Should I stop with Sorcerer before I even really begin?

GawdSB

I've been playing for about 3-4 days now as a Sorcerer, which is currently my first and only class. I've been reading the forum lately and it looks like they class is pretty useless and I rather not waste my time on it if so. Does anybody know if there are plans to change the class at all?

MuddledMuppet

They're fun, can be great for solo pve, were previously op now have arguably been battered with the nerfhammer, they 'may' get some love again in the future, hard to say.

Probably worth having one for the different plays it gives, if your aim is to be leet or do the most challenging content there's better choices.

DHale

I regret putting all the time I did into leveling a sorc undaunted nine 300 skill points. I hope they will get put back to their former glories. But I doubt it. Until then I am making her my crafter.

NordSwordnBoard

Keep playing your sorcerer if you enjoy it. Your play style should hardly be affected by DB changes if you aren't used to the role yet anyway. Sorcerer may be more difficult to play than the other 3 classes but that's a heavily opinionated minefield.

PvE or PvP, Sorcerers will be more rare but not yet extinct. ZOS is always changing things, so I think its safe to say they will change the class but to what extent and how much is where the forum speculation comes in.

phairdon

Which aspect of the game are you playing? Has two level 50 sorcs, former vr16. Gone through this game without trouble, pve wise. Take into account I do not play the alliance war or run veteran dungeons.

dennissomb16_ESO

Forums can be tricky. If Sorcerer is really the play style you like, then go for it. After every major DLC there is a class that feels like they have been wronged and the forums will blow up with doom and gloom. All classes are pretty cool and while there is some ebb and flow as to which class is weakest/strongest after big changes players always figure it out and surprise surprise all is not as bad as forums say

nine9six

If you enjoy your Sorc don't worry what a few people have to say on the forums.

Victus

Yeah I still like my magicka Sorc in PvE. If you enjoy it, I'd say keep playing. I, however, am kicking around making a stamina sorc with one of my new 4 character slots and I am lingering on that issue.

Nestor

OP, what sucks this month will be strong the next. Not too long ago, Sorcerers were OP, just before that, they were not, just before that they were OP. The Pendulum of Power swings both ways.

Also, the people who complain the most about Classes being weak, or strong, are those who are doing 1vX PvP and Trials (end game dungeons) and care about leaderboard times.

As for PvE content, a Sorcerer can be just as effective as any other class. In fact, since you were not playing a sorcerer before in this game, you have not learned any bad habits you have to break, so you will have an easier time of it.

The best thing you can do is to level a character in each of the 4 classes. This way as the Balances change in the game, you can bring up whatever Class is preferred or desired and play them, and park the other one until they change the balance again.

So, bottom line, if you are having fun with your sorcerer, keep playing them. If your goal is to be at the top of the Trials Leaderboards, or own Cyrodiil in 1vX, then, well, go ahead and level the Sorcerer to 50, then go level another Class. Depending on how fast you level, you could hit 50 on your Sorcerer just as the game balance swings back to their favor.

Tryxus

People on these forums tend to exaggerate, espacially when the grass on the other classes looks greener

Play the game the way you want and enjoy it the way you like

RoyJade

The class is good before high-end game and solo/high level pvp. Before this moment, you can enjoy the class.
And more : you can enjoy it, and then try an another character when you reach a good number of cp.

Emma_Overload

I've really been enjoying my Sorc's new life as a PvE healer, doing both normal and veteran pledges. The Twilight heal is really strong, at least as good as Templars' Breath of Life, and the Twilight almost never dies. I'm always scared I'm gonna get kicked because some jerks insist on a Templar, but it hasn't happened yet.

Beardimus

Really don't take this forum as gospel man, as nestor says every class has its day. Play what you enjoy. The comments on here are regarding specific play styles. Alot of the comments are about shield timer Nerf, man if my shield lasted 6 seconds in PvP I'd be happy!

