Wow the lag!

Vaoh

Laggus wrote: »

Almost appears as a DDoS this evening.

Know what the saddest part is?

The saddest part is that this performance is as bad (if not worse) than the game should perform when a DDoS attack is occurring.

Stovahkiin

I have to chuckle when I see the dozens of posts about how bad the lag is and the people posting are like, "Oh dear, sometimes my ping gets up to 300 or 400, how could I ever play in that?" I personally live out in the country in California and I have to use Hughesnet satellite internet, and let me tell you, I would be thrilled to have 400 ping all the time. But instead the best I get on a good day is 500-600 ping, and that is a very good day for me, mind you.

But you know what? Even with constant lag, I still enjoy the game, hell I've been playing other online games like SWTOR with lag for a long time, and when you play long enough you can often learn to play with the lag, maybe try avoiding things in the game that don't work well with lag or time things differently because you know there will be a delay. Hell, I've gotten to the point where I've still done really damn good in pvp despite having to do this little dance with lag. So as long as you don't get kicked back to the login screen every 5 minutes or just have everything freeze every 30 seconds ( I know that does happen sometimes, and yes it's a real pain in the pants region, I won't debate that) you can still probably play and have a good time, but of course you won't if you sit there thinking, "I have lag, therefore I have absolutely no chance of doing anything at all."

Cydone

Stovahkiin wrote: »

I have to chuckle when I see the dozens of posts about how bad the lag is and the people posting are like, "Oh dear, sometimes my ping gets up to 300 or 400, how could I ever play in that?" I personally live out in the country in California and I have to use Hughesnet satellite internet, and let me tell you, I would be thrilled to have 400 ping all the time. But instead the best I get on a good day is 500-600 ping, and that is a very good day for me, mind you.

But you know what? Even with constant lag, I still enjoy the game, hell I've been playing other online games like SWTOR with lag for a long time, and when you play long enough you can often learn to play with the lag, maybe try avoiding things in the game that don't work well with lag or time things differently because you know there will be a delay. Hell, I've gotten to the point where I've still done really damn good in pvp despite having to do this little dance with lag. So as long as you don't get kicked back to the login screen every 5 minutes or just have everything freeze every 30 seconds ( I know that does happen sometimes, and yes it's a real pain in the pants region, I won't debate that) you can still probably play and have a good time, but of course you won't if you sit there thinking, "I have lag, therefore I have absolutely no chance of doing anything at all."

Yeah lets just completely not pvp, the part of the game I(and a lot of others) enjoy the most. Lets not make complaints to ZoS in hopes they fix it instead. You are in the minority, most of us don't live out in the boonies where satellite internet is the only solution. So, sorry. I'm gonna keep complaining either till they fix it, or it gets to the point where they are completely ignoring the community with a valid gripe about the game, in which case I will quit the game, again.

Stovahkiin

By no means was I suggesting that you stop pvp, that is unless you literally cannot play due to a constant 999+ ping rate, kick to login, freezing, etc. I was mostly referring to the people who actually CAN play, and are making a huge fuss over 100-400 ping, which is far from unplayable, and that they might as well make the best of it while the lag is around. I do know that some people do experience lag issues that DO make the game, especially pvp, unplayable, and again by no means was I suggesting that people should stop telling zenimax to fix it, and I apologize for any misunderstanding considering my original post.

Vaoh

@Stovahkiin
I recommend checking out the video. Keep in mind while watching, that every single issue listed used to not even exist before TG and DB.

Doncellius wrote: »

This video is intended for ZOS to get an idea of what people have been causing an uproar over on the forums and especially in-game lately. We are told videos are the most helpful since this issue is apparently difficult to detect so here it is!

Within the video, I recorded a few instances worth looking into. It was all recorded over three or four separate days where I felt it would be worth saving clips to make a video one day. None of these situations are odd, and represent much of the "typical" gameplay in ESO atm performance-wise.

Stutters, health desyncs, FPS drops, load screens, and other performance issues make up the bulk of this video. My internet is absolutely flawless, and I triple checked my router to eliminate that avenue of escape to take the blame off ESO. I speed up long load screens and long parts of clips. Enjoy, and please fix! (boring video ahead)

P.S. A big part I missed was to include how group dungeons no longer function correctly anymore, in that there are mid-dungeon loading screens which often are permanent, enemies refusing to appear on screen, and other general performance-related issues.

https://youtu.be/_nBuKJpzQgA
NOTE: In the first and second clip, neither of the players were exploiting anything. They simply spammed one skill, yet the result was as shown on my screen (instantly killed from health desync)!

