Video showing the client hack running rampant on PC right now. (Name & Shame free)

OtarTheMad

Khamira wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

But imagine how many houses you could build with nova! You could create your very own real estate market bubble.

Or completely redesign Aldmeri Dominion Base...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfkSFbI1oTI

Did he go to the MurderThumbs School of Design?

zyk

Docmandu wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Docmandu wrote: »

And some of you want to move all logic back to the game client for "performance" reasons... how do you think Cyrodiil would look if that ever happens.

Anyway I'm sure we're going to see "I was wrongfully banned" posts on here and reddit now, but glad ZOS is taking this seriously.

Moving the calculations back to client side is fine, the problem is ZOS has refused to follow the path of pretty much most modern MMOs and use a gameguard program that would monitor your system processes and detect hacking programs like Cheat Engine. This really isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

Neither is it difficult to hide a hack from stuff like that.

The biggest issue with ESO's poor security isn't the flying meteor spammers. Over the years, there have been many videos of blatantly cheating players and I do believe those players are generally disciplined. Whether that is true or not, it's easy to detect and ban players like that. They are short-term annoyances.

The biggest issue are the savvy cheaters who limit the use of cheats to make it difficult to discern they are being used. Because ESO is progression based, systems like VAC work very well in weeding out the cheaters who feign legitimacy.

In a Valve game, when a cheat detected, cheaters aren't immediately actioned. The cheat becomes a honey pot to attract other cheaters who are all later banned in waves. This is an effective deterrent that results in a PVP environment with greater integrity.

As customers, we should be furious that a world-class publisher like Zenimax marketed and released an AAA AvA PVP title without investing the resources to best enable fair play.

As ESO stands now, no accomplishments really matter because none of us can prove we didn't cheat. The shadow of doubt will now be cast on anyone who defeats another. It sucks.

@ZOS_MattFiror I know that you know better. This is a horrible lapse in ethics. Do the right thing. Apologize and make this right. Invest the resources to fix this and give us the experience we paid for.

HoloYoitsu

zyk wrote: »

The biggest issue with ESO's poor security isn't the flying meteor spammers. Over the years, there have been many videos of blatantly cheating players and I do believe those players are generally disciplined. Whether that is true or not, it's easy to detect and ban players like that. They are short-term annoyances.

Short term like Blinxey and Bishop, am I right?

zyk wrote: »

As customers, we should be furious that a world-class publisher like Zenimax marketed and released an AAA AvA PVP title without investing the resources to best enable fair play.

I'm more furious at myself for believing ZOS to be a world class publisher.

Rhandee235

forzajuve212 wrote: »

This is the video everyone needs to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7G3UnF1eZU

I can't stand it any more. As I have read all these threads about the cheats, all I could think about was how I ran into a player a couple of times in the Trueflame IC sewers, outside the DC base.

The first time, He was standing as though AFK, alone. I attacked from behind, and for 60 seconds dumped every skill I had on him. Nothing. No impact at all. He then "awoke" and took me out fairly quickly. Fighting him also glitched my system, causing my skill bars to lock up. Eventually my game completely crashed as I rezzed in base and went back out to try again.

The next time I encountered him was about a month ago. He was up to his same shananigans, except he no longer was causing my game to crash. I would stand right in front of him, target him for a lotus fan attack, and would get a message that "target is out of range". I was joined by three to four others over the next hour and we could not kill this guy, he just hung out and took on the small group trying to do him in.

I somehow convinced myself that I am just missing something and needed to try harder. I wish now that I had taken video, and reported this guy.

Not to name and shame, he is the second guy from the left of the cheater in this video. The one in the dress.

This group must be so proud of their accomplishments.

Xvorg

forzajuve212 wrote: »

This is the video everyone needs to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7G3UnF1eZU

At least this one is lore friendly (?)

After reading most of the posts about this issue, the feeling is sadness. More than anger or anything else.

Most of us paid to play this... paid because we believed in the project. To know that all the whinning regarding macroes (now I understand why there were people saying so firmly this had nothig to do with macroes) was in certain way right, and that ZOS did nothing to protect their customer... or was unable to do anything to protect us... gosh!!

I don't blame Zazeer for what he did, in certain way he forced us to open our eyes, but I don't consider what he did was right. As somebody said, why not trying this in the PvE and then submitting all the videos to ZOS? But then again, the damned question: was better the game last night when I didn't know anything about this, despite everything was there?

For the last 2 years I've been playing with a broken toy. Now that I know it was broken from the very beginning, will I enjoy it again in the same way I enjoyed when I knew nothing about this?

There's no joy in a broken toy... and that makes me sad.

Lokey0024

That the new hurricane morph? Wrobel must have rolled a stam sorc.

ColoursYouHave

To me, this whole thing has revealed a much larger issue than these people spamming unlimited ultimate. Sure, people doing this are undoubtedly causing a problem that needs to be taken care of, but stuff like this is also fairly easy to detect. From what I've been hearing, this cheat engine can modify much more than a player's ability to repeatedly use an ultimate. So what about somebody who is using this in a more subtle manner? Could somebody not boost something like their max stam/stam regen to really high levels, with the only evidence of cheating being anecdotal in that they appear to never run out of resources? That means that until ZOS figures out a way to actually detect cheat engines like this modifying the code (which I'm no expert, so I do not know how difficult this would be, or even if it is 100% possible), players will always be able to use something like this in a subtle way to give themselves a competitive advantage without ever creating evidence that can be detected by other players.

