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One Tamriel - Why is it both Exciting and Scary?

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First of all, if you live under a rock and has no clue whatsoever on what I'm talking about, read it here :smiley:
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2016/06/12/matt-firors-message-from-be3

Secondly, I know there are other threads on the matter, but I tend to write long walls of text so I thought I should rather start a new thread with my thoughts on it.

Ok, without further ado... Let's talk about One Tamriel!

One Tamriel is EXCITING!

Right, so... Before I go into what makes me worried, let me say that I'm also excited. And I mean it! One Tamriel is the game I (and many others) always wanted - the freedom to go anywhere, to mingle with people from other factions and adventure together, to have no chains or restraints telling you what you can or can not do! This is the kind of freeform experience that many people expected from ESO since it was launched. The freedom to open up your map and say "Ok, where shall we hit next?"

This is awesome! To be able to quest and explore and venture everywhere, it's really cool. Also, some regions will make much more sense now - like Wrothgar, Gold Coast, Hew's Bane... Craglorn! (Perhaps it will be fun now?) and especially Coldharbour. For me - since launch - it was a shame that Coldharbour was not shared between the three alliances. It would make sense, gameplay and lorewise, to have folks from all three alliances working together there.

So, yay! This is promising!

But...!
Not all that glitters is gold, a very wise man once wrote...

One Tamriel is SCARY!

I'm aware that we do not have enough information yet - but I think that a big E3 announcement is enough for us to conclude that these are more than just plans already - they are happening right now - and the sooner we make some things clear... the better! I don't claim to speak on behalf of a whole community, of course, but after a few conversations here and there I'm sure a lot of people see things in a similar fashion. And as a community it is important that we shed light upon all viewpoints so we can talk things through and build a better game together, don't you think, ZOS? :smile:

Most of my fears are all focused on the same thing, actually: narrative. ESO has been (so far) very successful in creating memorable, immersive narratives and characters. And I must admit that you guys have some really good skills in "continuing" those stories over new content. I mean - just look at all the build-up for Darien's storyline. The new awesome dialogue with Gabrielle Benele in Anvil. The new apparitions of "old friends" with tons of great dialogue that is only made possible because of the narrative and the stories we've been playing so far. So, it is lovely to play through a whole faction's story and regions and see all the dots connecting, all the characters evolving, the Skald-King overcoming his fears, Queen Ayrenn proving herself worthy of her crown, High-King Emeric facing his own ghosts, etc... It's awesome to meet the people we've met before in other quests, see how they are doing now - what changed in their lives, etc... - all these things are great.
And with all that in mind, here's a list (literally) of all the things concerning me:

REPUTATION
There's no numerical measurement of our reputation with different factions and entities in ESO. This is usually handled by the point in the story which you'll (in theory) be there doing that. For example, you usually start your first quests as a random "no-one", all the starter zones are regions where your character is mostly unknown and you then start to earn some respect among the faction you found yourself within after escaping Coldharbour. You usually leave the first zones as someone that ascended into the "ranks" of said faction, you become the hero of Davon's Watch, you save King Casimir of Daggerfall, you become an Eye of the Queen, etc... This is completely done through dialogues, immersion, narrative. There are no measurements of reputation and therefore no "negative" reactions. When you get to Riften, you're known as the King's Arrow - because you most likely passed through that experience (of becoming the King's Arrow by completing the Eastmarch storyline), people even greet you as the King's Arrow and all that.
If I'm allowed to quest anywhere and in any order I want, all the narratives will be disrupted and make no sense. I can go to Malabal Tor where I'm a great friend of Ayrenn and then back to Auridon where I'm unknown to her. How will the game handle this?
Will all the regions and storylines be reworked to allow this kind of rupture? Or will the game's immersive and great narrative be butchered for the sake of gameplay freedom?

STORYLINES
Just like the statement above, but regarding the regional storylines. I can see that being a smaller concern - most regions have their own storyline that is usually just loosely linked to the other regions. Let's say... the vampire crisis in Rivenspire is a story of its own (and a great one at that!) and the region can certainly be played in any order and it would make sense. However there are some instances where the regional storylines do connect and form a major narrative. The whole Aldmeri Dominion storyline recaps itself over and over - being the continuous journey of Ayrenn to gather support - and there are several mentions of Estre as a dead traitor (for example) on later regions that would make no sense if you don't even played Auridon first. What about the Pact fighting together in the Rift only to go back to Eastmarch where it is being formed? And all the other cases around the game. Once again the question is the same: will the great narratives and stories of ESO be butchered for that?

