Please be done with Warcraft mounts!

Tommy1979AtWar

Abeille wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

starsands wrote: »

Is this game canon? I play it and enjoy it, but i cant consider it to be canon in tes lore. Really hope eso isn't canon, so we can enjoy all this non sense stuff.

I believe Bethesda said it is canon.

I do hope TES VI mentions the events of ESO.

Ummmm?

I know Skyrim and those released before are canon but not sure about ESO.

Well, there is this tweet:

https://twitter.com/TESOnline/status/372017971423498240

Yeah I saw that when it was first tweeted, did you follow the replies to it?

Yes, what's of them? Seem like people who do not like the idea, and that's all. ESO has in-game explanations for everything they put forward: Cyrodiil not being a jungle, books "from the future", Dunmer and Argonians being allied... About the name of the emperor, I find it funny, because you could have the last Dragonborn or the Nerevarine by the same name if you wanted to :P

I'm not disagreeing with you, it just reminded me of the arguments the statement caused lol

Abeille

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Tommy1979AtWar wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

starsands wrote: »

Is this game canon? I play it and enjoy it, but i cant consider it to be canon in tes lore. Really hope eso isn't canon, so we can enjoy all this non sense stuff.

I believe Bethesda said it is canon.

I do hope TES VI mentions the events of ESO.

Ummmm?

I know Skyrim and those released before are canon but not sure about ESO.

Well, there is this tweet:

https://twitter.com/TESOnline/status/372017971423498240

Yeah I saw that when it was first tweeted, did you follow the replies to it?

Yes, what's of them? Seem like people who do not like the idea, and that's all. ESO has in-game explanations for everything they put forward: Cyrodiil not being a jungle, books "from the future", Dunmer and Argonians being allied... About the name of the emperor, I find it funny, because you could have the last Dragonborn or the Nerevarine by the same name if you wanted to :P

I'm not disagreeing with you, it just reminded me of the arguments the statement caused lol

Ahh yes, it always does. There are a couple of things that will cause turmoil if said in any TES community: C0da is canon and ESO is canon (or c0da is not canon and ESO is not canon, it will have the same effect).

Ghost-Shot

I like this mount, believe it or not there are more than just lore nuts that play this game. I want more badass looking mounts.

blueraven515

ESO is constantly expanding on the lore of the Elder Scrolls world. There are many thing Bethesda has yet had the chance to fully go into, Zenimax has been given a unique opportunity to create lore in these sectors. The inclusion of the Dro'mathra and anything related to them doesn't make the game like Warcraft in any way.

Duiwel

Pretty sure they are writing lore so they can "add" whatever they want OP...

Anything that this game adds inherently becomes lore henceforth...

Why keep them in a box and prevent them from adding cool things to TES? I mean we have storm atro's and flame atro's why can't they make unique interesting animals?

LadyNalcarya

The_Patriarch wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Hum...

There is only 1 of Arvak and he is undead, that is why he looks like that but these mounts are not undead and their are plenty of them running around with no explanation as to why.

Technically, there is only 1 vestige but there are a ton of those running around the last time I logged in.

Well, actually a lot of souls escaped Coldharbour, and the main quest is instanced anyway.
And yeah, Dragon Break is a perfect and 100% lore-friendly explanation of all these things.

Kelces

Due to the fact, that this story plays out before the "Morrowind-era", there is quite some room for new creatures (which could later become extinct). Imagine, you are trying to put some creative thought into your game (besides DLC's), but are not allowed to, because it might anger some.
Sure, this might seem like a lame excuse, but in the end it is still the player who chooses to use any item. Be that mounts, sets, skills, etc. No buyers, no incentive to create.

Nobody but all of us define what the game actually ends up looking like. So don't blame ZOS, be honest to yourselves...

Recremen

Stop erasing existing lore while complaining about things that are excellent. Dro-m'Athra have been in the canon for as long as anything. It's not a "Rune Cat" stop trying to make fetch happen. The fiery horse is no more of a stretch than Shadowmere or Arvak. Ditto for the ice horse.

While I agree that more customization for the existing mounts would be fantastic, the art team actually has a huge amount of room to play with unique mount types that aren't in store yet. While the flying mounts may be out of the question, there are a lot of unique creature types to explore as mounts, from Echaterre to Wamasu, plus plenty of Daedric-inspired counterparts or, if we're lucky, Original Lore/new creature types. I mean, I for one am unconvinced that a continent as diverse as Tamriel has had its entire beastiary fleshed out.

