New Player Review 1-50 Part 1

Eugenstash

Hello Community & ZOS,

I would like to start this off by saying I'm a huge fan of the elder scrolls series. I sunk an unhealthy amount of time in to skyrim and an acceptable amount of time in Oblivion and by acceptable I mean from a standard of someone who doesnt play video games. However, this wont be a side by side comparison as that IMO would do ESO an injustice as I believe it is it's own beast and is an MMO. I'm going to as best as I can recall, detail my experience, my thoughts, and my conclusion. I have played quite a few MMOs some of which include Guild Wars, Blade and Soul, Devillian (gross), TERA, and FFXIV so I am no stranger to the genre. Lets get to it. Apologies for the spelling errors along the way. This isn't a term paper. BTW I play on PS4 even though I do have the game on PC, just dont play it there so I could play with my best friend.

Emersion
First of all this game is beautiful and the console version is no exception. The world is greatly detailed and well fleshed out. It really gives an emersive experience that someone like me who silently likes to RP drools over. Kudos to the developers behind this portion of the game. I love it. I found myself, especially early on saying "this is my new home. This is my new game." That is how strongly I felt emersed within the world.

QUESTS
Personally I thoroughly enjoyed questing. A few zones I completed entirely even though I found myself outleveling the mobs quite often. I loved the voice acting and it was a welcome change to reading huge blocks of text like in FFXIV and listening to the TERAbad voice acting of TERA and BnS (see what I did there?). However, I rarely found myself challenged through the base game questing even when I wasnt over leveled. I get the streamlining questing but were not all care bears here. Some of us like to be challenged even during the leveling process.

GROUPING
Often players would just send me an invite and this was really refreshing. I like that it was that easy and people were willing to just group up to quest. I'm more of a solo player in MMOs but I do enjoy gouping up. The dungeon finder however in my opinion needs revision. It's probably one of the worst I've encountered. It doesnt seem to have an option to que for the dungeon at the level you find it. It automatically ques you for VR16. And some dungeons literally have no one waiting outside and I'm on PS4. Yes I know join a guild blah blah blah. I dont think this generation of MMOs can strictly rely on that anymore sadly.

COMBAT
No complaints. I really enjoyed it. Some of it didnt feel very impactful but I noticed different sounds when using axes or maces. Thats a really cool feature. The skill lines are varied and there were some difficult choices along the way. I feel this is a solid aspect of the game (when it works properly but more on that below).

PVP
No CP campaign is in MY OPINION the better of the two choices (3?). I just had more fun there. The game through me in to the CP campaign w/my first champion point and I still had greens on. I was slaughtered and mostly had to seige hump or crit rush in on low targets to kill anyone. A combo of inexperience, crappy gear, and low CP no doubt but It does give you a look forward as to what goals you'll want to accomplish to be competitive. Overall though it was exciting and seemed to use the same formula as GW2 (or did GW2 use ESO's? I played a ton of WVW).

CRAFTING
Some of the best in an MMO ive encountered. Gotta say, I love the crafting system and felt like there wasnt a single profession that wasnt valid. While I didnt reach end game crafting, I can say that I was looking forward to it as I love to be able to craft my own gear.

CASH SHOP
Now I have seen quite a few cash shops and they seem to be a staple of games these days and "double dipping" IMO is a shady business practice and one that seeks to milk its player base. Some of the costumes looked pretty terrible on female characters and I'm not quite sure why that is. I have followed a thread about bugged female outfits and/or the removal of female meshes from the game which is a pretty poor business choice on the part of Zenimax. Most things I felt were fairly priced although I think 40 dollars for a mount is a blatent rip off. But, nothing forces you to spend money and subbing basically gives you crowns so you can save up if you so desire to spend that 40 dollars. Character alteration should have been in the base game. This is standard for any mmo. Not sure how this wasnt included in Tamriel unlimited.

POLISH & BUGS
As I stated before the world is quite beautiful. My orc Malaq'ai looked extremely intimidating and I really loved/love my character's looks. Some armor pieces and weapons floated off of my character and I can only attribute this to laziness and/or inexperience. I dont understand how a game that is potentially so RP centric can let this type of "floatiness" pass. I also encountered many bugs in the game. A total of 17 last I counted. I left the list at work where I made it so you'll have to excuse me if they dont all get mentioned here:

-Crit rush just sometimes didnt work EVEN IN PVP. I encountered this on MULTIPLE occasions. MULTIPLE
-Leap appears to be bugged sometimes as well. I had the wings at my feet a couple times.
-Mount bug which had me basically dragging by butt on the ground like I was a dog with worms.
-Sprint glitches in which I could not leave sprint then my character's weapon skills proceeded not to work at all
-Stuck in third person mode
-Extreme lag accompanied by a buzzing noise in most citites (major mostly).
-weapons swap bug where when I switched from duel weild to two hander I would hold my duel wield weapons like a two hander. I could still attack but it looked ridiculous.
-Random load screens in major cities pre and post DB release
-Load screens post DB out in the world questing. This got me killed on two occasions
-Mobs not showing up on my screen. I basically had to use caltrops and attack the damage numbers to know where they were.
-Players and NPCs not rendering in major cities
-Players on mounts running on top of their mounts (on my screen). Literally they looked like they were jogging on top of their mounts.
-Health bar bug in PVP where my health refused to regenerate fully out of combat
-I sat in que for some dungeons for over an hour (not sure if this is a bug or not). I did que as a dps though.
-Weapon swap sometimes didnt work. I would weapon swap then my character would involuntarily switch back

I'm sure there are many more to be encountered in the future...yay!! In fact I heard on an older eso live from Gina Bruno and I quote "that bug will be coming to consoles". Wow. Just wow. I'm referring to battle spirit in case you're wondering.

