I just want to give a friendly tip to the eso community :)

Savage_Audacity

Another point I would like to add that I have learned is: Know who you can and cant help when trying to spread positivity. Maybe someone can elaborate on this better than me. basically you dont want to get sidetracked from spreading positivity to people willing to accept it than people who are close minded to the idea and ate easily offended by your views. And if you cant tell either be confident or move on.

STEVIL

Savage_Audacity wrote: »

@STEVIL my takeaway from your comment is as follows:
I agree bad behavior is not acceptable or justified but at the same time i believe that people can change. I know ive changed a lot. you may be able to say the same if you reflect on your life, no?

I also would like to add... in order to give constructive criticism you must be able to take constructive criticism. If and when you do not agree with it you have to deal with it appropriately (again all my opinion).
To put that theory in action i would like to give you some constructive criticism and you may return the favor

In my perspective, I try to consider everyone around me to reach out to as many people as possible not just who im talking to (which in this case is you obviously) and in order to reachout to more than one person you have to be very careful with word choice, jargon, and acronymns. In your case an example is when you used OP. I know that means Original post but others may not know that for various reasons and should not be judged. So if i were the one to write your post I would have done my best (trying to be humble here) to use words, phrases, and acronymns that people who are not like minded with me can understand. make sense?

Makes sense.thanks for your input. We may disagree of course?

Savage_Audacity

Just so everyone is aware i created this post with the intent to both teach and learn. I have definitely learned a few things from the comments and for that I thank all of you who commented. However, i would like to return the favor if i havent already so feel free to keep commenting. if not thats fine too obviously

Savage_Audacity

STEVIL wrote: »

Savage_Audacity wrote: »

@STEVIL my takeaway from your comment is as follows:
I agree bad behavior is not acceptable or justified but at the same time i believe that people can change. I know ive changed a lot. you may be able to say the same if you reflect on your life, no?

I also would like to add... in order to give constructive criticism you must be able to take constructive criticism. If and when you do not agree with it you have to deal with it appropriately (again all my opinion).
To put that theory in action i would like to give you some constructive criticism and you may return the favor

In my perspective, I try to consider everyone around me to reach out to as many people as possible not just who im talking to (which in this case is you obviously) and in order to reachout to more than one person you have to be very careful with word choice, jargon, and acronymns. In your case an example is when you used OP. I know that means Original post but others may not know that for various reasons and should not be judged. So if i were the one to write your post I would have done my best (trying to be humble here) to use words, phrases, and acronymns that people who are not like minded with me can understand. make sense?

Makes sense.thanks for your input. We may disagree of course?

Agreeing to disagree is always an option! and sometimes the best option at that. I would prefer for you to elaborate but if not i am 110% fine with it and i will respect your decision either way.

Avidspark

Keep your "friendly tip" away from my regions!

Savage_Audacity

Avidspark wrote: »

Keep your friendly tip away from my regions!

Jokes=Laughter=Positive

emily3989

Savage_Audacity wrote: »

If you want to get rid of negativity on the forums or anywhere really, then do not address that negativity period. THINK ABOUT IT!!! Want proof? check out my thread thanking ZOS for crafting bags. I did my absolute best to not address a single negative comment and guess what... as of thursday june 2nd 2016 at 5:22 am a large majority of that thread is extremely positive and productive to my effort in thanking ZOS aka my primary goal. Again, PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT? Do your best not to overlook this simply because you think it wont help because myself and im sure many others think and feel this way. And yes, we may be wrong (which i am saying out of open-mindedness) but whos to say we are wrong until we give it 100% of our efforts and try it to try and spread the message? Dont get me wrong though! This one thread is going to end world wide negativity and may not even have any impact at all. Both are possibilities, but at the same time what is a possibility is that 5 people may have their eyes opened to how great positivity can be! All I ASK from any of you is to be considerate, open-minded, and if you feel inclined to do so then please join my effort in spreading positivity anywhere/anytime you can. If not then that is your choice and I will not tell anyone how to live their life. All i can do is my part, your part is up to you! Thanks for reading and have a great day! BUT WAIT!!! Do not forget to spread some positivity today and maybe just maybe tomorrow

Another forum moderator in hiding...