GawdSB

Haha, alright. I'll continue my Sorcerer, I'll just create another class as well. I just didn't want to put my time into something that would end up being useless. Thanks for the replies.

dodgehopper_ESO

You might have fun as a Stamina Sorcerer. If you're a robe-wearing, staff-wielding, lightning-chucker then you might take pause. The real issue is how fast you are going to build up as a character. If you're slow paced, by the time you built something else it might be nerfed as well. I have a friend who has played this game with me since the first few months of the game. He keeps jumping on what seems to him 'the best' build at the time. He's very devoted to it. Changes to game systems make him very unhappy, and then he leaves and reappears to play something else. He's a pvp-er and he does love the game. The difference between he and I is quite simple. I like pvp more than pve, but I do enjoy running through the story and the occassional trial or dungeon or whatnot. I'm not averse to pve, and I like exploring new content when they release it because it gives me my new dosage of Elder Scrolls. Its a lot like Cryptic was able to string me along with a steady dosage of Star Trek Online. I still even like to hop on STO and run the new stories from time to time, but they wrecked pvp so bad in that game at one point, that I lost all interest in serious gameplay there (that and their cash shop has become atrocious in my view). The point I'm trying to make is that my interests have been diverse in ESO and this has allowed me to stand the test of time. My first character was always a Warrior-Templar, which has definitely gone through rough patches in the last couple years. My second serious character was my Altmer M-Sorcerer which played very strongly for a very long time. I'd almost say this character was the most stable in terms of awesomeness up until recent times. I've not played him as seriously in the last six months though, and I recognize the flaws with a lot of what is going on. I've also built an Argonian NB (which on any given day is actually my favorite character to play, although its a toss up with that character and the Warrior Temp) and a Dunmer M-DK.

I've got other stamina/magicka builds as well that are veteran, but those four characters got a lot of play. You can look at my signature and see some of what I have played (this reminds me I need to update the sig). What I am trying to point out is that I've seen the ups and downs now of every single class. Nightblades were once terrible. I always knew a day would come that they would be awesome because CONCEPTUALLY they are a very efficient and logical class. The numbers were just awful for them early on though (not enough reward for costs) and some of the skills just didn't operate well. The fact that I have one of each means I can enjoy whatever flows well and doesn't, at the drop of a hat. Sometimes its fun to play what is considered the underdog though.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

The forums always overreact to changes, AND ZOS always over corrects when making them.

Sorcs arent dead, but they have been taken down a peg or two. If you like the ranged, pew pew, style build, I think a magic Nightblade is a little more well rounded. Anything you can do on a sorc, you can arguably do a bit better on a magic NB and they have a few more options with playstyles.

Stam sorc can be really fun, but its a little more niche. If you want to play a melee fighter, I would probably suggest Stamina DK or Stamina NB, as they both got buffed this patch.

If you are looking for the "easiest" build out of the gate, I might suggest magic Templar. They also make the best healers, and are pretty strong in PVP and in PVE DPS at the moment too.

My advice to anyone playing this game for the first time is to roll 2 or 3 classes and level them to about 25 and see what you like. It's an MMO, which usually means you will be playing for a while. It's so easy to level now, dont pigeonhole yourself too soon. All other things aside, magic sorc is not the first class I would recommend to any new player, but they can still be very effective if played well.

Vaoh

GawdSB wrote: »

I've been playing for about 3-4 days now as a Sorcerer, which is currently my first and only class. I've been reading the forum lately and it looks like they class is pretty useless and I rather not waste my time on it if so. Does anybody know if there are plans to change the class at all?

Keep on playing with Sorcerer, and if you like it, there is no need to stop. Only switch classes if you'd rather play a different class. Whatever class you find most fun is what you should play!

Currently Sorcerers face certain issues but only in pure endgame and higher level PvP. If you are new to the game, it will be a long time before this ever matters to you.

ZOS is bound to overhaul the Sorcerer class as a whole by the 3rd Quarter DLC, so by the time you get to this point, it will never have effected you anyway. Not guaranteed, but I expect them to based on lots of different reasons

As a follow up, do you plan on focusing more on Stamina and weapon abilities, or Magicka and class abilities? It is mostly the Magicka-based Sorcerer changes which have sparked the current forum class balance uproar.

phaneub17_ESO

I have a Khajiit stamina sorc and a Breton magicka sorc, and they are both pet-centric builds with opposing morphs. The stamina sorc is a double bow user with clannfear and tormentor, main-bar is focus fire while the off-bar is AOE. The magicka sorc has a lightning/resto staff combo with Imp and Matriarch. I currently use both as my gold zone dolmen farmers as they can do it very quickly and move on to the next one without a hitch, it's also a great way to farm exp for champion points.

