Take the friggin timer penalty off the autogrouper

radiostar

So a leader makes a group, gets 4 of us together to accept the group and then decides to go afk for WHO KNOWS HOW LONG? And we get penalized 15 minutes for leaving b/c the *** leader is nowhere to be found?

That's a crock and you know it, Z.

Psyonico

Thats an unfortunate consequence of something that is, for the most part, an improvement. The idea of the penalty is to prevent people from quitting a team instantly when they don't like the team comp/they don't like the particular random dungeon, etc.

radiostar

NOT in the above instance, and Z knows it.

dpencil

Could yall not have vote kicked the leader?

Reykice

Can`t make it perfect but it is what people asked for. Now you can`t just keep queueing and leaving until you find the correct "random" dungeon and so on.

You also have a vote kick option to use and kick afk players.

radiostar

No, we cant vote kick when it's the leader and their friend making the group (which we DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE JOIN).

Z knows exactly what I'm talking about, and they need to get their behinds in gear and FIX!!

If everyone else is subject to a 15-minute penalty, they better make the leader--the one who initiated the group--subject to a lockdown when they formulate the group.

You make a group, you take a group. And you don't go afk for 10 freaking minutes after people joined up.

WhiteNoiseMaker

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

I'm not fond of the 15 min timer myself, though for different reasons. On several occasions I've loaded into a dungeon only to have one of the following happen:

1) Instantly ejected as the group disbanded before I even finished loading. This happened over a dozen times in a single night. I wasted over two hours simply cooling my heals and trying to requeue each time repeatedly through no fault of my own. Collective punishment is not cool just because of one ***''s disbanding.

2). Kicked from group as soon as I loaded in, once because of an oversized group, and twice presumably because the group were looking for some particular CP level and/or class.

3) Someone queued for the wrong setting, i.e. veteran instead of normal or vice versa.

Honestly I don't think the 15 minute timer adds anything to the game. I think it was an answer in search of a nonexistent problem. :-/

*Edited to tag ZOS's attention to the timer complaints*

Farorin

The 15 minute timer sucks. Since it's implementation finding groups is sooo much harder, and I notice a lot of people are avoiding using the group finder again.

Before it was implemented, finding groups was easy, and so what if some jerk left? Given a couple minutes you would find another group or another group member. Compared to now, that was way better.

FrostFallFox

What is this timer? I'm on console

Zerok

FrostFallFox wrote: »

What is this timer? I'm on console

Coming to you soon.

Ep1kMalware

I'm not oposed to a timer, but I am opposed to having one in the current state the tool/game is in. The grouping tool is infamous for its bugs, and isnt particularly functional.

They need to remove it, implement some addon feature, listen to pts, add in more groupable content: dsa/new dungeons to motivate more players. THEN, implement penalties. We dont want a broken tool that's used largely bored players who dont care.
else we could always troll the finder until enough rage is on the forums that they finally undo their mistake.

Blevil

Well I agree on that timer impacting negatively due to the buggy state of group finder. If group finder was efficient then I could see the positive as to keep players from joining then leaving when they are not in the right group/dungeon. however, giving me a 15min wait time for leaving a group of 4+ or a group that has a player AFK is unacceptable.

MasterSpatula

The penalty is there for a darned good reason. The side effects aren't as bad as the disease.

Ep1kMalware

MasterSpatula wrote: »

The penalty is there for a darned good reason. The side effects aren't as bad as the disease.

no the disease is the buggy group finder.

Troneon

Its a stupid thing to have a penalty system on top of a buggy crap group finder...

Xylphan

Troneon wrote: »

Its a stupid thing to have a penalty system on top of a buggy crap group finder...

How are you guys even seeing this penalty? I haven't been able to find a group through group finder since DB launched. They need to roll back the changes for group finder to pre-DB. Sure it was buggy, but at least you could get into dungeons.

Serenityx

Is this 15 minute penalty added with DB?? If so I can not wait for this on console. People dumping groups (QQ is a plague on most team based games on Xbox anyways) after a single wipe/mistake is a huge problem from my experience in PvE.

