Should Rider Skill be account wide just like Mounts were changed from character to account wide?

Kulizma

Personally, I believe rider skill should be made account wide considering how (dreadfully) long it takes to max it out. That is 180 days of logging in every single day, on every single character, and having to keep track of when you can and cant upgrade due to it being on a 20-hour basis and not a daily reset type deal. For many people, including myself, who have multiple characters (8 and counting for me) it becomes such a tedious task and takes quite a bit to log in and out of every single character (not to mention the loading screens).

Mounts being as slow as they are on a new character make collecting skyshards, lorebooks, and traveling to unmarked locations a HUGE pain. I myself took the risk and used speedhacking to make the process of running from shard to shard quicker and got temporarily suspended (rightfully so). I know this isnt a valid reason, but dont you think its a little too much? Maybe this can be made an ESO PLUS subscription bonus?

Also, the riding lessons in the crown store are WAY TOO EXPENSIVE! I understand you are a business ZOS but just think about how much money you are charging for such a small thing. 1000 crowns per 10 points. 6000 crowns to max out just ONE stat. 18,000 CROWNS to max ONE character. Now do this with all the characters you have. Lets say you have 8 characters like me. 18,000 x 8 = 144,000 Crowns just to max out the rider skill for all characters! 5500 crowns is $40 USD. lets just say 6000 since thats how much it takes to max one skill. that comes out to about $1,000 USD!!!!! ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

Instead of having the crown lessons only give 10 points, make each book max out a stat. 3,000 crowns sounds much more reasonable and I think more people would buy. I for one, would be willing to spend 3000 crowns for a character that i really wanted to get into action as soon as possible.

WanderingJarlPuncher

its awkward that all game mechanic topic are sent in general forum BUT if you send general forum to game mechanic it removed.
this psot too will be removed when the gms read it.

Burning_Talons

Yes even though I paid for mine nobody should have to wait 6 months for each character or pay $125

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Have 1 character maxed out horse through logging in. Would love it to be account wide.

Kulizma

WanderingJarlPuncher wrote: »

its awkward that all game mechanic topic are sent in general forum BUT if you send general forum to game mechanic it removed.
this psot too will be removed when the gms read it.

I wouldn't say this is game mechanic. More of an account/crown store thing but i figured it would fit in the General category since its a bit of everything.

Wing

well, I get that its a gold sink (45k gold per character) and I have leveled it on multiple characters I'm certainly not one of those that says "i did it so they have to suffer too"

and as someone above pointed out, 6 months? just to max horse skills (if you remember to do it ever day)

I get that's why riding lessons are in the store, but c'mon this is a silly pointless grind.

UltimaJoe777

This again? Geez...

I'm raising 4 new characters' mount skills every day and you don't see me complaining about it... Nor did I complain about maxing all my other 8 characters'. I never once spent crowns on them either...

Kulizma

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

This again? Geez...

I'm raising 4 new characters' mount skills every day and you don't see me complaining about it... Nor did I complain about maxing all my other 8 characters'. I never once spent crowns on them either...

Let's say somebody doesn't have the time to log in every day or spend even the slightest time to train all their characters. Heck, some people just forget to do it with all the different dailys around. How long would it take this casual player to have his character be as fast as everybody else? A couple months? A year? Just because you have the willpower/time to put up with it doesn't mean everybody else does. This is a simple ease-of-life update that should not affect others for whatever reason. Just like @Wing mentioned, don't be one of those people that wants to see others suffer just because you had to do it. Doing it once should be more than enough.

Mojmir

Max riding lessons for eso+ subs automatically, LOL

UltimaJoe777

Zyzzveli wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

This again? Geez...

I'm raising 4 new characters' mount skills every day and you don't see me complaining about it... Nor did I complain about maxing all my other 8 characters'. I never once spent crowns on them either...

Let's say somebody doesn't have the time to log in every day or spend even the slightest time to train all their characters. Heck, some people just forget to do it with all the different dailys around. How long would it take this casual player to have his character be as fast as everybody else? A couple months? A year? Just because you have the willpower/time to put up with it doesn't mean everybody else does. This is a simple ease-of-life update that should not affect others for whatever reason. Just like @Wing mentioned, don't be one of those people that wants to see others suffer just because you had to do it. Doing it once should be more than enough.

