Does Sorc need to get (Re)Buffed?

Fasoo

Many considered sorcerer to be an overpowered class dating all the way back to the release of 1.6, but with the recent changes it seems like magicka sorcerer has become all but nonexistent PVE and PVP wise, and it begs the question of if sorc was nerfed too hard or if people just need to catch up skill wise as all the other classes had to. Let me know what you guys think. (I'm not going to offer an opinion because I am extremely biased) also #BuffBallofLightning

Sheezabeast

No, Sorcerers are just fine where they are.

Xundiin

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

I wouldn't say buffed so much as more as reworked. Some things about sorc I like, other things just make you got "WTF?!" It's missing a lot of unique buffs and skills that other classes get to have.

Molag_Crow

No, Sorcerers are just fine where they are.

Aaaaaand here come the Sorc tears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0nzVF8SiNM

They are still very strong!

Judas Helviaryn

No, Sorcerers are just fine where they are.

Sorcs are absolutely fine! We don't need shield stacking to wipe the floor with other players and mobs! In fact, removing this crutch will, in all likelihood, engender more innovation with sorc builds and applications. I've already seen a couple very inventive ones that I plan to steal!

You know what a Shotgun Sorc is? It's my pet project, and it's getting closer to being unleashed on the masses. Now, if they could just fix the animation problems, we'd be golden.

Aquanova

I would just say adjustments are needed for the class. Magicka Sorcs are still very strong but I would like ZOS to remove the need for certain skills to be on both bars (i.e Daedric summoning skills) so that we can put more useful skills on our bars.

There should also be more Stamina morphs to Sorc skills.

Ch4mpTW

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Sorcs are absolutely fine! We don't need shield stacking to wipe the floor with other players and mobs! In fact, removing this crutch will, in all likelihood, engender more innovation with sorc builds and applications. I've already seen a couple very inventive ones that I plan to steal!

You know what a Shotgun Sorc is? It's my pet project, and it's getting closer to being unleashed on the masses. Now, if they could just fix the animation problems, we'd be golden.

As a person who specialized in pet builds, I have very bad news for you — assuming you're actually serious. So with that, I'll say this. Go and attempt Veteran Maelstrom Arena when you get the chance with this new build of yours', or a few dungeons. Better yet, go and do some PVP (if you're a PVP'er) for a few hours. Then come and leave us your findings/reports. Alright? But since today is Monday, I'll be kind and tell you a secret from the jump. M'kay? Sorcerers are outclassed by every other class, and are officially a "joke class". A class used for "niche builds" that are lackluster, and role playing. Don't believe me? Please do as I listed above, and report back to everyone. Lol.

Sorcerers need to be redesigned and badly... Very, very, badly... I've mained a magicka Sorcerer since beta days, and as of post-DB... It's just... It's just plain disgraceful and sad what the developers did to the class. Luckily for me I had a magicka Dragonknight I've been using through the times as well as a secondary, and I too am highly-knowledgeable and skilled with magicka Dragonknight builds and usage. So they're my new main, until Sorcerers get "fixed".

CaptainVenom

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

I'm still achieving some nice DPS with my sorcerer and some 1 hit KO, no doubt this class is still good to play. The only buff it needs is Hardened Ward lasting longer. Right now it lasts the same time and has the exact same barrier (5 pieces) as Annulment. It feels like every class got a skill from Sorcerer's Daedric Summoning, thus making Sorcerer a little less desirable class to play.

Oh, and Surge sucks.

Judas Helviaryn

No, Sorcerers are just fine where they are.

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Sorcs are absolutely fine! We don't need shield stacking to wipe the floor with other players and mobs! In fact, removing this crutch will, in all likelihood, engender more innovation with sorc builds and applications. I've already seen a couple very inventive ones that I plan to steal!

You know what a Shotgun Sorc is? It's my pet project, and it's getting closer to being unleashed on the masses. Now, if they could just fix the animation problems, we'd be golden.

