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Does Tamriel Unlimited suggest...
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Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vvardenfell, where is Vvardenfell ?
I don't understand why people want to revisit areas from SP TES games as a priority - Morrowind is my #1 game ever, but I'd put Vvardenfell at the end of my "want" list for ESO. I feel as though it's the same sort of thing that makes people want to vacation in the same place every year.
And then they complain how it doesn't look anything like it did in the other game lol0 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
Actually thats not at all what I am talking about I have, had and always will have a subscription to ESO so the crafting bag topic is mute for me.
Not you, the user I quoted. Sorry for the confusion.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
@Abeille
As described by ZOS it's a feature update among many in the DB update where ZOS has decided not to allow this feature to apply and locked it behind a subscription. While the rest of your comment doesn't apply to me, on topic to the OP they are asking about the use of the word "unlimited".
As such the original description from ZOS of what unlimited means, it's described as all base game feature updates being free and absent of a subscription. As of DB, by ZOS' definition of unlimited, it changes to "limited"
Trying to keep this on topic as it's the actual response based on the TU change.
The OP asked if we are "limited to Tamriel". The subject of the thread is if we are not going anywhere else other than Tamriel, even if other people posted snark comments that didn't have much to do with the original post. This is the actual topic, as I understood it, if either we are limited to Tamriel or not.
The problem is your choice of words. You called it a "base game new feature" without specifying what it is, and that can cause people to panic and think it is actually some big base game change that won't be applied to them (which is a matter up to debate, since some people think the crafting bags fit that description while others do not). I merely explained what you were talking about and what the discussion was about it since you did not. Just trying to avoid having people freaking out here, since they are already freaking out everywhere else. It is like if I went in a thread with someone asking about the Veteran Ranks removal and said "Yep lvl 50 will be the highest level" without specifying that we will still get the VR1-VR16 attributes and skill points as normal.
@Abeille
No the post is "Does Tamriel Unlimited suggest...that we are since limited to Tamriel?"
They are asking about the title change and if it relates to Tamriel.
My answer is No, the title isn't suggesting you're limited to Tamriel, it's meaning was implied that you're no longer limited to having to subscribe to play the game and it's updates.
Also, please go read the PTS patch notes as you're suggesting I'm creating a false interpretation. Please read what ZOS wrote and where the crafting bag feature as describe is listed under the base patch update section here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2909368/#Comment_2909368
And that's what I said. They are asking if it means we are limited to Tamriel. That's the subject of this thread. See my first answer on this thread, I gave examples of why we are NOT limited to Tamriel, thus the title "Tamriel Unlimited" does not suggest that. And like other user said, the "Unlimited" means "Unlimited Playtime", because you do not lose access to the game if you stop subscribing. And the crafting bags do not really change that.
And I'm not sure why you would link the patch notes (that I read thoroughly quite a few times, since I am spending all of my game time on the last month testing stuff on the PTS). The patch notes would only matter if you were spreading false information, which is not the case, and I never said it was. But you were spreading incomplete information, which indeed creates the risk of creating false interpretations and, with that, panic. You don't have to think about the people who do not come to the forums or do not watch updates closely when you post, but do not expect people to do the same and just not complete the information.
Why are you bothered by the fact that I completed the information that you posted? Honestly, unless you WANTED to cause panic, which I don't think it is the reason, I see no reason for that.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Epona222✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Vvardenfell, where is Vvardenfell ?
I don't understand why people want to revisit areas from SP TES games as a priority - Morrowind is my #1 game ever, but I'd put Vvardenfell at the end of my "want" list for ESO. I feel as though it's the same sort of thing that makes people want to vacation in the same place every year.
And then they complain how it doesn't look anything like it did in the other game lol
"When we first came here in 2002, it was wild and beautiful with secluded areas and great natural beauty - now it's all nightclubs, malls, and hotels"
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Vvardenfell, where is Vvardenfell ?
I don't understand why people want to revisit areas from SP TES games as a priority - Morrowind is my #1 game ever, but I'd put Vvardenfell at the end of my "want" list for ESO. I feel as though it's the same sort of thing that makes people want to vacation in the same place every year.
I too would prefer areas I never been to, especially the ones in Summerset. But! I have high hopes that TES VI will be in the Dominion, so I imagine that isn't happening until then.
I really wanted to see more of Elsweyr, too. Maybe we could even see more Khajiit furstocks one day.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
Actually thats not at all what I am talking about I have, had and always will have a subscription to ESO so the crafting bag topic is mute for me.
Not you, the user I quoted. Sorry for the confusion.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
@Abeille
As described by ZOS it's a feature update among many in the DB update where ZOS has decided not to allow this feature to apply and locked it behind a subscription. While the rest of your comment doesn't apply to me, on topic to the OP they are asking about the use of the word "unlimited".
As such the original description from ZOS of what unlimited means, it's described as all base game feature updates being free and absent of a subscription. As of DB, by ZOS' definition of unlimited, it changes to "limited"
Trying to keep this on topic as it's the actual response based on the TU change.
The OP asked if we are "limited to Tamriel". The subject of the thread is if we are not going anywhere else other than Tamriel, even if other people posted snark comments that didn't have much to do with the original post. This is the actual topic, as I understood it, if either we are limited to Tamriel or not.
