PvP instant death

Mayrael

First of all sorry for my english as it is far from ok, but o the topic... Im a bit confused. I had something like 10 months of break from playing ESO, I got back like month before DB went live with decision to lvlup magplar, toon is amazing, i rly enjoy playing it but... Im running 5 pieces of heavy armor, 2 light (belt and gloves), 1h + shield (7 impen traits, 1 reinforced on chest and defending on sword) i have about 20k hp in pvp and run arround 33k spell resist and 26k physical resist while buffed + 8% damage resist from rune, from cp i have something like 22% physical resist, +5% crit resist, + 10% spell resist and i must admit that this char is tanky as hell (despite of getting 8k lethal arrows which are rly rare), i can survive presure of 3-5 folks on me (depending on their skills) but sometimes im getting killed by just one enemy in like half a second and on my death recap i have heavy attack, sometimes even 2 + some skills (usualy ambush + surprise attack + incapacitating or crit rush + executioner + dawnbreaker). Im not trying to insinuate anything, im just look for some clues what im missing for. Can this things have something to do with ping 120-200? I know that there is something like animation canceling because im doing it to, but its impossible for me to land like 3 or more skills in ~0.5s, am i doing something wrong? This kind of things didnt happend to me before Ive took a break and now im just confused, most of the time everything seems to be as usual but from time to time im getting killed without even chance to press block or use a potion is it normal? Ive already tried to run on low details, adjust gfx settings and overall performance to keep fps as high as possible, most of the time my ping in cyro is arround 120-140, in large battles it goes up to 300 but lets be honest - even 300ms gap is even less than a half second so its rather to short to fire up like 3 or more attacks... Any advice?

xblackroxe

Mayrael wrote: »

First of all sorry for my english as it is far from ok, but o the topic... Im a bit confused. I had something like 10 months of break from playing ESO, I got back like month before DB went live with decision to lvlup magplar, toon is amazing, i rly enjoy playing it but... Im running 5 pieces of heavy armor, 2 light (belt and gloves), 1h + shield (7 impen traits, 1 reinforced on chest and defending on sword) i have about 20k hp in pvp and run arround 33k spell resist and 26k physical resist while buffed + 8% damage resist from rune, from cp i have something like 22% physical resist, +5% crit resist, + 10% spell resist and i must admit that this char is tanky as hell (despite of getting 8k lethal arrows which are rly rare), i can survive presure of 3-5 folks on me (depending on their skills) but sometimes im getting killed by just one enemy in like half a second and on my death recap i have heavy attack, sometimes even 2 + some skills (usualy ambush + surprise attack + incapacitating or crit rush + executioner + dawnbreaker). Im not trying to insinuate anything, im just look for some clues what im missing for. Can this things have something to do with ping 120-200? I know that there is something like animation canceling because im doing it to, but its impossible for me to land like 3 or more skills in ~0.5s, am i doing something wrong? This kind of things didnt happend to me before Ive took a break and now im just confused, most of the time everything seems to be as usual but from time to time im getting killed without even chance to press block or use a potion is it normal? Ive already tried to run on low details, adjust gfx settings and overall performance to keep fps as high as possible, most of the time my ping in cyro is arround 120-140, in large battles it goes up to 300 but lets be honest - even 300ms gap is even less than a half second so its rather to short to fire up like 3 or more attacks... Any advice?

You can´t annimation cancel 3 abilities in 0.5 sec. You just die fast and it probably lagged as it lags always. You just got ganked. 20k health is too low for that even if you are tanky as hell. Also resistances are bad. Impen is much better with full impen you won´t die from that.

DannyLV702

Penetration in this game is ridiculous. Someone using a sharpened 2h + surprise attack on you and that's over 10k in resistances gone from you. Now if they're also using a maul, like me, that's another 20% shaved off your resistances. That leaves you at almost 10k in physical resistance.

Dracane

Yep, usually Stamina Nightblade one shot builds.
I have 32k health and I can only survive if I break INSTANTLY and roll dodge and instantly shield up, no promise to survive it though. People with average pvp health have no chance to survive this obviously no matter if heavy armor or naked.

Your thread has a slight "I smell cheaters" touch to it. It's not cheating, cheating is a myth ahahah It's possible and I feel like it's more like exploiting game mechanics, considering that ZoS attempted many things to avoid 1 shotting in pvp, they don't want this to happen. So I think it's exploiting somehow.

Weesacs

Run radiant magelight and NBs wont one shot you from stealth as it provides 50% reduction in attacks from stealth - I dont PvP without it.