Thing about the "don't have the time of day" reason is if you don't have that what makes you think you'll have the time to even put it to use?

Kulizma

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Thing about the "don't have the time of day" reason is if you don't have that what makes you think you'll have the time to even put it to use?

What I meant was a lot of people put off dailys because it takes up too much of their time that they have to play the game. Some might look at it and say that "oh it only takes a few minutes" while another person might just avoid it altogether because they would rather spend whatever time they have doing things they want rather than having to spend it logging in and out of every single character they have, which isn't the fastest thing to do... If they put the "training" option to train all characters on the character sheet, you could train up all your characters from one place the same way you can check/send/recieve mail from any character. That could be a better alternative like making it "Account Skill" rather than "Character Skill"

Rev Rielle

Honestly, I think they need to have another look at the entire horse and rider progression in the game. It's fairly out of place now and needs significant improvement I feel.

AmberLaTerra

Yes, but you should have to pay for it on every character still.

If you make a new character and already have maxed riding you could not benefit from it until you paid the 45k to the stable, and normal training if not maxed would cost 250xnumber of characters in order to keep the gold sink aspect of the training intact.

lookstwice

At a minimum I would at least like to queue up the rider training for at least 7 days. Let me pay the 7 days up front and select what I how many speed/stam/inventory I want for the 7 days. At least that way I don't have to log in everyday.

Kulizma

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

Yes, but you should have to pay for it on every character still.

If you make a new character and already have maxed riding you could not benefit from it until you paid the 45k to the stable, and normal training if not maxed would cost 250xnumber of characters in order to keep the gold sink aspect of the training intact.

I would be completely fine with paying the gold in a one lump sum. Even better, they should just make it like they made Bank Spaces and Inventory Bags. Just let us buy all the lessons at once the same way we can buy all the bag spaces at once.

UltimaJoe777

Zyzzveli wrote: »

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

Yes, but you should have to pay for it on every character still.

If you make a new character and already have maxed riding you could not benefit from it until you paid the 45k to the stable, and normal training if not maxed would cost 250xnumber of characters in order to keep the gold sink aspect of the training intact.

I would be completely fine with paying the gold in a one lump sum. Even better, they should just make it like they made Bank Spaces and Inventory Bags. Just let us buy all the lessons at once the same way we can buy all the bag spaces at once.

But you know they'd increase the cost if they removed the timer right? Probably 1,000 Gold per lesson or something, amounting to a grand total of 180k to do it all then and there.

Kulizma

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

But you know they'd increase the cost if they removed the timer right? Probably 1,000 Gold per lesson or something, amounting to a grand total of 180k to do it all then and there.

I have gold to burn. Better than nothing. I just dont like the whole time thing. Forcefully making someone wait 6 months to a Year just to get a maxed mount when nothing else in the game that requires training has a time restriction.

bebynnag

I have always felt that mounts leveling through crown store should be account wide; maybe then id buy them!

UltimaJoe777

Zyzzveli wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

But you know they'd increase the cost if they removed the timer right? Probably 1,000 Gold per lesson or something, amounting to a grand total of 180k to do it all then and there.

I have gold to burn. Better than nothing. I just dont like the whole time thing. Forcefully making someone wait 6 months to a Year just to get a maxed mount when nothing else in the game that requires training has a time restriction.

And what exactly do you call trait research?

Turelus

What about a system where if you already have one character maxed out in riding skill you can pay all the gold up front to make any alts max out.

Still has the same costs over all but removes the delay time after your first character is done.

Negatives to this is you could level three characters skill at once on your first time, one in each skill then just clone that over to other characters for the full value.

Iluvrien

Zyzzveli wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

But you know they'd increase the cost if they removed the timer right? Probably 1,000 Gold per lesson or something, amounting to a grand total of 180k to do it all then and there.

I have gold to burn. Better than nothing. I just dont like the whole time thing. Forcefully making someone wait 6 months to a Year just to get a maxed mount when nothing else in the game that requires training has a time restriction.

Trait research has time restrictions.

I definitely don't want to see yet another system become account-wide. Soon we will get to the point where there will be no time investment in a new character at all if ZOS gives in to all the calls for mount training, achievements, lorebooks, skyshards etc. to be made account-wide.