Pets are without a doubt weaker after Dark Brotherhood, I assume the pets no longer scale beyond level 50 as they used to scale with each Veteran rank before so technically they lost 15 levels of survival stats: health, physical resists, and spell resists. I have to find a sorc who is 10 CP to verify their pet's health, if its the same health as my 160+ CP pets then it will confirm that.

GreenSoup2HoT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Zjh3AirjU

Korah_Eaglecry

GawdSB wrote: »

I've been playing for about 3-4 days now as a Sorcerer, which is currently my first and only class. I've been reading the forum lately and it looks like they class is pretty useless and I rather not waste my time on it if so. Does anybody know if there are plans to change the class at all?

Dont take the complaints about Sorc too much to heart. Plenty of players out there doing absolutely fine with them.

Grao

GawdSB wrote: »

I've been playing for about 3-4 days now as a Sorcerer, which is currently my first and only class. I've been reading the forum lately and it looks like they class is pretty useless and I rather not waste my time on it if so. Does anybody know if there are plans to change the class at all?

You will have fun with your sorcerer while questing as your abilities will then be useful, but once you come to end game content, meaning raiding and serious PvPing the fun dries out very fast. About 40 % of your abilities will never see use, the pets you've grown to enjoy while leveling will be utterly useless and instead you will have to double or triple slot toggles on your bar, tie your self to a fire destruction staff and one of the most boring ultimates in the game, all to obtain DPS that other classes can get with a far more forgiving rotation and while having a lot more fun.

Right now, I would not advise leveling a sorcerer, no.

Birdovic

Nah, dont listen to people who say no.
I've played and mained a Sorc since beta and its true, the class was nerfed over and over again(first nerfs were justified!),
im not happy AT ALL with the state its in now.
And with the release of Dark Brotherhood the nerfs were absolutely not needed and overdone.

BUT, since we know ZOS and the "Buff-Nerf-Cycle", you can expect Magicka classes to be buffed with the release of the next DLC, its been like that since the beginning. Until then, level up your character and keep having fun, like you do now. Since you're new to that class anyway, you wont notice the problems the class is facing so fast anyway, so just enjoy it.

acw37162

A whole group of people recently lost the ability;

Wearing 5 - 7 light pieces of armor while tanking better then a player in 7 Heavy.

Do a very nice amount of damage while wearing two to three shields that scaled of max magica which meant sorcs could run around with 12 - 15 K health with an effective health pool 25 - 35 K depending on build, stats, and champion points.

The shield up times were reduced so keeping a six second shield would significantly drain your resources and hamper ability to time burst combos while taking little to no damage.

In short not quite god like but very close and in the hands of a good to great player was next to impossible to kill and could do all sorts of interesting things.

Sorcs are neither worthless nor broken like every class in the game they could prob use a tweetk here or there but are extremely enjoyable if you like the play style.

A rather large amount of people enjoyed the shield stacking, frag out, overload, mines, and streak for the win play style and are extremely upset they can't do exactly what they used to go and get the same result. Because there are so many people yelling one would think it gives weight to an argument that has very little.

In short play a sorc if you want they are not the Demi gods of yesterday but they are not broken either.

Grao

acw37162 wrote: »

A whole group of people recently lost the ability;

Wearing 5 - 7 light pieces of armor while tanking better then a player in 7 Heavy.

Do a very nice amount of damage while wearing two to three shields that scaled of max magica which meant sorcs could run around with 12 - 15 K health with an effective health pool 25 - 35 K depending on build, stats, and champion points.

The shield up times were reduced so keeping a six second shield would significantly drain your resources and hamper ability to time burst combos while taking little to no damage.

In short not quite god like but very close and in the hands of a good to great player was next to impossible to kill and could do all sorts of interesting things.

Sorcs are neither worthless nor broken like every class in the game they could prob use a tweetk here or there but are extremely enjoyable if you like the play style.