Savage_Audacity

emily3989 wrote: »

Savage_Audacity wrote: »

If you want to get rid of negativity on the forums or anywhere really, then do not address that negativity period. THINK ABOUT IT!!! Want proof? check out my thread thanking ZOS for crafting bags. I did my absolute best to not address a single negative comment and guess what... as of thursday june 2nd 2016 at 5:22 am a large majority of that thread is extremely positive and productive to my effort in thanking ZOS aka my primary goal. Again, PLEASE THINK ABOUT IT? Do your best not to overlook this simply because you think it wont help because myself and im sure many others think and feel this way. And yes, we may be wrong (which i am saying out of open-mindedness) but whos to say we are wrong until we give it 100% of our efforts and try it to try and spread the message? Dont get me wrong though! This one thread is going to end world wide negativity and may not even have any impact at all. Both are possibilities, but at the same time what is a possibility is that 5 people may have their eyes opened to how great positivity can be! All I ASK from any of you is to be considerate, open-minded, and if you feel inclined to do so then please join my effort in spreading positivity anywhere/anytime you can. If not then that is your choice and I will not tell anyone how to live their life. All i can do is my part, your part is up to you! Thanks for reading and have a great day! BUT WAIT!!! Do not forget to spread some positivity today and maybe just maybe tomorrow

Another forum moderator in hiding...

It feels good to know that you think that highly of my personality honestly. But nope i assure you im no forum mod hahaha pretty clever guess tho

Gidorick

Honestly dude, I think that thread about everyone who enjoys crafting bags shows the restraint of the community of players who are dissatisfied. It's great you guys are happy but there are many of us who feel slighted by ZOS. The fact that there wasn't a torrent of players ruining your thread is a credit to those players who dislike the bags being ESO+ exclusive.

Savage_Audacity

Edit: Great point and very insightful however there are many threads that refute that very perspective

Savage_Audacity

i think 1 factor (of many) that caused members of the forums to restrain from commenting was the immediate tyrade of positivity. nobody likes feeling like they dont fit in. the possibilities are endless.

STEVIL

Gidorick wrote: »

Honestly dude, I think that thread about everyone who enjoys crafting bags shows the restraint of the community of players who are dissatisfied. It's great you guys are happy but there are many of us who feel slighted by ZOS. The fact that there wasn't a torrent of players ruining your thread is a credit to those players who dislike the bags being ESO+ exclusive.

So not being sure, how many cookies should one get for electing to not "ruin" threads?

But hey, ok, i give you lauds, praises, accolades and props for choosing to not ruin one particular thread. You are a cut above. Kudos.

(Assumes you are a member of the group you discussed. If not, i take the nice things back.)

Uriel_Nocturne

SantieClaws wrote: »

So this one wonders - if your sugar dealer ever leaves town maybe you could consider making a purchase from khajiit or one of her associates yes?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

in my limited experience with the Khajiit (they don't often find their way to my homestead in Morrowind...); when I have coin, without fail, they have wares to sell.

Savage_Audacity

STEVIL wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Honestly dude, I think that thread about everyone who enjoys crafting bags shows the restraint of the community of players who are dissatisfied. It's great you guys are happy but there are many of us who feel slighted by ZOS. The fact that there wasn't a torrent of players ruining your thread is a credit to those players who dislike the bags being ESO+ exclusive.

So not being sure, how many cookies should one get for electing to not "ruin" threads?

But hey, ok, i give you lauds, praises, accolades and props for choosing to not ruin one particular thread. You are a cut above. Kudos.

(Assumes you are a member of the group you discussed. If not, i take the nice things back.)

We are all part of the same community friend. Lets treat each other with respect?

SahrotRein

This thread is counterproductive.

STEVIL

Savage_Audacity wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Honestly dude, I think that thread about everyone who enjoys crafting bags shows the restraint of the community of players who are dissatisfied. It's great you guys are happy but there are many of us who feel slighted by ZOS. The fact that there wasn't a torrent of players ruining your thread is a credit to those players who dislike the bags being ESO+ exclusive.

So not being sure, how many cookies should one get for electing to not "ruin" threads?

But hey, ok, i give you lauds, praises, accolades and props for choosing to not ruin one particular thread. You are a cut above. Kudos.

(Assumes you are a member of the group you discussed. If not, i take the nice things back.)

We are all part of the same community friend. Lets treat each other with respect?

So... you arent a member of the group that deserves credit for choosing to not ruin a thread?
Is that it?

People SHOULD be treated with respect, yes, until they prove otherwise.

Ideas however have no such presumption.

Schemering

thnx 4 advice; it is appreciated:)

rotaugen454

The forum equivalent of "La la la, I can't hear you!"

Savage_Audacity

Runaan wrote: »

This thread is counterproductive.

Im sorry you feel that way. Not everyone does though. Its all perspective

Savage_Audacity

STEVIL wrote: »

Savage_Audacity wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Honestly dude, I think that thread about everyone who enjoys crafting bags shows the restraint of the community of players who are dissatisfied. It's great you guys are happy but there are many of us who feel slighted by ZOS. The fact that there wasn't a torrent of players ruining your thread is a credit to those players who dislike the bags being ESO+ exclusive.

So not being sure, how many cookies should one get for electing to not "ruin" threads?

But hey, ok, i give you lauds, praises, accolades and props for choosing to not ruin one particular thread. You are a cut above. Kudos.

(Assumes you are a member of the group you discussed. If not, i take the nice things back.)