The problem is your choice of words. You called it a "base game new feature" without specifying what it is, and that can cause people to panic and think it is actually some big base game change that won't be applied to them (which is a matter up to debate, since some people think the crafting bags fit that description while others do not). I merely explained what you were talking about and what the discussion was about it since you did not. Just trying to avoid having people freaking out here, since they are already freaking out everywhere else. It is like if I went in a thread with someone asking about the Veteran Ranks removal and said "Yep lvl 50 will be the highest level" without specifying that we will still get the VR1-VR16 attributes and skill points as normal.
@Abeille
No the post is "Does Tamriel Unlimited suggest...that we are since limited to Tamriel?"
They are asking about the title change and if it relates to Tamriel.
My answer is No, the title isn't suggesting you're limited to Tamriel, it's meaning was implied that you're no longer limited to having to subscribe to play the game and it's updates.
Also, please go read the PTS patch notes as you're suggesting I'm creating a false interpretation. Please read what ZOS wrote and where the crafting bag feature as describe is listed under the base patch update section here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2909368/#Comment_2909368
And that's what I said. They are asking if it means we are limited to Tamriel. That's the subject of this thread. See my first answer on this thread, I gave examples of why we are NOT limited to Tamriel, thus the title "Tamriel Unlimited" does not suggest that. And like other user said, the "Unlimited" means "Unlimited Playtime", because you do not lose access to the game if you stop subscribing. And the crafting bags do not really change that.
And I'm not sure why you would link the patch notes (that I read thoroughly quite a few times, since I am spending all of my game time on the last month testing stuff on the PTS). The patch notes would only matter if you were spreading false information, which is not the case, and I never said it was. But you were spreading incomplete information, which indeed creates the risk of creating false interpretations and, with that, panic. You don't have to think about the people who do not come to the forums or do not watch updates closely when you post, but do not expect people to do the same and just not complete the information.
Why are you bothered by the fact that I completed the information that you posted? Honestly, unless you WANTED to cause panic, which I don't think it is the reason, I see no reason for that.
@Abeille
You're merging it.
It reads Does Tamriel Unlimited (does the name on the box) suggest ....
A- NO it doesn't suggest that, it means....(my comment)
Unlimited is described specifically that without a sub, according all ZOS articles, you will get "Base game updates and base game features" without the need to subscribe.
So as results of the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited which stands today, as of release of DB, based on how ZOS describes the upcoming changes, based on the OP's question, it doesn't limit ESO to Tamriel but it does limit a new base game update feature to subscribing.
I linked you to the patch notes because you continue to suggest that I'm implying my own interpretation instead of literally what ZOS staff has placed on their websites and update notes.
Q-Why am I bothered?
A-I'm not bothered but your comments suggest things that I'm not suggesting. It's not panic, it's information, that perhaps the OP didn't know because they asked about the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited.
You didn't complete anything, your assuming and trying to imply thoughts of your own towards my comments which are untrue. I'm correcting those. That's it.
Understand the only reason I added the bags was because a user prior referenced the bags and ESO Plus as unlimited which I thought it made sense to provide a real answer as no one had responded accurately on the subscription piece which is a response to the OP.
You're response while it made sense to the OP interpretation, wasn't why ZOS decided to use "unlimited" in the title change.
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
Actually thats not at all what I am talking about I have, had and always will have a subscription to ESO so the crafting bag topic is mute for me.
Not you, the user I quoted. Sorry for the confusion.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
@Abeille
As described by ZOS it's a feature update among many in the DB update where ZOS has decided not to allow this feature to apply and locked it behind a subscription. While the rest of your comment doesn't apply to me, on topic to the OP they are asking about the use of the word "unlimited".
As such the original description from ZOS of what unlimited means, it's described as all base game feature updates being free and absent of a subscription. As of DB, by ZOS' definition of unlimited, it changes to "limited"
Trying to keep this on topic as it's the actual response based on the TU change.
The OP asked if we are "limited to Tamriel". The subject of the thread is if we are not going anywhere else other than Tamriel, even if other people posted snark comments that didn't have much to do with the original post. This is the actual topic, as I understood it, if either we are limited to Tamriel or not.
The problem is your choice of words. You called it a "base game new feature" without specifying what it is, and that can cause people to panic and think it is actually some big base game change that won't be applied to them (which is a matter up to debate, since some people think the crafting bags fit that description while others do not). I merely explained what you were talking about and what the discussion was about it since you did not. Just trying to avoid having people freaking out here, since they are already freaking out everywhere else. It is like if I went in a thread with someone asking about the Veteran Ranks removal and said "Yep lvl 50 will be the highest level" without specifying that we will still get the VR1-VR16 attributes and skill points as normal.
@Abeille
No the post is "Does Tamriel Unlimited suggest...that we are since limited to Tamriel?"
They are asking about the title change and if it relates to Tamriel.
My answer is No, the title isn't suggesting you're limited to Tamriel, it's meaning was implied that you're no longer limited to having to subscribe to play the game and it's updates.
Also, please go read the PTS patch notes as you're suggesting I'm creating a false interpretation. Please read what ZOS wrote and where the crafting bag feature as describe is listed under the base patch update section here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2909368/#Comment_2909368
And that's what I said. They are asking if it means we are limited to Tamriel. That's the subject of this thread. See my first answer on this thread, I gave examples of why we are NOT limited to Tamriel, thus the title "Tamriel Unlimited" does not suggest that. And like other user said, the "Unlimited" means "Unlimited Playtime", because you do not lose access to the game if you stop subscribing. And the crafting bags do not really change that.