ALLEGIANCE
Over the course of the game, you "kind of" pledge your allegiance to different factions and sides on the war. For example, you clearly work for each Alliance, you become an agent of the Queen in the Dominion, you work with the Pact military in the Pact and even act as some kind of personal confidant/champion to Emeric in the Covenant. This allegiance always reflected your chosen alliance - which will still "function normally" in PVP - and we always had the excuse of just being experiencing "How it would have been" in Cadwell's Silver and Gold - and never simultaneously. But now that players would have the freedom to go anywhere, how could that work? One could literally work for the three factions simultaneously without any real consequence. This kind of trivializes the idea of the three alliances, and just turns all their stories and quests into random, generic "Fetch" or "slay" quests. I mean, I'm not really a Queen's Eye, am I? I can just go to Eastmarch and become the hero of the Pact. Hooray!

TRAVEL & EXPLORATION
There's no other possible way for players from one faction to travel to another faction's territory if not by Wayshrine. And that scares me because when you start, you have this amazing feeling of a huge, living world that you can explore but you have to start from there - from where you are left. This happens naturally when you can only explore your own faction - and all the places we know and go to, all our journeys started from that single point where we were in the beginning. Now, giving players access to the other factions right off the bat by giving them access to their wayshrines across the continent would trivialize and ruin this sense of exploration and discovery. You don't have to "walk" to places - you can just teleport to the other side of the world. I honestly see only one way to make this less "impacting": to create a network of ship travels (NPCs, like we do now for some areas) that connect the different factions in a more... travel/immersion friendly way. Of course, once they are there, they discover the Wayshrines and everything works just like it does now - but getting there for the first time should require a boat travel or something like that. - giving wayshrines all across Tamriel to a new characters would just look so disencouraging :(

THINGS PEOPLE WILL MISS
I have this friend who recently started playing and before getting his first character to level 20, he went to Wrothgar and now The Gold Coast. This is great - and I love the fact that people have the freedom to do so. But, for obvious reasons, he "lost" a lot of great dialogues and (re)encounters with characters and stories he doesn't know yet. This will become the norm, I'm afraid. But more important than that is - will the content be retroactively updated?
What I mean is: for example, we have Raynor Vanos and his sister in The Gold Coast. If I meet them in the Pact for the first time and then I meet them in the Gold Coast, they will recognize me and treat me as an old friend. Awesome! But if I meet them in the Gold Coast first and then I meet them in the Pact regions, will they have updated dialogue for the old Pact quests? Or will we just witness an awkward Raynor that suffers from amnesia and will not recognize you? Like I said above, ZOS has always delivered AMAZING connections between characters and storylines - and opening everything up for everyone, anytime, will completely mess up logic. The more content is released, the more complex and deep the "webs" of possibilities will become. For most stories and characters to keep making sense, they'll have to be constantly updated and have new dialogue added so they can "support" their other appearances around the world. And all that will lead to an unending and confusing vortex that will result in one out of 3 things: 1- things will simply get messy and nonsensical, ruining the characters, their stories and the immersion. 2- ZOS will have a lot of trouble and effort keeping everything consistent - which is unlikely because it's a garganthuan effort, really. 3- To not "mess up", it will be easier to just make new original characters for each piece of content that we will never meet again. Boooooring.

Well, all in all, I think I've covered most of my points. Can't remember now if there was anything else. But as you can all see, it all floats around the same thing - something that has been the strongest, most important "pillar" in ESO and what it makes it so different and amazing for me: how the whole world is connected and living and immersive, how all the stories make sense and connect to each other and work really well in delivering an amazing experience that combines a great gameplay with an even greater game world.

This IS an Elder Scrolls Game, and problems aside, the living world is what makes it so. My fears is that a simple "opening" of all the factions to everyone, a simple "removal" of all the level restrictions over content and all that will, of course, bring another element from the Elder Scrolls games into ESO (Freedom)... but at which cost?
Is it really worth it?
What will we be losing, throwing away for the sake of that?