A rather large amount of people enjoyed the shield stacking, frag out, overload, mines, and streak for the win play style and are extremely upset they can't do exactly what they used to go and get the same result. Because there are so many people yelling one would think it gives weight to an argument that has very little.

In short play a sorc if you want they are not the Demi gods of yesterday but they are not broken either.

No, they are not broken, they are just plain boring with no role in which they are not outshone by the other classes. Don't recommend a new player to keep leveling a class with an uncertain future just because you think the class is fine. Unless you've seriously played a sorcerer you shouldn't be giving your opinion here.

Valrien

acw37162 wrote: »

A whole group of people recently lost the ability;

Wearing 5 - 7 light pieces of armor while tanking better then a player in 7 Heavy.

Do a very nice amount of damage while wearing two to three shields that scaled of max magica which meant sorcs could run around with 12 - 15 K health with an effective health pool 25 - 35 K depending on build, stats, and champion points.

The shield up times were reduced so keeping a six second shield would significantly drain your resources and hamper ability to time burst combos while taking little to no damage.

In short not quite god like but very close and in the hands of a good to great player was next to impossible to kill and could do all sorts of interesting things.

Sorcs are neither worthless nor broken like every class in the game they could prob use a tweetk here or there but are extremely enjoyable if you like the play style.

A rather large amount of people enjoyed the shield stacking, frag out, overload, mines, and streak for the win play style and are extremely upset they can't do exactly what they used to go and get the same result. Because there are so many people yelling one would think it gives weight to an argument that has very little.

In short play a sorc if you want they are not the Demi gods of yesterday but they are not broken either.

One would think that someone who doesn't play Sorc shouldn't be giving their opinions on a Sorc thread. So what do you play, buddy...Nightblade?

tnanever

GawdSB wrote: »

I've been playing for about 3-4 days now as a Sorcerer, which is currently my first and only class. I've been reading the forum lately and it looks like they class is pretty useless and I rather not waste my time on it if so. Does anybody know if there are plans to change the class at all?

With the latest round of changes, thanks to Eric Wrobel (the current lead combat designer of ESO, and hopefully soon replaced), Sorcs pretty junky. It's not so bad if you only play solo, since you won't see how much you're hampered compared to the other classes. Sorcs can complete content just like everyone else...they're just worse at it.

I'm guessing that in the coming months, someone with better judgement will fix Wrobel's mistakes and make Sorcs fun/interesting/competitive again.

xoduspaladin

This is an MMORPG. Stuck with an under-powered character? Wait a few months or so and everything changes up again. I went on hiatus for awhile, and during that time, everyone was complaining about how OP spellcasters were. Now I'm back a few months and everyone is saying they suck. I'm sure, in time they become OP (I say OP rather than balance, because...well, we never quite get balance in MMORPGs).

Grao

xoduspaladin wrote: »

This is an MMORPG. Stuck with an under-powered character? Wait a few months or so and everything changes up again. I went on hiatus for awhile, and during that time, everyone was complaining about how OP spellcasters were. Now I'm back a few months and everyone is saying they suck. I'm sure, in time they become OP (I say OP rather than balance, because...well, we never quite get balance in MMORPGs).

Spell casters don't suck >.> Magicka nightblades and Magicka templars can still achieve pretty good DPS and their build are actually fun. Sorcerer don't need to be buffed they need to be reworked as several of our abilities simply don't work since the Champion System was introduced, caps were removed and buffs were normalized. The class doesn't work properly and since Zenimax takes months to manage to rework a single skill, I think it is unfair to recommend someone to level up a character come late game, it is possibly going to be very boring game play.

A generic opinion from someone that doesn't even understand the problems sorcerers are facing has no place here. Actually, by saying sorcerers are just fine to a new player you are just being a complete ***.

acw37162

Grao wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

A whole group of people recently lost the ability;

Wearing 5 - 7 light pieces of armor while tanking better then a player in 7 Heavy.

Do a very nice amount of damage while wearing two to three shields that scaled of max magica which meant sorcs could run around with 12 - 15 K health with an effective health pool 25 - 35 K depending on build, stats, and champion points.

