What's with these awful Templars?!

Snape2255 · May 2016

All I have been seeing recently is a horde of Templars who enter any fight only using Jesus Beam. Like seriously...I could be on my sorc, full health and full shields with NO ONE around me and a Templar just starts popping Jesus Beam on me. What's the deal with that?! I've basically got 200% health at that time, how is Jesus Beam effective for them whatsoever?

As someone whose first character was a Templar, and who mains one quite regularly, it frustrates me to no end to see this. I use the skill myself but if I see their health go anywhere above the 30% mark I cancel it immediately because there are more effective skills to use at that point. Even if they dark flare spammed it wouldn't bother me as much, it's just this mass of Templars who spam nothing but Jesus Beam even when you're full health. They're always v16s too. Like seriously guys this tickles me and you're on your own, or no one else is attacking me. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

It frustrates me just to see play so shockingly awful. Take yourselves to the side and have a word. Soon.

What's everyone else's thoughts on this?

Sunburnt_Penguin · May 2016

Do you often dodge roll, break LoS and/or use Shuffle?

If so, spamming an ability that can't be dodged makes sense.

Snape2255 · May 2016

damtotb16_ESO wrote: »

So much salt

It's endearing seeing someone who supports these players, shows who the easy targets are.

The fact of the matter is that these players NEVER pose a threat. They are easily dispatched and never play their char effectively. The only time I've seen them kill someone is when in the middle of a huge Zerg. When alone they melt in seconds, even in their heals, because they can't play efficiently. It's a shame really.

It figures though that they're always amongst the red Zerg, coincidentally the biggest. Unfortunately the number of players amongst that Zerg who can actually play well alone are minimal.

Snape2255 · May 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Do you often dodge roll, break LoS and/or use Shuffle?

If so, spamming an ability that can't be dodged makes sense.

I do, yes, however if any of the remotely decent Templars I play with/against can adjust accordingly, I find it difficult to believe that the vast majority have to resort to the spam of that skill.

The shuffle dodge exploit is the biggest thing to overcome, however it's still doable and if you're playing effectively you can melt people without having to spam Jesus Beam. It just seems that they can only run in zergs and spam that, if they're caught alone they don't know what to do

outsideworld76 · May 2016

No... no... they should call it the James T. Kirk beam, he got all the blonde, green and purple chicks and could dodge any dangerous situation, what a boss.

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Firerock2 · May 2016

outsideworld76 wrote: »

No... no... they should call it the James T. Kirk beam, he got all the blonde, green and purple chicks and could dodge any dangerous situation, what a boss.

wat?

outsideworld76 · May 2016

Firerock2 wrote: »

outsideworld76 wrote: »

No... no... they should call it the James T. Kirk beam, he got all the blonde, green and purple chicks and could dodge any dangerous situation, what a boss.

wat?

Radiant destruction aka jezus beam.

Sunburnt_Penguin · May 2016

Snape2255 wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Do you often dodge roll, break LoS and/or use Shuffle?

If so, spamming an ability that can't be dodged makes sense.

I do, yes, however if any of the remotely decent Templars I play with/against can adjust accordingly, I find it difficult to believe that the vast majority have to resort to the spam of that skill.

The shuffle dodge exploit is the biggest thing to overcome, however it's still doable and if you're playing effectively you can melt people without having to spam Jesus Beam. It just seems that they can only run in zergs and spam that, if they're caught alone they don't know what to do

I personally don't see any issues with them spamming it under those circumstances because you're trying to gain an advantage by dodging their abilities and they're countering that by using one which can't be dodged, rather than wasting resources on spamming something like that doesn't hit and drains their resources anyway.

If they're spamming it when you're not trying to evade or you're in their face then it's different.

P.S. I don't know if you intended to but your penultimate sentence reads like you're admitting you're using the Shuffle exploit.

Takes-No-Prisoner · May 2016

Snape2255 wrote: »

All I have been seeing recently is a horde of Templars who enter any fight only using Jesus Beam.

Aren't they the cutest little angels on the battlefield? 1.0

WillhelmBlack · May 2016

They see the 20K tick on their death recap and think it's OP. They get their healer out and slot it. Spam away hoping someone will WB or frag you. Easy tactic.

Isn't that obvious?

Skitttles · May 2016

Should be called steezus beam for its dank face melting powers.

Reevster · May 2016

I have hit it by mistake in the heat of a battle too early and felt like a dumby lol, not very usefull above 30 percent.

WillhelmBlack · May 2016

Reevster wrote: »

I have hit it by mistake in the heat of a battle too early and felt like a dumby lol, not very usefull above 30 percent.

I do that, same slot as Purify on other bar! Nearly got me killed a few times.

Pallio · May 2016

They read the misinformation here about how super powerful Jesus Beam is from 100%, roll a Templar and think that is all they need LOL..