Shunravi

Abeille wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Tapio75 wrote: »

Where is the lore of this dead cat? Is it some oddity that was out there in the book? If it was unique in lore, why would there suddenly be thousands?

Besides, why is immersion something that some people often make subject of ridiculousnes? Why is immersion and lore so under rated these days that games can add everything because its cool, especially if it gives money to company. Why cant games keep true to lore these days. As i said, its not a one mount that makes a game good but the game world itself which can go bad very fast if there is added something that does not belong.

Because many of those people who complain about immersion dont seem to know much about TES lore (and yes, ESO is canon lore-wise).

So much of this ^^^^

I don't know what is more annoying. People who don't know anything about the lore at all and thus suggests ridiculous things like dragon mounts and playable dwemer, or people who know just a bit about the lore but think they know enough to make "lore-breaking" claims based on immersion.

Indeed

khele23eb17_ESO

Saturn wrote: »

It's based in the lore and fits with the Dro-m'Athra theme in Maw of Lorkhaj.

As I said in a simillar thread on reddit - you can write anything into the lore. A new line of swimsuit costumes? Say the word to the writers and its in the lore. Huge paudrons with fireballs floating around them? In the lore. Huge fork, spoon, carrot weapons? In the lore. Electric tigers leaving a trail of moonlight farts when running. In the lore. I mean nothing screams ES lore like a market square filled with glowing/flaming/transparent mounts.

The mount aesthetics make it something youd expect to see in WoW rather than ESO. Im not knocking WoW here, I like the game. Best raids in the MMO business. Good reward system too. None of that stacked rng crap. What Im saying is that this mount would visually match what you can see in Azeroth. It looks out of place in Tamriel. Particularly with the excessive amount of particle effects that appear when its running.

The wolf mount on the other hand, I really like that one.

Lava_Croft

Wollust wrote: »

Does that ruin your immersion?

In all honesty, one of ESO's major boons was that it used to steer clear of these kinds of silly things and be relatively grounded.

Tapio75

So the question in my mind is, that how can this apparently agressive creature, corrupted spirit, be tamed by so many of us?

They are mobs that outright attack us, right? So they should not be that easy to get, too many off them out there.

Then again, if it be dead thrall effect magicka senche, it would make more sense to have it on many players, but then again only with those who ar with enough knownledge of magicka to summon it. Then there is the thing that if it be necromancy cat, how would members of fighters guild and all others that frown upon necromancy react to it?


Maybe these things would need additional requirements like sorcerer with capped daedric summoning, no that would be too hard but level 10 mages guild perphaps?


I think the main thing that bugs me with these kind of things is that people dont have any regard to character who rides it, should a dum warrior be able to raise a dead senche like this? Or would he be able to tame it or would he just bluntly kill it?

Once these kind of mounts were subject of hard work, like in Warcraft mounts were even racial though the reputation thing could open them to other. Account wide mounts and too easy reputation gain killed that stuff.

In my mind the most important thing is that rider and mount combination makes more sense than just "Its cool".

This one is not immersion breaking, for me more immersion breaking on mount side are mounts that cant swim but can easily ride stairs and stuff, can ride straight in to houses. If i be in command of area design, i would make larger cities zones where mounts and summoned daedra are not possible but even i know thats too hars in MMORPG.

To the lore and roleplay part as someone talked about it, you can pretty much invent your own story and character, happenings and so forth freely as long everything that happens is possible in the setting.

Abeille

@Tapio75

I understand how you feel. Who rides what is something that, unfortunately, we have no control over. However, I think it is good that this kind of mount is available for people that would make sense to have it. For example, someone roleplaying a Dro-m'athra, playing a Khajiit and wearing the Dro-m'athra skin, would make sense to own this mount in particular in my opinion.

Also, they should add swimming animations to the mounts so we don't dismount on every puddle.

Mojmir

as soon as i see a WoW mount,yes we can be done with them.

Tapio75

@Abeille

I agree with you.


to continue my last post, i would also add the word "Warcraft" in the post refers to thing that these flashy things fit Azeroth but after playing all previous TES games, im used to horses and stuff that looks rather normal, magick in TES for me has been in the spells, mounts and stuff has been just normal things one would expect to see in the normal world, Senche would have been great as racial for Khajit, Guar for Dunmer and Argonians and so forth.

And what particularly strikes me with this one is, that it represents so much the one mount in the WOW mount store, no matter if it exists in Tamriel but seeing tons of people riding these things and the flame horse makes me see label "Wwarcraft" in them rather than "TES".