And I'm not sure why you would link the patch notes (that I read thoroughly quite a few times, since I am spending all of my game time on the last month testing stuff on the PTS). The patch notes would only matter if you were spreading false information, which is not the case, and I never said it was. But you were spreading incomplete information, which indeed creates the risk of creating false interpretations and, with that, panic. You don't have to think about the people who do not come to the forums or do not watch updates closely when you post, but do not expect people to do the same and just not complete the information.
Why are you bothered by the fact that I completed the information that you posted? Honestly, unless you WANTED to cause panic, which I don't think it is the reason, I see no reason for that.
@Abeille
You're merging it.
It reads Does Tamriel Unlimited (does the name on the box) suggest ....
A- NO it doesn't suggest that, it means....(my comment)
Unlimited is described specifically that without a sub, according all ZOS articles, you will get "Base game updates and base game features" without the need to subscribe.
So as results of the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited which stands today, as of release of DB, based on how ZOS describes the upcoming changes, based on the OP's question, it doesn't limit ESO to Tamriel but it does limit a new base game update feature to subscribing.
I linked you to the patch notes because you continue to suggest that I'm implying my own interpretation instead of literally what ZOS staff has placed on their websites and update notes.
Q-Why am I bothered?
A-I'm not bothered but your comments suggest things that I'm not suggesting. It's not panic, it's information, that perhaps the OP didn't know because they asked about the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited.
You didn't complete anything, your assuming and trying to imply thoughts of your own towards my comments which are untrue. I'm correcting those. That's it.
Understand the only reason I added the bags was because a user prior referenced the bags and ESO Plus as unlimited which I thought it made sense to provide a real answer as no one had responded accurately on the subscription piece which is a response to the OP.
You're response while it made sense to the OP interpretation, wasn't why ZOS decided to use "unlimited" in the title change.
We disagree on what "Unlimited" means. It doesn't mean all the new game features will be available without the need to subscribe - in fact, the FAQ only says "certain features" will be sold in the Crown Store, it doesn't say that all of them will. The other bonuses to ESO+, excluding DLC, are not sold in the Crown Store either. "Unlimited" does mean you do not lose access to the game when you stop subscribing, like other user said. It is a name that was coined to reflect the change in the model, since before you WOULD lose access to the game if you stopped subscribing. That's why ZOS decided to use "Unlimited" in the title.
And your original comment did omit information. It didn't even mention the "Crafting Bags" by name. You just said "base game new features" instead of just saying "Crafting Bags". As I said, I do not think it was with the purpose of causing panic, but said omission CAN cause panic, which is why I completed the information (and it is strange to me that you feel the need to defend your original post just because I added information to what you said). Maybe you just assumed everyone would instantly understand what you were talking about and no one would freak out, thus thinking that completing it was unnecessary. I prefer not to assume this kind of thing.
Read my reply to your first post again. I told people to not panic, I didn't say "you are trying to create panic". Then I explained what you were talking about, since you didn't do that yourself, and what the opposing sides of the discussion regarding the Crafting Bags were saying in a nutshell. I didn't even take sides on that post, I merely explained what you were talking about. Unless you were NOT talking about the Crafting Bags, nothing I "implied" about what you said was untrue, since that is the only thing that I implied.
My problem is not with the fact that you mentioned the bags. My problem is with the fact that you didn't. You left that little bit of information in the air.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
Actually thats not at all what I am talking about I have, had and always will have a subscription to ESO so the crafting bag topic is mute for me.
Not you, the user I quoted. Sorry for the confusion.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
@Abeille
As described by ZOS it's a feature update among many in the DB update where ZOS has decided not to allow this feature to apply and locked it behind a subscription. While the rest of your comment doesn't apply to me, on topic to the OP they are asking about the use of the word "unlimited".
As such the original description from ZOS of what unlimited means, it's described as all base game feature updates being free and absent of a subscription. As of DB, by ZOS' definition of unlimited, it changes to "limited"
Trying to keep this on topic as it's the actual response based on the TU change.
The OP asked if we are "limited to Tamriel". The subject of the thread is if we are not going anywhere else other than Tamriel, even if other people posted snark comments that didn't have much to do with the original post. This is the actual topic, as I understood it, if either we are limited to Tamriel or not.
The problem is your choice of words. You called it a "base game new feature" without specifying what it is, and that can cause people to panic and think it is actually some big base game change that won't be applied to them (which is a matter up to debate, since some people think the crafting bags fit that description while others do not). I merely explained what you were talking about and what the discussion was about it since you did not. Just trying to avoid having people freaking out here, since they are already freaking out everywhere else. It is like if I went in a thread with someone asking about the Veteran Ranks removal and said "Yep lvl 50 will be the highest level" without specifying that we will still get the VR1-VR16 attributes and skill points as normal.
@Abeille
No the post is "Does Tamriel Unlimited suggest...that we are since limited to Tamriel?"
They are asking about the title change and if it relates to Tamriel.
My answer is No, the title isn't suggesting you're limited to Tamriel, it's meaning was implied that you're no longer limited to having to subscribe to play the game and it's updates.
