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Two Stealth DLC...
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...yet no any passive ability that removes sneak speed penalty or increases sneak speed 
i am a stam blade and i dont wanna be a crappy vampire nor i dont wanna use night's silence set while there are way better options. I got 20/20 legerdemain 12/12 theives guild and 8 Dark brotherhood rank and all these skill lines for sneak play yet non of them increases sneak speed or removes the speed penalty thats so annoying zos 
I would go vampire but im a khajiit and vampire skin ruins my pelt this is the other annoying and non sensical thing in this game. Does people hairs/facials turns white when they become vampire NO ! why my khajiit turns completly white thats not logical vampires are white because they are undead but being dead doesnt affect hair color because hairs are technically already DEAD !!!! so fix this logic breaking thing ZOS !!!
also magicka morph of surprise attack increases speed which is nonsense stamina morph should increases the sneak speed since stamina is all about physical condition
Edited by Julianos on June 3, 2016 10:41AM i am a stam blade and i dont wanna be a crappy vampire nor i dont wanna use night's silence set while there are way better options. I got 20/20 legerdemain 12/12 theives guild and 8 Dark brotherhood rank and all these skill lines for sneak play yet non of them increases sneak speed or removes the speed penalty thats so annoying zos I would go vampire but im a khajiit and vampire skin ruins my pelt this is the other annoying and non sensical thing in this game. Does people hairs/facials turns white when they become vampire NO ! why my khajiit turns completly white thats not logical vampires are white because they are undead but being dead doesnt affect hair color because hairs are technically already DEAD !!!! so fix this logic breaking thing ZOS !!!
also magicka morph of surprise attack increases speed which is nonsense stamina morph should increases the sneak speed since stamina is all about physical condition
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Sheepski✭✭Eh I find when I'm sneaking for thievery or murder, I don't need a good set of stats, so I use Night's Silence for the speed boost, and it still easily has enough clout to do the little fighting I may find myself in. You don't even need it to be 160CP stuff, to save on mats just make a 140CP one.PC - EU - EP
Lladwr - Khajiit expert thief (also part time Nightblade)
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Julianos✭✭✭✭✭Eh I find when I'm sneaking for thievery or murder, I don't need a good set of stats, so I use Night's Silence for the speed boost, and it still easily has enough clout to do the little fighting I may find myself in. You don't even need it to be 160CP stuff, to save on mats just make a 140CP one.
yea i do that too also using nightshade set too but its annoying to carry them around0 -
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✭...yet no any passive ability that removes sneak speed penalty or increases sneak speed i am a stam blade and i dont wanna be a crappy vampire nor i dont wanna use night's silence set while there are way better options. I got 20/20 legerdemain 12/12 theives guild and 8 Dark brotherhood rank and all these skill lines for sneak play yet non of them increases sneak speed or removes the speed penalty thats so annoying zos
I would go vampire but im a khajiit and vampire skin ruins my pelt this is the other annoying and non sensical thing in this game. Does people hairs/facials turns white when they become vampire NO ! why my khajiit turns completly white thats not logical vampires are white because they are undead but being dead doesnt affect hair color because hairs are technically already DEAD !!!! so fix this logic breaking thing ZOS !!!
also magicka morph of surprise attack increases speed which is nonsense stamina morph should increases the sneak speed since stamina is all about physical condition
"I don't want to use X and Y" is not a valid reason to demand it being added to passives.
Sneak speed should not be available to everyone, putting it to passives would mean exactly that.0 -
emily3989✭✭✭✭✭So...the game has sneak speed buffs available to your character in two different ways, but you don't agree with that, so you want them to create a third option just for you? Both available options are available to everyone, so choose or don't choose.
As far as the sneak speed getting fixed, I wouldn't be on anything sooner than the next DLC, but hope I am wrong.
Personally I am a vamp, no real negatives to speak of, regen and bat swarm ult is cheap as hell, would like another ability but not stressed out about it. I have an old set of V7 Silence armor sitting in the closet if I ever decide to get cured as well.