Conclusion:
Overall the game has huge potential. It has a world that is easy to embrace. It's questing is well done and it does have that Elder Scrolls feel to it. The devs nailed that for sure. Combat was fun and PVP was intense and overall enjoyable. The leveling experience wasnt tedious and I was gaining CP at a pretty good rate. The cash shop was decent but but some of the costumes were meh especially on female characters (how did my characters chest expand so much?). I wouldnt play a female character in this game personally untill they fix their armor and costume issues with them.

Considering the bugs I've encountered and the ridiculous amount of them I'm not sure if there is a Q & A department. If there is, I'm sorely dissapointed in their efforts. Frankly I'm not sure how this game was given the blessing to come to console in this state. I hear quite often that PC were the beta testers for consoles. If so, who are consoles beta testing for? Mobile platform devices like the phones or tablets? I'm sorry I'm tearing this game apart with my conclusion but to me this is simply unnacceptable and there are MMOs that dont realease content in this state. Any one who has played FFXIV: ARR knows what I mean. After two years how do these bugs still exist? They nailed everything else so well. I heard Matt Firor say that they were happy with how the game was doing. Perhaps from a financial stand point. But your game is the most buggy game I HAVE ever played to date. With that being said, I cannot in good concious reccomend this game until it receives the polish it deserves. And it does deserve it. The developers need to stop churning out content and focus on polish because there are games with less budget that can do it so why cant you? There's no excuse. NONE.

For those of you that love the game, keep loving it. I love it too. I'll use a metaphor here because I have been playing FFXIV for 9 months and I'll just say this: After driving a mercedes benz for the last 9 months, why on earth would I switch to a Kia?

Eugenstash

EDIT: THERE IS NO PART 2. I just wasnt sure if this would all fit. If you love the game, then by all means enjoy yourself out in Tamriel. I know I did...

Voxicity

Shame FFXIV is for weeaboos

Eugenstash

Vox wrote: »

Shame FFXIV is for weeaboos

I can almost agree with you on that lol

Gothlander

FFXIV for 9 months and I'll just say this: After driving a mercedes benz for the last 9 months, why on earth would I switch to a Kia?


Are you saying FFXIV is a Mercedes and ESO is a Kia? lol

Kalifas

I don't know about car comparisons. But if you look at the first 3 pages of general discussion on both Elder Trolls Online and Final Fannies official forums. You will see about zero complaints on Final Fannies forums and 16 complaints about bugs, lag, performance, and skills not working properly on Elder Trolls Online. I'll take a Kia If it runs better than a Mercedes Benz.

But so far the Mercedes is winning...

Eugenstash

Gothlander wrote: »

FFXIV for 9 months and I'll just say this: After driving a mercedes benz for the last 9 months, why on earth would I switch to a Kia?


Are you saying FFXIV is a Mercedes and ESO is a Kia? lol

I'm saying that in terms of polish yes. In terms of game play I feel they both offer a different experience. I honestly ESO's free from combat hands down. In that respect (combat) it's comparing apples to oranges although I feel the tab targeting system is outdated for mmos anyways. In terms of polish and quality, yes I'm saying ESO is a Kia lol. If I could get both cars for the same price, the choice is obvious.

Eugenstash

Kalifas wrote: »

I don't know about car comparisons. But if you look at the first 3 pages of general discussion on both Elder Trolls Online and Final Fannies official forums. You will see about zero complaints on Final Fannies forums and 16 complaints about bugs, lag, performance, and skills not working properly on Elder Trolls Online. I'll take a Kia If it runs better than a Mercedes Benz.

But so far the Mercedes is winning...

Exactly. I currently drive a car I picked up for 700 bucks. Its not pretty but it runs. But yes you're right, if I need to get to work and mercedes isnt running your damn straight ill take the kia even if it is partially working. I honestly didnt intend this to be a comparison of the two games but I thought it very important to point out we as players of any game should have higher standards for the products we invest our time and money in. Of course, we've also got standards for the gameplay we experience. Perhaps in that regard ESO sets the bar for some and in some regards it does set the bar for me as well i.e. world detail, emersion. Oh and lets not forget the stealing. I love stealing in this game I mean I could go on about the positives but the bugs and lack of polish outweigh anything else for me.

Garldeen

Eugenstash wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

FFXIV for 9 months and I'll just say this: After driving a mercedes benz for the last 9 months, why on earth would I switch to a Kia?


Are you saying FFXIV is a Mercedes and ESO is a Kia? lol

I'm saying that in terms of polish yes. In terms of game play I feel they both offer a different experience. I honestly ESO's free from combat hands down. In that respect (combat) it's comparing apples to oranges although I feel the tab targeting system is outdated for mmos anyways. In terms of polish and quality, yes I'm saying ESO is a Kia lol. If I could get both cars for the same price, the choice is obvious.