Video Clip Guide

00:00 - 00:54 Snipe Health Desync

00:55 - 01:11 Funnel Health Desync

01:12 - 02:11 vMA Crematorial Guard Health Desync (Magicka NB went from V2 to CP501. First vMA attempt and this happens -_-)

02:12 - 03:47 Stutter Performance Issue in vMA (Magicka NB went from V2 to CP501. First vMA attempt and this happens -_-)

03:48 - 04:58 Wayrest Performance: Low FPS, Cut Audio, Invisible NPCs and Guards, Player Silhouettes, Difficulties w/ World Map

04:59 - 06:53 Wayrest Performance: Low FPS, Load Screens, NPCs not spawning, Player Silhouettes, unloaded textures

06:54 - 08:20 Greenshade Performance: Multiple Load Screens, Very Little distance traveled per load screen, stuff popping in out of nowhere, etc

08:21 - 09:29 Bangkorai Performance: Same as Greenshade since the issue is universal across possibly all zones, heavily underpopulated zone yet still have load screens and character movement speed does not change this

09:30 - 09:51 Thieves Guild patch IC Arena: Back when the performance issue was still a baby Invisible meteors that are still present in the Arena!

Thalmor-Nordmaster

I think the Server is getting Confused and has a Corrupted Color Wheel

The Color Wheel shows the relationships between the colors.

The three primary colors are red(The Pact People), yellow( The Mighty THALMOR, and blue (The Fengrush army); they are the only colors that cannot be made by mixing two other colors.Although it has been noted by Cat Cat Cat Cat Khajiit that SkOOmAa will make colors swirl and talk.

The three secondary colors are green, orange, and violet; they are each a mixture of two primary colors A good example would be if the Pact and Fengrush were smushed together. Or the Dominion was grafted into the pact. Their hue is halfway between the two primary colors that were used to mix them. On the color wheel, the secondary colors are located between the colors they are made from.

The six tertiary colors (red-orange, red-violet, yellow-green, yellow-orange, blue-green and blue-violet) are made by mixing a primary color with an adjacent secondary color. On the color wheel, the tertiary colors are located between the primary and secondary colors they are made from...A perfect example is Chalman keep on any given day all of the colors jump in the mixing bowl!!!

Black, white and gray are not true colors (or hues). They are considered to be neutral, achromatic colors.Hence why we have a weird looking death recap!!!!!!!

Value refers to how light or dark a color appears. To make a color lighter in value, white is added. A light color is called a tint of the original hue. For example, pink is a tint of red. To make a color darker in value, black is added. A dark color is called a shade of the original hue. Maroon is a shade of red. This is when we are close to death and spam Vigor or BOL for like eveah!!!!

And this is why we have lag we are confusing the server Hamsters!!!!!!!

Cydone

Same crap going on tonight. Fighting only ~15 AD on Trueflame PC NA and there is a 400-600 ping that results in a laggy slide show. And there weren't that many DC around either. Probably had like 10-15 there as well. I've already cancelled my sub, those of you that like this game for it's pvp should be doing the same. There is no way that someone should be paying a $15 a mo sub for servers that can't even handle a ~15 - ~15 fight. And the thing that pisses me off the most is that they haven't even acknowledged the fact that they broke something, at least on the pvp servers, with either the TG or DB patch. With DB being the worst for lag of the two. Fix your servers ZOS! Or you're going to be having more and more ppl quit your game......AGAIN! @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_JasonLeavey

Roechacca

Cydone wrote: »

Same crap going on tonight. Fighting only ~15 AD on Trueflame PC NA and there is a 400-600 ping that results in a laggy slide show. And there weren't that many DC around either. Probably had like 10-15 there as well. I've already cancelled my sub, those of you that like this game for it's pvp should be doing the same. There is no way that someone should be paying a $15 a mo sub for servers that can't even handle a ~15 - ~15 fight. And the thing that pisses me off the most is that they haven't even acknowledged the fact that they broke something, at least on the pvp servers, with either the TG or DB patch. With DB being the worst for lag of the two. Fix your servers ZOS! Or you're going to be having more and more ppl quit your game......AGAIN! @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_JasonLeavey

Can I have your stuff?

DisgracefulMind

So glad to be on a somewhat break from pvp lag

Lokey0024

It is not lag, its turn based combat. They switched it in 1.5 and didnt tell anyone

Volrion

I thought you guys loved lag? Isn't that why we play ESO?