As a person who specialized in pet builds, I have very bad news for you — assuming you're actually serious. So with that, I'll say this. Go and attempt Veteran Maelstrom Arena when you get the chance with this new build of yours', or a few dungeons. Better yet, go and do some PVP (if you're a PVP'er) for a few hours. Then come and leave us your findings/reports. Alright? But since today is Monday, I'll be kind and tell you a secret from the jump. M'kay? Sorcerers are outclassed by every other class, and are officially a "joke class". A class used for "niche builds" that are lackluster, and role playing. Don't believe me? Please do as I listed above, and report back to everyone. Lol.

Sorcerers need to be redesigned and badly... Very, very, badly... I've mained a magicka Sorcerer since beta days, and as of post-DB... It's just... It's just plain disgraceful and sad what the developers did to the class. Luckily for me I had a magicka Dragonknight I've been using through the times as well as a secondary, and I too am highly-knowledgeable and skilled with magicka Dragonknight builds and usage. So they're my new main, until Sorcerers get "fixed".

You've misunderstood me. I am not making a pet build. It is my pet project, AKA my personal project. It's a colloquialism I assumed people would understand, am I mistaken? Now, we can stop the sickly-sweet attitude and get down to the meat of the problem, and that is that too many players were using their shields as a crutch. Sorc is every bit as viable as it was, and it will continue to be so. I PVP regularly, as that is the only valid endgame for any game, in my opinion, and I haven't been worse for wear post-patch. Being stuck in the past and unable to adapt, alluding to beta, it's no wonder people struggle.

TL;DR - Speak for yourself, and only yourself.

Molec

No, Sorcerers are just fine where they are.

My Kena overload sorc has 41k Magika / 4500 buffed spell damage can still solo most of the world bosses in IC (the big guys with 2.5m health) and got to Stage 9 on Malestrom with him yesterday so i'd say no need, it's a case of learning to play without extended shields and using the twilight for heals like you're a Templar. In pvp this glass canon build is squishy however with practice and the correct skills you can 1v5-10 like a champ.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Sorcs are absolutely fine! We don't need shield stacking to wipe the floor with other players and mobs! In fact, removing this crutch will, in all likelihood, engender more innovation with sorc builds and applications. I've already seen a couple very inventive ones that I plan to steal!

You know what a Shotgun Sorc is? It's my pet project, and it's getting closer to being unleashed on the masses. Now, if they could just fix the animation problems, we'd be golden.

As a person who specialized in pet builds, I have very bad news for you — assuming you're actually serious. So with that, I'll say this. Go and attempt Veteran Maelstrom Arena when you get the chance with this new build of yours', or a few dungeons. Better yet, go and do some PVP (if you're a PVP'er) for a few hours. Then come and leave us your findings/reports. Alright? But since today is Monday, I'll be kind and tell you a secret from the jump. M'kay? Sorcerers are outclassed by every other class, and are officially a "joke class". A class used for "niche builds" that are lackluster, and role playing. Don't believe me? Please do as I listed above, and report back to everyone. Lol.

Sorcerers need to be redesigned and badly... Very, very, badly... I've mained a magicka Sorcerer since beta days, and as of post-DB... It's just... It's just plain disgraceful and sad what the developers did to the class. Luckily for me I had a magicka Dragonknight I've been using through the times as well as a secondary, and I too am highly-knowledgeable and skilled with magicka Dragonknight builds and usage. So they're my new main, until Sorcerers get "fixed".

You've misunderstood me. I am not making a pet build. It is my pet project, AKA my personal project. It's a colloquialism I assumed people would understand, am I mistaken? Now, we can stop the sickly-sweet attitude and get down to the meat of the problem, and that is that too many players were using their shields as a crutch. Sorc is every bit as viable as it was, and it will continue to be so. I PVP regularly, as that is the only valid endgame for any game, in my opinion, and I haven't been worse for wear post-patch. Being stuck in the past and unable to adapt, alluding to beta, it's no wonder people struggle.

TL;DR - Speak for yourself, and only yourself.