As i said before, these should be rare as implied, something you get by working hard, in rarity, similar to Warcraft Zulian Tiger for example.

Money can be made many better ways if you use imagination.

For example the long demanded character recustomisation, faction change would be one such service. I rather also see instant level cap potions in the store than large grinding groups ruining quest area immersion. LOTRO style cosmetic outfit system would open MUCH more chances for sales on store than current costume system, instead of full costumes, they could sell shirts, pants, dresses, arm caps, invisible shirts for male, invisible gaunbtlents, invisible shoulderpads and so forth. I think these things would create much more money in the long term than 5 day sale of "rare" mounts, even while expensive. If these small things are cheap, people actually spend more crowns when they dont realize how much they use in total

The_Lex

dimensional wrote: »

The_Patriarch wrote: »

Technically, there is only 1 vestige but there are a ton of those running around the last time I logged in.

Technically there isn't. You don't see any mention of other "vestiges" in the game. All of the main quest is solo instanced.

My point is that, while the main quest is instanced, I (as a player) know that every other player I see was also, at one time, called the Vestige. Although it doesn't bother me, one could argue that this is more immersion breaking than the so-called WOW mounts. TES is always about the one hero.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And yeah, Dragon Break is a perfect and 100% lore-friendly explanation of all these things.

Agreed. Dragon Breaks are certainly lore friendly - and convenient, too.

Lava_Croft

You imply that ZOS is a company full of creative people, while looking at the Crown Store shows that this is not the case.
Gotta give them props for charging $25 for a Guar skin that literally must have taken less than 3 minutes of HSB slider action in Photoshop though.

Autolycus

Don't try so hard to rationalize a fantasy game with real-world intuition and logic. In Tamriel, thousands of creatures can find their way into Nirn in a matter of minutes. We all know this, we've seen it happen in ES games before, and we've gone up against things that are equally as "unfathomable" as a Dro'mathra senche without question.

Implementing a Dro'mathra mount alongside of content that pertains directly to the Dro'mathra is about as lore-friendly as it gets, imho. My only complaint is that they aren't implementing more desirable lore-friendly mounts, like Echetare and Wamasu (at least not yet).

In a world where literally the entire fate of man and mer is jeopardized by an invincible godlike being (let alone 8 of them), and the sole method of preventing such a catastrophic disaster is to travel magickally by portal to a completely different realm filled with daedra, I don't find it stretch to consider a senche being plagued by the Dark Mane. If a Khajiit is susceptible, by what logic do we claim senches are immune?

Abeille

The_Patriarch wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

And yeah, Dragon Break is a perfect and 100% lore-friendly explanation of all these things.

Agreed. Dragon Breaks are certainly lore friendly - and convenient, too.

A little too convenient in my opinion. That's no fun at all. Thus, I prefer not to believe on that theory in favor or more unnecessarily complicated ones :P

phairdon

Lore can be added to. Now these mounts are in game, they are part of lore.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

i think most of us understand that lore can, indeed, be added to.

what some of you dont understand, are overlooking, are are choosing to ignore, is that so so many of us that have been with the series for a long time are very very used to a lower tone on things. Yes there have been alot of outlandish things, but most of what we had access to in the past were still justifiable.

i can justify most of what is presented by ZOS with what i know of how the game's magic works, even if how they present it i choose to ignore in favor of my own 'headcannon'

the ice horse? well, lets just say its a unique frost atronach, summonable by scroll or spell made avaible by the mages guild
the fire horse, same as above, but fire atronach

the new dro'mathra, i choose to believe its a dead thrall senche, by scroll or spell, form less reputable sorces.
If you play a dro'mathra in RP however, im cool with that too, just let me know beforehand so i dont screw any potential rp up.

Guar....i mean come on, you could ride a ox if you trained it, and its a pack animal, not to outlandish for pack animals to serve as mounts

my point is this, i am fine with it, pricetag notwithstanding, but i would much much much rather ZOS not go the 'unique' mount route in making money, instead delivering us content worth the price tag

Gidorick

Valrien wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Hum...

There is only 1 of Arvak and he is undead, that is why he looks like that but these mounts are not undead and their are plenty of them running around with no explanation as to why.