It also makes you wonder who has been using this to gain subtle advantages all along. I would never accuse somebody of cheating without evidence as clear as something like the unlimited meteors, and as an average player I have no doubt that plenty of people can open a can of ass-whoopin' on me without using any sort of cheats, but with all of this being revealed this weekend, it certainly puts the thought in your head anytime you are engaged in a fight with a very strong player that they may not even being playing under the same set of rules as you. This also really hurts legitimately skilled players as well, as not only will it cause even more people to question whether or not they are playing fair, but it will also diminish what they've been able to accomplish when anybody can go in and change values to make themselves appear to be a better player than they actually are.

Pain In The Axe

Things like this is why I will never play ESO again. My main account was banned PERMANENTLY just because the name "pain in the axe" was "offensive" I guess ZOS wants to play the PC snowflake card rather than ban people who hack or abuse major bugs.

Flake

Pain In The Axe wrote: »

Things like this is why I will never play ESO again. My main account was banned PERMANENTLY just because the name "pain in the axe" was "offensive" I guess ZOS wants to play the PC snowflake card rather than ban people who hack or abuse major bugs.

Pain I miss joo

IxSTALKERxI

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

This also really hurts legitimately skilled players as well, as not only will it cause even more people to question whether or not they are playing fair, but it will also diminish what they've been able to accomplish when anybody can go in and change values to make themselves appear to be a better player than they actually are.

^This. There are so many posts saying things along the lines of 'Turns out i'm not a bad player after all, everyone that kills me is just a hacker.'

RadioheadSh0t

Zaldan wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Thank you. If you haven't seen this video yet, this is the most troubling one out of all the stuff that it happening. This needs to be top priority.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7G3UnF1eZU

Thank you for reporting these and providing video proof. We've got that one and three others that have gone off to the Support, Live, and Dev teams for review and investigation.

While we'd prefer our players not call out others for allegedly cheating in-game here on the forums -- mainly because those of us here on the forums don't have access to the tools and game logs needed to investigate those claims while the Support team does -- the use of external cheat programs is not something we take lightly. We are investigating those who have been reported for this behavior.

"allegedly cheating" lol priceless

undiscovered means of flying in ESO confirmed

Didn't you know? Invisible dragons brah, available in the crown store for only your left nut!

Publius_Scipio

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Zaldan wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

forzajuve212 wrote: »

Thank you. If you haven't seen this video yet, this is the most troubling one out of all the stuff that it happening. This needs to be top priority.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7G3UnF1eZU

Thank you for reporting these and providing video proof. We've got that one and three others that have gone off to the Support, Live, and Dev teams for review and investigation.

While we'd prefer our players not call out others for allegedly cheating in-game here on the forums -- mainly because those of us here on the forums don't have access to the tools and game logs needed to investigate those claims while the Support team does -- the use of external cheat programs is not something we take lightly. We are investigating those who have been reported for this behavior.

"allegedly cheating" lol priceless

undiscovered means of flying in ESO confirmed

Didn't you know? Invisible dragons brah, available in the crown store for only your left nut!

This made me lol irl.

Lord-Stien

Pain In The Axe wrote: »

Things like this is why I will never play ESO again. My main account was banned PERMANENTLY just because the name "pain in the axe" was "offensive" I guess ZOS wants to play the PC snowflake card rather than ban people who hack or abuse major bugs.

I remember that ...... twas dumb

Jules

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

To me, this whole thing has revealed a much larger issue than these people spamming unlimited ultimate. Sure, people doing this are undoubtedly causing a problem that needs to be taken care of, but stuff like this is also fairly easy to detect. From what I've been hearing, this cheat engine can modify much more than a player's ability to repeatedly use an ultimate. So what about somebody who is using this in a more subtle manner? Could somebody not boost something like their max stam/stam regen to really high levels, with the only evidence of cheating being anecdotal in that they appear to never run out of resources? That means that until ZOS figures out a way to actually detect cheat engines like this modifying the code (which I'm no expert, so I do not know how difficult this would be, or even if it is 100% possible), players will always be able to use something like this in a subtle way to give themselves a competitive advantage without ever creating evidence that can be detected by other players.

It also makes you wonder who has been using this to gain subtle advantages all along. I would never accuse somebody of cheating without evidence as clear as something like the unlimited meteors, and as an average player I have no doubt that plenty of people can open a can of ass-whoopin' on me without using any sort of cheats, but with all of this being revealed this weekend, it certainly puts the thought in your head anytime you are engaged in a fight with a very strong player that they may not even being playing under the same set of rules as you. This also really hurts legitimately skilled players as well, as not only will it cause even more people to question whether or not they are playing fair, but it will also diminish what they've been able to accomplish when anybody can go in and change values to make themselves appear to be a better player than they actually are.

This dude gets it. 10/10

Rune_Relic

This is what hyper competitive games and people bring.
Winning is all that matters.
How its done is not an issue for them.
If they arent good enough to win without cheating...they cheat.
If they find a cheat that others are using ....they adopt it without question.
Secrecy is the prime directive to ensure success.
ZOS thus ensures they succeed.

Client side programming is not the issue. Its essential if you want multiplayer and reasonable performance.
The issue is client security and its enforcement.
Usermode code should not be able to look outside the bounds of its own memory.
It should be in a box isolated from all other process and data should be encrypted in cache before being dumped to ram.
A process should have a key that decrypts inbound ram and encrypts outbound data to ram.

Perhaps we need code + key/id + data on every instruction....like we do with network packets.
Like we have users and groups for files and folders.