Also, please go read the PTS patch notes as you're suggesting I'm creating a false interpretation. Please read what ZOS wrote and where the crafting bag feature as describe is listed under the base patch update section here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2909368/#Comment_2909368
And that's what I said. They are asking if it means we are limited to Tamriel. That's the subject of this thread. See my first answer on this thread, I gave examples of why we are NOT limited to Tamriel, thus the title "Tamriel Unlimited" does not suggest that. And like other user said, the "Unlimited" means "Unlimited Playtime", because you do not lose access to the game if you stop subscribing. And the crafting bags do not really change that.
And I'm not sure why you would link the patch notes (that I read thoroughly quite a few times, since I am spending all of my game time on the last month testing stuff on the PTS). The patch notes would only matter if you were spreading false information, which is not the case, and I never said it was. But you were spreading incomplete information, which indeed creates the risk of creating false interpretations and, with that, panic. You don't have to think about the people who do not come to the forums or do not watch updates closely when you post, but do not expect people to do the same and just not complete the information.
Why are you bothered by the fact that I completed the information that you posted? Honestly, unless you WANTED to cause panic, which I don't think it is the reason, I see no reason for that.
@Abeille
You're merging it.
It reads Does Tamriel Unlimited (does the name on the box) suggest ....
A- NO it doesn't suggest that, it means....(my comment)
Unlimited is described specifically that without a sub, according all ZOS articles, you will get "Base game updates and base game features" without the need to subscribe.
So as results of the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited which stands today, as of release of DB, based on how ZOS describes the upcoming changes, based on the OP's question, it doesn't limit ESO to Tamriel but it does limit a new base game update feature to subscribing.
I linked you to the patch notes because you continue to suggest that I'm implying my own interpretation instead of literally what ZOS staff has placed on their websites and update notes.
Q-Why am I bothered?
A-I'm not bothered but your comments suggest things that I'm not suggesting. It's not panic, it's information, that perhaps the OP didn't know because they asked about the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited.
You didn't complete anything, your assuming and trying to imply thoughts of your own towards my comments which are untrue. I'm correcting those. That's it.
Understand the only reason I added the bags was because a user prior referenced the bags and ESO Plus as unlimited which I thought it made sense to provide a real answer as no one had responded accurately on the subscription piece which is a response to the OP.
You're response while it made sense to the OP interpretation, wasn't why ZOS decided to use "unlimited" in the title change.
We disagree on what "Unlimited" means. It doesn't mean all the new game features will be available without the need to subscribe - in fact, the FAQ only says "certain features" will be sold in the Crown Store, it doesn't say that all of them will. The other bonuses to ESO+, excluding DLC, are not sold in the Crown Store either. "Unlimited" does mean you do not lose access to the game when you stop subscribing, like other user said. It is a name that was coined to reflect the change in the model, since before you WOULD lose access to the game if you stopped subscribing. That's why ZOS decided to use "Unlimited" in the title.
And your original comment did omit information. It didn't even mention the "Crafting Bags" by name. You just said "base game new features" instead of just saying "Crafting Bags". As I said, I do not think it was with the purpose of causing panic, but said omission CAN cause panic, which is why I completed the information (and it is strange to me that you feel the need to defend your original post just because I added information to what you said). Maybe you just assumed everyone would instantly understand what you were talking about and no one would freak out, thus thinking that completing it was unnecessary. I prefer not to assume this kind of thing.
Read my reply to your first post again. I told people to not panic, I didn't say "you are trying to create panic". Then I explained what you were talking about, since you didn't do that yourself, and what the opposing sides of the discussion regarding the Crafting Bags were saying in a nutshell. I didn't even take sides on that post, I merely explained what you were talking about. Unless you were NOT talking about the Crafting Bags, nothing I "implied" about what you said was untrue, since that is the only thing that I implied.
My problem is not with the fact that you mentioned the bags. My problem is with the fact that you didn't. You left that little bit of information in the air.
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That user already mentioned the sub and the bags. My comment is literally adding to that but not to derail the thread as they were not asking about crafting bags but instead the name which is about the subscription changes.
Adding in the bags completely details the OP's topic which was left out so I didn't derail.
Now it's derailed because you wanted it in here, which wasn't the purpose nor was that of any concern to the OP at all.
See the skipped over that comment so it made no sense to bring it back up cause that's not their question.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
Actually thats not at all what I am talking about I have, had and always will have a subscription to ESO so the crafting bag topic is mute for me.
Not you, the user I quoted. Sorry for the confusion.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
@Abeille
As described by ZOS it's a feature update among many in the DB update where ZOS has decided not to allow this feature to apply and locked it behind a subscription. While the rest of your comment doesn't apply to me, on topic to the OP they are asking about the use of the word "unlimited".
As such the original description from ZOS of what unlimited means, it's described as all base game feature updates being free and absent of a subscription. As of DB, by ZOS' definition of unlimited, it changes to "limited"
Trying to keep this on topic as it's the actual response based on the TU change.
The OP asked if we are "limited to Tamriel". The subject of the thread is if we are not going anywhere else other than Tamriel, even if other people posted snark comments that didn't have much to do with the original post. This is the actual topic, as I understood it, if either we are limited to Tamriel or not.