InfaM

They gave 1 million to a newbie player from that #MillionReasonsToPlay giveway , while they could have upgraded their servers to something decent with that money.
On EU I'm playing in cyrodiil with constant 180-200ms when ping is "good" and 400 to 999+ when it's spiking , it's just something I can't understand when I see the budget of such a company.

Even switching weapon seems slow as *** with that ping, not even talking about that perma delay on skills/potions that makes it feels like I'm downgrading my computer/internet connexion everytime I step in cyrodiil, it makes the game experience going from smooth to ***.

Right now cyrodiil is like an alpha/beta test inside the game , because that place has nothing of a finished product, it's currently still more in an alpha/beta state.

lokrian

lag is unplayable now for 2 days, get near a fight and its boot to login. The worst part is that even on a good day lag makes pvp on this game a joke, to such an extent that zos are violating their own terms of service by not providing a service that is usable for its intended purpose.

Just need some rich dude from Aus or NZ to sue

Being from NZ im sitting at 250+ ping, usually 300-400 in cyrodil.... jumping to 800-999+ on a regular basis... however ping dosent necessarily mean anything because i assume the ping readout you can get from addons etc is either world or local ping, but it dosent say which and it dosent show both.

I can go to upper craglorn, pull a group in a delve, single target down each mob in that group whilst using cc, heals etc to stay alive and actually stay alive.... go to cyrodil face one person 1v1.... i cant even bar swap with reliability... gap closer is very unreliable and any form of strategy in facing your opponent goes out the window as you end up button mashing to try and get something to go off!!!!

dosent surprise me this game is still all zergs with people spamming bows and staffs and jesus beams because doing so means they at least might hit something.

I watch a vid of like fengrush or sypher and the way they can move through a fight, target and attack people, use terrain and los people etc and i seriously wonder what game they are playing because its an impossibility to me in cyrodil.

I was killing a guard the other day outside a keep, got attacked and killed by some other dude in like 1 second.... but on reading combat log he had been attacking me while i was killing the guard for about 3-4 seconds... and he was melee... so i had him and the guard attacking me and yet for 3-4 seconds all i saw was the guard i was fighting... i actually wondered why the guard started to hit me so hard, lol!!!!

jeedrzej

Lags in ESO?
Impossible. This game is clear of them :P

outsideworld76

lokrian wrote: »

I was killing a guard the other day outside a keep, got attacked and killed by some other dude in like 1 second.... but on reading combat log he had been attacking me while i was killing the guard for about 3-4 seconds... and he was melee... so i had him and the guard attacking me and yet for 3-4 seconds all i saw was the guard i was fighting... i actually wondered why the guard started to hit me so hard, lol!!!!

Players not appearing is very common. Instadeath as well. All due to lag, it's becoming a joke. Zenimax won't fix it, they don't care.

phairdon

Lag is fairly terrible in the alliance war today. Enough to freeze the game while trying to capture a keep.

Skander

How to deal with lag in pvp:

-Restric the number of players in campains
-Let them restribute in other campains

ez

Cydone

Skander wrote: »

How to deal with lag in pvp:

-Restric the number of players in campains
-Let them restribute in other campains

ez

They need to remove the AOE cap as well. That way ppl will be less likely to be in a big zerg ball.....like when the game first came out. Yeah there was zerg's back then and yeah there was lag then, but nothing on this scale. Also, they need to restrict the campaigns to what they were before, where you couldn't have multiple toons on multiple factions on the same account in a single campaign.

Knootewoot

So, no fix for the lag yet then?

I am really thinking about returning where I left of, which is cyrodill. But I took a brake because of the insane lags i have been experiencing. I really hoped a lot of patches later there would be positive news.

If I would return now, I had about 400 CP. Would I be to far behind to be able to PvP normally?

Cydone

Knootewoot wrote: »

So, no fix for the lag yet then?

I am really thinking about returning where I left of, which is cyrodill. But I took a brake because of the insane lags i have been experiencing. I really hoped a lot of patches later there would be positive news.

If I would return now, I had about 400 CP. Would I be to far behind to be able to PvP normally?

Na you wouldn't be that far behind, but the lag is still there. Just had a 20 v 20 fight against EP and it was spiking up to 600 ping. Abilities taking like 3 seconds to fire. It's still pretty bad, as far as the lag goes.