The shield up times were reduced so keeping a six second shield would significantly drain your resources and hamper ability to time burst combos while taking little to no damage.

In short not quite god like but very close and in the hands of a good to great player was next to impossible to kill and could do all sorts of interesting things.

Sorcs are neither worthless nor broken like every class in the game they could prob use a tweetk here or there but are extremely enjoyable if you like the play style.

A rather large amount of people enjoyed the shield stacking, frag out, overload, mines, and streak for the win play style and are extremely upset they can't do exactly what they used to go and get the same result. Because there are so many people yelling one would think it gives weight to an argument that has very little.

In short play a sorc if you want they are not the Demi gods of yesterday but they are not broken either.

No, they are not broken, they are just plain boring with no role in which they are not outshone by the other classes. Don't recommend a new player to keep leveling a class with an uncertain future just because you think the class is fine. Unless you've seriously played a sorcerer you shouldn't be giving your opinion here.

I qualified it with if he likes he it play it. And it's a free country and somewhat free forum, so my opinions are mine to give as I choose and to be refuted by you, if you choose.

At least we do agree they are not broken.

Valrien wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

A whole group of people recently lost the ability;

Wearing 5 - 7 light pieces of armor while tanking better then a player in 7 Heavy.

Do a very nice amount of damage while wearing two to three shields that scaled of max magica which meant sorcs could run around with 12 - 15 K health with an effective health pool 25 - 35 K depending on build, stats, and champion points.

The shield up times were reduced so keeping a six second shield would significantly drain your resources and hamper ability to time burst combos while taking little to no damage.

In short not quite god like but very close and in the hands of a good to great player was next to impossible to kill and could do all sorts of interesting things.

Sorcs are neither worthless nor broken like every class in the game they could prob use a tweetk here or there but are extremely enjoyable if you like the play style.

A rather large amount of people enjoyed the shield stacking, frag out, overload, mines, and streak for the win play style and are extremely upset they can't do exactly what they used to go and get the same result. Because there are so many people yelling one would think it gives weight to an argument that has very little.

In short play a sorc if you want they are not the Demi gods of yesterday but they are not broken either.

One would think that someone who doesn't play Sorc shouldn't be giving their opinions on a Sorc thread. So what do you play, buddy...Nightblade?

If the one would think is a kajiit play, well done, if it was a attempt at clever, epic fail.

I have 2 of each class since you asked, buddddddyyyyy

Grao

acw37162 wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

A whole group of people recently lost the ability;

Wearing 5 - 7 light pieces of armor while tanking better then a player in 7 Heavy.

Do a very nice amount of damage while wearing two to three shields that scaled of max magica which meant sorcs could run around with 12 - 15 K health with an effective health pool 25 - 35 K depending on build, stats, and champion points.

The shield up times were reduced so keeping a six second shield would significantly drain your resources and hamper ability to time burst combos while taking little to no damage.

In short not quite god like but very close and in the hands of a good to great player was next to impossible to kill and could do all sorts of interesting things.

Sorcs are neither worthless nor broken like every class in the game they could prob use a tweetk here or there but are extremely enjoyable if you like the play style.

A rather large amount of people enjoyed the shield stacking, frag out, overload, mines, and streak for the win play style and are extremely upset they can't do exactly what they used to go and get the same result. Because there are so many people yelling one would think it gives weight to an argument that has very little.

In short play a sorc if you want they are not the Demi gods of yesterday but they are not broken either.

No, they are not broken, they are just plain boring with no role in which they are not outshone by the other classes. Don't recommend a new player to keep leveling a class with an uncertain future just because you think the class is fine. Unless you've seriously played a sorcerer you shouldn't be giving your opinion here.

I qualified it with if he likes he it play it. And it's a free country and somewhat free forum, so my opinions are mine to give as I choose and to be refuted by you, if you choose.

At least we do agree they are not broken.

Valrien wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

A whole group of people recently lost the ability;

Wearing 5 - 7 light pieces of armor while tanking better then a player in 7 Heavy.

Do a very nice amount of damage while wearing two to three shields that scaled of max magica which meant sorcs could run around with 12 - 15 K health with an effective health pool 25 - 35 K depending on build, stats, and champion points.