The problem is your choice of words. You called it a "base game new feature" without specifying what it is, and that can cause people to panic and think it is actually some big base game change that won't be applied to them (which is a matter up to debate, since some people think the crafting bags fit that description while others do not). I merely explained what you were talking about and what the discussion was about it since you did not. Just trying to avoid having people freaking out here, since they are already freaking out everywhere else. It is like if I went in a thread with someone asking about the Veteran Ranks removal and said "Yep lvl 50 will be the highest level" without specifying that we will still get the VR1-VR16 attributes and skill points as normal.
@Abeille
No the post is "Does Tamriel Unlimited suggest...that we are since limited to Tamriel?"
They are asking about the title change and if it relates to Tamriel.
My answer is No, the title isn't suggesting you're limited to Tamriel, it's meaning was implied that you're no longer limited to having to subscribe to play the game and it's updates.
Also, please go read the PTS patch notes as you're suggesting I'm creating a false interpretation. Please read what ZOS wrote and where the crafting bag feature as describe is listed under the base patch update section here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2909368/#Comment_2909368
And that's what I said. They are asking if it means we are limited to Tamriel. That's the subject of this thread. See my first answer on this thread, I gave examples of why we are NOT limited to Tamriel, thus the title "Tamriel Unlimited" does not suggest that. And like other user said, the "Unlimited" means "Unlimited Playtime", because you do not lose access to the game if you stop subscribing. And the crafting bags do not really change that.
And I'm not sure why you would link the patch notes (that I read thoroughly quite a few times, since I am spending all of my game time on the last month testing stuff on the PTS). The patch notes would only matter if you were spreading false information, which is not the case, and I never said it was. But you were spreading incomplete information, which indeed creates the risk of creating false interpretations and, with that, panic. You don't have to think about the people who do not come to the forums or do not watch updates closely when you post, but do not expect people to do the same and just not complete the information.
Why are you bothered by the fact that I completed the information that you posted? Honestly, unless you WANTED to cause panic, which I don't think it is the reason, I see no reason for that.
@Abeille
You're merging it.
It reads Does Tamriel Unlimited (does the name on the box) suggest ....
A- NO it doesn't suggest that, it means....(my comment)
Unlimited is described specifically that without a sub, according all ZOS articles, you will get "Base game updates and base game features" without the need to subscribe.
So as results of the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited which stands today, as of release of DB, based on how ZOS describes the upcoming changes, based on the OP's question, it doesn't limit ESO to Tamriel but it does limit a new base game update feature to subscribing.
I linked you to the patch notes because you continue to suggest that I'm implying my own interpretation instead of literally what ZOS staff has placed on their websites and update notes.
Q-Why am I bothered?
A-I'm not bothered but your comments suggest things that I'm not suggesting. It's not panic, it's information, that perhaps the OP didn't know because they asked about the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited.
You didn't complete anything, your assuming and trying to imply thoughts of your own towards my comments which are untrue. I'm correcting those. That's it.
Understand the only reason I added the bags was because a user prior referenced the bags and ESO Plus as unlimited which I thought it made sense to provide a real answer as no one had responded accurately on the subscription piece which is a response to the OP.
You're response while it made sense to the OP interpretation, wasn't why ZOS decided to use "unlimited" in the title change.
We disagree on what "Unlimited" means. It doesn't mean all the new game features will be available without the need to subscribe - in fact, the FAQ only says "certain features" will be sold in the Crown Store, it doesn't say that all of them will. The other bonuses to ESO+, excluding DLC, are not sold in the Crown Store either. "Unlimited" does mean you do not lose access to the game when you stop subscribing, like other user said. It is a name that was coined to reflect the change in the model, since before you WOULD lose access to the game if you stopped subscribing. That's why ZOS decided to use "Unlimited" in the title.
And your original comment did omit information. It didn't even mention the "Crafting Bags" by name. You just said "base game new features" instead of just saying "Crafting Bags". As I said, I do not think it was with the purpose of causing panic, but said omission CAN cause panic, which is why I completed the information (and it is strange to me that you feel the need to defend your original post just because I added information to what you said). Maybe you just assumed everyone would instantly understand what you were talking about and no one would freak out, thus thinking that completing it was unnecessary. I prefer not to assume this kind of thing.
Read my reply to your first post again. I told people to not panic, I didn't say "you are trying to create panic". Then I explained what you were talking about, since you didn't do that yourself, and what the opposing sides of the discussion regarding the Crafting Bags were saying in a nutshell. I didn't even take sides on that post, I merely explained what you were talking about. Unless you were NOT talking about the Crafting Bags, nothing I "implied" about what you said was untrue, since that is the only thing that I implied.
My problem is not with the fact that you mentioned the bags. My problem is with the fact that you didn't. You left that little bit of information in the air.
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That user already mentioned the sub and the bags. My comment is literally adding to that but not to derail the thread as they were not asking about crafting bags but instead the name which is about the subscription changes.
Adding in the bags completely details the OP's topic which was left out so I didn't derail.
Now it's derailed because you wanted it in here, which wasn't the purpose nor was that of any concern to the OP at all.
See the skipped over that comment so it made no sense to bring it back up cause that's not their question.
It wasn't the OP who mentioned them, your post didn't quote or tagged the people who mentioned them and your post wasn't directly under the posts that mentioned the bag. The people who mentioned it didn't explain what it was, and their posts could only be linked to yours by someone who already had previous information about the crafting bags. I knew what you were talking about when you said that "base game new features" would be added for subs, but it doesn't mean everybody knew. Because their posts were skipped over, there was the need to say that the "base game new features" you were referring to was that thing that was just skipped over, so that people wouldn't freak out, which was all I wanted to avoid. And no one is freaking out, so yay.
