PrinceFabious wrote: »Did you get banned Rhage? Lol
Bfish22090 wrote: »what are your thoughts that most of the players caught cheating were DC based
PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
PrinceFabious wrote: »Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
I dont know about other emps.
PrinceFabious wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
I dont know about other emps.
Lol suspicious
PrinceFabious wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
I dont know about other emps.
Lol suspicious
This is going to overshadow your shuffle exploit cry hahaha
Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
I dont know about other emps.
Lol suspicious
This is going to overshadow your shuffle exploit cry hahaha
Dont worry, I wont ever call you a cheater.
PrinceFabious wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
I dont know about other emps.
Lol suspicious
This is going to overshadow your shuffle exploit cry hahaha
PrinceFabious wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
I dont know about other emps.
Lol suspicious
This is going to overshadow your shuffle exploit cry hahaha
Shuffle exploit makes a lot more sense now, actually, considering how easy it is to simply up your dodge rate. Given recent developments I'd say it's far more likely people were noting something legitimately fishy than not.
PrinceFabious wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
I dont know about other emps.
Lol suspicious
This is going to overshadow your shuffle exploit cry hahaha
Shuffle exploit makes a lot more sense now, actually, considering how easy it is to simply up your dodge rate. Given recent developments I'd say it's far more likely people were noting something legitimately fishy than not.
So heres my thinking..PrinceFabious wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
I dont know about other emps.
Lol suspicious
This is going to overshadow your shuffle exploit cry hahaha
Shuffle exploit makes a lot more sense now, actually, considering how easy it is to simply up your dodge rate. Given recent developments I'd say it's far more likely people were noting something legitimately fishy than not.
PrinceFabious wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
I dont know about other emps.
Lol suspicious
This is going to overshadow your shuffle exploit cry hahaha
Shuffle exploit makes a lot more sense now, actually, considering how easy it is to simply up your dodge rate. Given recent developments I'd say it's far more likely people were noting something legitimately fishy than not.
I don't know if I agree or disagree. I've gotten countless rage tells saying I exploit shuffle but I can promise you I don't use this shameless hack. Could that hack be used to exploit dodge chance? It's wouldn't be out of the question because of what I saw in Fengrush's video of people flying and what not. The game is just really in a horrible state right now
PrinceFabious wrote: »So heres my thinking..PrinceFabious wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Do you know of any other Emps that got banned? Or was it just you?Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
@Ghostbane
I was emp on 28.05.2016 Azura EU PC and got perma-banned on Monday.
@Tower_Of_Shame
Sorry to hear that bud, make sure you appeal that. If they are checking all the rights things as they say, you should be reinstated in no time.
It is exceptionally annoying though, as I can imagine that there is some first time emps that have had this happen.PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »Since when has ZOS banned people without proof? Ive reported people many times and the only one that actually got someone banned was when I sent a screenshot of the toxic messages he was saying. They even said they are checking logs to see if these programs are being used.
Which is why most of the active Emperors in the past 48 hours have been handed a ban?
This shows that they are using facts based on logs. Yea, they screwed up on the Emperors..but thats not my point.
I hope it's the case bud, it seems to me if someone gets reported a certain amount of times, they are straight up temp banned (under investigation), which is pretty crummy. A few players have already spoke out on this happening to them.
I was emp before just wanted for the fun on the weekend, maybe I should have skipped on this plan...
I dont know about other emps.
Lol suspicious
This is going to overshadow your shuffle exploit cry hahaha
Shuffle exploit makes a lot more sense now, actually, considering how easy it is to simply up your dodge rate. Given recent developments I'd say it's far more likely people were noting something legitimately fishy than not.
The "shuffle crew" didnt want to be caught using this cheat which is why they dont spam ultimate like idiots(Zazeer) so why not use the cheat engine on SHUFFLE where they can blame it on the RNG and leave us with no counter argument and this they havent been caught.
It literally makes sense now. #exposed
@Lyar09 We have fought several times on the field and can say that your shuffle seemed normal.. You are not unkillable which is why(no offense) you arent as well known as the 3-4 shuffle exploiters.