Chest loot supersition?

Cryptical

Okay, I see that the whole "Don't hit the pinions until the end" thing is superstition. Apparently it was said on eso live a while back, don't know when though I would like to know. Because I would really like to be able to provide the exact date of the episode so the people that are STILL spreading this superstition around can hear it for themselves.

But then there's this chest loot thing. I've been told that it matters what order people in a group open the loot chest.

As in, you have a group Dave / Brenda / Wally / Michelle. On the screen, the names are in order Dave / Brenda / Wally / Michelle. Supposedly there is more/better loot in the chest if everybody waits while Dave goes first, then Brenda, then Wally, then Michelle.

Supposedly it is 'bad' in some way if everyone comes over in a clump and loots the chest at the same time or out of name order. I guess, as if Brenda opening the loot chest first will allow her to empty it before the fourth person makes it to the chest.

Please confirm this is nothing more than daffy nonsense.

SteveCampsOut

I can't believe this is even a question!

SirAndy

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

I can't believe this is even a question!

GivvumBoane

Uh I thought chests were character specific. Meaning your loot is your loot no matter who opens it first. I could be mistaken though. Wouldn't be the first time

Ackwalan

You have to do the /dance emot for your race in order to get the best loot. Works every time.

Pyr0xyrecuprotite

The only thing that matters is if you have unlocked the Treasure Hunter (CP) passive or not.

Smileybones

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Uh I thought chests were character specific. Meaning your loot is your loot no matter who opens it first. I could be mistaken though. Wouldn't be the first time

Yes, thanks Y'ffre, loot is instanced in this game, which avoids many problems that shared loot has (loot stealing for example).

I've played several MMO involving RNG and I noticed that people are quite superstitious with that RNG, for example, do this and that, it will increase your chance of success.

GivvumBoane

Smileybones wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Uh I thought chests were character specific. Meaning your loot is your loot no matter who opens it first. I could be mistaken though. Wouldn't be the first time

Yes, thanks Y'ffre, loot is instanced in this game, which avoids many problems that shared loot has (loot stealing for example).

I've played several MMO involving RNG and I noticed that people are quite superstitious with that RNG, for example, do this and that, it will increase your chance of success.

OP requested confirmation that "this is nonsense". RNG proves superstition is "nonsense". Random is, after all, random

elantaura

I agree it's character specific I.e you play a magic healer you get briarheart, a magic NB pariah but more often than not you will get the pauldron of disappointment or breeches of deconstruction.It matters not who opens it first

Cryptical

SirAndy wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

I can't believe this is even a question!

Yeah, I don't like having to ask it, because I recognize the claim as daffy nonsense. But when I call it out as nonsense it would make it a LOT more socially acceptable to be able to point to an eso live segment or Zos forum post that says that. It would make it less of a my-word-against-his-word thing and more of a go-argue-with-the-guy-that-writes-the-game thing.

It's not like there's an official info repository, the websites are all unofficial collections of info. I'd look up the episode that says the dolmen pinion thing is nonsense, but I find those episodes not at all organized and don't have the time to listen to dozens of episodes to try and track down one specific debunking.

Volkodav

Cryptical wrote: »

Okay, I see that the whole "Don't hit the pinions until the end" thing is superstition. Apparently it was said on eso live a while back, don't know when though I would like to know. Because I would really like to be able to provide the exact date of the episode so the people that are STILL spreading this superstition around can hear it for themselves.

But then there's this chest loot thing. I've been told that it matters what order people in a group open the loot chest.

As in, you have a group Dave / Brenda / Wally / Michelle. On the screen, the names are in order Dave / Brenda / Wally / Michelle. Supposedly there is more/better loot in the chest if everybody waits while Dave goes first, then Brenda, then Wally, then Michelle.

Supposedly it is 'bad' in some way if everyone comes over in a clump and loots the chest at the same time or out of name order. I guess, as if Brenda opening the loot chest first will allow her to empty it before the fourth person makes it to the chest.

Please confirm this is nothing more than daffy nonsense.

What chest?? If you are talking about the plain old chests you run across everywhere,then whoever gets to it first gets the loot. Whoever opens it.
Otherwise,I am not sure which chests you are referring to. The Dolmens? Everyone gets whatever is in the chests there.

GivvumBoane

Volkodav wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Okay, I see that the whole "Don't hit the pinions until the end" thing is superstition. Apparently it was said on eso live a while back, don't know when though I would like to know. Because I would really like to be able to provide the exact date of the episode so the people that are STILL spreading this superstition around can hear it for themselves.

But then there's this chest loot thing. I've been told that it matters what order people in a group open the loot chest.

As in, you have a group Dave / Brenda / Wally / Michelle. On the screen, the names are in order Dave / Brenda / Wally / Michelle. Supposedly there is more/better loot in the chest if everybody waits while Dave goes first, then Brenda, then Wally, then Michelle.

Supposedly it is 'bad' in some way if everyone comes over in a clump and loots the chest at the same time or out of name order. I guess, as if Brenda opening the loot chest first will allow her to empty it before the fourth person makes it to the chest.

Please confirm this is nothing more than daffy nonsense.

What chest?? If you are talking about the plain old chests you run across everywhere,then whoever gets to it first gets the loot. Whoever opens it.
Otherwise,I am not sure which chests you are referring to. The Dolmens? Everyone gets whatever is in the chests there.