Also, if your running 1H and Shield then try blocking more as it mitigates a huge amount of damage and also prevents most CC abilities (except fear and slowing effects) - but at least you wont end up on your arse

Sharee

20K HP is very low for PvP. People will be able to CC you and kill you in the time it takes for the CC break animation to complete. You should try to get 25K at least so you can survive the burst and heal yourself back up.

Dracane wrote: »

It's not cheating, cheating is a myth ahahah

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just a quick update for everyone regarding the recent influx of those using third party tools to cheat in ESO. We've adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems to focus specifically on the cheats we've seen in the last few days, in addition to launching investigations on specific players. We've permanently banned 43 players in the last 24 hours who were found to be cheating. We don't take cheating lightly, and will continue to ban those who are found to be cheating. We'll be going back through game logs to identify players who were violating our anti-cheating policies in the hours before we performed the automatic cheat detection adjustment.

Mayrael

xblackroxe wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

First of all sorry for my english as it is far from ok, but o the topic... Im a bit confused. I had something like 10 months of break from playing ESO, I got back like month before DB went live with decision to lvlup magplar, toon is amazing, i rly enjoy playing it but... Im running 5 pieces of heavy armor, 2 light (belt and gloves), 1h + shield (7 impen traits, 1 reinforced on chest and defending on sword) i have about 20k hp in pvp and run arround 33k spell resist and 26k physical resist while buffed + 8% damage resist from rune, from cp i have something like 22% physical resist, +5% crit resist, + 10% spell resist and i must admit that this char is tanky as hell (despite of getting 8k lethal arrows which are rly rare), i can survive presure of 3-5 folks on me (depending on their skills) but sometimes im getting killed by just one enemy in like half a second and on my death recap i have heavy attack, sometimes even 2 + some skills (usualy ambush + surprise attack + incapacitating or crit rush + executioner + dawnbreaker). Im not trying to insinuate anything, im just look for some clues what im missing for. Can this things have something to do with ping 120-200? I know that there is something like animation canceling because im doing it to, but its impossible for me to land like 3 or more skills in ~0.5s, am i doing something wrong? This kind of things didnt happend to me before Ive took a break and now im just confused, most of the time everything seems to be as usual but from time to time im getting killed without even chance to press block or use a potion is it normal? Ive already tried to run on low details, adjust gfx settings and overall performance to keep fps as high as possible, most of the time my ping in cyro is arround 120-140, in large battles it goes up to 300 but lets be honest - even 300ms gap is even less than a half second so its rather to short to fire up like 3 or more attacks... Any advice?

You can´t annimation cancel 3 abilities in 0.5 sec. You just die fast and it probably lagged as it lags always. You just got ganked. 20k health is too low for that even if you are tanky as hell. Also resistances are bad. Impen is much better with full impen you won´t die from that.

As you could read i wear 7 impen + 1 reinforced so i dont think 1 impen would make a difference.

@DannyLV702 good point about penetration, ive forrgot about that maul passive as it used to be worthless... That could put some light on powerful shots i get from time to time.

@Dracane you have very good nose but im far from acusing anyone for cheating/exploiting just because i cant do the same as they do. Thats why im asking here as I can miss sime knowledge.

AJ_1988

Sharee wrote: »

20K HP is very low for PvP. People will be able to CC you and kill you in the time it takes for the CC break animation to complete. You should try to get 25K at least so you can survive the burst and heal yourself back up.

Dracane wrote: »

It's not cheating, cheating is a myth ahahah

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Just a quick update for everyone regarding the recent influx of those using third party tools to cheat in ESO. We've adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems to focus specifically on the cheats we've seen in the last few days, in addition to launching investigations on specific players. We've permanently banned 43 players in the last 24 hours who were found to be cheating. We don't take cheating lightly, and will continue to ban those who are found to be cheating. We'll be going back through game logs to identify players who were violating our anti-cheating policies in the hours before we performed the automatic cheat detection adjustment.

That's the first time I've ever seen anything about acknowledging people being banned lol. There is hope after all

Dracane

I've never seen cheats or hacks myself. I only believe what I see myself. Most of the time, it's people complaining about dying, lags or other explainable reasons.

So as long as I don't see evidence for this, I am suspicious. Not calling people or ZoS paranoid of course ! I am just naive and try to stay optimistic

Mayrael

Weesacs wrote: »

Run radiant magelight and NBs wont one shot you from stealth as it provides 50% reduction in attacks from stealth - I dont PvP without it.

Also, if your running 1H and Shield then try blocking more as it mitigates a huge amount of damage and also prevents most CC abilities (except fear and slowing effects) - but at least you wont end up on your arse

Good point about Radiant Magelight, ill definitly adjust my skills setup

Sharee

Dracane wrote: »

I've never seen cheats or hacks myself. I only believe what I see myself. Most of the time, it's people complaining about dying, lags or other explainable reasons.