As some who plays a little of both, I agree about FFXIV. Eso looks better and is probably more fun to play. However, ESO is miles behind FF in terms of professionalism. FF wouldn't dare launch updates in the state that ESO considers acceptable (and then takes weeks to fix, if at all). ESO could learn tons by looking at the way the FF group finder works, zone difficulty. I've never submitted a ticket to FF but I cannot imagine that I would get a Chet esq reply "sorry I would help you but I can't be bothered. Bye'

Merge the two games and you would have the ultimate MMO but listing what makes each one good and bad comes out very much on the side of FF, in my opinion.

Apocalypse1981

Its immersion not emersion.

Eugenstash

wonkydog wrote: »

Eugenstash wrote: »

Gothlander wrote: »

FFXIV for 9 months and I'll just say this: After driving a mercedes benz for the last 9 months, why on earth would I switch to a Kia?


Are you saying FFXIV is a Mercedes and ESO is a Kia? lol

I'm saying that in terms of polish yes. In terms of game play I feel they both offer a different experience. I honestly ESO's free from combat hands down. In that respect (combat) it's comparing apples to oranges although I feel the tab targeting system is outdated for mmos anyways. In terms of polish and quality, yes I'm saying ESO is a Kia lol. If I could get both cars for the same price, the choice is obvious.

As some who plays a little of both, I agree about FFXIV. Eso looks better and is probably more fun to play. However, ESO is miles behind FF in terms of professionalism. FF wouldn't dare launch updates in the state that ESO considers acceptable (and then takes weeks to fix, if at all). ESO could learn tons by looking at the way the FF group finder works, zone difficulty. I've never submitted a ticket to FF but I cannot imagine that I would get a Chet esq reply "sorry I would help you but I can't be bothered. Bye'

Merge the two games and you would have the ultimate MMO but listing what makes each one good and bad comes out very much on the side of FF, in my opinion.

I almost feel like some game companies see releasing broken products as the standard. This to me spells a lack of respect for their player base. I would love to play Felder Fantasy Online LOL. In response to your quote about FFXIV never releasing content in a broken state, post 1.0 I have to agree with you. Personally I wish I could play both but MMO's are a time sink. The funny thing is after all the MMOs I've played I always leave disappointed and go back to FFXIV. Frankly I dont think this is a good thing because it has in many respects spoiled me rotten and removed the difficult choice for me which is: which mmo should I play. I dont have a lot of time so that IS a choice I have to make because because the time I do invest doesnt leave a lot of room for other MMOs. But at the same time, I'm its also a good thing because it makes the choice easier. I hope that makes sense.

Eugenstash

Apocalypse1981 wrote: »

Its immersion not emersion.

Dis aynt no tirm payper. But thank you. I'm a grammar *** myself when it matters.

Ffastyl

Eugenstash wrote: »

However, I rarely found myself challenged through the base game questing even when I wasnt over leveled. I get the streamlining questing but were not all care bears here. Some of us like to be challenged even during the leveling process.

The biggest hurdle to replayability. I rarely enjoy solo content, even when underleveled, because there is no threat. Quests become "tell, don't show" and it's a sorry state of the game. Veteran zones (post 50) used to bring the challenge 1-50 is lacking, but that was removed within 6 months of 2014 release. With One Tamriel there is a possibility though: using the group dungeon normal/Veteran toggle as a difficulty setting for zones. With that toggle, we can bring the game back to "show, don't tell" without upsetting care bears. Check my signature for a link to a more focused thread on it.

Neirymn

Hmpft, FFXIV... Better performances than ESO, that's all. I played it for two years and left for ESO when it hit the consoles, I'm never going back. I hate so much what they've done with summoner, FFXI was way better imo and was truely a FINAL FANTASY episode, FFXIV just stole what they could from previous games, even the races are from FFXI but with a different name and some additions...

I can understand that some players prefer FFXIV over ESO, but I just don't. x) FFXIV is a pay to play MMO, I won't pay to play it anymore, if it goes free or buy to play, I might. ESO is a buy to play MMO, I am playing it and paying for ESO Plus membership, go figure.

Eugenstash

senhavran wrote: »

Hmpft, FFXIV... Better performances than ESO, that's all. I played it for two years and left for ESO when it hit the consoles, I'm never going back. I hate so much what they've done with summoner, FFXI was way better imo and was truely a FINAL FANTASY episode, FFXIV just stole what they could from previous games, even the races are from FFXI but with a different name and some additions...

I can understand that some players prefer FFXIV over ESO, but I just don't. x) FFXIV is a pay to play MMO, I won't pay to play it anymore, if it goes free or buy to play, I might. ESO is a buy to play MMO, I am playing it and paying for ESO Plus membership, go figure.

FFXIV:ARR is my first FF game so I can't comment on past final fantasy games. But lets be honest here. Is not every ES game past the first just stealing from the games before it? Better yet, are not all sequels doing just that? Never the less I have tried to find an alternative to FFXIV and was hoping to find that here but if the first comment my best friend made while playing with me was "I cant get out of 3rd person mode" there's an issue. I might have went off topic there.