I kind of agree about the surprise attack comment, but I am magika, so whatever. They could have the stamina morph increase sneak speed while slotted and give the magika some kind of disorient.
Edited by emily3989 on June 3, 2016 12:50PMThasi - V16 Magblade Vampire PC/NA1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't think combat benefiting skills should be tied to the DLC skill lines and I am pretty sure that's why ZOS tried to avoid it.
We already have cost reduction from the legerdemain tree which is open to all but means many people in Cyrodiil need to go and grind it up to get the lower costs for moving around hidden.
As others have said there are already armours for this or skills to improve speed.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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emily3989✭✭✭✭✭I don't think combat benefiting skills should be tied to the DLC skill lines and I am pretty sure that's why ZOS tried to avoid it.
We already have cost reduction from the legerdemain tree which is open to all but means many people in Cyrodiil need to go and grind it up to get the lower costs for moving around hidden.
As others have said there are already armours for this or skills to improve speed.
But the Magika morph does just that, increases stealth speed when slotted. Makes no sense to disagree with the stamina morph having a similar benefit based on anything. It's the same ability, just diff morph.
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✭✭✭✭NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.Edited by Lysette on June 3, 2016 1:29PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
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✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
What I was trying to tell you, is that TG and DB were in TES before there were even Nightblades - nightblades is ESO only content, while TG and DB is content which is common to all TES games since about 13 years. So this has nothing to do with nightblades, it's just related to TES itself.Edited by Lysette on June 3, 2016 1:41PM1 -
BucFanJKE✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
3/4. Ganking in sewers=nightblades spamming cloak, poroxy det, soul tether on unsuspecting people for tel var.0 -
ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
What I was trying to tell you, is that TG and DB were in TES before there were even Nightblades - nightblades is ESO only content, while TG and DB is content which is common to all TES games since about 13 years. So this has nothing to do with nightblades, it's just related to TES itself.
Exactly. Those two guilds were always known for their stealthiness... it's basically make your own class in TES games.... but whether you were stealthy or not you were supposed to learn to be for those guilds.
So no, not DLC for NBs. Stealth is a function built into every character in this game, some classes rely more on stealth than others for their attacks, but anyone can be stealthy. I play all classes, I know first hand.1 -
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✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
What I was trying to tell you, is that TG and DB were in TES before there were even Nightblades - nightblades is ESO only content, while TG and DB is content which is common to all TES games since about 13 years. So this has nothing to do with nightblades, it's just related to TES itself.
I get what you are saying, but it is irrelevant to what I am saying. All I am saying is that NBs should not be complaining. All of 2016's DLC is focused on their play style. The fact that it is iconic content does not change what I am saying. Just make a set of Night's silence to stealth faster.Edited by timidobserver on June 3, 2016 1:46PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't think combat benefiting skills should be tied to the DLC skill lines and I am pretty sure that's why ZOS tried to avoid it.
We already have cost reduction from the legerdemain tree which is open to all but means many people in Cyrodiil need to go and grind it up to get the lower costs for moving around hidden.
As others have said there are already armours for this or skills to improve speed.
But the Magika morph does just that, increases stealth speed when slotted. Makes no sense to disagree with the stamina morph having a similar benefit based on anything. It's the same ability, just diff morph.
Hey, if they switch Surprise Attack to the magicka morph and Concealed Weapon to the Stam morph I will not complain. :-P
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ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
What I was trying to tell you, is that TG and DB were in TES before there were even Nightblades - nightblades is ESO only content, while TG and DB is content which is common to all TES games since about 13 years. So this has nothing to do with nightblades, it's just related to TES itself.
I get what you are saying, but it is irrelevant to what I am saying. All I am saying is that NBs should not be complaining. All of 2016's DLC is focused on their play style. The fact that it is iconic content does not change what I am saying. Just make a set of Night's silence to stealth faster.