Volrion

@lokrian Class action suit! Everybody should get on board

Knootewoot

Cydone wrote: »

Na you wouldn't be that far behind, but the lag is still there. Just had a 20 v 20 fight against EP and it was spiking up to 600 ping. Abilities taking like 3 seconds to fire. It's still pretty bad, as far as the lag goes.

Meh, kinda disappointing but was to be expected. Sadly no other huge map with castle sieges in a game exists that is on par with TESO.

Anazasi

a certain player once told me that if you spread out the groups more on the map lag wouldn't be so bad. I guess the 2 or 3 stacked raids that EP and DC have been sending to one keep is really the issue.

Oh well, enough said, stack on, play on, the lag is only part of your immersion.

Cydone

Anazasi wrote: »

a certain player once told me that if you spread out the groups more on the map lag wouldn't be so bad. I guess the 2 or 3 stacked raids that EP and DC have been sending to one keep is really the issue.

Oh well, enough said, stack on, play on, the lag is only part of your immersion.

Yeah cause AD never brings a zerg ball lol. And things were more spread out when they had like 7 servers for ppl to play on, a limit of only 1 toon per faction per account on each campaign and no aoe cap.

Anazasi

I can not fix the lag....i don't work for ZOS.
I can not fix the Zerg Ball....I only run one group-my guild

If DC or EP sends one group to a keep and AD responds with 1 group the result is less lag. I do not disagree with what was said to me in a tell from another faction player. However, when players see in zone chat FAR UA 30+ ep or DC the faction responds with numbers when available.

The law of attrition.

Herd Mentality

Today you have been schooled. Take the opportunity to learn and become better. This is not a L2P lesson.

Cydone

Anazasi wrote: »

I can not fix the lag....i don't work for ZOS.
I can not fix the Zerg Ball....I only run one group-my guild

If DC or EP sends one group to a keep and AD responds with 1 group the result is less lag. I do not disagree with what was said to me in a tell from another faction player. However, when players see in zone chat FAR UA 30+ ep or DC the faction responds with numbers when available.

The law of attrition.

Herd Mentality

Today you have been schooled. Take the opportunity to learn and become better. This is not a L2P lesson.

Yes and while the big zerg ball of EP and DC were rolling last night, my group and I were fighting between bleakers and chal, away from the zerg cause of the immense lag. And guess what? There was STILL huge amounts of lag because of the zergs going on. I try not to run with the zerg unless I'm on a new character trying to level up the alliance skill line.

frozywozy

Cydone wrote: »

Seriously! What the heck is wrong with this game. Every time I, and MANY others, get into a large-ish scale pvp battle, pings shoot up to like 400+(most times over 500). Makes pvp a laggy slide show. I don't know how many times I've hit my Ult to have it not fire at all, but take all the ultimate I've built up. This is just insane! My guild and I came back like 2-3 mos ago, because we heard about the VR stuff being removed......and we LOVE that. But this lag is turning us away again. We really only play the game to pvp. With the lag this bad, it's almost assured that we will be leaving again. PLEASE fix this! The pvp in this game is REALLY fun when there's little lag(not 400+ ping and a slide show).

Wait, you guys are an ENTIRE guild who STRICTLY PVP? This can't be true. This is most likely an error because I heard that 90% of people who play this game are pvers or rpers or guild traders and this is where the money is and where Zenimax should dedicate all their attention.. Oh wait.

Cydone wrote: »

Same crap going on tonight. Fighting only ~15 AD on Trueflame PC NA and there is a 400-600 ping that results in a laggy slide show. And there weren't that many DC around either. Probably had like 10-15 there as well. I've already cancelled my sub, those of you that like this game for it's pvp should be doing the same. There is no way that someone should be paying a $15 a mo sub for servers that can't even handle a ~15 - ~15 fight. And the thing that pisses me off the most is that they haven't even acknowledged the fact that they broke something, at least on the pvp servers, with either the TG or DB patch. With DB being the worst for lag of the two. Fix your servers ZOS! Or you're going to be having more and more ppl quit your game......AGAIN! @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_JasonLeavey

Whenever you start experiencing a huge lag fest or a slide show, open your map and look for huge cross swords. They should pop eventually if you don't see them right away. Anytime your ping goes above 400ms, this typically means that two 24men ballgroups are engaging somewhere on the map or multiple 16+men ballgroups at 3-4locations at once are dealing massive aoes to each other. No matter where you are standing from Black-boot to Kingscrest to Warden, you will experiment the same lag spikes as anybody else.

