Please be done with Warcraft mounts!

Tapio75

Thank you for making TES world feel more like Azeroth again. Sparkling ponies and rune cats fit nicely to that orther game but in here, they are ridiculous.

Can we be done with these money grabbers or make them cost double of what they have been for now.

I know there is only the flaming pony and this rune cat cat but thats allreadsy too much, TES should stay true to TES lore, not invent lore on the go, especially when its in the tween of established lore we have many books about in many TES games.

In my opinion, these rae not fit for TES woreld, i know that many of you feel otherwise "It's an MMO and people need to have cool stuff". Sadly this is the thinking process of today, why game needs some mounts that do not belong to the world to be a good game? Rather make some more effort to make good cosmetic system which is not based on costumes, invent more clothing, ways to customise normal mounts with armor, bags and stuff.

Keep the game true to setting where its supposed to be.

Tommy1979AtWar

Noooo not until I pay 10k for a flying unicorn that farts rainbows!!

Wollust

Does that ruin your immersion?

Volkodav

I find them rather entertaining to see go by.A big knight looking guy riding a glowy cat.The horse isnt that bad,but the other is funny.
I saw it in the PTS. XD

Asmael

Hum...

Uriel_Nocturne

Tapio75 wrote: »

Thank you for making TES world feel more like Azeroth again. Sparkling ponies and rune cats fit nicely to that orther game but in here, they are ridiculous.

Can we be done with these money grabbers or make them cost double of what they have been for now.

I know there is only the flaming pony and this rune cat cat but thats allreadsy too much, TES should stay true to TES lore, not invent lore on the go, especially when its in the tween of established lore we have many books about in many TES games.

In my opinion, these rae not fit for TES woreld, i know that many of you feel otherwise "It's an MMO and people need to have cool stuff". Sadly this is the thinking process of today, why game needs some mounts that do not belong to the world to be a good game? Rather make some more effort to make good cosmetic system which is not based on costumes, invent more clothing, ways to customise normal mounts with armor, bags and stuff.

Keep the game true to setting where its supposed to be.

It's not even an issue of "it's an MMO, people need cool stuff".

Tamriel and the associated universe is steeped in Magicka. It's in near every part/item/thing in the world.

Magickal beasts, creatures, and Mounts are easily justifiable.

Whether you agree/disagree that a Dro'mathra should be a Mount, Dro'mathra exist in the Lore, and in the game prior to the Mount being released. Just play through the Rawl'kha section of the Aldmeri Dominion, you'll come across plenty of Dro'mathra.

Woeler

Don't use your fake knowledge of lore to justify your silly complaints. Dro-m'Athra do exist and have always existed in the lore of the Elder Scrolls.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Asmael wrote: »

Hum...

There is only 1 of Arvak and he is undead, that is why he looks like that but these mounts are not undead and their are plenty of them running around with no explanation as to why.

Volkodav

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Hum...

There is only 1 of Arvak and he is undead, that is why he looks like that but these mounts are not undead and their are plenty of them running around with no explanation as to why.

Right.It wouldnt make any sense to have a ton of Arvaks being ridden all over Tamriel.

Saturn

It's based in the lore and fits with the Dro-m'Athra theme in Maw of Lorkhaj.

Also, the lore has unicorns too It's not warcraft imitation, TES lore is it's own thing and honestly I really like it. The Dro-m'Athra senche is by far my favourite mount in the game.

Number_51

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

Hum...

There is only 1 of Arvak and he is undead, that is why he looks like that but these mounts are not undead and their are plenty of them running around with no explanation as to why.

'Cuz someone with too much ego and too much money (in game character, not the actual player) rode by the mage's guild and paid for a fire/ice enchantment on their horse so they can look bad***? At least that's how I choose see it.

Tapio75

Where is the lore of this dead cat? Is it some oddity that was out there in the book? If it was unique in lore, why would there suddenly be thousands?

Besides, why is immersion something that some people often make subject of ridiculousnes? Why is immersion and lore so under rated these days that games can add everything because its cool, especially if it gives money to company. Why cant games keep true to lore these days. As i said, its not a one mount that makes a game good but the game world itself which can go bad very fast if there is added something that does not belong.

