Sewer Tenement Sacrament Broken?

Phinix1

I have done this quest twice, spent WAY too long covering every single tunnel, every nook up in the rafters. The secondary target doesn't seem to be spawning Lamzakha anywhere in the instance.

I even abandoned the mission and spent a day waiting to retake it so the NPC's spawn in different locations. Still not there.

EDIT: Never mind!

RoyJade

Are you sure ? Some of the target are hide on secret areas, sometime you can't even see the black hand if you just stand in "normal" areas.
For the moment, I haven't any bug on these sacraments, and if I remember, I killed this mob tree hours ago.

Phinix1

There are a couple hidden areas in this zone. One behind some ivy on a lower wall you can duck into to hide from the patrol. One up in the rafters where you walk along some beams and jump to a ledge.

The main target spawned in the later once.

I have been all through this place, the NPC is definitely not there.

Phinix1

Never mind, I found it. It was an area you had to sprint jump off a ledge through a wall of ivy at the northeast part of the dungeon.

GG Zos.

mwo1480

haven't had any problems with the sewer tennanths, like the other said there are some hiddin area's that are not on map, i also had Lamzakha and i found her, but hey, maybe you are just unlucky

FerrumnCutem

I cannot do any heist or sacrament without my Nb stealth spam, real smooth that way

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

@Phinix1 I did the exact same thing when I first attempted this Sacrament. I even went to the Dev team and proclaimed it bugged. But there she was, being all sneaky-like in the hidden side area. She's a tough one to find!

Phinix1

Yeah, the dungeon designers really went all early Nintendo on the secret paths.

anitajoneb17_ESO

If there's one thing I hate above any other, it's spending time looking for a clue when there's none because it's bugged.

The picture shows where I stand and the green area (highlighted ny myself) is where Lamzakha is meant to be (I can see the "black hand mark" through the walls). The area pop ups on the map/minimap.

But there's no way to get there. Spent two hours looking everywhere.

So please either someone help me here ( @Phinix1 ? looks like you know how ? I tried with your hint "ledge/sprint-jump/ivy wall" but with no luck... ) ... . Many guildies are in a similar situation... Thank you very much in advance.

EDIT : added spoiler code for picture, just in case some masochists don't want any help ;-)

daemonios

Target marks (the small black hand on top of the NPC) show even through walls when you get close enough to them, so watch out for them and you'll be able to pinpoint where your victims are even before going into the secret areas.

anitajoneb17_ESO

daemonios wrote: »

Target marks (the small black hand on top of the NPC) show even through walls when you get close enough to them, so watch out for them and you'll be able to pinpoint where your victims are even before going into the secret areas.

Sure. But in the present case I *know* where she is, I just can't find out how to get there :-(

Tib

Isn't that the place where you need to jump to that hidden area? It's above you then, not on the ground level, you need to be on the upper platform. From the marker it looks like you're hiding in the corner on the ground level.

daemonios

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Target marks (the small black hand on top of the NPC) show even through walls when you get close enough to them, so watch out for them and you'll be able to pinpoint where your victims are even before going into the secret areas.

Sure. But in the present case I *know* where she is, I just can't find out how to get there :-(

There are 3 secret areas in that map (that I remember).

First one is in the first room with NPCs. If you go up the stairs to the right, then over the bridge, the hidden room is on the right, past another wooden bridge.

Second one is in the room to the right of the first one. When you enter the room there's a zone bridge straight ahead. Across it and to the right there's a wooden structure. Go under it and to the edge of a gap, across the gap is a corridor you can jump to, hidden by vines.

Third one is accessible through the room to the right of the second room I mentioned. Right of the entrance is a wooden ramp. Go up, find the wooden beams and go through to the hidden room at the very end of the path.

Tib

nurrtibub16_ESO wrote: »

Isn't that the place where you need to jump to that hidden area? It's above you then, not on the ground level, you need to be on the upper platform. From the marker it looks like you're hiding in the corner on the ground level.

