, no in game location no npc to interact with, it is a sterile transaction, no in game immersion, but I guess it will do the job.

I hope housing is not done the same way because if it is they would have missed huge sandbox element for the game.

The_Great_Maldini

I think that there should be a bunch of the barber shop items available through achievements, which would give people more incentive to do the PvE content that ZOS created, and also provide some value to the achievements system besides dyes. I'm not sure many people are impressed by a high achievement score...

RebornV3x

its going to be crowns hopefully it won't be more than 1000 crowns but knowing ZOS it probably be alot

Rainteal

Ravinsild wrote: »

I can't believe people are defending this anti-consumer gouging.

I tend to support ZoS generating revenue through non-pay-to-win sales. That revenue both pays the electric bills for servers and keeps a paycheck coming for the good folks that produce and support the game that I enjoy spending my time playing. I like to see people keep their jobs, and I like to see fun MMOs stay strongly supported into the future.

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Hey, if you can point me to a fun MMO these days, feel free to do so as ESO lost all it's fun with it's constant nerfing all the time.[/quote]

I know Sorcs got the nerf missile (can't even call it bat), but the game is still fun IMHO. I haven't even logged on to my magicka Sorc since DB, nor will I until some update to the class. I understand your sentiment and your choice not to spend any more money on the game though. Vote with your wallet if you dislike the game as it stands now. With that, I choose to vote the opposite way with my wallet because I do still enjoy ESO.

*Crossing my fingers that your class get some love again at some point in the future*

The_Great_Maldini

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

The new hairstyles are pretty uniformly awful. I'll only be using ONE of the new one each for male and female and they are really only "meh" not anything special. Here's some of what you get to look forward to.

WTF. i didn't know there were emos in ESO.

Emos, Gangstas and Chinese warlords from the 1750s.

Slurg

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Yea the way they did the "Barber Shop" is really kinda lame, no in game location no npc to interact with, it is a sterile transaction, no in game immersion, but I guess it will do the job.

I hope housing is not done the same way because if it is they would have missed huge sandbox element for the game.

This is actually part of why I dislike how they are going about this so much. Back when the concept was introduced it was supposed to be part of the game play, in the world and immersive. It could have been fun, handing over some gold to an NPC in a special salon to try out new 'dos, or even to another player who invested time in a new skill line. What they've actually done is turned it into, as you said, a "sterile transaction". Just hand over cash money and some hairstyles pop out of your menu.

It makes me concerned about what we will get with housing, if cutting corners with this system makes a huge profit. Which it sounds like they will based on some of the responses.

Shadesofkin

Anyone who thought they would be for gold wasn't using their deductive reasoning skills.

Conquistador

MornaBaine wrote: »

The new hairstyles are pretty uniformly awful. I'll only be using ONE of the new one each for male and female and they are really only "meh" not anything special. Here's some of what you get to look forward to.

SO. BAD.

acw37162

If you thought this feature was going to be for in game gold you are suffering from what clinical psychologists would call delusions.