While it's not me you're replying to... a NB complaining or a Sorc complaining what's the difference? THERE ARE NO NIGHTBLADE DLCs. Sure, NBs are USED to stealthing more --- although I know some who rarely stealth. Dark Brotherhood and Thieve's Guild were always and will always be more stealthy guilds.
What you're saying is like me saying ahhhh Undaunted, Fighter's Guild, and Mage's Guild...... DK/SORC/TEMP should not be complaining because several years worth of work into content that caters more to the non-stealthy.
Yeah, I see what you're saying... but it's wrong. To someone not understanding of the TES universe sure I can see why you'd get that, but now you've been explained to a few times as to what it entails yet conveniently leave out the plenty of non-stealth content and try to make it a class thing.
I can stealth on any of my classes just as I can brute force my way through areas on any of my classes. It all comes down to a 3 letter acronym...L2P.0 -
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✭Wrobel wants us all to stand still when we fight, fallow the clues. The nerf to regular speed, every mob light attack is a snare, snares and roots all over pvp, nerf to vampire speed.0 -
Julianos✭✭✭✭✭whoever againts my idea about increased sneak speed passives then you guys dont use legerdemain %40 reduced sneak cost passive too cuz there are already set that reduce sneak cost...0
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭...yet no any passive ability that removes sneak speed penalty or increases sneak speed
Rapid Maneuvers or Quick Cloak are how I roll when I need to sneak fast.
Not passive, but way faster than any passive will ever make you, so there's that.
Also, about Surprise Attack / Concealed, it's always been my thought that Magickablades received the stealth speed bonus because a Stamblade can stay in stealth longer already.Edited by Varicite on June 3, 2016 1:59PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
What I was trying to tell you, is that TG and DB were in TES before there were even Nightblades - nightblades is ESO only content, while TG and DB is content which is common to all TES games since about 13 years. So this has nothing to do with nightblades, it's just related to TES itself.
I get what you are saying, but it is irrelevant to what I am saying. All I am saying is that NBs should not be complaining. All of 2016's DLC is focused on their play style. The fact that it is iconic content does not change what I am saying. Just make a set of Night's silence to stealth faster.
No, that is not a rational thought - just because something might be good for a certain playstyle, does not mean that the DLC would "be focused" on nightblades. That is not a logical conclusion, what you do there. That is just yóur perception of it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭ViciousWayz wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
What I was trying to tell you, is that TG and DB were in TES before there were even Nightblades - nightblades is ESO only content, while TG and DB is content which is common to all TES games since about 13 years. So this has nothing to do with nightblades, it's just related to TES itself.
I get what you are saying, but it is irrelevant to what I am saying. All I am saying is that NBs should not be complaining. All of 2016's DLC is focused on their play style. The fact that it is iconic content does not change what I am saying. Just make a set of Night's silence to stealth faster.
While it's not me you're replying to... a NB complaining or a Sorc complaining what's the difference? THERE ARE NO NIGHTBLADE DLCs. Sure, NBs are USED to stealthing more --- although I know some who rarely stealth. Dark Brotherhood and Thieve's Guild were always and will always be more stealthy guilds.
What you're saying is like me saying ahhhh Undaunted, Fighter's Guild, and Mage's Guild...... DK/SORC/TEMP should not be complaining because several years worth of work into content that caters more to the non-stealthy.
Yeah, I see what you're saying... but it's wrong. To someone not understanding of the TES universe sure I can see why you'd get that, but now you've been explained to a few times as to what it entails yet conveniently leave out the plenty of non-stealth content and try to make it a class thing.
I can stealth on any of my classes just as I can brute force my way through areas on any of my classes. It all comes down to a 3 letter acronym...L2P.
