Rename Flame Lash to Lukewarm Noodleslap

Actually_Goku

Dat 3.2k flame lash tho!

But seriously, flame lash needs either a decent buff or to become an execute skill. I've had so many fights recently in PVP that I just can't close out despite being the better player for 80% of the fight, because Mag DK just has no execute.

So either do as title says, or perhaps something along the lines of an extra damage execute on target under 25%, like how every other mana class has.

Plz and thx.

xblackroxe

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Dat 3.2k flame lash tho!

But seriously, flame lash needs either a decent buff or to become an execute skill. I've had so many fights recently in PVP that I just can't close out despite being the better player for 80% of the fight, because Mag DK just has no execute.

So either do as title says, or perhaps something along the lines of an extra damage execute on target under 25%, like how every other mana class has.

Plz and thx.

Come on do you really expect whip to do as much damage as concealed or whatever other ability on a HA DK? Get a setup like a Nightblade then see what Whip does.
Its the strongest magicka spam ability in PvE so change your gear if you don´t want to hit like a noodle.

Sharee

xblackroxe wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Dat 3.2k flame lash tho!

But seriously, flame lash needs either a decent buff or to become an execute skill. I've had so many fights recently in PVP that I just can't close out despite being the better player for 80% of the fight, because Mag DK just has no execute.

So either do as title says, or perhaps something along the lines of an extra damage execute on target under 25%, like how every other mana class has.

Plz and thx.

Come on do you really expect whip to do as much damage as concealed or whatever other ability on a HA DK? Get a setup like a Nightblade then see what Whip does.

Right. And then you'll be the same kind of glass cannot as the nightblade, only without the stealth to help you survive.

xblackroxe

Sharee wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Dat 3.2k flame lash tho!

But seriously, flame lash needs either a decent buff or to become an execute skill. I've had so many fights recently in PVP that I just can't close out despite being the better player for 80% of the fight, because Mag DK just has no execute.

So either do as title says, or perhaps something along the lines of an extra damage execute on target under 25%, like how every other mana class has.

Plz and thx.

Come on do you really expect whip to do as much damage as concealed or whatever other ability on a HA DK? Get a setup like a Nightblade then see what Whip does.

Right. And then you'll be the same kind of glass cannot as the nightblade, only without the stealth to help you survive.

So you should be able to tank 10 guys and still do damage like a NB. Right.

Actually_Goku

xblackroxe wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Dat 3.2k flame lash tho!

But seriously, flame lash needs either a decent buff or to become an execute skill. I've had so many fights recently in PVP that I just can't close out despite being the better player for 80% of the fight, because Mag DK just has no execute.

So either do as title says, or perhaps something along the lines of an extra damage execute on target under 25%, like how every other mana class has.

Plz and thx.

change your gear if you don´t want to hit like a noodle.

That's what she said

xblackroxe

Actually_Goku wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Dat 3.2k flame lash tho!

But seriously, flame lash needs either a decent buff or to become an execute skill. I've had so many fights recently in PVP that I just can't close out despite being the better player for 80% of the fight, because Mag DK just has no execute.

So either do as title says, or perhaps something along the lines of an extra damage execute on target under 25%, like how every other mana class has.

Plz and thx.

change your gear if you don´t want to hit like a noodle.

That's what she said

lol

Nifty2g

xblackroxe wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Dat 3.2k flame lash tho!

But seriously, flame lash needs either a decent buff or to become an execute skill. I've had so many fights recently in PVP that I just can't close out despite being the better player for 80% of the fight, because Mag DK just has no execute.

So either do as title says, or perhaps something along the lines of an extra damage execute on target under 25%, like how every other mana class has.

Plz and thx.

Come on do you really expect whip to do as much damage as concealed or whatever other ability on a HA DK? Get a setup like a Nightblade then see what Whip does.
Its the strongest magicka spam ability in PvE so change your gear if you don´t want to hit like a noodle.

It's because they are all still using flame lash

TheValkyn

Everyone loves a good noodle slap.