Sorry I misread, I thought you haven't found the place, but it seems you have but cannot jump. Well, it works for me. You can even jump from sneak, no need to sprint. This is where I usually jump

I'm now successfully there and hiding inside the vines :P

anitajoneb17_ESO

Thank you very much you all. I'll try my better luck next time with all your info (I went back to the instance but the victim had been placed somewhere else by the system so I just killed her and left). I'll test when this dungeon is on again (probably tomorrow or the day after).

Thanks again (and I guess I'm not the only one who will be "saved from throwing the computer through the window" by this thread ;-) )

Volkodav

The thing I hate about these types of quests is that they are like the Thieve's Guild ones.You arent supposed to alert anyone,and be out by a certain time.It's very hard not to alert anyone.
I am ingame right now,and have a 975g bounty because I couldnt find this NPC to kill.I did eventually,but am going to be out a lot of money.It's bull crap.
Why cant they just be like other quests.I hate them.

anitajoneb17_ESO

I love heists and sacraments. In fact I believe I'd love an MMO based mainly on stealth and strategy rather than combat.

975g isn't much money, I ended up with a 6K bounty for looking for this NPC for ages ! :-) I finally used my 100000K "pass" on this occasion. But still, I truly love those instances, and I think ZOS did a really good job with them - even though IMHO they could fine tune them a lot more.

To each his own, I guess ;-)

allenv30b14_ESO

On a Side Note, Been doing these for sometime now, I have 8 guys left to kill in the Blackest Sacrament Achievement. The speaker is not giving them to me. I am back to killing the same ones over and over. Anyone else experiencing this?

bunnytrix

This was bugged for me yesterday but not finding the target. Every time I ported in the overseer was there. No matter how many times I abandoned and re took the quest he was there every time. So it was automatic failure every time I tried to do it.
The first time in I had been there literally for less than 1 minute when I got the failure notice that he had arrived. Every consecutive time I abandoned and re tried, he was there already when I arrived.

anitajoneb17_ESO

bunnytrix wrote: »

This was bugged for me yesterday but not finding the target. Every time I ported in the overseer was there. No matter how many times I abandoned and re took the quest he was there every time. So it was automatic failure every time I tried to do it.
The first time in I had been there literally for less than 1 minute when I got the failure notice that he had arrived. Every consecutive time I abandoned and re tried, he was there already when I arrived.

That's not a bug. You simply cannot reset those quests. If you "fail" (alert the den, overseer present) it will remain that way even if you abandon and restart. All you can do to get a "clean" instance to start is to way for the next day.

bunnytrix

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

bunnytrix wrote: »

This was bugged for me yesterday but not finding the target. Every time I ported in the overseer was there. No matter how many times I abandoned and re took the quest he was there every time. So it was automatic failure every time I tried to do it.
The first time in I had been there literally for less than 1 minute when I got the failure notice that he had arrived. Every consecutive time I abandoned and re tried, he was there already when I arrived.

That's not a bug. You simply cannot reset those quests. If you "fail" (alert the den, overseer present) it will remain that way even if you abandon and restart. All you can do to get a "clean" instance to start is to way for the next day.

Thanks for the info but that seems strange as I was able to reset the ones in the Smuggler's Cave loads of times until I did it perfectly.

RoseVex

You can restart these quests and have them reset completely. You either have to wait at least 15mins or switch zones, I've not really tested it to see which it is. It doesn't affect all of the different Sacraments though. I know the Sewer Tenement doesn't reset instantly, not sure on the others.

daemonios

Reset behaviour is erratic in these sacraments. If you zone out and give it some 15 minutes, it will reset the alert status. However, I've found multiple times that if you ever hit 5/5 alert status, you will always fail that secondary objective, even though the alert meter says otherwise during a subsequent attempt.

Feels like a bug to me. Sacraments should reset immediately and fully if you abandon the quest, just like heists.

negbert

I have the same problem with heists. If you collect all the objectives then extra guards appear. Dropping and restarting doesn't remove them. It seems to save some of the instance parameters that it shouldn't.

Volkodav

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I love heists and sacraments. In fact I believe I'd love an MMO based mainly on stealth and strategy rather than combat.