It isn't really as complicated as you are trying to make it. You can do anything on any class, but cloak and dagger, stealth gameplay favors the NB and benefits heavily from their class skillset. In a DLC about assassination, a class with a whole skill tree dedicated to assassination is in a good spot.Edited by timidobserver on June 3, 2016 2:03PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
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✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
3/4. Ganking in sewers=nightblades spamming cloak, poroxy det, soul tether on unsuspecting people for tel var.ViciousWayz wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
What I was trying to tell you, is that TG and DB were in TES before there were even Nightblades - nightblades is ESO only content, while TG and DB is content which is common to all TES games since about 13 years. So this has nothing to do with nightblades, it's just related to TES itself.
I get what you are saying, but it is irrelevant to what I am saying. All I am saying is that NBs should not be complaining. All of 2016's DLC is focused on their play style. The fact that it is iconic content does not change what I am saying. Just make a set of Night's silence to stealth faster.
While it's not me you're replying to... a NB complaining or a Sorc complaining what's the difference? THERE ARE NO NIGHTBLADE DLCs. Sure, NBs are USED to stealthing more --- although I know some who rarely stealth. Dark Brotherhood and Thieve's Guild were always and will always be more stealthy guilds.
What you're saying is like me saying ahhhh Undaunted, Fighter's Guild, and Mage's Guild...... DK/SORC/TEMP should not be complaining because several years worth of work into content that caters more to the non-stealthy.
Yeah, I see what you're saying... but it's wrong. To someone not understanding of the TES universe sure I can see why you'd get that, but now you've been explained to a few times as to what it entails yet conveniently leave out the plenty of non-stealth content and try to make it a class thing.
I can stealth on any of my classes just as I can brute force my way through areas on any of my classes. It all comes down to a 3 letter acronym...L2P.
It isn't really as complicated as you are trying to make it. You can do anything on any class, but cloak and dagger, stealth gameplay favors the NB and benefits heavily from their class skillset. In a DLC about assassination, a class with a whole skill tree dedicated to assassination is in a good spot.
But the conclusion in the other direction is illogical - to say, that the DLC is focusing on NB content - it is not, they focused on thievery and assassinations - not on a certain class - and as I pointed out, these guilds were there before there were even nightblades at all. So their focus cannot be nightblades. And DB assassinations are not done with assassination skills from the NB skill tree - but with the blade of woe - not teleport strike and kill - but with sneaking behind the target and take it out with the blade of woe ability.Edited by Lysette on June 3, 2016 2:07PM0 -
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This did NOT turn into a Nightblade thread"We're all born under the same sky and on the same earth. Therefore, we all deserve the same amount of respect."
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ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
3/4. Ganking in sewers=nightblades spamming cloak, poroxy det, soul tether on unsuspecting people for tel var.ViciousWayz wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
What I was trying to tell you, is that TG and DB were in TES before there were even Nightblades - nightblades is ESO only content, while TG and DB is content which is common to all TES games since about 13 years. So this has nothing to do with nightblades, it's just related to TES itself.
I get what you are saying, but it is irrelevant to what I am saying. All I am saying is that NBs should not be complaining. All of 2016's DLC is focused on their play style. The fact that it is iconic content does not change what I am saying. Just make a set of Night's silence to stealth faster.
While it's not me you're replying to... a NB complaining or a Sorc complaining what's the difference? THERE ARE NO NIGHTBLADE DLCs. Sure, NBs are USED to stealthing more --- although I know some who rarely stealth. Dark Brotherhood and Thieve's Guild were always and will always be more stealthy guilds.
What you're saying is like me saying ahhhh Undaunted, Fighter's Guild, and Mage's Guild...... DK/SORC/TEMP should not be complaining because several years worth of work into content that caters more to the non-stealthy.
Yeah, I see what you're saying... but it's wrong. To someone not understanding of the TES universe sure I can see why you'd get that, but now you've been explained to a few times as to what it entails yet conveniently leave out the plenty of non-stealth content and try to make it a class thing.
I can stealth on any of my classes just as I can brute force my way through areas on any of my classes. It all comes down to a 3 letter acronym...L2P.