Actually_Goku

I'm hoping to open up a discussion as to why Lash is so lacklustre, to the point, whereby I'm having more success spamming Force Shock than using Lukewarm Noodleslap?

Mureel

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Dat 3.2k flame lash tho!

But seriously, flame lash needs either a decent buff or to become an execute skill. I've had so many fights recently in PVP that I just can't close out despite being the better player for 80% of the fight, because Mag DK just has no execute.

So either do as title says, or perhaps something along the lines of an extra damage execute on target under 25%, like how every other mana class has.

Plz and thx.

TITLE is AWESOME! xD

llSRRll

Actually_Goku wrote: »

I'm hoping to open up a discussion as to why Lash is so lacklustre, to the point, whereby I'm having more success spamming Force Shock than using Lukewarm Noodleslap?

Its bc there are already too many great abilities for the DK already, I tear myself apart everyday trying to figure out which ones I want to use.

Actually_Goku

I don't really want to get into a tussle with Magplars, Magblades and Sorcs (RIP) about Wah Wah, change your gear or use more hair gel for L2P - the point is, we have the worst spammable DPS skill when taken into context of other skills we have to run to be viable.

It is 4:12 AM in my country, I will go into greater detail in the morning. However I do hope to wake up to a discussion on everyone's feelings in regards to the slapping of a dragonknight's noodle.

CherryCake

Now I want noodles...

Asgari

Lash just gets hit by too much mitigation through cp, gear, battle spirit. I understand each class has its trade offs but lash needs to do more dmg to players.

Wollust

Nifty2g wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Dat 3.2k flame lash tho!

But seriously, flame lash needs either a decent buff or to become an execute skill. I've had so many fights recently in PVP that I just can't close out despite being the better player for 80% of the fight, because Mag DK just has no execute.

So either do as title says, or perhaps something along the lines of an extra damage execute on target under 25%, like how every other mana class has.

Plz and thx.

Come on do you really expect whip to do as much damage as concealed or whatever other ability on a HA DK? Get a setup like a Nightblade then see what Whip does.
Its the strongest magicka spam ability in PvE so change your gear if you don´t want to hit like a noodle.

It's because they are all still using flame lash

Why wouldn't they use flame lash though?

Eugenstash

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

Now I want noodles...

I switched over to whole wheat noodles and pasta, give it a shot...you wont go back.

xblackroxe

Actually_Goku wrote: »

I don't really want to get into a tussle with Magplars, Magblades and Sorcs (RIP) about Wah Wah, change your gear or use more hair gel for L2P - the point is, we have the worst spammable DPS skill when taken into context of other skills we have to run to be viable.

It is 4:12 AM in my country, I will go into greater detail in the morning. However I do hope to wake up to a discussion on everyone's feelings in regards to the slapping of a dragonknight's noodle.

The problem is not whip man. Whip is the strongest magicka spam ability.

UltimaJoe777

Do NOT underestimate the power of the ramen...

Molag_Crow

I was going to level up my magicka DK but then I found out how flame lash is performing, and that there's no magicka execute, so that has put me off, for now...

leepalmer95

whip needs major fracture, it won't effect pve dps this way either.

Nifty2g

Wollust wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Dat 3.2k flame lash tho!

But seriously, flame lash needs either a decent buff or to become an execute skill. I've had so many fights recently in PVP that I just can't close out despite being the better player for 80% of the fight, because Mag DK just has no execute.

So either do as title says, or perhaps something along the lines of an extra damage execute on target under 25%, like how every other mana class has.

Plz and thx.

Come on do you really expect whip to do as much damage as concealed or whatever other ability on a HA DK? Get a setup like a Nightblade then see what Whip does.
Its the strongest magicka spam ability in PvE so change your gear if you don´t want to hit like a noodle.

It's because they are all still using flame lash

Why wouldn't they use flame lash though?