Neirymn

Eugenstash wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Hmpft, FFXIV... Better performances than ESO, that's all. I played it for two years and left for ESO when it hit the consoles, I'm never going back. I hate so much what they've done with summoner, FFXI was way better imo and was truely a FINAL FANTASY episode, FFXIV just stole what they could from previous games, even the races are from FFXI but with a different name and some additions...

I can understand that some players prefer FFXIV over ESO, but I just don't. x) FFXIV is a pay to play MMO, I won't pay to play it anymore, if it goes free or buy to play, I might. ESO is a buy to play MMO, I am playing it and paying for ESO Plus membership, go figure.

FFXIV:ARR is my first FF game so I can't comment on past final fantasy games. But lets be honest here. Is not every ES game past the first just stealing from the games before it? Better yet, are not all sequels doing just that? Never the less I have tried to find an alternative to FFXIV and was hoping to find that here but if the first comment my best friend made while playing with me was "I cant get out of 3rd person mode" there's an issue. I might have went off topic there.

The Elder Scrolls series is not like the FINAL FANTASY ones. Each FINAL FANTASY is a new game, with new races, new countries, everything is new but there are some recurent things like chocobos or summonings. To be in the same world as a previous FF game, it is named like this FFX-2 for example, if it's FFXII, it's a new game. FFXIV is not FFXI-2, it's not in the same world or anything.

Each Elder Scrolls game takes place in a different region but it's always in Tamriel but in a different time line. That's why they aren't just stealing like in FFXIV, because it's in the exact same world. x) I am a FINAL FANTASY fan since FFVIII, but I don't like a lot of the decisions they made for FFXIV, that doesn't mean it's a bad game, that only mean I prefer ESO. A lot of players are enjoying FFXIV and that's good for them, I'm getting bored real quick in FFXIV so I left. Not getting bored in ESO, so I stay, that's all.

Garldeen

senhavran wrote: »

Hmpft, FFXIV... Better performances than ESO, that's all. I played it for two years and left for ESO when it hit the consoles, I'm never going back. I hate so much what they've done with summoner, FFXI was way better imo and was truely a FINAL FANTASY episode, FFXIV just stole what they could from previous games, even the races are from FFXI but with a different name and some additions...

I can understand that some players prefer FFXIV over ESO, but I just don't. x) FFXIV is a pay to play MMO, I won't pay to play it anymore, if it goes free or buy to play, I might. ESO is a buy to play MMO, I am playing it and paying for ESO Plus membership, go figure.

Buy to play can be a problem for some because it is something they do not want to pay each month or cannot pay, either way that is is a choice for the individual and there is no right or wrong answer. However, if we compare both games for the past 12 months, that would cost me about £95 subs (ive not played it for that long but for the sake of maths) in that time in eso we have had 9,500 crowns worth of updates. Excluding any discounts I make it about £45 for those cash, of course you cannot normally buy the exact no of crowns and a lot of people choose to spend the left over on mounts etc, so let's call it £50 to be generous.

This leaves £45 difference in the games, or £3.75 a month. £3.75 a month for far more reliable servers, pretty much bug free gameplay and far more group based content seems good value in my opinion. I'm not pretending that monthly fee is cheaper or for everyone, but when you tally up the amounts spent on DLC and crown store items and compare them to what you get for your sub elsewhere, I can see how it could be argued that paid monthly games offer better value for money.

For the record I'm not saying either model is right. I normally sub to FFXIV for a couple of months, get bored and unsub for a couple of months. With ESO I play a lot, take a break and then return to it - although I'm finding the game harder and harder to return to because it is so easy.

We may have gone a little off the original topic, that was a good review from a new user. They liked bits of the games, they didn't like other bits

Eugenstash

senhavran wrote: »

Eugenstash wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Hmpft, FFXIV... Better performances than ESO, that's all. I played it for two years and left for ESO when it hit the consoles, I'm never going back. I hate so much what they've done with summoner, FFXI was way better imo and was truely a FINAL FANTASY episode, FFXIV just stole what they could from previous games, even the races are from FFXI but with a different name and some additions...

I can understand that some players prefer FFXIV over ESO, but I just don't. x) FFXIV is a pay to play MMO, I won't pay to play it anymore, if it goes free or buy to play, I might. ESO is a buy to play MMO, I am playing it and paying for ESO Plus membership, go figure.

FFXIV:ARR is my first FF game so I can't comment on past final fantasy games. But lets be honest here. Is not every ES game past the first just stealing from the games before it? Better yet, are not all sequels doing just that? Never the less I have tried to find an alternative to FFXIV and was hoping to find that here but if the first comment my best friend made while playing with me was "I cant get out of 3rd person mode" there's an issue. I might have went off topic there.

The Elder Scrolls series is not like the FINAL FANTASY ones. Each FINAL FANTASY is a new game, with new races, new countries, everything is new but there are some recurent things like chocobos or summonings. To be in the same world as a previous FF game, it is named like this FFX-2 for example, if it's FFXII, it's a new game. FFXIV is not FFXI-2, it's not in the same world or anything.