So, I don't like to finish posts on a "pessimist" note, so I'll point out 3 possible ways things could be done. Of course, as stated before, we have no information yet to know how things will work. But it's best to start talking about them sooner than later.
  1. The WORST possible scenario: That's it. Exactly what's promised: Level restrictions removed, faction restrictions removed, all factions sharing the same maps but no changes whatsoever. Chaos ensues, all the issues aforementioned become a reality, the game grows and attracts more players but loses all the immersion and amazing narratives and connections it once had. It becomes a formless blob of fragmented stories that barely have any context to them except for the fact that you seem to be important somehow to people you don't even know for reasons you probably don't understand. Yay!
  2. The BEST possible scenario: A complete review and revamp of all the 15 main faction regions in the game (plus tutorial zones), completely adding and rewriting dialogue and such to adapt to all the aforementioned situations. This would be a COLOSSAL work for ZOS, demanding entire regions and storylines to be rewritten considering different possibilities and such. It would be pretty much like making a new game, highly improbable that they would take this road but it would be the best possible road. Ideally, each faction would have their set of "dialogues" for quests in other faction's regions that would change all the context behind the quests but not the quests themselves. For example, saving the Skald-King could have him ask it of you as a Pact friend (if you're pact) or as a friendly foreigner (if not Pact). The quests stay the same but their stories change in a way that would make sense. This is impossible, too much work. Just pointing it out anyway.
  3. The most PLAUSIBLE scenario: A cautious, well crafted revamp. This would demand a lot of work from ZOS, but it is possible - to try and "draw" a single line of quests from each faction that best reflects the natural progression of that faction's storyline and enforce linearity just upon this certain line of quests. All the rest is freely accessible - other quests, delves, the regions themselves, etc. But, somehow, the "main essence" of the stories are kept together by carefully changing and adapting this one chain of quests from each faction. Also, special factional quests to "introduce" new regions/other faction's regions in a way that all the other contexts in said regions make sense. A lot of logistical work but not really much content work, this makes this way the most plausible, coherent way to do One Tamriel without ruining the game.

As always, this is just my opinion :smiley: I really love ESO, though - so I feel I must say it all regardless. :blush:
Hopefully something good can come out of it and, as usual, feel free to comment, say your opinion, agree or disagree, etc...

Thanks for the read :smiley:
Edited by DaniAngione on June 13, 2016 5:03AM
  • IOUAT
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    it is excting and yes also scary.. exciting cause it prolly should have been there in the begginning. scary because it took so long to get here and now things are really going to change
  • L2Pissue
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    whatever attracts random players to purchase ESO will be featured in ESO, it doesnt matter if they play ESO after purchasing it or not.
    player base decreasing -> developers must work around by "adding new social features"


    in the following months/years you will be able to visit other faction players and quest together, or have cross faction map( DLC ) its how the game was designed.. to be future proof if its played by hundred thousands of players or couple thousands. ( thats why back in the day you never needed cross faction grouping, there was just too many players everywhere, compared to today)

    IMO, ESO the most modern MMO where it kept its investment/profits ratio pretty extreme to each other (minimal investment versus maximal profits) and survived.
    thats why you see PvP aspect of ESO being neglected of proper attention and fixes..bugs repairs are bi-yearly and so on
    because it yields 0 profits compared to a chicken costume or argonian lizards and cats DLCs
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    ZOS should read this. I agree 100%.

    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, please pass this to the dev team, they should really consider letting us know how this particular thing is going to work when it releases.
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    I'm going to assume they meant that the exploration content would become unrestricted, not the main questlines. I highly doubt they'd give us the freedom to do all three Alliance questlines at the same time.
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  • Paraflex
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    It's super [snip] and not creative sure it caters to casual players but at the end of the day is there a new dungeon,zone,trial,Pvp instance or housing ? Nothing new with this news it's garbage. They pleased maybe 20% of the population which will be the casuals and new people playing the game.

    It's pretty easy to tell they are focusing on other projects

    [edited for bashing]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on January 5, 2025 1:24PM
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  • SlayerTheDragon
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    I have just one BIG issue with this move:

    The game will become difficult for new players, but a cake walk for experience (CP) players.

    Thank you.
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    Paraflex wrote: »
    It's super [snip] and not creative sure it caters to casual players but at the end of the day is there a new dungeon,zone,trial,Pvp instance or housing ? Nothing new with this news it's garbage. They pleased maybe 20% of the population which will be the casuals and new people playing the game.

    It's pretty easy to tell they are focusing on other projects

    I don't think they've pleased casuals, it's easy to say that and blame this change on them, but I think people who play very little will not even notice this change. Player housing on the other hand could keep a great many people happy.