Lokey0024 · May 2016

Do not judge the zerglings. They have a Nightblade summon passive that has a 30% per tick chance, you know, because nightblades like all the shiny things.

Lightninvash · May 2016

Snape2255 wrote: »

All I have been seeing recently is a horde of Templars who enter any fight only using Jesus Beam. Like seriously...I could be on my sorc, full health and full shields with NO ONE around me and a Templar just starts popping Jesus Beam on me. What's the deal with that?! I've basically got 200% health at that time, how is Jesus Beam effective for them whatsoever?

As someone whose first character was a Templar, and who mains one quite regularly, it frustrates me to no end to see this. I use the skill myself but if I see their health go anywhere above the 30% mark I cancel it immediately because there are more effective skills to use at that point. Even if they dark flare spammed it wouldn't bother me as much, it's just this mass of Templars who spam nothing but Jesus Beam even when you're full health. They're always v16s too. Like seriously guys this tickles me and you're on your own, or no one else is attacking me. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

It frustrates me just to see play so shockingly awful. Take yourselves to the side and have a word. Soon.

What's everyone else's thoughts on this?

the only reason I can understand using it is if like yesterday. I was fighting a guy and when I threw a spell at him he would dodge roll out of it and I would miss. So if I used the beam it would hit him regardless if he rolled or not. Or if the enemy is a DK and is using flappy wings it would be a good use just because it wont be returned. That's the only reason I would use them. if not for execute.

Snape2255 · May 2016

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

If they're spamming it when you're not trying to evade or you're in their face then it's different.

P.S. I don't know if you intended to but your penultimate sentence reads like you're admitting you're using the Shuffle exploit.

I often see them doing that too. Simply spamming it when you're standing still. It doesn't even do much damage unless they're low health so it's just awkward.

Sorry, this wasn't my intention. I personally don't even know how to use it to be honest. I've heard rumours, but none of the sets/skills that initiate it are ones that I run on any chars, and I won't go out of my way to slot them/craft them just to exploit something.

Reevster wrote: »

I have hit it by mistake in the heat of a battle too early and felt like a dumby lol, not very usefull above 30 percent.

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

I do that, same slot as Purify on other bar! Nearly got me killed a few times.

I do it quite regularly if I'm honest. Dark Flare is a huge culprit of it too. However if you hit the Block button it cancels any ability that is channeled or "charged" like RD or DF. The problem for me lies in spamming a button and not realising I'm on the wrong bar until I've blitzed through a load of resources wondering what's happening

It's them moments where you THINK you swapped, but you apparently didn't.

Either way, it's more the Templars who will spam it no matter what (whether you're still, dodge rolling or anything), no matter your health.

There's one guy on our campaign who, when he started using Dark Flare against us instead, our entire guild chat erupted in cheers and people saying "HE'S LEARNT A NEW SKILL! WOOO!". Needless to say he was a V16 Red who loves to zerg.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

Ya I've seen em . They're not the ones to worry about .

redspecter23 · May 2016

I think the issue is not with players throwing the beam at good players. It's that when they throw it at an average or bad player they melt almost immediately especially if there is any backup dps hitting the target as well. They get so used to that, they just lead with it against any opponent. From their point of view it works quite often (against bad players) but at first glance they can't tell how good any opponent may be.

Rakkul · May 2016

nerf Jesus Beam

Baconlad · May 2016

Yeah...haha, I do that frequently, spam radiant two times before I realize that its not dark flare...but if they do it to a sorc...thats just bad, they are not the smartest OR they are a healer. J-beam is great against dodge rollers though and I DO hit it against them at full health.

NBrookus · May 2016

Or a dodge roller at full health will roll in front your target and get beamed instead.

Snape2255 · May 2016

I've been known to use it against DKs spamming wings constantly, provided I am at a distance and just to keep the pressure on. But with players using reflects or dodging I prefer to go for a more in-your-face approach.

I tend to charge in, ensure I have a CC immunity pot ready if necessary, and start applying pressure with puncturing sweeps.

I've recently re-built my Magicka Temp and my sweeps can do 10k damage if it's 4 crits. I'd rather jump in and crack a few of them out instead of spamming Jesus Beam. I'd only open with the skill if it were a DK spamming wings and I was on top of a keep and couldn't get close.

Ashamray · May 2016

Nbs spam SA! Oh!
DKs spam WB! Ugh!
Templars spam beam! Eh!
Sorcs spam shield! Ah!
What to do, what to do?

Snape2255 · May 2016

Ashamray wrote: »

Nbs spam SA! Oh!
DKs spam WB! Ugh!
Templars spam beam! Eh!
Sorcs spam shield! Ah!
What to do, what to do?