Mojmir

i havent used the group finder since before craglorn came out,LOL GitGuilds

DocFrost72

My personal favorite is getting a couple buddies together specifically for the purpose of leveling toons. We all hop on our 30s, cause lack of gear and SP isn't a big d-

You have been placed in a group for white gold tower (normal)!

LOL, more like a random "take a mandatory 15 minute break" group.

NewBlacksmurf

Why not just vote to kick, or was this not a manual group in queue?

KallistaBlackheart

ohhhhhh no dps meters, not allowed to kick as lead anymore, penalties for leaving sucky groups... all reasons you are seeing fewer tanks and heals in the que.....

KhajiitiLizard

I haven't been queuing up with my tank or healer because I can't even find a group in a reasonable time anymore. Pre-DB I could get a group in less than 30 seconds at times. Now? Still waiting.

Troneon

KhajiitiLizard wrote: »

I haven't been queuing up with my tank or healer because I can't even find a group in a reasonable time anymore. Pre-DB I could get a group in less than 30 seconds at times. Now? Still waiting.

Pretty sure the old broken bugs from last year are back with the LFG...

binho

a very bad idea!

Garldeen

On the whole it is a good idea, poorly done. Other games have conditions to the time penalty, ie if you quit a group within 5 or 10 mins then you get the penalty. That works well enough to stop people instantly leaving, yet 5 mins isn't too long to wait if you cannot vote kick someone. Other way of doing it is your first group quit is free, the second one gets five min wait, third 10 mins and so on for a 24 hour period.

Mojmir

another band aid fix

lDcoyl

Is it fair to keep players tied to a group, when the team doesn't function well together and many deaths occur?

This is something that worries me as a ps4 player awaiting this update.

It also worries me that I have seen many complaints about the finder being broken since patch!
Does that mean we inherit this bug, and then have to wait weeks and weeks before its fixed?

Rune_Relic

WAI.
Many people complaining appear to be the ones it was aimed at.
kick..kick...kick...kick...kick...kick
The tool is there for you to group up.
Not cherry pick who you get grouped with.
You cherry pick....youre punished.

The fact the OP happened to get an arse makes no difference to the design intent of the timer.
Who may have had a genuine emergency or call of nature anyway.
Vote to kick the leader.
You had no reason to leave the group.

hamburgerler76

radiostar wrote: »

So a leader makes a group, gets 4 of us together to accept the group and then decides to go afk for WHO KNOWS HOW LONG? And we get penalized 15 minutes for leaving b/c the *** leader is nowhere to be found?

That's a crock and you know it, Z.

on console so dont have update yet but i thought they added vote to kick just for this reason where the group leader can no longer remove people anyone can no start up a vote to kick

Ep1kMalware

Rune_Relic wrote: »

WAI.
Many people complaining appear to be the ones it was aimed at.
kick..kick...kick...kick...kick...kick
The tool is there for you to group up.
Not cherry pick who you get grouped with.
You cherry pick....youre punished.

The fact the OP happened to get an arse makes no difference to the design intent of the timer.
Who may have had a genuine emergency or call of nature anyway.
Vote to kick the leader.
You had no reason to leave the group.

Woah, QQ more why dont you? If you hate getting kicked so mich dont be a light armour petbuild sorc tank/hea;er spa,ming wrecking blow.

lDcoyl

Rune_Relic wrote: »

WAI.
Many people complaining appear to be the ones it was aimed at.
kick..kick...kick...kick...kick...kick
The tool is there for you to group up.
Not cherry pick who you get grouped with.
You cherry pick....youre punished.

The fact the OP happened to get an arse makes no difference to the design intent of the timer.
Who may have had a genuine emergency or call of nature anyway.
Vote to kick the leader.
You had no reason to leave the group.

Kind of disagree with you here. Its not always about cherry picking. Some players dont work well with others, it's unfortunate that every now and again a poor team is put together. Sometimes adjustments have to be made. I don't think people should be forced to play in a group thats not working for them.