Each Elder Scrolls game takes place in a different region but it's always in Tamriel but in a different time line. That's why they aren't just stealing like in FFXIV, because it's in the exact same world. x) I am a FINAL FANTASY fan since FFVIII, but I don't like a lot of the decisions they made for FFXIV, that doesn't mean it's a bad game, that only mean I prefer ESO. A lot of players are enjoying FFXIV and that's good for them, I'm getting bored real quick in FFXIV so I left. Not getting bored in ESO, so I stay, that's all.

The only way a game studio can "steal" content is if they don't own the rights to that content. I'm not sure I agree with your statement but I respect your opinion.

Neirymn

wonkydog wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Hmpft, FFXIV... Better performances than ESO, that's all. I played it for two years and left for ESO when it hit the consoles, I'm never going back. I hate so much what they've done with summoner, FFXI was way better imo and was truely a FINAL FANTASY episode, FFXIV just stole what they could from previous games, even the races are from FFXI but with a different name and some additions...

I can understand that some players prefer FFXIV over ESO, but I just don't. x) FFXIV is a pay to play MMO, I won't pay to play it anymore, if it goes free or buy to play, I might. ESO is a buy to play MMO, I am playing it and paying for ESO Plus membership, go figure.

Buy to play can be a problem for some because it is something they do not want to pay each month or cannot pay, either way that is is a choice for the individual and there is no right or wrong answer. However, if we compare both games for the past 12 months, that would cost me about £95 subs (ive not played it for that long but for the sake of maths) in that time in eso we have had 9,500 crowns worth of updates. Excluding any discounts I make it about £45 for those cash, of course you cannot normally buy the exact no of crowns and a lot of people choose to spend the left over on mounts etc, so let's call it £50 to be generous.

This leaves £45 difference in the games, or £3.75 a month. £3.75 a month for far more reliable servers, pretty much bug free gameplay and far more group based content seems good value in my opinion. I'm not pretending that monthly fee is cheaper or for everyone, but when you tally up the amounts spent on DLC and crown store items over a year the gap is far less that it seems.

I agree with that.

For me it's not about prices or performances, it's about having fun and enjoying a game. Despite its flaws, I am enjoying more ESO than the very repetive - in my opinion - but very well developped FFXIV, that's just a matter of taste after all. I am glad that others do enjoy more FFXIV than ESO.

Everytime I see an update for FFXIV, it bores me, everytime I see an update for ESO, I am excited! If you feel the same way for FFXIV, don't waste a second on ESO, go play FFXIV, I want you to have fun like I do!

WanderingJarlPuncher

as a former and soon to return to FFIVARR i only ever had ONE complain about the game : gold sellers. other than that ff14 is a 1m carat diamond.

i made a polla few days back askign what players want: 50-50 vote came out on fixing the bugs and a new class. i think ti speaks for itself bt the endless greed of zenimax and Bethesda over money makes it so that those who pay thousands of $$$$ on the game get the last go on what happens. hence why they lost nearly 1.5m players in less than 2 years.
we ALL, well the remaining 20-25k players on PC, asked, begged raged at zenimax to fix the games and bugs but nothing, they just add layers of unchecked content over the previous layers of bugs because they get money out of maybe 500 players.

peopel may rant about eso and // or FF14 on content and stupid moves but lets agree on seomthing shall we?

SE = 1- BUG!!
2-GM ticket
3- chat
4- see if it can be worked around
5- nothing works? repair list
6- patch
7- bug is fixed.

ESO: 1- BUG!!
2- GM ticket : its your fault if theres a bug
3- ask why its your fault
4- its your fault because your client is bugged
5- but its your company that scripted this game.
6- its your fault if our game has bugs becausewe made a mistake in the Scripting.
7- recieves satisfaction Survey because ticket was closed.
8- delete ticket because even if you fill it with all out positive//negative they dont reply


price Wise on eso 100$ for imperial edition since eplorer pack is turning useless exept for pvp one release of tamriel one
eso orsinium 30$ for a week of story mode
eso imperical city 25$ for a week of story mode
eso thief guild 20$ for a week of story mode
eso dark brotherhood 20$ for a week of story mode, when they actually finish the fixes to make it 25% functionnal.
those arent bundles that cost 20$ more per dlc otherwise its higher
subscription total 300$ per years, but you only need 3 months to complete all the dlc, if not its 195$ USD for 3 months
ESO : 30k players on Pc are left. and the numbers going down slowly one day at a time.

FF14 colelctors edition 60$ for 3-4 months of classic game play
ff14 arr heavensward colelction edition 60$ for another 4 months of content
subscription cost 12$ per months total 240.
FF14 as also been out far longer than ESO and they still have over 100 million players world wide.


[double EDIT] 1- this post will probably be removed or edited by the Watch dogs of zenimaxs
2- for those who mentionned targeting is irrelevant... try to snipe a raid boss when adds pass in front of the boss and you snipe an add instead of the boss. or try to heal a tank when all the heals you have are aoe based or cone shaped based. you dont have any forms or single targetting either for dps or Healing and you dont have any forms of aoe tanking for tanks.

Garldeen

Can't a man have fun with both games. There are good and bad points to each. Be it ffxiv, eso, lego etc, i couldn't handle just playing one game. I need variety in my gaming.

Eugenstash

senhavran wrote: »

wonkydog wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Hmpft, FFXIV... Better performances than ESO, that's all. I played it for two years and left for ESO when it hit the consoles, I'm never going back. I hate so much what they've done with summoner, FFXI was way better imo and was truely a FINAL FANTASY episode, FFXIV just stole what they could from previous games, even the races are from FFXI but with a different name and some additions...