Well, from my personal experience, 95% of the sorcs I know ingame and have talked to rerolled classes this patch. I'm quite sure that's not only me seeing that. They got badly slaughtered in terms of decent builds available to them so that just one build is viable now and they're so unfun to play that watching paint dry is more fun

jrgray93

Not voting because I think it's a bit more complex an issue than a binary poll.

My experience with sorcs as someone who mostly does PvE is that they're more likely to be doing insane DPS than other classes. I find a lot of sorcs pulling 30k+ on bosses. I can't even approach that single-target DPS on my Templar, but I am primarily a healer.

As for PvP, I took a two year break from it and came back to find it was even more of a mess than before. In a game where a single player can survive for minutes against 10+ players at once (usually DK), I find any PvP balance discussions to be like smacking my head into a wall.

RebornV3x

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

Its not that there weak per se its just a lack of focus on what the class should be I don't mind a shield nerf if our other abilities got buffed I love the glass cannon type play style and sorcs just arn't powerful enough to justify a nerf to our damage mitigation abilities.

finalkingdom

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

Damage wise we seem fine but that nerf to our shield was a slap in the face our surviability is really bad now the shield absorb seem fine the biggest problem is the time 6 second is waay too short and it just make it tedious to re activate it all the time. I don't pvp so i don't know and i don't care how they are in cyrodiil lol.

Dracane

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

Sorcs need a lot of work, yes.

Korah_Eaglecry

No, Sorcerers are just fine where they are.

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Sorcs are absolutely fine! We don't need shield stacking to wipe the floor with other players and mobs! In fact, removing this crutch will, in all likelihood, engender more innovation with sorc builds and applications. I've already seen a couple very inventive ones that I plan to steal!

You know what a Shotgun Sorc is? It's my pet project, and it's getting closer to being unleashed on the masses. Now, if they could just fix the animation problems, we'd be golden.

As a person who specialized in pet builds, I have very bad news for you — assuming you're actually serious. So with that, I'll say this. Go and attempt Veteran Maelstrom Arena when you get the chance with this new build of yours', or a few dungeons. Better yet, go and do some PVP (if you're a PVP'er) for a few hours. Then come and leave us your findings/reports. Alright? But since today is Monday, I'll be kind and tell you a secret from the jump. M'kay? Sorcerers are outclassed by every other class, and are officially a "joke class". A class used for "niche builds" that are lackluster, and role playing. Don't believe me? Please do as I listed above, and report back to everyone. Lol.

Sorcerers need to be redesigned and badly... Very, very, badly... I've mained a magicka Sorcerer since beta days, and as of post-DB... It's just... It's just plain disgraceful and sad what the developers did to the class. Luckily for me I had a magicka Dragonknight I've been using through the times as well as a secondary, and I too am highly-knowledgeable and skilled with magicka Dragonknight builds and usage. So they're my new main, until Sorcerers get "fixed".

You've misunderstood me. I am not making a pet build. It is my pet project, AKA my personal project. It's a colloquialism I assumed people would understand, am I mistaken? Now, we can stop the sickly-sweet attitude and get down to the meat of the problem, and that is that too many players were using their shields as a crutch. Sorc is every bit as viable as it was, and it will continue to be so. I PVP regularly, as that is the only valid endgame for any game, in my opinion, and I haven't been worse for wear post-patch. Being stuck in the past and unable to adapt, alluding to beta, it's no wonder people struggle.

TL;DR - Speak for yourself, and only yourself.

Well, from my personal experience, 95% of the sorcs I know ingame and have talked to rerolled classes this patch. I'm quite sure that's not only me seeing that. They got badly slaughtered in terms of decent builds available to them so that just one build is viable now and they're so unfun to play that watching paint dry is more fun

ALERT! Made up numbers and anecdotal evidence contained in this post.

Molec

No, Sorcerers are just fine where they are.

RebornV3x wrote: »

Its not that there weak per se its just a lack of focus on what the class should be I don't mind a shield nerf if our other abilities got buffed I love the glass cannon type play style and sorcs just arn't powerful enough to justify a nerf to our damage mitigation abilities.