We are all part of the same community friend. Lets treat each other with respect?

So... you arent a member of the group that deserves credit for choosing to not ruin a thread?
Is that it?

People SHOULD be treated with respect, yes, until they prove otherwise.

Ideas however have no such presumption.

Im glad we are in agreeance with at least one thing. I am definitely a member of said group, and I understand what you are saying entirely. However, I wasnt trying to be negative. I was simply asking a question to try and understand your side of things better. It worked by the way. If you feel I said something I shouldnt have, then i am sorry. But to directly answer your question... No that is not it. I am no exception and am doing my best to remain positive but at the same time I am trying to keep an open mind. I shouldn't have jumped to a conclusion so quickly I admit. I will try and choose better words to convey my message in the future. But Im more of an "actions speak louder than words" guy.

Gidorick

STEVIL wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Honestly dude, I think that thread about everyone who enjoys crafting bags shows the restraint of the community of players who are dissatisfied. It's great you guys are happy but there are many of us who feel slighted by ZOS. The fact that there wasn't a torrent of players ruining your thread is a credit to those players who dislike the bags being ESO+ exclusive.

So not being sure, how many cookies should one get for electing to not "ruin" threads?

But hey, ok, i give you lauds, praises, accolades and props for choosing to not ruin one particular thread. You are a cut above. Kudos.

(Assumes you are a member of the group you discussed. If not, i take the nice things back.)

On the internet? Quite a few cookies. Different kinds. With milk in which to dump the cookies.

I think it shows that even though many people are upset about the crafting bags, as we have clearly seen, they don't want to go and ruin the excitement for those that are enjoying the bag.

It's easy to be nice to one another and positive when celebrating getting something you have wanted for a long time. It's hard to remain silent when you feel the opposite.

So yea @STEVIL ... give us (yea, us because I am part of that community) lauds and whatnot for respecting our fellow player enough to just let them have their fun. I think that deserves at least as much praise as this thread is giving the original thread.

Krombie

But you metioned the negativity that can't be good.... you attracted negativity.... negativity will come...

Lord_Eomer

Actually i made couple of posts after frustrating with something(Group Tool) this is because i saw others posting before..

Should have a rant page to post any rant...

Reevster

Arato

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

How would we get improvements if we dont say anything negative?

Since release players complained about the limited storage space, this led to the introduction of the crafting bag.

I personally think the (negative) feedback is really good, it means that people care enough to say what can be improved.
Fact is that not every player can pleased, that why its good we can discuss positive and negative features on this forum.

This so much, if you say everything is puppy dogs and ice cream, no positive changes ever get made. it takes negative comments and criticism to get things like the crafting bag made in the first place.

Psyonico

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

I personally think the (negative) feedback is really good, it means that people care enough to say what can be improved.
Fact is that not every player can pleased, that why its good we can discuss positive and negative features on this forum.

Negativity and negative feedback are two very different things.

Let me give you a real world example. I manage people for a living. If I were to just say "you guys are terrible, why can't you get anything right?" No good would cover of it.

If I say "these are what I'm seeing needs improvement and here are suggestions on how you can improve" then we get somewhere.

These forums are so negative, but it isn't feedback, it is whining.

Savage_Audacity

Psyonico wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

I personally think the (negative) feedback is really good, it means that people care enough to say what can be improved.
Fact is that not every player can pleased, that why its good we can discuss positive and negative features on this forum.

Negativity and negative feedback are two very different things.

Let me give you a real world example. I manage people for a living. If I were to just say "you guys are terrible, why can't you get anything right?" No good would cover of it.

If I say "these are what I'm seeing needs improvement and here are suggestions on how you can improve" then we get somewhere.

These forums are so negative, but it isn't feedback, it is whining.

You worded that much better than I could, but at least I tried

EDIT: I just wish I was more able to help people think like that. (not being judgmental, just wanna be helpful)

SteveCampsOut

This one thinks Siri started all this....

SlayerTheDragon

How many crowns did ZOS give you for this post?

Alurria

I want to thank the OP for this thread. Criticism and negativity are two very different things. All the years I have read gaming forums, this forum is not the worst for negativity but it's very bad at times. Take a look at the first page, seeing all those rage posts are ridiculous. I would rather read constructive criticism than 'why can't you get anything right' threads, they have no substance just whines.

I am guilty however at times some people bring the salt out in me. Sure there are problems with the new download, am I sure that the developers know this...am I sure fixes will ensue yep...it happens with every game. Will I froth at the mouth and write a rant no. As far as the crafting bags...there is a choice it's pretty cut and dry. Sub or don't sub. I sub because I like subscription base games. I am enjoying my game time here and no matter what nothing or no one influences my decisions about how I use my leisure time. When I'm done I will be done but know one will ever know. ESO is a good game...it's a MMO that means always in development I'm rolling with that.