The shield up times were reduced so keeping a six second shield would significantly drain your resources and hamper ability to time burst combos while taking little to no damage.

In short not quite god like but very close and in the hands of a good to great player was next to impossible to kill and could do all sorts of interesting things.

Sorcs are neither worthless nor broken like every class in the game they could prob use a tweetk here or there but are extremely enjoyable if you like the play style.

A rather large amount of people enjoyed the shield stacking, frag out, overload, mines, and streak for the win play style and are extremely upset they can't do exactly what they used to go and get the same result. Because there are so many people yelling one would think it gives weight to an argument that has very little.

In short play a sorc if you want they are not the Demi gods of yesterday but they are not broken either.

One would think that someone who doesn't play Sorc shouldn't be giving their opinions on a Sorc thread. So what do you play, buddy...Nightblade?

If the one would think is a kajiit play, well done, if it was a attempt at clever, epic fail.

I have 2 of each class since you asked, buddddddyyyyy

If you really have leveled a sorcerer you will know that while leveling the class is fine and is actually fun to play with. The problem starts when you get to late game and you have to shoehorn your character into a rigid build composed by your least fun abilities because most the abilities you came to like on your character are actually useless.

Valrien

acw37162 wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

A whole group of people recently lost the ability;

Wearing 5 - 7 light pieces of armor while tanking better then a player in 7 Heavy.

Do a very nice amount of damage while wearing two to three shields that scaled of max magica which meant sorcs could run around with 12 - 15 K health with an effective health pool 25 - 35 K depending on build, stats, and champion points.

The shield up times were reduced so keeping a six second shield would significantly drain your resources and hamper ability to time burst combos while taking little to no damage.

In short not quite god like but very close and in the hands of a good to great player was next to impossible to kill and could do all sorts of interesting things.

Sorcs are neither worthless nor broken like every class in the game they could prob use a tweetk here or there but are extremely enjoyable if you like the play style.

A rather large amount of people enjoyed the shield stacking, frag out, overload, mines, and streak for the win play style and are extremely upset they can't do exactly what they used to go and get the same result. Because there are so many people yelling one would think it gives weight to an argument that has very little.

In short play a sorc if you want they are not the Demi gods of yesterday but they are not broken either.

No, they are not broken, they are just plain boring with no role in which they are not outshone by the other classes. Don't recommend a new player to keep leveling a class with an uncertain future just because you think the class is fine. Unless you've seriously played a sorcerer you shouldn't be giving your opinion here.

I qualified it with if he likes he it play it. And it's a free country and somewhat free forum, so my opinions are mine to give as I choose and to be refuted by you, if you choose.

At least we do agree they are not broken.

Valrien wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

A whole group of people recently lost the ability;

Wearing 5 - 7 light pieces of armor while tanking better then a player in 7 Heavy.

Do a very nice amount of damage while wearing two to three shields that scaled of max magica which meant sorcs could run around with 12 - 15 K health with an effective health pool 25 - 35 K depending on build, stats, and champion points.

The shield up times were reduced so keeping a six second shield would significantly drain your resources and hamper ability to time burst combos while taking little to no damage.

In short not quite god like but very close and in the hands of a good to great player was next to impossible to kill and could do all sorts of interesting things.

Sorcs are neither worthless nor broken like every class in the game they could prob use a tweetk here or there but are extremely enjoyable if you like the play style.

A rather large amount of people enjoyed the shield stacking, frag out, overload, mines, and streak for the win play style and are extremely upset they can't do exactly what they used to go and get the same result. Because there are so many people yelling one would think it gives weight to an argument that has very little.

In short play a sorc if you want they are not the Demi gods of yesterday but they are not broken either.

One would think that someone who doesn't play Sorc shouldn't be giving their opinions on a Sorc thread. So what do you play, buddy...Nightblade?

If the one would think is a kajiit play, well done, if it was a attempt at clever, epic fail.

I have 2 of each class since you asked, buddddddyyyyy

For someone who has 2 of each class, you have a rather limited view of Sorcerers. Try playing it for more than 2 hours total.