Sorcs can achieve 25k (non overload) single target dps, that with 6 seconds hardened ward (for when you are under pressure) combined with the twilight heals (10-12k health) gives you a nice strong build. Also don't forget that when you do activate overload and buff up it will hit for 25k minimum every time .

bardx86

RebornV3x wrote: »

Its not that there weak per se its just a lack of focus on what the class should be I don't mind a shield nerf if our other abilities got buffed I love the glass cannon type play style and sorcs just arn't powerful enough to justify a nerf to our damage mitigation abilities.

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Mashille

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

I don't play sorcerer, I have 1 Khajiit Stam Sorc who is level 11, from looking over this patch I'd say they could do with some tweaking and adjustments to make them strongly competitive again.

PainfulFAFA

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

Crystal blast, most useless skill ever.
Pets.... Useless design ever. They dont need a buff, they need a major fix.

Grao

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

As some have mentioned, it is not exactly that sorcerers need to be buffed extremely, they need a rework so their builds are more flexible and less boring. They also need an identity and specialty flushed out, currently sorcerers can be out done by other classes in every role, meaning they have no specialty, no area in which they are the best. Nightblades have PvP, DKs have tanking and DPSing, Templars have Healing, sorcerers have nothing to be proud about, they aren't even fun to play with bars cluttered by toggles that should be passives and skills that overly reliant on non scaling RNG.

ssewallb14_ESO

Their sustained single target DPS does and always has needed a moderate buff. Other than that they're fine.

Polysemy

No, Sorcerers are just fine where they are.

Magicka sorc DPS is in a great spot

Sorc Tank in also in a great spot

To much ignorance in tamriel for majority to realize that

Dream96

@Wrobel Now you have all the time you need to improve sorc before next major update!

Birdovic

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

As people pointed out, the sorc needs a Major Overhaul or atleast the other abilities buffed, so were not forced into shields or overload spam all the time.


Maybe you guys want to take a look at some suggestions I made, reworking most Sorcerer Class Abilities improving in both dps and survival, while giving up shield as the only defensive tool. Oh and some stam sorc changes:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/269932/just-another-sorc-suggestions-thread#latest

Feynn

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

Sorcerer doesn't need to be buffed... it needs to be broken down and built up again. It needs to go back to the drawing board, because right now it's fundamentally broken. Sorc underperforms in any role. If a friend wanted to make a new character, whether a healer, a tank or a DPS, no one in their sane mind would suggest that they roll a Sorc right now.

Most Sorcs play as DPS, because that's really what the class calls for (and because DK and Templar are just so much better as tanks and healers anyway). But Sorc DPS depends entirely on one skill: Overload. Which is a terribly boring skill to use, because the most effective way to use it is to build up 1000 ultimate and then just go ahead and left-click until it runs out in a boss fight. While 4 of your skills slots are taken up by toggles (Inner Light and Bound Aegis) - or even 6 if you add Twilight for a marginally higher DPS. Sorcerer can pull really good DPS, but only as long as it has ultimate. Once it runs out, it's done. If you use up your ultimate in a boss fight, and the group wipes, in the next attempt you'll have nothing to contribute.

Not only that: in order to have a passable DPS, Sorcerer builds rely on gear pieces which are difficult to obtain. It took me months of farming before I finally dropped a Molag Kena head piece. Now the new build seems to require set pieces which only drop from Sanctum Ophidia. And for what...? Just so that I can pull a decent number by left-clicking my way to the end of my ultimate? Honestly, Sorcerer is too much work and not enough fun. Until they rework the class, my main character will probably be relegated to crafting and roleplay. And stealing, since I maxed out the Thieves Guild skill line on him.

I don't feel like investing any more of my time into a class if the developers are not willing to do the same.