And since we were at least until my last post discussing the title of the thread, I wouldn't say it is derailed.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
Actually thats not at all what I am talking about I have, had and always will have a subscription to ESO so the crafting bag topic is mute for me.
Not you, the user I quoted. Sorry for the confusion.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
@Abeille
As described by ZOS it's a feature update among many in the DB update where ZOS has decided not to allow this feature to apply and locked it behind a subscription. While the rest of your comment doesn't apply to me, on topic to the OP they are asking about the use of the word "unlimited".
As such the original description from ZOS of what unlimited means, it's described as all base game feature updates being free and absent of a subscription. As of DB, by ZOS' definition of unlimited, it changes to "limited"
Trying to keep this on topic as it's the actual response based on the TU change.
The OP asked if we are "limited to Tamriel". The subject of the thread is if we are not going anywhere else other than Tamriel, even if other people posted snark comments that didn't have much to do with the original post. This is the actual topic, as I understood it, if either we are limited to Tamriel or not.
The problem is your choice of words. You called it a "base game new feature" without specifying what it is, and that can cause people to panic and think it is actually some big base game change that won't be applied to them (which is a matter up to debate, since some people think the crafting bags fit that description while others do not). I merely explained what you were talking about and what the discussion was about it since you did not. Just trying to avoid having people freaking out here, since they are already freaking out everywhere else. It is like if I went in a thread with someone asking about the Veteran Ranks removal and said "Yep lvl 50 will be the highest level" without specifying that we will still get the VR1-VR16 attributes and skill points as normal.
@Abeille
No the post is "Does Tamriel Unlimited suggest...that we are since limited to Tamriel?"
They are asking about the title change and if it relates to Tamriel.
My answer is No, the title isn't suggesting you're limited to Tamriel, it's meaning was implied that you're no longer limited to having to subscribe to play the game and it's updates.
Also, please go read the PTS patch notes as you're suggesting I'm creating a false interpretation. Please read what ZOS wrote and where the crafting bag feature as describe is listed under the base patch update section here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2909368/#Comment_2909368
And that's what I said. They are asking if it means we are limited to Tamriel. That's the subject of this thread. See my first answer on this thread, I gave examples of why we are NOT limited to Tamriel, thus the title "Tamriel Unlimited" does not suggest that. And like other user said, the "Unlimited" means "Unlimited Playtime", because you do not lose access to the game if you stop subscribing. And the crafting bags do not really change that.
And I'm not sure why you would link the patch notes (that I read thoroughly quite a few times, since I am spending all of my game time on the last month testing stuff on the PTS). The patch notes would only matter if you were spreading false information, which is not the case, and I never said it was. But you were spreading incomplete information, which indeed creates the risk of creating false interpretations and, with that, panic. You don't have to think about the people who do not come to the forums or do not watch updates closely when you post, but do not expect people to do the same and just not complete the information.
Why are you bothered by the fact that I completed the information that you posted? Honestly, unless you WANTED to cause panic, which I don't think it is the reason, I see no reason for that.
@Abeille
You're merging it.
It reads Does Tamriel Unlimited (does the name on the box) suggest ....
A- NO it doesn't suggest that, it means....(my comment)
Unlimited is described specifically that without a sub, according all ZOS articles, you will get "Base game updates and base game features" without the need to subscribe.
So as results of the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited which stands today, as of release of DB, based on how ZOS describes the upcoming changes, based on the OP's question, it doesn't limit ESO to Tamriel but it does limit a new base game update feature to subscribing.
I linked you to the patch notes because you continue to suggest that I'm implying my own interpretation instead of literally what ZOS staff has placed on their websites and update notes.
Q-Why am I bothered?
A-I'm not bothered but your comments suggest things that I'm not suggesting. It's not panic, it's information, that perhaps the OP didn't know because they asked about the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited.
You didn't complete anything, your assuming and trying to imply thoughts of your own towards my comments which are untrue. I'm correcting those. That's it.
Understand the only reason I added the bags was because a user prior referenced the bags and ESO Plus as unlimited which I thought it made sense to provide a real answer as no one had responded accurately on the subscription piece which is a response to the OP.
You're response while it made sense to the OP interpretation, wasn't why ZOS decided to use "unlimited" in the title change.
We disagree on what "Unlimited" means. It doesn't mean all the new game features will be available without the need to subscribe - in fact, the FAQ only says "certain features" will be sold in the Crown Store, it doesn't say that all of them will. The other bonuses to ESO+, excluding DLC, are not sold in the Crown Store either. "Unlimited" does mean you do not lose access to the game when you stop subscribing, like other user said. It is a name that was coined to reflect the change in the model, since before you WOULD lose access to the game if you stopped subscribing. That's why ZOS decided to use "Unlimited" in the title.
And your original comment did omit information. It didn't even mention the "Crafting Bags" by name. You just said "base game new features" instead of just saying "Crafting Bags". As I said, I do not think it was with the purpose of causing panic, but said omission CAN cause panic, which is why I completed the information (and it is strange to me that you feel the need to defend your original post just because I added information to what you said). Maybe you just assumed everyone would instantly understand what you were talking about and no one would freak out, thus thinking that completing it was unnecessary. I prefer not to assume this kind of thing.