Mordenkainen

Turelus wrote: »

What about a system where if you already have one character maxed out in riding skill you can pay all the gold up front to make any alts max out.

Still has the same costs over all but removes the delay time after your first character is done.

Negatives to this is you could level three characters skill at once on your first time, one in each skill then just clone that over to other characters for the full value.

Don't see how that's something negative unless someone really LOVES repetitive things.

I am fairly certain the majority of the people playing ESO don't like this whole "Once every 20 hours" crap at all. I like your suggestion though, The first character is always a special thing, you explore the game in all its aspects given to you by it. So I think it would come pretty much naturally that the horse at least gets speed to 60% before the character hits level 50


I do wonder about something different though.. when will they ever even the regular horse prices? They all just differ in color now since the mount system change so long ago, still the Midnight horse costs 47k , lol.

Kulizma

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

And what exactly do you call trait research?

Iluvrien wrote: »

Trait research has time restrictions.

I definitely don't want to see yet another system become account-wide. Soon we will get to the point where there will be no time investment in a new character at all if ZOS gives in to all the calls for mount training, achievements, lorebooks, skyshards etc. to be made account-wide.

Key word "training" for example, levels, skills, guilds, etc. I agree with you guys I DO NOT want trait research to be shared. What I had regard towards was things that are upgradeable with gold in game and stats that can be leveled. There are no time restrictions, only grinding/money. Also training traits is a whole different animal. It is only for crafters and is used as a service. If everybody could provide the same level of service crafters would be impacted greatly. However, mounts are used by everybody and are not in the same category as traits, crafting, services etc.. Mounts are only benefited by the person that owns them so why not let them buy it all at once just like all other upgradeables?

Kulizma

Mordenkainen wrote: »

Don't see how that's something negative unless someone really LOVES repetitive things.

Mordenkainen wrote: »

The first character is always a special thing, you explore the game in all its aspects given to you by it.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Everything should always be experienced raw and thoroughly the first time. Nobody likes repetition. It should be the same concept as leveling now and how ultimately your "level" is shared account wide through CP which truly reflects how long someone has spent playing/grinding the game. The mount system should be no different.

KingYogi415

Please just play a different game and dont beg to ruin this one.
They should not even sell horse training in the store, this is all a slow fall into complete P2W.

daemonios

No, but riding lessons should never have been in the crown store and those you buy with in-game guild shouldn't be behind a time wall.

Kulizma

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Please just play a different game and dont beg to ruin this one.
They should not even sell horse training in the store, this is all a slow fall into complete P2W.

LOL "beg to ruin"? How am I begging to ruin the game. In what way will maxing out your mount that you have already done multiple times "ruin the game". If your gameplay experience is ruined so easily I think YOU should play a different game. Don't you think its already a little too late for all that P2W moaning considering its been in the game for a while now? Now, dont get me wrong. Im completely against P2W. Runescape was ruined by it. But if youre gonna offer a P2W system at least make it reasonable or make it with gold instead of $$$.

Kulizma

daemonios wrote: »

No, but riding lessons should never have been in the crown store and those you buy with in-game guild shouldn't be behind a time wall.

The crown store thing was merely a suggestion should nothing else pass or be considered. All I really care about is the time restriction on it. account wide or not its just wrong to put that big of a restriction on something

KingYogi415

When you get handed everything there is no reason to log in. I only have one character with a fully maxed horse. All you really need is 40 speed and 20 stamina. 2 months worth per charcter.

DRXHarbinger

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

This again? Geez...

I'm raising 4 new characters' mount skills every day and you don't see me complaining about it... Nor did I complain about maxing all my other 8 characters'. I never once spent crowns on them either...

12 toons. ..you may have an addiction sir. It's not much of an issue this. I spend eso crowns on lessons. Save up 3 months worth and max out a toon on speed and stamina.

Kulizma

KingYogi415 wrote: »

When you get handed everything there is no reason to log in. I only have one character with a fully maxed horse. All you really need is 40 speed and 20 stamina. 2 months worth per charcter.

Put yourself in other people's shoes. It might be fine for you since you have one character but what about (almost) everybody else who has multiple characters? If everything else is "handed" to players why shouldnt mount be? Just flows with the rest of the game system