Read posts above yours

DRXHarbinger

My whip hits for way more than that, damn everyone cries about being tanky yet hitting like a limp *** / noodle. Serious...breath, inhale, eruption, embers, whip whip whip (Skoria somewhere in between all this)...repeat.. not much can actually survive that in pvp except blazing shield builds etc even more so after you've leap at them or the fool tries to fight under your standard. Takes 2s to chuck all that out. L2DK.

xblackroxe

leepalmer95 wrote: »

whip needs major fracture, it won't effect pve dps this way either.

I think you mean major breach but yeah that would be an acceptable idea.

Tryxus

It hits hard enough (taken with 2.1k Spell Damage and 41k Magicka)

leepalmer95

Tryxus wrote: »

It hits hard enough (taken with 2.1k Spell Damage and 41k Magicka)

With nb passives and skill such a relentless, that spell dmg/magicka would do 10k + on concealed.

On a stam nb it would be even higher with the armour debuff.

Give whip an armour debuff, it'll help out dk dmg in pvp as a whole and won't affect pve dps at all, as tanks will major breach/fracture bosses.

Loralai_907

Hmmm, maybe I need to check out noodle slap again. I put it away ages ago and replaced it with other more awesome skills.

Tryxus

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

It hits hard enough (taken with 2.1k Spell Damage and 41k Magicka)

With nb passives and skill such a relentless, that spell dmg/magicka would do 10k + on concealed.

On a stam nb it would be even higher with the armour debuff.

Give whip an armour debuff, it'll help out dk dmg in pvp as a whole and won't affect pve dps at all, as tanks will major breach/fracture bosses.

Difference is smaller than you think, because this one was taken with the same amount of Magicka, same CP setup but with 500 Spell Damage more

leepalmer95

Tryxus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

It hits hard enough (taken with 2.1k Spell Damage and 41k Magicka)

With nb passives and skill such a relentless, that spell dmg/magicka would do 10k + on concealed.

On a stam nb it would be even higher with the armour debuff.

Give whip an armour debuff, it'll help out dk dmg in pvp as a whole and won't affect pve dps at all, as tanks will major breach/fracture bosses.

Difference is smaller than you think, because this one was taken with the same amount of Magicka, same CP setup but with 500 Spell Damage more

That's without including the crit chance + dmg passives, the 8% dmg buff via merciless. The 10% dmg buff via cloaking.

Tryxus

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

It hits hard enough (taken with 2.1k Spell Damage and 41k Magicka)

With nb passives and skill such a relentless, that spell dmg/magicka would do 10k + on concealed.

On a stam nb it would be even higher with the armour debuff.

Give whip an armour debuff, it'll help out dk dmg in pvp as a whole and won't affect pve dps at all, as tanks will major breach/fracture bosses.

Difference is smaller than you think, because this one was taken with the same amount of Magicka, same CP setup but with 500 Spell Damage more

That's without including the crit chance + dmg passives, the 8% dmg buff via merciless. The 10% dmg buff via cloaking.

Right, right... like a 10% Extra Crit chance, Snares, Increased Burn Damage, Extra Damage + Heal when hitting off balance enemies, ...

If we start adding in other skills/passives, this would turn into another class vs class topic. So let's keep it purely on the skill here: Flame Lash is not as weak as ppl think it is. Period.

If I were to DW instead of using S&B (extra Reflect + Synergy with Draconic Power passives) to get my Spell Damage on par, I'd be hitting just as hard as my MagBlade

Avalon

Mureel wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Dat 3.2k flame lash tho!

But seriously, flame lash needs either a decent buff or to become an execute skill. I've had so many fights recently in PVP that I just can't close out despite being the better player for 80% of the fight, because Mag DK just has no execute.

So either do as title says, or perhaps something along the lines of an extra damage execute on target under 25%, like how every other mana class has.

Plz and thx.

TITLE is AWESOME! xD

Seconded. The complaint is bordering on ridiculous, but the title is PRICELESS!!

phaneub17_ESO

It's like Inferno, it's not meant to actually do any considerable damage but to give you a stat boost. I don't think they really expected anyone to use the other morph, it's just a slot to boost the damage of your other abilities.