Read my reply to your first post again. I told people to not panic, I didn't say "you are trying to create panic". Then I explained what you were talking about, since you didn't do that yourself, and what the opposing sides of the discussion regarding the Crafting Bags were saying in a nutshell. I didn't even take sides on that post, I merely explained what you were talking about. Unless you were NOT talking about the Crafting Bags, nothing I "implied" about what you said was untrue, since that is the only thing that I implied.
My problem is not with the fact that you mentioned the bags. My problem is with the fact that you didn't. You left that little bit of information in the air.
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That user already mentioned the sub and the bags. My comment is literally adding to that but not to derail the thread as they were not asking about crafting bags but instead the name which is about the subscription changes.
Adding in the bags completely details the OP's topic which was left out so I didn't derail.
Now it's derailed because you wanted it in here, which wasn't the purpose nor was that of any concern to the OP at all.
See the skipped over that comment so it made no sense to bring it back up cause that's not their question.
It wasn't the OP who mentioned them, your post didn't quote or tagged the people who mentioned them and your post wasn't directly under the posts that mentioned the bag. The people who mentioned it didn't explain what it was, and their posts could only be linked to yours by someone who already had previous information about the crafting bags. I knew what you were talking about when you said that "base game new features" would be added for subs, but it doesn't mean everybody knew. Because their posts were skipped over, there was the need to say that the "base game new features" you were referring to was that thing that was just skipped over, so that people wouldn't freak out, which was all I wanted to avoid. And no one is freaking out, so yay.
And since we were at least until my last post discussing the title of the thread, I wouldn't say it is derailed.
@Abeille
The thing is....no one freaked out. It seems everyone understood the context so our back n forth is nothing more than a derail. You don't need to reference it cause the other thread is just around this one.
And they see my posted comments and my signature.
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✭✭Vvardenfell, where is Vvardenfell ?
I don't understand why people want to revisit areas from SP TES games as a priority - Morrowind is my #1 game ever, but I'd put Vvardenfell at the end of my "want" list for ESO. I feel as though it's the same sort of thing that makes people want to vacation in the same place every year.
I put Vvardenfell as my number 1 on a wish list for ESO because it is big,and there are tons of things,quests,etc,to do.
To make it a DLC would be amazing.
As to it being a vacation place,I would never come back if I went there. XD0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
Actually thats not at all what I am talking about I have, had and always will have a subscription to ESO so the crafting bag topic is mute for me.
Not you, the user I quoted. Sorry for the confusion.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »It's suppose to mean "unlimited" access to play without the limitations of a subscription.
That's no longer going to be the case as they're now locking base game "new features" behind a subscription so as of the DB update, it'll be ESO:Limited
Before anyone starts to panic, this forum user is talking about the "crafting bags". There is an ongoing discussion about weather they should be offered as an exclusive ESO+ perk or not. The crafting bags are a nearly unlimited storage for crafting materials, and there are some people who believe they are essential instead of mere convenience because the inventory has always been very limited, while others believe that they are not really essential since we played for two years without them and that people should learn to menage their inventories and stop hoarding if they don't want to subscribe.
@Abeille
As described by ZOS it's a feature update among many in the DB update where ZOS has decided not to allow this feature to apply and locked it behind a subscription. While the rest of your comment doesn't apply to me, on topic to the OP they are asking about the use of the word "unlimited".
As such the original description from ZOS of what unlimited means, it's described as all base game feature updates being free and absent of a subscription. As of DB, by ZOS' definition of unlimited, it changes to "limited"
Trying to keep this on topic as it's the actual response based on the TU change.
The OP asked if we are "limited to Tamriel". The subject of the thread is if we are not going anywhere else other than Tamriel, even if other people posted snark comments that didn't have much to do with the original post. This is the actual topic, as I understood it, if either we are limited to Tamriel or not.
The problem is your choice of words. You called it a "base game new feature" without specifying what it is, and that can cause people to panic and think it is actually some big base game change that won't be applied to them (which is a matter up to debate, since some people think the crafting bags fit that description while others do not). I merely explained what you were talking about and what the discussion was about it since you did not. Just trying to avoid having people freaking out here, since they are already freaking out everywhere else. It is like if I went in a thread with someone asking about the Veteran Ranks removal and said "Yep lvl 50 will be the highest level" without specifying that we will still get the VR1-VR16 attributes and skill points as normal.
@Abeille
No the post is "Does Tamriel Unlimited suggest...that we are since limited to Tamriel?"
They are asking about the title change and if it relates to Tamriel.
My answer is No, the title isn't suggesting you're limited to Tamriel, it's meaning was implied that you're no longer limited to having to subscribe to play the game and it's updates.
Also, please go read the PTS patch notes as you're suggesting I'm creating a false interpretation. Please read what ZOS wrote and where the crafting bag feature as describe is listed under the base patch update section here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2909368/#Comment_2909368
And that's what I said. They are asking if it means we are limited to Tamriel. That's the subject of this thread. See my first answer on this thread, I gave examples of why we are NOT limited to Tamriel, thus the title "Tamriel Unlimited" does not suggest that. And like other user said, the "Unlimited" means "Unlimited Playtime", because you do not lose access to the game if you stop subscribing. And the crafting bags do not really change that.