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    Edited by ZOS_Icy on January 5, 2025 1:25PM
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    Paraflex wrote: »
    It's super [snip] and not creative sure it caters to casual players

    You say it like it's derogatory. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being "casual". :/

    [edited to remove quote]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on January 5, 2025 1:25PM
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    Your correct there is nothing wrong it being casual and I mean no offense to casual players but I would of hoped they had more depth in the news and creativity. This is boaring and lame news to me and most Pvp players.
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  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    One simple solution: If you are aligned AD in the beginning, I would design the game such that town guards see you as the enemy. You're an outlaw until you get Meridia's help in the matter. Just an idea, but its not much different in previous TES games where you CAN go to a place, but it isn't always expedient or safe to do so.
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    I think the real thing that is scary here is going to be the lag. I mean we have hit the 3 to 4 minute loading screens in our undated enclaves just imagine it with 3 factions running around. Its going to be a nightmare at peak hours. I really thing this change is cool from a rp prospective but for the love of god stop changing things in this game for rpers please. What else are you going to change to benefit them? Why not help the people that truly want to make your game take off want to make in competitive? It's uterly insane how much you guys are willing to change for them and not for the people who truly enjoy the combat, the machanics, the detailed rotation and people who want to squeeze out every advantage. I just hope you guys soon realize who your real fans are before you lose them, because at this rate believe me it's coming. You add unwanted traits to already ridiculous rng layers, you remove traits that people want, you refuse to a dress issues in every trial, and worst of all perhaps is you claim tonight that you "listen" to your community but when the polls on the forums are taken and a counted for you do the opposite of the majority. I starting to question why people even post on your forums, because it is pretty clear you don't give a *** about what we have to say.
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    Nice summary, @DaniAngione ! I agree completely that something needs to be put into place to make sure storyline advancement still "makes sense".

    @The_Rooster24 I don't think there will be any issue with lag. Consider the current setup where you have 90 DC players in one instance of Glenumbra, 90 EP in a second, and 90 AD in a third. This will just become 30 DC, 30 EP and 30 AD in each of those three instances, so the overall server load will be the same.
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    This would be a good time to also introduce duells. So I can challenge players from the same alliance and duell them. Since all players in pve will now be considered allies....

    I don't know, I myself don't tolerate daggerfall and ebonheart players and I will not be happy to have them around me all the time. Would be cool to be able to teach them a lesson. I'm definately going to wear my Fist of the Thalmor tabbart in pve as well, to show them what my point of view is.
    Edited by Dracane on June 13, 2016 10:28AM
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    REPUTATION
    There's no numerical measurement of our reputation with different factions and entities in ESO. This is usually handled by the point in the story which you'll (in theory) be there doing that. For example, you usually start your first quests as a random "no-one", all the starter zones are regions where your character is mostly unknown and you then start to earn some respect among the faction you found yourself within after escaping Coldharbour. You usually leave the first zones as someone that ascended into the "ranks" of said faction, you become the hero of Davon's Watch, you save King Casimir of Daggerfall, you become an Eye of the Queen, etc... This is completely done through dialogues, immersion, narrative. There are no measurements of reputation and therefore no "negative" reactions. When you get to Riften, you're known as the King's Arrow - because you most likely passed through that experience (of becoming the King's Arrow by completing the Eastmarch storyline), people even greet you as the King's Arrow and all that.
    If I'm allowed to quest anywhere and in any order I want, all the narratives will be disrupted and make no sense. I can go to Malabal Tor where I'm a great friend of Ayrenn and then back to Auridon where I'm unknown to her. How will the game handle this?
    Will all the regions and storylines be reworked to allow this kind of rupture? Or will the game's immersive and great narrative be butchered for the sake of gameplay freedom?

    STORYLINES
    Just like the statement above, but regarding the regional storylines. I can see that being a smaller concern - most regions have their own storyline that is usually just loosely linked to the other regions. Let's say... the vampire crisis in Rivenspire is a story of its own (and a great one at that!) and the region can certainly be played in any order and it would make sense. However there are some instances where the regional storylines do connect and form a major narrative. The whole Aldmeri Dominion storyline recaps itself over and over - being the continuous journey of Ayrenn to gather support - and there are several mentions of Estre as a dead traitor (for example) on later regions that would make no sense if you don't even played Auridon first. What about the Pact fighting together in the Rift only to go back to Eastmarch where it is being formed? And all the other cases around the game. Once again the question is the same: will the great narratives and stories of ESO be butchered for that?