I can understand that some players prefer FFXIV over ESO, but I just don't. x) FFXIV is a pay to play MMO, I won't pay to play it anymore, if it goes free or buy to play, I might. ESO is a buy to play MMO, I am playing it and paying for ESO Plus membership, go figure.

Buy to play can be a problem for some because it is something they do not want to pay each month or cannot pay, either way that is is a choice for the individual and there is no right or wrong answer. However, if we compare both games for the past 12 months, that would cost me about £95 subs (ive not played it for that long but for the sake of maths) in that time in eso we have had 9,500 crowns worth of updates. Excluding any discounts I make it about £45 for those cash, of course you cannot normally buy the exact no of crowns and a lot of people choose to spend the left over on mounts etc, so let's call it £50 to be generous.

This leaves £45 difference in the games, or £3.75 a month. £3.75 a month for far more reliable servers, pretty much bug free gameplay and far more group based content seems good value in my opinion. I'm not pretending that monthly fee is cheaper or for everyone, but when you tally up the amounts spent on DLC and crown store items over a year the gap is far less that it seems.

I agree with that.

For me it's not about prices or performances, it's about having fun and enjoying a game. Despite its flaws, I am enjoying more ESO than the very repetive - in my opinion - but very well developped FFXIV, that's just a matter of taste after all. I am glad that others do enjoy more FFXIV than ESO.

Everytime I see an update for FFXIV, it bores me, everytime I see an update for ESO, I am excited! If you feel the same way for FFXIV, don't waste a second on ESO, go play FFXIV, I want you to have fun like I do!

I actually have a lot of fun in both. The funny thing is there were times when I was playing FFXIV and I'd be like "I kinda wish I was playing ESO right now" and vise versa. I just love the immersion of ESO. To put it this way in ESO i feel like I'm part of Tamriel. In FFXIV I feel like I'm part of an MMO if that makes sense. I feel like its ridiculous to get bored in MMO's but I too have felt the same about FFXIV and I only have one class to 60.

Neirymn

Eugenstash wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Eugenstash wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

Hmpft, FFXIV... Better performances than ESO, that's all. I played it for two years and left for ESO when it hit the consoles, I'm never going back. I hate so much what they've done with summoner, FFXI was way better imo and was truely a FINAL FANTASY episode, FFXIV just stole what they could from previous games, even the races are from FFXI but with a different name and some additions...

I can understand that some players prefer FFXIV over ESO, but I just don't. x) FFXIV is a pay to play MMO, I won't pay to play it anymore, if it goes free or buy to play, I might. ESO is a buy to play MMO, I am playing it and paying for ESO Plus membership, go figure.

FFXIV:ARR is my first FF game so I can't comment on past final fantasy games. But lets be honest here. Is not every ES game past the first just stealing from the games before it? Better yet, are not all sequels doing just that? Never the less I have tried to find an alternative to FFXIV and was hoping to find that here but if the first comment my best friend made while playing with me was "I cant get out of 3rd person mode" there's an issue. I might have went off topic there.

The Elder Scrolls series is not like the FINAL FANTASY ones. Each FINAL FANTASY is a new game, with new races, new countries, everything is new but there are some recurent things like chocobos or summonings. To be in the same world as a previous FF game, it is named like this FFX-2 for example, if it's FFXII, it's a new game. FFXIV is not FFXI-2, it's not in the same world or anything.

Each Elder Scrolls game takes place in a different region but it's always in Tamriel but in a different time line. That's why they aren't just stealing like in FFXIV, because it's in the exact same world. x) I am a FINAL FANTASY fan since FFVIII, but I don't like a lot of the decisions they made for FFXIV, that doesn't mean it's a bad game, that only mean I prefer ESO. A lot of players are enjoying FFXIV and that's good for them, I'm getting bored real quick in FFXIV so I left. Not getting bored in ESO, so I stay, that's all.

The only way a game studio can "steal" content is if they don't own the rights to that content. I'm not sure I agree with your statement but I respect your opinion.

Of course you can disagree, I know what I meant and I get your point but it's not easy for me to explain my point of view as English is not my native language. But I am trying. ^^

Anyway, that won't change the fact that I dislike a lot of the decisions made in FFXIV and that the game bores me very quickly. However, there is a lot of things that I do like in FFXIV though, for example, you can lvl up your chocobo and have him/her fight along side you, choose his abilities, etc. And yes lags and bugs are very rare, that's enjoyable too. But in the end, the pros and cons are in favor of ESO for me. There is nothing wrong in liking different things and we all have our reasons even if some may not make any sense to others, who cares?