And I'm not sure why you would link the patch notes (that I read thoroughly quite a few times, since I am spending all of my game time on the last month testing stuff on the PTS). The patch notes would only matter if you were spreading false information, which is not the case, and I never said it was. But you were spreading incomplete information, which indeed creates the risk of creating false interpretations and, with that, panic. You don't have to think about the people who do not come to the forums or do not watch updates closely when you post, but do not expect people to do the same and just not complete the information.
Why are you bothered by the fact that I completed the information that you posted? Honestly, unless you WANTED to cause panic, which I don't think it is the reason, I see no reason for that.
@Abeille
You're merging it.
It reads Does Tamriel Unlimited (does the name on the box) suggest ....
A- NO it doesn't suggest that, it means....(my comment)
Unlimited is described specifically that without a sub, according all ZOS articles, you will get "Base game updates and base game features" without the need to subscribe.
So as results of the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited which stands today, as of release of DB, based on how ZOS describes the upcoming changes, based on the OP's question, it doesn't limit ESO to Tamriel but it does limit a new base game update feature to subscribing.
I linked you to the patch notes because you continue to suggest that I'm implying my own interpretation instead of literally what ZOS staff has placed on their websites and update notes.
Q-Why am I bothered?
A-I'm not bothered but your comments suggest things that I'm not suggesting. It's not panic, it's information, that perhaps the OP didn't know because they asked about the meaning of Tamriel Unlimited.
You didn't complete anything, your assuming and trying to imply thoughts of your own towards my comments which are untrue. I'm correcting those. That's it.
Understand the only reason I added the bags was because a user prior referenced the bags and ESO Plus as unlimited which I thought it made sense to provide a real answer as no one had responded accurately on the subscription piece which is a response to the OP.
You're response while it made sense to the OP interpretation, wasn't why ZOS decided to use "unlimited" in the title change.
We disagree on what "Unlimited" means. It doesn't mean all the new game features will be available without the need to subscribe - in fact, the FAQ only says "certain features" will be sold in the Crown Store, it doesn't say that all of them will. The other bonuses to ESO+, excluding DLC, are not sold in the Crown Store either. "Unlimited" does mean you do not lose access to the game when you stop subscribing, like other user said. It is a name that was coined to reflect the change in the model, since before you WOULD lose access to the game if you stopped subscribing. That's why ZOS decided to use "Unlimited" in the title.
And your original comment did omit information. It didn't even mention the "Crafting Bags" by name. You just said "base game new features" instead of just saying "Crafting Bags". As I said, I do not think it was with the purpose of causing panic, but said omission CAN cause panic, which is why I completed the information (and it is strange to me that you feel the need to defend your original post just because I added information to what you said). Maybe you just assumed everyone would instantly understand what you were talking about and no one would freak out, thus thinking that completing it was unnecessary. I prefer not to assume this kind of thing.
Read my reply to your first post again. I told people to not panic, I didn't say "you are trying to create panic". Then I explained what you were talking about, since you didn't do that yourself, and what the opposing sides of the discussion regarding the Crafting Bags were saying in a nutshell. I didn't even take sides on that post, I merely explained what you were talking about. Unless you were NOT talking about the Crafting Bags, nothing I "implied" about what you said was untrue, since that is the only thing that I implied.
My problem is not with the fact that you mentioned the bags. My problem is with the fact that you didn't. You left that little bit of information in the air.
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That user already mentioned the sub and the bags. My comment is literally adding to that but not to derail the thread as they were not asking about crafting bags but instead the name which is about the subscription changes.
Adding in the bags completely details the OP's topic which was left out so I didn't derail.
Now it's derailed because you wanted it in here, which wasn't the purpose nor was that of any concern to the OP at all.
See the skipped over that comment so it made no sense to bring it back up cause that's not their question.
It wasn't the OP who mentioned them, your post didn't quote or tagged the people who mentioned them and your post wasn't directly under the posts that mentioned the bag. The people who mentioned it didn't explain what it was, and their posts could only be linked to yours by someone who already had previous information about the crafting bags. I knew what you were talking about when you said that "base game new features" would be added for subs, but it doesn't mean everybody knew. Because their posts were skipped over, there was the need to say that the "base game new features" you were referring to was that thing that was just skipped over, so that people wouldn't freak out, which was all I wanted to avoid. And no one is freaking out, so yay.
And since we were at least until my last post discussing the title of the thread, I wouldn't say it is derailed.
@Abeille
The thing is....no one freaked out. It seems everyone understood the context so our back n forth is nothing more than a derail. You don't need to reference it cause the other thread is just around this one.
And they see my posted comments and my signature.
It was a preventive measure, before anyone freaked out. If I had completed the information pages after your comment, then ok, you could said it wasn't necessary because no one freaked out. But I explained what you were talking about right after your post, effectively giving no time for people to freak out about your comment. Did it work? We can't possibly know. All we know is that no one freaked out, so either everyone who entered this thread knew what the Crafting Bags were or they were content with my explanation. I prefer not to assume everybody knows, especially since today we had the addition of the Dro-m'athra Senche, so there are quite a few forum newbies floating around who came here to talk about it.
Nothing in your signature indicates that you were talking about the crafting bags, and the threads complaining about it do not have titles that could lead to this connection either. Asking to go read the person's post history might be a bit too much to ask from a forum newbie.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
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