RinOkumara

It is part of lore, there are no dragons.

Uriel_Nocturne

Tapio75 wrote: »

Where is the lore of this dead cat? Is it some oddity that was out there in the book? If it was unique in lore, why would there suddenly be thousands?

The Dro'mathra are all over the Lore of the Khajiit and of Elsweyr as a whole.

The Dro'mathra are dark spirits corrupted by the Dark Mane, and their numbers are uncountable. They are Senche, Khajiit, anyone/any creature to be frank.

This mount does not break the Lore in any way, especially not in a world steeped in Magicka like Nirn is.

RinOkumara

Tapio75 wrote: »

Where is the lore of this dead cat? Is it some oddity that was out there in the book? If it was unique in lore, why would there suddenly be thousands?

Besides, why is immersion something that some people often make subject of ridiculousnes? Why is immersion and lore so under rated these days that games can add everything because its cool, especially if it gives money to company. Why cant games keep true to lore these days. As i said, its not a one mount that makes a game good but the game world itself which can go bad very fast if there is added something that does not belong.

Everything added so far does belong, and it's an mmo, play skyrim if you want only lore.

idk

Not sure which upsets OP more, the cost of the fancy mounts or that he doesn't approve of their design.

Regardless, insignificant. Mere minor inconvenience if one does not approve.

Gidorick

Asmael wrote: »

Hum...

That is one very specific horse... not a race of mounts.... wait... Have you ever had that feeling of deja vu ?

Korah_Eaglecry

I try my best to ignore the more flashy Mounts. People can defend these mounts, some of them arent beyond belief or lore. But that Frozen Mount...I dare any of these so called lore buffs to point it out to me on UESP or the Imperial Library.

Gidorick

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

Where is the lore of this dead cat? Is it some oddity that was out there in the book? If it was unique in lore, why would there suddenly be thousands?

The Dro'mathra are all over the Lore of the Khajiit and of Elsweyr as a whole.

The Dro'mathra are dark spirits corrupted by the Dark Mane, and their numbers are uncountable. They are Senche, Khajiit, anyone/any creature to be frank.

This mount does not break the Lore in any way, especially not in a world steeped in Magicka like Nirn is.

ALL over the lore @Uriel_Nocturne ? What lore has the Dro-M'Athra been in outside of ESO? I think there was a mention of the Dro-M'Athra at some point prior to ESO... but I couldn't find the text.

That being said... I fully support the addition/expansion of the Dro-M'Athra within ESO. I don't think the mount is lore breaking at all. In fact I 100% support the mount... even though it might be contradictory to ESO's own lore about Khajiit.

The fact that this mount has lore behind it and we can say "hey... this is where this came from." is awesome. Also the fact that this mount manifests and doesn't just "pop" into the world is also wonderful. I'm my opinion, everything about this mount is right. Well, except the price... but that's for a different thread.

Tapio75

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

Where is the lore of this dead cat? Is it some oddity that was out there in the book? If it was unique in lore, why would there suddenly be thousands?

The Dro'mathra are all over the Lore of the Khajiit and of Elsweyr as a whole.

The Dro'mathra are dark spirits corrupted by the Dark Mane, and their numbers are uncountable. They are Senche, Khajiit, anyone/any creature to be frank.

This mount does not break the Lore in any way, especially not in a world steeped in Magicka like Nirn is.

Thank you for civillised answer So this thing do belong to Tamriel, even inside the former TES lore before ESO?

Think i need to read about this thing later in the evening, thanks

Though there is the thing of who could ride one such mount? Should it be connected to sorcery? Guess its kinda the same ever going debate of who can ride Senche tigers and senche in general, is it just Khajit of anybvody? Im kind of school than grins every time when some other race thank Khajit rides senche but there are other schools too.
So if the Senche is also magical and corrupted, what would it do to its will to take riders on its back? Interesting to think about.

Volkodav

RinOkumara wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

Where is the lore of this dead cat? Is it some oddity that was out there in the book? If it was unique in lore, why would there suddenly be thousands?

Besides, why is immersion something that some people often make subject of ridiculousnes? Why is immersion and lore so under rated these days that games can add everything because its cool, especially if it gives money to company. Why cant games keep true to lore these days. As i said, its not a one mount that makes a game good but the game world itself which can go bad very fast if there is added something that does not belong.