Kalifas

What's good about FFXIV:

• Buttery Smooth Performance
• No lag spikes or disconnects
• Lots of Classes
• More Content than any other mmo
• The Cross Hotbar- Allows 16 on tap active skills, and the ability to cycle between 256 more.
• The Armoury System- The ability to switch between class and equip all class specific gear and abilities at the blink of an eye
• Huge expansions- 50 hours of story, 3-4 dungeons, new systems, expanded systems
• Big patches- The patches there are as big as some mmos expansion.
• A fluid and adaptable group finder
• A raid finder
• Class specific story
• Races without passives
• The job system- Can try and play every class on one character and some skills are shareable
• Fates- Like Dolmens except they have more variety and some fates with bosses are unsoloable
• Chocobo Mounts- They can actually fight with you and level up
• Relic Weapons- Class specific weapons that are often BiS powered up thru mostly perpetual quests
• Artifact Armor- Class specific armor unlocked via questing
• Group Centric- You can play like a solo player queuing up for content perfectly tuned for groups
• Good Class Balance

What's bad about FFXIV:

• Global Cooldown
• Crafting- It may be a bonus to some but it is a negative for me. Having to level multiple crafts to be efficient.
• Limited Cross Classing- I came from FFXI which had even more cross classing than ESO,limited in XIV.
• Tab Target- I am in love with aiming targets now and tab target is less exciting.
• Slightly homogenized classes, not enough freedom cross classing
• Heavily Instanced
• Small Zone but beautiful
• No 100% voice acting, I could deal with sidequest not being voiced but main story is a no go for me
• Limited Housing Availability but like that if you do get one it is fully operational with multiple guildies

What's good about ESO:

• Pretty good main story
• Fantastic Side quest stories
• Open Ended class system
• Combat system
• Graphics
• Very open world
• Buy to Play without restrictions up until update 11
• Races with meaningful passives
• Crafting System

What's bad about ESO:

• Open Ended Class system- Could be more open if class lines weren't locked into archetypes
• Combat System- While it is an exciting combat system, it doesn't always perform as it should
• Bad Class Balance- There is constant nerfing and boosting due to this
• Shaky Performance- When it works well it is fantastic, but when it doesn't not good at all
• Bugs
• Crafting bags and dye system being locked behind the monthly paywall.
• Races with meaningful passive- The races should be minor differences but there is like a BiS except it is RiS
• Not enough meaty content
• Shoddy Group Finder

For me XIV beats ESO in a bunch of categories. Up until this upcoming patch with locking stuff behind the paywall. I still would have chose ESO because it's more fun for me and it's more similar to FFXI. Not so sure at the moment.

Eugenstash

Kalifas wrote: »

What's good about FFXIV:

• Buttery Smooth Performance
• No lag spikes or disconnects
• Lots of Classes
• More Content than any other mmo
• The Cross Hotbar- Allows 16 on tap active skills, and the ability to cycle between 256 more.
• The Armoury System- The ability to switch between class and equip all class specific gear and abilities at the blink of an eye
• Huge expansions- 50 hours of story, 3-4 dungeons, new systems, expanded systems
• Big patches- The patches there are as big as some mmos expansion.
• A fluid and adaptable group finder
• A raid finder
• Class specific story
• Races without passives
• The job system- Can try and play every class on one character and some skills are shareable
• Fates- Like Dolmens except they have more variety and some fates with bosses are unsoloable
• Chocobo Mounts- They can actually fight with you and level up
• Relic Weapons- Class specific weapons that are often BiS powered up thru mostly perpetual quests
• Artifact Armor- Class specific armor unlocked via questing
• Group Centric- You can play like a solo player queuing up for content perfectly tuned for groups
• Good Class Balance

What's bad about FFXIV:

• Global Cooldown
• Crafting- It may be a bonus to some but it is a negative for me. Having to level multiple crafts to be efficient.
• Limited Cross Classing- I came from FFXI which had even more cross classing than ESO,limited in XIV.
• Tab Target- I am in love with aiming targets now and tab target is less exciting.
• Slightly homogenized classes, not enough freedom cross classing
• Heavily Instanced
• Small Zone but beautiful
• No 100% voice acting, I could deal with sidequest not being voiced but main story is a no go for me
• Limited Housing Availability but like that if you do get one it is fully operational with multiple guildies

What's good about ESO:

• Pretty good main story
• Fantastic Side quest stories
• Open Ended class system
• Combat system
• Graphics
• Very open world
• Buy to Play without restrictions up until update 11
• Races with meaningful passives
• Crafting System

What's bad about ESO:

• Open Ended Class system- Could be more open if class lines weren't locked into archetypes
• Combat System- While it is an exciting combat system, it doesn't always perform as it should
• Bad Class Balance- There is constant nerfing and boosting due to this
• Shaky Performance- When it works well it is fantastic, but when it doesn't not good at all
• Bugs
• Crafting bags and dye system being locked behind the monthly paywall.
• Races with meaningful passive- The races should be minor differences but there is like a BiS except it is RiS
• Not enough meaty content
• Shoddy Group Finder

For me XIV beats ESO in a bunch of categories. Up until this upcoming patch with locking stuff behind the paywall. I still would have chose ESO because it's more fun for me and it's more similar to FFXI. Not so sure at the moment.