So as long as I don't see evidence for this, I am suspicious. Not calling people or ZoS paranoid of course ! I am just naive

There is an official statement from ZOS that confirms people are using 3rd party hacks, and that they are getting banned for it. If that is not enough evidence for you... well, to each his own.

Wollust

Multiple possible reasons:

Health desyncs: They have become extremely common with the DB patch. Everyday some deaths from 100% - 0% in a splitsecond with stuff in your recap which just leads to the desync conclusion because otherwise not possible.
Penetration: Armor penetration is incredibly high since they changed sharpened.

Damage in general is on the highest it has been since 1.6. And NBs have an extremely potent damage tool with incap strike. Heavy attack out of stealth -> surprise attack -> incap can be done in one global cooldown and will wreck a lot of targets instantly. My highest incap crit has been 17.3k, though that was on a very very squishy target (sorc forgetting to refresh shields ).

Furthermore, 20k health is kinda low.

smtdbplus

If you see some players cod bunny hopping 1000 times from brk to sej, those can hit you 5 times in 0.1 sec.

Dracane

Sharee wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I've never seen cheats or hacks myself. I only believe what I see myself. Most of the time, it's people complaining about dying, lags or other explainable reasons.

So as long as I don't see evidence for this, I am suspicious. Not calling people or ZoS paranoid of course ! I am just naive

There is an official statement from ZOS that confirms people are using 3rd party hacks, and that they are getting banned for it. If that is not enough evidence for you... well, to each his own.

No need to be disrespectful and arrogant... I was trying to explain my opinion and stay polite
And no, this is not enough evidence for me. Don't even know what a 3rd party hack is.

Sharee

Dracane wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I've never seen cheats or hacks myself. I only believe what I see myself. Most of the time, it's people complaining about dying, lags or other explainable reasons.

So as long as I don't see evidence for this, I am suspicious. Not calling people or ZoS paranoid of course ! I am just naive

There is an official statement from ZOS that confirms people are using 3rd party hacks, and that they are getting banned for it. If that is not enough evidence for you... well, to each his own.

No need to be disrespectful and arrogant... I was trying to explain my opinion and stay polite
And no, this is not enough evidence for me. Don't even know what a 3rd party hack is.

Disrespectful and arrogant?

"Yes, the developer of the game himself confirmed cheating is real... but that is not good enough for ME!"

Oh the irony.

TheDarkShadow

These glass canons build specifically for gank and dump everything into weapon/spell damage, mag/stam, full divines, min-max race, + damage from steal, save up ulti... ect... everything to get a burst in a couple seconds. If the fight last longer, they will usually die with no sustain and low defense. The opposite of this build is a build that dump everything into defense and sustain, for example a templar blazing shield build with 40k+ health. That is the only way you can survive that burst. A balance build will usually just die to glass canon build if caught off-guard.

Mayrael

Excuse ma Dracane but i must admit that Sharee is right about CE, the thing is that everyone knows that it exists. I dont have to meet anyone using it because i dont even know if I could recognise someones using it as I dont know how CE works and what can you do with it, but if game devs are saying that it exists I think we cant argue with them on that as our knowledge about game core isnt enough. I wasnt sure what was the cause of my instant deaths and as i can see this can be something wrong with my build. I will adjust it, and hope I wont be back again with problem like this one. Thanks to evryone for advices, stay cool and respectful - we all are in this and have to stick together:)

ScruffyWhiskers

Weesacs wrote: »

Run radiant magelight and NBs wont one shot you from stealth as it provides 50% reduction in attacks from stealth - I dont PvP without it.

This.

Also prevents the stun.

Mayrael

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

These glass canons build specifically for gank and dump everything into weapon/spell damage, mag/stam, full divines, min-max race, + damage from steal, save up ulti... ect... everything to get a burst in a couple seconds. If the fight last longer, they will usually die with no sustain and low defense. The opposite of this build is a build that dump everything into defense and sustain, for example a templar blazing shield build with 40k+ health. That is the only way you can survive that burst. A balance build will usually just die to glass canon build if caught off-guard.

Thats true... If I survive initial burst usualy i can wreck any ganker, but THIS initial burst sometimes is more than enough to kill me

nine9six

Dracane wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I've never seen cheats or hacks myself. I only believe what I see myself. Most of the time, it's people complaining about dying, lags or other explainable reasons.

So as long as I don't see evidence for this, I am suspicious. Not calling people or ZoS paranoid of course ! I am just naive

There is an official statement from ZOS that confirms people are using 3rd party hacks, and that they are getting banned for it. If that is not enough evidence for you... well, to each his own.