The issue with NBs is Fear, not SA tbh. Even if they do spam it, Fear is what gets you every time not SA.
DKs spamming WB....meh yawn. Go S&B and play decently. Or use Flurry come next patch.
Templars spamming beam...they're simply scrubs. Any remotely decent Templar won't be caught spamming that *** from start to finish unless the enemy started on >30% health
Sorcs spam shield...yeah true they do, but have you tried running a Sorc without shields? They drop quicker than a Magicka Nightblade wearing Soul-Shriven Cloth clothes and using a dagger and nothing else. At least they tried to "nerf" shields...even though it's actually buffed them.

The whole point of this topic was to stimulate a discussion about the spam of Jesus Beam. Not because it's "OMFG OP NERF IT'S KILLING EVERYONE OMFG WHY". But because it's such a shockingly poor tactic that actually has such little relevance to any decent player other than as a minor irritation which can easily be disposed of once you get anywhere near the spammer.

Rakkul · May 2016

Ashamray wrote: »

Nbs spam SA! Oh!
DKs spam WB! Ugh!
Templars spam beam! Eh!
Sorcs spam shield! Ah!
What to do, what to do?

answer:
nerf Sorc shield so they spam it more
give everyone a shield
bound to work.

Jaronking · May 2016

Only problem I have is when you get by 3-4 Jesus beam at the same time.Its not a nice experience.

Bandit1215 · May 2016

Honestly I almost have zero respect for most templars anymore because whenever someone brings up the problem (yes it is a problem) with RD, they *** saying they have no useful ults or that they were just "healing bots" before and that somehow justifies RD being the most broken ability in the game. If I sound like a whiney *** I will admit I am right now because I am sick and tired of being hit by ONE RD AT ONLY HALF HEALTH AND BEING DEAD IN 2 SECONDS. IMO if you *** templar are ok with RD being so ridiculously OP, then *** off with not having good ultimates. Try being a stamsorc who has NO op abilities, Stam ultimates other than DB next patch, and getting our primary source of healing *** by Wrobel. And yes, I play both classes, a v15 templar and a v4 stamsorc.

timidobserver · May 2016

The only valid reason to use it on a 100% health Sorc with full shields is 999+ ping.

Snape2255 · May 2016

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Honestly I almost have zero respect for most templars anymore because whenever someone brings up the problem (yes it is a problem) with RD, they *** saying they have no useful ults or that they were just "healing bots" before and that somehow justifies RD being the most broken ability in the game. If I sound like a whiney *** I will admit I am right now because I am sick and tired of being hit by ONE RD AT ONLY HALF HEALTH AND BEING DEAD IN 2 SECONDS. IMO if you *** templar are ok with RD being so ridiculously OP, then *** off with not having good ultimates. Try being a stamsorc who has NO op abilities, Stam ultimates other than DB next patch, and getting our primary source of healing *** by Wrobel. And yes, I play both classes, a v15 templar and a v4 stamsorc.

Anyone who states that Templars don't have efficient ultimates is talking out of their ass. Not only can we use DB (until next patch) and Meteor like every other player (and let's face it, Meteor is easily amongst the most powerful ultimates). We also have a healing ultimate that makes you practically invulnerable for 4-5 seconds, WHILST healing your team to full. We have an AoE, DoT slow that has a synergy attached that, if activated, can do huge burst damage. Plus we also have Empowering Sweep, which is absolutely astonishing if used correctly. That spell isn't there for the raw damage output that, let's say...Soul Harvest...is there for. Empowering Sweep allows you to charge directly into the middle of 5-6 enemies and then be practically unkillable for a good 6-10 seconds whilst you're bashing into them due to the damage reduction.

I'd class anyone who states that Templars have poor ultimates alongside those who spam Jesus Beam all day, every day. The bunch of morons who cannot play effectively.

As for Stam Sorcs? Well...yeah...you have my sympathies, truly....

Curragraigue · May 2016

Snape2255 wrote: »

All I have been seeing recently is a horde of Templars who enter any fight only using Jesus Beam. Like seriously...I could be on my sorc, full health and full shields with NO ONE around me and a Templar just starts popping Jesus Beam on me. What's the deal with that?! I've basically got 200% health at that time, how is Jesus Beam effective for them whatsoever?

As someone whose first character was a Templar, and who mains one quite regularly, it frustrates me to no end to see this. I use the skill myself but if I see their health go anywhere above the 30% mark I cancel it immediately because there are more effective skills to use at that point. Even if they dark flare spammed it wouldn't bother me as much, it's just this mass of Templars who spam nothing but Jesus Beam even when you're full health. They're always v16s too. Like seriously guys this tickles me and you're on your own, or no one else is attacking me. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

It frustrates me just to see play so shockingly awful. Take yourselves to the side and have a word. Soon.

What's everyone else's thoughts on this?

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