You just one upped me in the review department

WanderingJarlPuncher

Kalifas wrote: »

What's good about FFXIV:

What's bad about FFXIV:
• Global Cooldown
• Crafting- It may be a bonus to some but it is a negative for me. Having to level multiple crafts to be efficient.
• Limited Cross Classing- I came from FFXI which had even more cross classing than ESO,limited in XIV.
• Tab Target- I am in love with aiming targets now and tab target is less exciting.
• Slightly homogenized classes, not enough freedom cross classing
• Heavily Instanced
• Small Zone but beautiful
• No 100% voice acting, I could deal with sidequest not being voiced but main story is a no go for me
• Limited Housing Availability but like that if you do get one it is fully operational with multiple guildies
  
  
  What's bad about ESO:
  
• Open Ended Class system- Could be more open if class lines weren't locked into archetypes
• Combat System- While it is an exciting combat system, it doesn't always perform as it should
• Bad Class Balance- There is constant nerfing and boosting due to this
• Shaky Performance- When it works well it is fantastic, but when it doesn't not good at all
• Bugs
• Crafting bags and dye system being locked behind the monthly paywall.
• Races with meaningful passive- The races should be minor differences but there is like a BiS except it is RiS
• Not enough meaty content
• Shoddy Group Finder

global cooldwon = sound goodfrom a roleplay angle. eso allows you to spam Arrow spray aka magically having 5 arrows pop in your hands non without recharging.

crafting: if you want to craft a house you need to build you smithing skill cuz cooking wont make solid nails and your wooden door frame wont be there if you can only use tailoring
limited cross classing, they actually did this willingly to avoid OPness from the skyrim franchise, i also played FF11.

tab target when i want to taunt a boss i want to nuke a specific monster i want THAT specific monster not the monster going in front of him when i cast my nuke //taunt or CC.

homogenized classing: sounds good with me makes you require a group instead of solo mode

heavyly instanced : sound god as well since grouping is part of mmo and is a huge aspect of soail activity in a game.

no voice acting , agree but but i would rather see some quests in eso being voice acting skippable some npcs talk so much its a burden.

i need to tank my gf aggro bbl if i live through to finish this if the watchdogs didnt cut it down

Kalifas

WanderingJarlPuncher wrote: »

Kalifas wrote: »

What's good about FFXIV:

What's bad about FFXIV:
• Global Cooldown
• Crafting- It may be a bonus to some but it is a negative for me. Having to level multiple crafts to be efficient.
• Limited Cross Classing- I came from FFXI which had even more cross classing than ESO,limited in XIV.
• Tab Target- I am in love with aiming targets now and tab target is less exciting.
• Slightly homogenized classes, not enough freedom cross classing
• Heavily Instanced
• Small Zone but beautiful
• No 100% voice acting, I could deal with sidequest not being voiced but main story is a no go for me
• Limited Housing Availability but like that if you do get one it is fully operational with multiple guildies
  
  
  What's bad about ESO:
  
• Open Ended Class system- Could be more open if class lines weren't locked into archetypes
• Combat System- While it is an exciting combat system, it doesn't always perform as it should
• Bad Class Balance- There is constant nerfing and boosting due to this
• Shaky Performance- When it works well it is fantastic, but when it doesn't not good at all
• Bugs
• Crafting bags and dye system being locked behind the monthly paywall.
• Races with meaningful passive- The races should be minor differences but there is like a BiS except it is RiS
• Not enough meaty content
• Shoddy Group Finder

global cooldwon = sound goodfrom a roleplay angle. eso allows you to spam Arrow spray aka magically having 5 arrows pop in your hands non without recharging.

crafting: if you want to craft a house you need to build you smithing skill cuz cooking wont make solid nails and your wooden door frame wont be there if you can only use tailoring
limited cross classing, they actually did this willingly to avoid OPness from the skyrim franchise, i also played FF11.

tab target when i want to taunt a boss i want to nuke a specific monster i want THAT specific monster not the monster going in front of him when i cast my nuke //taunt or CC.

homogenized classing: sounds good with me makes you require a group instead of solo mode

heavyly instanced : sound god as well since grouping is part of mmo and is a huge aspect of soail activity in a game.

no voice acting , agree but but i would rather see some quests in eso being voice acting skippable some npcs talk so much its a burden.

i need to tank my gf aggro bbl if i live through to finish this if the watchdogs didnt cut it down

For the global cooldown FFXI handled that perfectly. To keep from spamming a skill repeatedly over and over you had tp and mp properly balanced.

I can target just as good with aiming as I can tab unless there is like 50 enemies coming at once.

Homogenized classes is not ok. The reason why roles are not prominent in this game is because there is no downsides to the builds. You can stay neutral and pump up what you want. The other aspect is you can't really tank because the way enemy agro and emnity works in this game. You can't really be a stellar healer because emnity is all over the place and heals are not bursty except on templar.

I don't mind instances on very focused tight difficult battles or massive PVE. But in the questing side of things it is uncalled for.

nimander99

Every issue you had with the exception of the female mesh issue is attributed to the stupid lag we have, it's always in begging zones, new DLC's/PVP, and major cities... I honestly don't know if there will ever be a "fix" for this.

I just live with it and attribute most of the issues OP's had to the fact that consoles just aren't powerful enough to handle this game... Just like my outdated PC.

Neirymn

Every game has its pros and cons, but some pros can be cons for someone else. ^^

WanderingJarlPuncher

senhavran wrote: »

Every game has its pros and cons, but some pros can be cons for someone else. ^^

eso had pros until they started to get hungry for money then it went Inside out and only went cons and forgot to adds pros in their concept.

Thornen

Yep great game filled with bugs and performance issues that are never addressed...