It isn't really as complicated as you are trying to make it. You can do anything on any class, but cloak and dagger, stealth gameplay favors the NB and benefits heavily from their class skillset. In a DLC about assassination, a class with a whole skill tree dedicated to assassination is in a good spot.
I didn't make it complicated, if you find that complicated that's on you.
It's simple really..... TG and DB were and always will be shadowy, stealthy guilds as are their quests. It's The Elder Scrolls Online.
And as you said.. ANY class can do anything right? Any can be stealthy. There are literally ways to improve your stealth radius without being a NB built right into the game.
The entire game is more focused on non-stealth, so my very clear and uncomplicated point was... if you think half a year of DLC is catering to the stealthy, then the rest of the years cater to the non stealthy. Now I'm not outright saying that... because I think that's silly, but that's the argument you're making.
Shhhhh and stop complaining about someone you say is complaining (not even sure who it is, I'm guessing the OP?) due to your insignificant and single-minded reasoning.0 -
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✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
3/4. Ganking in sewers=nightblades spamming cloak, poroxy det, soul tether on unsuspecting people for tel var.ViciousWayz wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »NBs should be happy that they have spent a year releasing DLC for the nb play style.
This is not about nightblades at all - Thief guild and Dark Brotherhood are 2 of the iconic guilds in the Elder Scrolls. It would not really be TES, if those guilds would be missing. They were quite popular in Oblivion and Skyrim, so TES fans wanted this content - I like it a lot, even I have not progressed that far in these guilds yet - but I take my time, I am not in a hurry.
In terms of gameplay, it is still about 1/2 a year of content for the NB play style.
What I was trying to tell you, is that TG and DB were in TES before there were even Nightblades - nightblades is ESO only content, while TG and DB is content which is common to all TES games since about 13 years. So this has nothing to do with nightblades, it's just related to TES itself.
I get what you are saying, but it is irrelevant to what I am saying. All I am saying is that NBs should not be complaining. All of 2016's DLC is focused on their play style. The fact that it is iconic content does not change what I am saying. Just make a set of Night's silence to stealth faster.
While it's not me you're replying to... a NB complaining or a Sorc complaining what's the difference? THERE ARE NO NIGHTBLADE DLCs. Sure, NBs are USED to stealthing more --- although I know some who rarely stealth. Dark Brotherhood and Thieve's Guild were always and will always be more stealthy guilds.
What you're saying is like me saying ahhhh Undaunted, Fighter's Guild, and Mage's Guild...... DK/SORC/TEMP should not be complaining because several years worth of work into content that caters more to the non-stealthy.
Yeah, I see what you're saying... but it's wrong. To someone not understanding of the TES universe sure I can see why you'd get that, but now you've been explained to a few times as to what it entails yet conveniently leave out the plenty of non-stealth content and try to make it a class thing.
I can stealth on any of my classes just as I can brute force my way through areas on any of my classes. It all comes down to a 3 letter acronym...L2P.
It isn't really as complicated as you are trying to make it. You can do anything on any class, but cloak and dagger, stealth gameplay favors the NB and benefits heavily from their class skillset. In a DLC about assassination, a class with a whole skill tree dedicated to assassination is in a good spot.
But the conclusion in the other direction is illogical - to say, that the DLC is focusing on NB content - it is not, they focused on thievery and assassinations - not on a certain class - and as I pointed out, these guilds were there before there were even nightblades at all. So their focus cannot be nightblades. And DB assassinations are not done with assassination skills from the NB skill tree - but with the blade of woe - not teleport strike and kill - but with sneaking behind the target and take it out with the blade of woe ability.
This line of discussion is not worth anymore effort, so this is my last post on it. The last two DLCs favor NB gameplay and the nb skillset. It also thematically it fits with NBs. It's all about stealth and cloak and dagger. They have a skill line that shares a name with the primary theme of Dark Brotherhood. Doing heists is 100% easier on a NB. Hiding is 100% easier on a NB. NBs have an advantage in any DLC based around stealth.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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