    Just a note on this... you can already skip ahead zones within your faction, so this is really a non-issue with One Tamriel.
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    Just a note on this... you can already skip ahead zones within your faction, so this is really a non-issue with One Tamriel.

    Yes, that's true, I know :)
    The tricky thing is the level, however. Right now you can skip zones but doing so also means going to a zone that's like several levels above your own (or more). Though that's relatively plausible for veteran players, players with a lot of CP and such... these players have already seen the story and it's not an issue.

    New players progressing through the regions for the first time will likely not skip zones because of that, the level difference. Someone that's still learning and has almost no skills nor cp won't go to a level 30 region being a level 15. The level progression does that: it ensures the linear progression of the story.

    That's the tricky thing that, when removed, will not function as a narrative guide for players anymore :P
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    I dont really believe the devs havent thouight about the problems of quest continuity and making things match up.It would be a huge mistake and I dont think they would do this without having thought about how it will play out.
    Leaving things just hanging out there would be a serious game breaker,as questlines are perhaps the main importance in the game.
    (although PvPers dont believe this to be true)
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    Yeah, I hope they have a plan, too... but some official word to calm our hearts down would be nice :smiley:
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    Nice summary, @DaniAngione ! I agree completely that something needs to be put into place to make sure storyline advancement still "makes sense".

    @The_Rooster24 I don't think there will be any issue with lag. Consider the current setup where you have 90 DC players in one instance of Glenumbra, 90 EP in a second, and 90 AD in a third. This will just become 30 DC, 30 EP and 30 AD in each of those three instances, so the overall server load will be the same.

    Is this really going to happen, THREE separate server instances?

    From the way it sounds, they are going to lump EVERYONE together; alliance, starter zone WITH Cadwell Silver and Gold zone.

    This would create 270 folks, plus the obviously lower numbers (maybe at least 90) from Cad's Sil/Gold, for 4X the amount you describe.

    If there are still going to be 3 instances, that would certainly aid in server lag, but how will they allow folks to play together then...do we move from instance to instance like "universe" switching in other MMOs?
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    Morimizo wrote: »
    Enodoc wrote: »
    Nice summary, DaniAngione ! I agree completely that something needs to be put into place to make sure storyline advancement still "makes sense".

    The_Rooster24 I don't think there will be any issue with lag. Consider the current setup where you have 90 DC players in one instance of Glenumbra, 90 EP in a second, and 90 AD in a third. This will just become 30 DC, 30 EP and 30 AD in each of those three instances, so the overall server load will be the same.

    Is this really going to happen, THREE separate server instances?

    From the way it sounds, they are going to lump EVERYONE together; alliance, starter zone WITH Cadwell Silver and Gold zone.

    This would create 270 folks, plus the obviously lower numbers (maybe at least 90) from Cad's Sil/Gold, for 4X the amount you describe.

    If there are still going to be 3 instances, that would certainly aid in server lag, but how will they allow folks to play together then...do we move from instance to instance like "universe" switching in other MMOs?
    The game does this already. It dynamically creates new instances ("shards") of zones to put players into in order to regulate population numbers. When you group up with friends, using "travel to player" will put you in their shard. You may even have noticed sometimes when you first form a group and choose a meeting point, your group only appears as their markers, and not their characters. This is because their characters are in a different shard to you.

    For example, right now, there could be six DC shards of Glenumbra, each with 200 players in (I have no idea what the capacity is like, so 200 is completely random). There would then be a couple of AD shards, each with maybe 150 players in, and a single EP shard with 50 players. That's 1550 players total in 9 separate instances of Glenumbra.
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    Thanks for the explanation, @Enodoc . I guess they tried to cram everyone into the same shard for those pictures then? No wonder that was bad...

    Also, there will no longer be lower population areas, like Khenarthi's Roost on Cadwell's Gold; every "shard" will most likely be full, so we can expect Mournhold trading district framerates in many areas. Ick.