Right.It wouldnt make any sense to have a ton of Arvaks being ridden all over Tamriel.

zombie horse
halloween limited time mount

Edit: btw, i agree with the point of the post, just playing devil's advocate, in a way

An undead mount is easily explained by Necromancy. The problem is that Necromancy is generally frowned upon (or even illegal depending on where you are). But it is not really lore-breaking.

oh i agree, and im having to bite my tounge to keep from advocating adding a necro skill line

but i digress, arvak or simular mounts can be explained away, but the dro'mathra is difficult, honestly if they just renamed it 'dead thrall senche' i think they could pass it off better. cause if you played skyrim, you know that the dead thrall spell spreads blue-ish necro shine all across the character you raised, and if you did that to a panther senche, it might look like this

@bloodenragedb14_ESO The cat is an evil spirits that's possessed a senche (which can happen). It's established in the lore already, you don't need to invent your own canon behind it to accept it.

Can only Khajiit be Dro-M'Athra @Valrien ?

Valrien

Gidorick wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Hum...

There is only 1 of Arvak and he is undead, that is why he looks like that but these mounts are not undead and their are plenty of them running around with no explanation as to why.

Right.It wouldnt make any sense to have a ton of Arvaks being ridden all over Tamriel.

zombie horse
halloween limited time mount

Edit: btw, i agree with the point of the post, just playing devil's advocate, in a way

An undead mount is easily explained by Necromancy. The problem is that Necromancy is generally frowned upon (or even illegal depending on where you are). But it is not really lore-breaking.

oh i agree, and im having to bite my tounge to keep from advocating adding a necro skill line

but i digress, arvak or simular mounts can be explained away, but the dro'mathra is difficult, honestly if they just renamed it 'dead thrall senche' i think they could pass it off better. cause if you played skyrim, you know that the dead thrall spell spreads blue-ish necro shine all across the character you raised, and if you did that to a panther senche, it might look like this

@bloodenragedb14_ESO The cat is an evil spirits that's possessed a senche (which can happen). It's established in the lore already, you don't need to invent your own canon behind it to accept it.

Can only Khajiit be Dro-M'Athra @Valrien ?

Not too sure on that. I know from the Stonefalls quest that they can kill and then copy people of any race, though I'm not sure that counts. I've only actually seen Khajiit be "possessed" by them in Maw of Lorkhaj and obviously the mount.

EDIT: Looking at the description of the mount I was wrong. It says senche-shaped so it seems that it's actually a dro-m'Athra spirit that's taking the form of a senche. Since all of this lore is relatively new to the Elder Scrolls world it's taking me a bit to wrap my head around it lol. I'm going to assume that they can take the form of all races like they did in Stonefalls.

greylox

As long as there is never flying mounts

khele23eb17_ESO

greylox wrote: »

As long as there is never flying mounts

The game isnt designed to support flying mounts. Otherwise Im sure theyd find a way to write them into the lore for some extra income.

Oakmontowls_ESO

I feel like all mounts from the crown store are actually summoning spells/items that summon the creature and binds it to the will of the summoner. So it makes perfect sense for anyone to be able to control these mounts because the "crown mages" were able to bind the mount to the object that your character uses to summon it.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

I feel like all mounts from the crown store are actually summoning spells/items that summon the creature and binds it to the will of the summoner. So it makes perfect sense for anyone to be able to control these mounts because the "crown mages" were able to bind the mount to the object that your character uses to summon it.

For those that are not very magickally inclined, there are scrolls in the game lore that have spells inscribed on them, even a idiot can use them, so there is that

The_Lex

bloodenragedb14_ESO wrote: »

i think most of us understand that lore can, indeed, be added to.

what some of you dont understand, are overlooking, are are choosing to ignore, is that so so many of us that have been with the series for a long time are very very used to a lower tone on things. Yes there have been alot of outlandish things, but most of what we had access to in the past were still justifiable.

I've played every game since Arena. And, yes, there have been things that are far more outlandish than the senche mounts.

NativeJoe

Whatever, let me ride my golem from daggerfall, and we'll call it even. You then can have all your brown horses, dull grey horses, and bears.

Pheefs

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

but these mounts are not undead and their are plenty of them running around with no explanation as to why.

its a Glamour sweetie! its maaaaaaagic!
and most likely only an illusion or some of us would have some burnt or frozen thighs.

either they paid a mage to make the mount look like that, or they ARE the mage who can make it look like that.
if it helps you, you can look at it like costumes on house-cats, trendy & odd & a personal declaration of status... or like what stickers you put on your car.... but the Tamriel version


its like that tub of glow gel we steal sometimes a hair gel made from torchbugs, fashionable accessories for the magical set!