Ant2086

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

Trutbfully every class was just fine the problem is and always was player not bei g able to play then crying about it until. The people they couldnt be get nerf then they are happy. And it will continue to be that way until the game is over. The answer is easy if you cant beat someone practice, learn your class make changes or find another game dont screw it up for everyone else because you cant do something as good as someone who has put more time into character. Yes sorcs need to be buffed now because every single time i turn around someone cries about a sorc and they take some from us and we still kick there a** lol.

Ravereth

No, Sorcerers are just fine where they are.

Fasoo wrote: »

Many considered sorcerer to be an overpowered (...)

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Sorcs are absolutely fine! We don't need shield stacking to wipe the floor with other players and mobs! In fact, removing this crutch will, in all likelihood, engender more innovation with sorc builds and applications. I've already seen a couple very inventive ones that I plan to steal!

You know what a Shotgun Sorc is? It's my pet project, and it's getting closer to being unleashed on the masses. Now, if they could just fix the animation problems, we'd be golden.

As a person who specialized in pet builds, I have very bad news for you — assuming you're actually serious. So with that, I'll say this. Go and attempt Veteran Maelstrom Arena when you get the chance with this new build of yours', or a few dungeons. Better yet, go and do some PVP (if you're a PVP'er) for a few hours. Then come and leave us your findings/reports. Alright? But since today is Monday, I'll be kind and tell you a secret from the jump. M'kay? Sorcerers are outclassed by every other class, and are officially a "joke class". A class used for "niche builds" that are lackluster, and role playing. Don't believe me? Please do as I listed above, and report back to everyone. Lol.

Sorcerers need to be redesigned and badly... Very, very, badly... I've mained a magicka Sorcerer since beta days, and as of post-DB... It's just... It's just plain disgraceful and sad what the developers did to the class. Luckily for me I had a magicka Dragonknight I've been using through the times as well as a secondary, and I too am highly-knowledgeable and skilled with magicka Dragonknight builds and usage. So they're my new main, until Sorcerers get "fixed".

You've misunderstood me. I am not making a pet build. It is my pet project, AKA my personal project. It's a colloquialism I assumed people would understand, am I mistaken? Now, we can stop the sickly-sweet attitude and get down to the meat of the problem, and that is that too many players were using their shields as a crutch. Sorc is every bit as viable as it was, and it will continue to be so. I PVP regularly, as that is the only valid endgame for any game, in my opinion, and I haven't been worse for wear post-patch. Being stuck in the past and unable to adapt, alluding to beta, it's no wonder people struggle.

TL;DR - Speak for yourself, and only yourself.

Well, from my personal experience, 95% of the sorcs I know ingame and have talked to rerolled classes this patch. I'm quite sure that's not only me seeing that. They got badly slaughtered in terms of decent builds available to them so that just one build is viable now and they're so unfun to play that watching paint dry is more fun

ALERT! Made up numbers and anecdotal evidence contained in this post.

All the people that cried for nerfs to sorcs did not provide any evidence that sorcs were OP, yet ZoS listened to the whiners and that's not made up. Literally one person I know kept playing sorcs. All others quit the game or rerolled because of Zenimax listening to these people and nerfed an ok class to uselessness.

So go on and be happy that Zenimax listens to people that can't bother to L2P. All the ones that cares for balance laughs at you.

Edited to remove insulting language.

Grao

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

Polysemy wrote: »

Magicka sorc DPS is in a great spot

Sorc Tank in also in a great spot

To much ignorance in tamriel for majority to realize that

Yes, sorcerers are the best crit based tanks in the game according to @Wrobel.

Mush55

Yes Sorcerers Need to be Buffed Again, They are too Weak.

Yes over load is good but it's an ulti not a spam spell , pets are none toggle toggle so required on all three bars and die even if they get a harsh stare, add that to the other toggles and if lucky I end up with enough space for 1 actual damage spell thats if you run a pet build.

As for a straight up magic sorc you still have 2 toggles plus buffs so that leaves 2 spots free on each bar

Oh forgot we have over load.

My mage blade uses one toggle the rest are damage skills and I don't really have to slot that just use it for the extra crit