No need to be disrespectful and arrogant... I was trying to explain my opinion and stay polite
And no, this is not enough evidence for me. Don't even know what a 3rd party hack is.

There are plenty of videos of the hacks in action. It's funny to watch to a degree.

Birdovic

Dracane wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I've never seen cheats or hacks myself. I only believe what I see myself. Most of the time, it's people complaining about dying, lags or other explainable reasons.

So as long as I don't see evidence for this, I am suspicious. Not calling people or ZoS paranoid of course ! I am just naive

There is an official statement from ZOS that confirms people are using 3rd party hacks, and that they are getting banned for it. If that is not enough evidence for you... well, to each his own.

No need to be disrespectful and arrogant... I was trying to explain my opinion and stay polite
And no, this is not enough evidence for me. Don't even know what a 3rd party hack is.

Woah, I thought you were kidding with the "Cheating is a myth" thing.
I have no idea how you could possibly miss this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EXQ5enFYh4
But there you go, look at this Evidence.

Anhedonie

3 attacks can be performed in one second if you use CE.
This isn't an ordinary animation cancelling.

Dracane

Mayrael wrote: »

Excuse ma Dracane but i must admit that Sharee is right about CE, the thing is that everyone knows that it exists. I dont have to meet anyone using it because i dont even know if I could recognise someones using it as I dont know how CE works and what can you do with it, but if game devs are saying that it exists I think we cant argue with them on that as our knowledge about game core isnt enough. I wasnt sure what was the cause of my instant deaths and as i can see this can be something wrong with my build. I will adjust it, and hope I wont be back again with problem like this one. Thanks to evryone for advices, stay cool and respectful - we all are in this and have to stick together:)

No doubt. But I haven't seen anything of that nature and maybe it's good this way. As long as they do everything to keep such things away from us, then I'm happy.

Sharee's way of saying it is unfriendly and I don't pay much attention to unfriendly replies. I prefer yours Mayrael

ManDraKE

Slot radiant magelight and is imposible to 1shoot kill you from stealth. A bit more HP helps a lot, it will give you the extra seconds you need to heal yourself. Also learn how to CC break fast, that is the most important thing in order to survive ganks, once you pass the initial burst, 90% of the gankers are ***, they won't survive 5 seconds in a fight.

Ignore the noobs telling you is a cheating problem, the "ultimate" cheat was a bug that lasted 1 week, people got banned, the bug got fixed, end of the story. You have 2 options, learn how to be better at pvp, or join the frustrated noobs that excuse themselft on cheats, is your choice young padawan

Dracane

Yep, the ult thing was merely a bug of some kind, there also was a bug where you could just spam nova.
People...

Brrrofski

I disagree about 20k health being low. My stamplar and stamsorc both run this. Full medium, full impen.

I can survive ganks and recover unless I'm dismounted or on siege.

Apart from that, it's easilly enough health for me.

How much impen are you running op?

Brrrofski

Anhedonie wrote: »

3 attacks can be performed in one second if you use CE.
This isn't an ordinary animation cancelling.

You can ambush, light atrack and suprise atrack in around that time anyway...

clayandaudrey_ESO

Dracane wrote: »

Yep, the ult thing was merely a bug of some kind, there also was a bug where you could just spam nova.
People...

Tin foil.

ManDraKE

Brrrofski wrote: »

I disagree about 20k health being low. My stamplar and stamsorc both run this. Full medium, full impen.

I can survive ganks and recover unless I'm dismounted or on siege.

Apart from that, it's easilly enough health for me.

How much impen are you running op?

yes, if you know how, you can survive most of the ganks with 20hp. But he is struggling, so a bit more hp will help him.

Wollust

Dracane wrote: »

Yep, the ult thing was merely a bug of some kind, there also was a bug where you could just spam nova.
People...

@Dracane, the cheat engine has been confirmed. Though there hasn't been any (known) cases on the EU server, it was a massive thing on NA when certain people started to jump skyhigh around in the air and drop 30 meteors in a row.
It's not the same bug you are referring to where ground based ultimates like nova or atronach could be dropped twice or even three times under certain circumstances.

Khaos_Bane

Dracane wrote: »

I've never seen cheats or hacks myself. I only believe what I see myself. Most of the time, it's people complaining about dying, lags or other explainable reasons.

So as long as I don't see evidence for this, I am suspicious. Not calling people or ZoS paranoid of course ! I am just naive and try to stay optimistic

Believing only what you see is willful ignorance, not fact. Fact is, many many players cheat, especially in PvP.