I do agree that nobody should be paying 15$ a month for such crappy performances if you strictly PVP. The only reason why I still do it is because I care for the people i've met in this game since I started playing and because of the vicious hold Zenimax has on us, people who are sub since release, if we ever decide to cancel our sub, losing almost everything in the meantime.

They should release a new sub mode less expensive for pvpers only that add specific pvp bonuses. Or we should get paid to play this still? I really don't know anymore at this point.

Roechacca

frozywozy wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Seriously! What the heck is wrong with this game. Every time I, and MANY others, get into a large-ish scale pvp battle, pings shoot up to like 400+(most times over 500). Makes pvp a laggy slide show. I don't know how many times I've hit my Ult to have it not fire at all, but take all the ultimate I've built up. This is just insane! My guild and I came back like 2-3 mos ago, because we heard about the VR stuff being removed......and we LOVE that. But this lag is turning us away again. We really only play the game to pvp. With the lag this bad, it's almost assured that we will be leaving again. PLEASE fix this! The pvp in this game is REALLY fun when there's little lag(not 400+ ping and a slide show).

Wait, you guys are an ENTIRE guild who STRICTLY PVP? This can't be true. This is most likely an error because I heard that 90% of people who play this game are pvers or rpers and this is where the money is and where Zenimax should dedicate all their attention.. Oh wait.

Yeah ya caught Us. Sometimes I RP in the PvP zones.

Cydone

frozywozy wrote: »

Cydone wrote: »

Seriously! What the heck is wrong with this game. Every time I, and MANY others, get into a large-ish scale pvp battle, pings shoot up to like 400+(most times over 500). Makes pvp a laggy slide show. I don't know how many times I've hit my Ult to have it not fire at all, but take all the ultimate I've built up. This is just insane! My guild and I came back like 2-3 mos ago, because we heard about the VR stuff being removed......and we LOVE that. But this lag is turning us away again. We really only play the game to pvp. With the lag this bad, it's almost assured that we will be leaving again. PLEASE fix this! The pvp in this game is REALLY fun when there's little lag(not 400+ ping and a slide show).

Wait, you guys are an ENTIRE guild who STRICTLY PVP? This can't be true. This is most likely an error because I heard that 90% of people who play this game are pvers or rpers and this is where the money is and where Zenimax should dedicate all their attention.. Oh wait.

Cydone wrote: »

Same crap going on tonight. Fighting only ~15 AD on Trueflame PC NA and there is a 400-600 ping that results in a laggy slide show. And there weren't that many DC around either. Probably had like 10-15 there as well. I've already cancelled my sub, those of you that like this game for it's pvp should be doing the same. There is no way that someone should be paying a $15 a mo sub for servers that can't even handle a ~15 - ~15 fight. And the thing that pisses me off the most is that they haven't even acknowledged the fact that they broke something, at least on the pvp servers, with either the TG or DB patch. With DB being the worst for lag of the two. Fix your servers ZOS! Or you're going to be having more and more ppl quit your game......AGAIN! @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_JasonLeavey

Whenever you start experiencing a huge lag fest or a slide show, open your map and look for huge cross swords. They should pop eventually if you don't see them right away. Anytime your ping goes above 400ms, this typically means that two 24men ballgroups are engaging somewhere on the map or multiple 16+men ballgroups at 3-4locations at once are dealing aoes to each other. No matter where you are standing from Black-boot to Kingscrest to Warden, you will experiment the same lag spikes as anybody else.

Well we don't STRICTLY pvp, there is SOME, albeit very little, pve that goes on. And yes, I know that the entire map will lag out if there's a big zerg battle anywhere on the map. For a modern MMO, that shouldn't be happening.

Anazasi

Oh but it does and often on True Flame. There are absolutely no mechanics in game that prevent multiple groups from stacking. There are no mechanics in game to regulate vested interest in faction or campaign. Hell, we have all often speculated how many accounts with multiple faction characters on the same campaign simply log in one to push and then log in on another to defend. This madness is all part of the ESO experience that ZOS has created. We as players do not have to try and regulate our play or play style based on the lack of the games ability to deliver what the consumer has purchased.

LAG is a result that can only be fixed by the designers and should never be coddled by the consumer. The players are not responsible for self-policing or safe guarding the limits of the server, nor are we responsible for policing the community for cheaters (not calling anyone here a cheater). We are responsible for consuming the content and gaining some form of enjoyment from it.

I believe we would all be happier if ZOS took a more active roll in policing their own game and fixing the issues once and for all.