    I agree with OP, narrative without serious adjustment is going to be non-sensical; feel sympathetic to those just starting the game who like good, cohesive story-telling. It's like reading random pages of a book, in any order.
    Edited by Morimizo on June 13, 2016 9:19PM
  • Silverado
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    Honestly, I'll still play through each zone in order so I don't miss any dialogue etc. other people can miss out on the dialogue and such. for all I care. How others play won't affect me at all.
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    Excitement = Freedom to go where you want whenever you want without having to do anything first.
    Terror = One step further to the entire game being endgame right from the start.
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  • DaniAngione
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    Silverado wrote: »
    Honestly, I'll still play through each zone in order so I don't miss any dialogue etc. other people can miss out on the dialogue and such. for all I care. How others play won't affect me at all.

    That's quite short sighted, to be honest.

    Yeah, I've played the entire game already, I've seen all the stories already, yet why do I care? Why do I worry about how will others experience the game if it won't affect me at all?

    Because I like the game and I want it to grow and to keep playing for as long as more engaging content is delivered. However, one of the things that are most praised about ESO everywhere - even when it was launched full of bugs and problems - it's the storytelling, the narrative, the characters, the quests with more story and purpose to them other than "kill 10 wolves".

    One Tamriel puts this high quality characteristic of the game at risk. Which could turn away a lot of potential new players that start to get lost (because they don't know the right order to do things like we do) and things like that. Turning away people and such could lead to an earlier downfall to the game, not to mention the problems of dimming communities (lack of groups, dead trade, etc...)

    So, yeah, I do care about how others play and experience the game because as a member of a community it is our role to help Zenimax see things that perhaps they can't from their angle - and ensure a better experience for everyone, new and old players alike.
    Of course, as stated more than once, this whole thread is just my opinion on the matter. But I still think that it's important to shed light on it, even if it turns out I'm wrong. I won't mind being wrong (I'll be glad, actually). I just want the best for the game.
  • kyle.wilson
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    I wonder if this could be more for server optimization. As currently, most pve zones, outside the starting zone, are usually empty.

    Maybe they could redirect server performance to the pvp servers to fix the terrible lag.
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    While ESO is story-driven, I never felt comfortable with any game, which wanted to force me to do the "main quest" - tbh I am not fond of the main quest and I give a damn about Molag Bal - others can solve this problem, it is not mine at all and I do not want to have to do with it either.

    So to me "one Tamriel" is great, I can just skip the main quest and have a good time in Tamriel, just like I had it in other TES games, where I skipped the main quest as well with pretty much all characters but one - one will do it, the rest will just ignore it and be fine - I can do the story with one, and the rest can give a damn about it. I will not be forced to play through it 8-12 times. And this is great, I love it. And I do as well not have to do most of the quest in a starter area - I can be more picky with what I want to do and what I want to ignore and just go on and quest where I have an interest to do the quest. No damned starter area fetch quests anymore - that is really great.
    Edited by Lysette on June 14, 2016 3:06PM
  • The_Saint
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    Exciting:
    All dungoens will get max lvl, also AA, HR and DSA
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/comment/3072540/#Comment_3072540 (german)

    Scary:
    Walk around see some pvp "friends" and dont get teleportstrike or Radiant oppression
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  • Ravinsild
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    We are going to get the worst case scenario. They don't do anything worth that much effort unless they can put their hand out and pout and say "MONEY PWEASE!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5Tx2FN9vO8
    Edited by Ravinsild on June 14, 2016 3:26PM
  • DaniAngione
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    Ravinsild wrote: »
    We are going to get the worst case scenario. They don't do anything worth that much effort unless they can put their hand out and pout and say "MONEY PWEASE!"

    Yeah, I'm afraid of that too... :(
    But I can't believe it, lol... I mean... How can their writers and such agree with this? They really love their stories and characters, we know they do, we've seen they talk about that several times before... Are they really ok with such butchering? :neutral:

    I suppose that lore-wise they can justify the big mess it will become with "Well, that was a hell of a dragon break!" lol.
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    @DaniAngione

    Thank you for this thread, it sums my exitement as well as my fears nicely.

    As for your possible scenarios: Right now I finally go through cadwells gold ... and there are alot of awkward NPC encounters that totally neglect that i did meet them before, killed molag already and the planemelt has been stoped already.

    Sure, cadwells silver and gold are the storylines "as they could have been" ... yet, it just doesn't feel "right" and for me it currently is a reason to loose interest in progressing by questing. The loss of immersion by bending the narrative is real and annoying, I really do not want to know how it feels when the story is broken up all together.

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    Great post @DaniAngione! ZOS should read this, tough I'm sure they're thinking in all these aspects and how to implement it. Let's wait for more information.
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