Regarding Dw/Bow builds

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dday3six wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

70% of bow dps comes from Poison Injection and Volley these dots can easily be replaced with caltrops and rending slashes and if you're a DKs you have the best Dot in the game (obviously if you have the Maelstrom bow you will use Volley)

Volley can only be used in a group play on your own it sucks you can't kite all mobs in the AoE...

With these comments, I think that you have a serious misunderstanding of how DPS and how the BOW in general is used in PVE.

DPS is damage per second. Having more DOTs active at once will mean more damage. Builds will not replace Poison Injection and Endless Hail/Volley with Rending Slashes and Razor Caltrops they'll use all of them. Even DK on single target in group content will use Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath as will as the other four dots.

It's not unless they need the slots for other utility that dots are trimmed because of their importance to DPS output. This os were Maelstrom or PVP builds start to come into play.

I'll also note that Volley/Endless Hail is used in Maelstrom, and you can kite mobs into the AOE. The reason it and often Caltrops are used is because a player can attack portals with both damaging enemies before you can even see them.

Good point there, although I do beleive I would be a chore keeping up all those dots.

As for volley/endless hail you can drop the ground dot on an archer or spell caster but and melee mobs won't just stand in it unless you bombard them in it (some mobs are root immune) or cast it on your feet and reposition yourself but at that point you might as well just be melee and screw using the bow as a main hand weapon.

dday3six

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

70% of bow dps comes from Poison Injection and Volley these dots can easily be replaced with caltrops and rending slashes and if you're a DKs you have the best Dot in the game (obviously if you have the Maelstrom bow you will use Volley)

Volley can only be used in a group play on your own it sucks you can't kite all mobs in the AoE...

With these comments, I think that you have a serious misunderstanding of how DPS and how the BOW in general is used in PVE.

DPS is damage per second. Having more DOTs active at once will mean more damage. Builds will not replace Poison Injection and Endless Hail/Volley with Rending Slashes and Razor Caltrops they'll use all of them. Even DK on single target in group content will use Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath as will as the other four dots.

It's not unless they need the slots for other utility that dots are trimmed because of their importance to DPS output. This os were Maelstrom or PVP builds start to come into play.

I'll also note that Volley/Endless Hail is used in Maelstrom, and you can kite mobs into the AOE. The reason it and often Caltrops are used is because a player can attack portals with both damaging enemies before you can even see them.

Good point there, although I do beleive I would be a chore keeping up all those dots.

As for volley/endless hail you can drop the ground dot on an archer or spell caster but and melee mobs won't just stand in it unless you bombard them in it (some mobs are root immune) or cast it on your feet and reposition yourself but at that point you might as well just be melee and screw using the bow as a main hand weapon.

Well that's the thing, maintaining a tight rotation is a chore. The game is not going to hand out good DPS without you putting in work.

You drag melee mobs back through ground based DOTs. Start the fight by putting your ground based AOE on the enemy. Approach the DOTs location and move through it. Thus pulling the enemy back through. Watch Magicka NBs or Sorc Maelstrom run videos and you'll see a several examples of this.

Kiting in ESO involves using angles so the enemies can't attack you rather than totally out-ranging them. Most attacks have enough range (melee is up to 7m) that it's not also the option to back out of melee range once an enemy has closed the distance.

FortheloveofKrist

While on this topic... Has any other vet bow user ditched Snipe for long range heavy attacks. It seems to do nearly the same amount of damage and frees up a skill for the bow bar.

Am I the only one who no longer uses Snipe? (Don't get me wrong, I like the skill and its morphs)

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FortheloveofKrist wrote: »

While on this topic... Has any other vet bow user ditched Snipe for long range heavy attacks. It seems to do nearly the same amount of damage and frees up a skill for the bow bar.

Am I the only one who no longer uses Snipe? (Don't get me wrong, I like the skill and its morphs)

@FortheloveofKrist

I would do that if heavy attack had similar range to snipe

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dday3six wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

70% of bow dps comes from Poison Injection and Volley these dots can easily be replaced with caltrops and rending slashes and if you're a DKs you have the best Dot in the game (obviously if you have the Maelstrom bow you will use Volley)

Volley can only be used in a group play on your own it sucks you can't kite all mobs in the AoE...

With these comments, I think that you have a serious misunderstanding of how DPS and how the BOW in general is used in PVE.

DPS is damage per second. Having more DOTs active at once will mean more damage. Builds will not replace Poison Injection and Endless Hail/Volley with Rending Slashes and Razor Caltrops they'll use all of them. Even DK on single target in group content will use Venomous Claw and Noxious Breath as will as the other four dots.

It's not unless they need the slots for other utility that dots are trimmed because of their importance to DPS output. This os were Maelstrom or PVP builds start to come into play.

I'll also note that Volley/Endless Hail is used in Maelstrom, and you can kite mobs into the AOE. The reason it and often Caltrops are used is because a player can attack portals with both damaging enemies before you can even see them.

Good point there, although I do beleive I would be a chore keeping up all those dots.

As for volley/endless hail you can drop the ground dot on an archer or spell caster but and melee mobs won't just stand in it unless you bombard them in it (some mobs are root immune) or cast it on your feet and reposition yourself but at that point you might as well just be melee and screw using the bow as a main hand weapon.

Well that's the thing, maintaining a tight rotation is a chore. The game is not going to hand out good DPS without you putting in work.

You drag melee mobs back through ground based DOTs. Start the fight by putting your ground based AOE on the enemy. Approach the DOTs location and move through it. Thus pulling the enemy back through. Watch Magicka NBs or Sorc Maelstrom run videos and you'll see a several examples of this.

Kiting in ESO involves using angles so the enemies can't attack you rather than totally out-ranging them. Most attacks have enough range (melee is up to 7m) that it's not also the option to back out of melee range once an enemy has closed the distance.

You don't get it MagNBs and Sorcs don't need to be at range to deal full dmg archers do though.

Also they are magic builds they have all kinds of area denial, healing and dmg shields archers do not.

Melee mobs will just melt you doing that unless you have high stam regen and roll like a monkey, plus good luck killing mobs when your snipe hits for like 16K crit every 1.1 sec when I could AC SA and hit 13K crits.