Everything added so far does belong, and it's an mmo, play skyrim if you want only lore.

Since Skyrim isnt an MMO the "play Skyrim" bit doesnt work.If they wanted to play a single player game they would. However,they dont.

Number_51

As I recall, the Khajiit don't like to talk about the Dro-M'Athra. The only thing I could remember/find was a passing reference in the Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st Edition: The Elsweyr Confederacy.

ETA: Seems like they were tied to the Khajiit pantheon through Namiira too, but I couldn't find the reference.

Tapio75

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Not sure which upsets OP more, the cost of the fancy mounts or that he doesn't approve of their design.

Regardless, insignificant. Mere minor inconvenience if one does not approve.

I dont really aprove flashy things as mounts for everyone, there has to be somewhat limited number of any specific oddity in the world and respawn in game does not count on that number. If one are has. say 100 of these, then 1000 players have the same look as a mount, where did all the extra came from?

These should not be easily obtainable, hence it should be very difficult to obtain inside the game by doing inga,me stuff, something compared to Swift Zulian tiger in Warcraft, something people can truly be proud to own or cost even more crown to make numbers rational compared to creatures numbers in the wworld but that, again is also double edged sword, it would be mount for rich, not all can have it by working hard.

Acrolas

ESO+ community logic:

You're a cheap *** if you don't subscribe, but you can only use your crowns on things the Small Council approves of.

The Small Council is permanently not in session.
Casuals suck.
ZOS sucks.
Give money to ZOS.
Too much crowns ZOS.
WHY YOU NO LOVE US ZOS??!
I Bag
Casuals suck.
TOO MUCH CROWNS.
SHAME SHAME *ding ding-ding ding*

Asmael

That wouldn't actually be too lorebreaking to ride such a mount with the Dro'mathra skin on a khajiit tho.

You only need to complete vMoL for that...

dodgehopper_ESO

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I try my best to ignore the more flashy Mounts. People can defend these mounts, some of them arent beyond belief or lore. But that Frozen Mount...I dare any of these so called lore buffs to point it out to me on UESP or the Imperial Library.

I actually like the Ice Horse on a very wizardy focused character. It makes sense, even if it is out of the norm. In some ways I feel it is more appropriate because unlike Skyrim, you can lose your horse. In this game she appears out of your pocket. That sounds like you're summoning an ice atronach horse, and that's not so strange in elder scrolls for a bigshot in the guild.

Abeille

They are supported by the lore, though :V

Dro-m'athra are a thing. They are in the base game both in their suthay form and in their senche form already. And there are lots of them, so yes, the mount is fine. Much better if used by a Khajiit with the Dro-m'athra skin, of course, but that's something we can't really control, can we now? If I wanted my Khajiit to be a Dro-m'athra, I would certainly use the skin and the mount, and that would be absolutely appropriated.

For the flaming horse, it is explained like this: "The origin of this horrific mount is obscure, but some see the hand of Mehrunes Dagon in it."

Even the Frost Mare has an explanation:
"With its icy gaze and steaming breath, the frigid Frost Mare seems carved from the very glaciers of Skyrim. Its exact origin is unknown, but the Mages Guild believes it may originally have come from Takubar, the plane of origin of Cold Flame Atronachs."

I am perfectly fine with the addition of mounts that seem out of ordinary if they come with a lore explanation for them. And until now, ESO did not disappoint on that.

I know some people see TES as this gritty, mundane little piece of fantasy, but the truth is that it is much more "sparkly" than you might think. I wonder, would you oppose to an Unicorn mount too? It does exist within the lore too, you know.

Korah_Eaglecry

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I try my best to ignore the more flashy Mounts. People can defend these mounts, some of them arent beyond belief or lore. But that Frozen Mount...I dare any of these so called lore buffs to point it out to me on UESP or the Imperial Library.

I actually like the Ice Horse on a very wizardy focused character. It makes sense, even if it is out of the norm. In some ways I feel it is more appropriate because unlike Skyrim, you can lose your horse. In this game she appears out of your pocket. That sounds like you're summoning an ice atronach horse, and that's not so strange in elder scrolls for a bigshot in the guild.