975g isn't much money, I ended up with a 6K bounty for looking for this NPC for ages ! :-) I finally used my 100000K "pass" on this occasion. But still, I truly love those instances, and I think ZOS did a really good job with them - even though IMHO they could fine tune them a lot more.

To each his own, I guess ;-)

That's you opinion,which is fine.
I think 975g is too much for a quest that only gives you back a much smaller reward.When I start losing money to do a quest,it becomes uninteresting to me.
I thought it was way too much gold to spend.
Yes,to each their own.

Teridaxus

Those sarcremants drives me crazy, too many npcs lean walls or stand in short corridors looking at my duration.
Also some npc seem to be able to look thought objects and spot me regardless.

daemonios

Volkodav wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I love heists and sacraments. In fact I believe I'd love an MMO based mainly on stealth and strategy rather than combat.

975g isn't much money, I ended up with a 6K bounty for looking for this NPC for ages ! :-) I finally used my 100000K "pass" on this occasion. But still, I truly love those instances, and I think ZOS did a really good job with them - even though IMHO they could fine tune them a lot more.

To each his own, I guess ;-)

That's you opinion,which is fine.
I think 975g is too much for a quest that only gives you back a much smaller reward.When I start losing money to do a quest,it becomes uninteresting to me.
I thought it was way too much gold to spend.
Yes,to each their own.

Don't get caught.
Wait out your bounty and get the swiftly forgotten passive to make it go away even faster.

You don't have to spend gold to do these quests

anitajoneb17_ESO

Volkodav wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I love heists and sacraments. In fact I believe I'd love an MMO based mainly on stealth and strategy rather than combat.

975g isn't much money, I ended up with a 6K bounty for looking for this NPC for ages ! :-) I finally used my 100000K "pass" on this occasion. But still, I truly love those instances, and I think ZOS did a really good job with them - even though IMHO they could fine tune them a lot more.

To each his own, I guess ;-)

That's you opinion,which is fine.
I think 975g is too much for a quest that only gives you back a much smaller reward.When I start losing money to do a quest,it becomes uninteresting to me.
I thought it was way too much gold to spend.
Yes,to each their own.

Doing dungeons and other quests also costs money in form of gear repair. That said, I tend to agree with you : the "bounties" you get in the sacraments shouldn't "stay with you" like the bounties you get outside. You don't get bounties for getting caught in heists, I don't see why you get some by getting caught in sacraments, that makes little sense to me, since it's "failing stealth" in both cases. Also, the costs are quite out of proportion when compared to the rewards, I agree on that too.

anitajoneb17_ESO

daemonios wrote: »

Don't get caught.
Wait out your bounty and get the swiftly forgotten passive to make it go away even faster.

You don't have to spend gold to do these quests

"Don't get caught" is easier said than done, there's a learning curve to this content.

As to letting the bounty fade away by itself : that system always seemed strange to me. It's like the game itself is telling me to log off. Quite counter productive...

anitajoneb17_ESO

daemonios wrote: »

Reset behaviour is erratic in these sacraments. If you zone out and give it some 15 minutes, it will reset the alert status. However, I've found multiple times that if you ever hit 5/5 alert status, you will always fail that secondary objective, even though the alert meter says otherwise during a subsequent attempt.

Feels like a bug to me. Sacraments should reset immediately and fully if you abandon the quest, just like heists.

Heists don't fully reset either, and their behaviour always looked quite inconsistent to me too. I'll try the "wait 15 minutes" strategy next time and see what happens.

daemonios

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Don't get caught.
Wait out your bounty and get the swiftly forgotten passive to make it go away even faster.

You don't have to spend gold to do these quests

"Don't get caught" is easier said than done, there's a learning curve to this content.

As to letting the bounty fade away by itself : that system always seemed strange to me. It's like the game itself is telling me to log off. Quite counter productive...

Actually I think it's the contrary. If you're not a proficient criminal and get caught, you get a bounty and have to live with it. You can still do most things other than probably check your guild stores at the bank while you have a bounty (you do have a banker at the refuges, but those don't have access to guild stores).