Im not saying people shouldnt have it. Like I said I mainly ignore what others are riding around in or wearing. What Im pointing out is that not everything in that store has a lore component to it. The Ice Mount has NO lore at all. And ZOS didnt even attempt to add any sort of lore behind it whatso ever. They just wanted to capitalize on releasing the opposite of the nightmare courser.

The flashiest mount I own is the Clouded Senche Leopard. To each their own though.

Abeille

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I try my best to ignore the more flashy Mounts. People can defend these mounts, some of them arent beyond belief or lore. But that Frozen Mount...I dare any of these so called lore buffs to point it out to me on UESP or the Imperial Library.

I actually like the Ice Horse on a very wizardy focused character. It makes sense, even if it is out of the norm. In some ways I feel it is more appropriate because unlike Skyrim, you can lose your horse. In this game she appears out of your pocket. That sounds like you're summoning an ice atronach horse, and that's not so strange in elder scrolls for a bigshot in the guild.

Im not saying people shouldnt have it. Like I said I mainly ignore what others are riding around in or wearing. What Im pointing out is that not everything in that store has a lore component to it. The Ice Mount has NO lore at all. And ZOS didnt even attempt to add any sort of lore behind it whatso ever. They just wanted to capitalize on releasing the opposite of the nightmare courser.

The flashiest mount I own is the Clouded Senche Leopard. To each their own though.

I used to think so too, since the lore bit wasn't added in the description in game. It is on the related forum post, though. It's something, I guess.

Tommy1979AtWar

I've never understood the whole "lore" argument thing, It's an mmoRpg, the R stands for roleplay, whether it's in the "lore" or not doesn't really make a difference as anyone can invent their own roleplay and that story can contain whatever your imagination can come up with.

As silly as it sounds, if I wanted to make up a roleplay scenario about a skooma addicted mage creating a blood thirsty giraffe with horns on each buttcheek which hunted werewolves who wore summer dresses and big floppy hats every thursday afternoon from 2:45 until 3:00 I could.
Just because it's not part of the "lore" doesn't mean it can't be part of the history of Tamriel, it may have just been a story which the people of Tamriel all agreed never to speak of ever again lol

Roleplay is whatever you make of it, yes it's frowned upon to stray too far from the traditional knowledge but the "lore" is simply a guide, not a rule book.
At least that's how I see it anyway, I'm sure others will disagree.

(I still want a flying unicorn that farts rainbows)

Uriel_Nocturne

Gidorick wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

Where is the lore of this dead cat? Is it some oddity that was out there in the book? If it was unique in lore, why would there suddenly be thousands?

The Dro'mathra are all over the Lore of the Khajiit and of Elsweyr as a whole.

The Dro'mathra are dark spirits corrupted by the Dark Mane, and their numbers are uncountable. They are Senche, Khajiit, anyone/any creature to be frank.

This mount does not break the Lore in any way, especially not in a world steeped in Magicka like Nirn is.

ALL over the lore @Uriel_Nocturne ? What lore has the Dro-M'Athra been in outside of ESO? I think there was a mention of the Dro-M'Athra at some point prior to ESO... but I couldn't find the text.

That being said... I fully support the addition/expansion of the Dro-M'Athra within ESO. I don't think the mount is lore breaking at all. In fact I 100% support the mount... even though it might be contradictory to ESO's own lore about Khajiit.

The fact that this mount has lore behind it and we can say "hey... this is where this came from." is awesome. Also the fact that this mount manifests and doesn't just "pop" into the world is also wonderful. I'm my opinion, everything about this mount is right. Well, except the price... but that's for a different thread.

No, the Dro'mathra weren't mentioned (to my knowledge) before ESO. But since Bethesda has said that what happens in ESO is Lore (as Bethesda had not written a great deal of Lore for the 2nd Era), then the ESO Lore in Reaper's March on the Dro'mathra will most likely stand in future Elder Scrolls games.

And aside from reading about them, you actually fight quite a few of them (of all kinds of types) during various Quests in Reaper's March.

And I agree, I support the expansion in the Dro'mathra as well. I wouldn't have charged 4000 Crowns for it, but I can see where the additional work was put into it.