I think he's referring to dolmen chests

Morimizo

I like to run three counter-clockwise circles around the chest, stopping at its eastern corner, and jumping over it to the west.

If I can't do this because the chest is too close to the wall, I don't even bother; let someone else find out the hard way it doesn't have anything shiny inside!

Also, I only attempt chests on every second Tirdas, each Fredas (TGIF!!), or alternating Middas and Loredas, depending on if Masser or Secunda are at waxing or waning gibbous, respectively.

Again, if these conditions aren't met, let some other daft fool line his backpack with worthless non-set-piece greenies, I just can't waste the time.

You might think this is LOONY, but those cute birds never so much as coughed up a lockpick, much less could tell me the cycles of the moon to guide my enlightened exploration.

No, if you want REAL help figuring out why the percentage chance of finding a magnificent piece of loot is somewhere quite short of .00000001%, ask Mai'q.

He doesn't know either, but his theory-crafting is unmatched.

Volkodav

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Cryptical wrote: »

Okay, I see that the whole "Don't hit the pinions until the end" thing is superstition. Apparently it was said on eso live a while back, don't know when though I would like to know. Because I would really like to be able to provide the exact date of the episode so the people that are STILL spreading this superstition around can hear it for themselves.

But then there's this chest loot thing. I've been told that it matters what order people in a group open the loot chest.

As in, you have a group Dave / Brenda / Wally / Michelle. On the screen, the names are in order Dave / Brenda / Wally / Michelle. Supposedly there is more/better loot in the chest if everybody waits while Dave goes first, then Brenda, then Wally, then Michelle.

Supposedly it is 'bad' in some way if everyone comes over in a clump and loots the chest at the same time or out of name order. I guess, as if Brenda opening the loot chest first will allow her to empty it before the fourth person makes it to the chest.

Please confirm this is nothing more than daffy nonsense.

What chest?? If you are talking about the plain old chests you run across everywhere,then whoever gets to it first gets the loot. Whoever opens it.
Otherwise,I am not sure which chests you are referring to. The Dolmens? Everyone gets whatever is in the chests there.

I think he's referring to dolmen chests

Right.Everyone gets whatever is in it.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Cryptical wrote: »

Okay, I see that the whole "Don't hit the pinions until the end" thing is superstition. Apparently it was said on eso live a while back, don't know when though I would like to know. Because I would really like to be able to provide the exact date of the episode so the people that are STILL spreading this superstition around can hear it for themselves.[\quote]This is indeed superstition.

Cryptical wrote: »

But then there's this chest loot thing. I've been told that it matters what order people in a group open the loot chest.

As in, you have a group Dave / Brenda / Wally / Michelle. On the screen, the names are in order Dave / Brenda / Wally / Michelle. Supposedly there is more/better loot in the chest if everybody waits while Dave goes first, then Brenda, then Wally, then Michelle.

Supposedly it is 'bad' in some way if everyone comes over in a clump and loots the chest at the same time or out of name order. I guess, as if Brenda opening the loot chest first will allow her to empty it before the fourth person makes it to the chest.

Please confirm this is nothing more than daffy nonsense.

And this is.

GivvumBoane

Morimizo wrote: »

I like to run three counter-clockwise circles around the chest, stopping at its eastern corner, and jumping over it to the west.

If I can't do this because the chest is too close to the wall, I don't even bother; let someone else find out the hard way it doesn't have anything shiny inside!

Also, I only attempt chests on every second Tirdas, each Fredas (TGIF!!), or alternating Middas and Loredas, depending on if Masser or Secunda are at waxing or waning gibbous, respectively.

Again, if these conditions aren't met, let some other daft fool line his backpack with worthless non-set-piece greenies, I just can't waste the time.

You might think this is LOONY, but those cute birds never so much as coughed up a lockpick, much less could tell me the cycles of the moon to guide my enlightened exploration.

No, if you want REAL help figuring out why the percentage chance of finding a magnificent piece of loot is somewhere quite short of .00000001%, ask Mai'q.

He doesn't know either, but his theory-crafting is unmatched.

Lmao, you mean Mai'q the liar? Lol that guy's a bit burnt

Volkodav

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Morimizo wrote: »

I like to run three counter-clockwise circles around the chest, stopping at its eastern corner, and jumping over it to the west.

If I can't do this because the chest is too close to the wall, I don't even bother; let someone else find out the hard way it doesn't have anything shiny inside!

Also, I only attempt chests on every second Tirdas, each Fredas (TGIF!!), or alternating Middas and Loredas, depending on if Masser or Secunda are at waxing or waning gibbous, respectively.

Again, if these conditions aren't met, let some other daft fool line his backpack with worthless non-set-piece greenies, I just can't waste the time.

You might think this is LOONY, but those cute birds never so much as coughed up a lockpick, much less could tell me the cycles of the moon to guide my enlightened exploration.

No, if you want REAL help figuring out why the percentage chance of finding a magnificent piece of loot is somewhere quite short of .00000001%, ask Mai'q.

He doesn't know either, but his theory-crafting is unmatched.

Lmao, you mean Mai'q the liar? Lol that guy's a bit burnt

Well,..can you say Skooma? XD

GivvumBoane

I think Mai'q is an alchemist oversampling his own products. He may even be eating mushrooms.
This Khajiit is many sheets to the wind, yes?

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

Hmpfh, they even force shrooms on us.
And peyote.
And Godknowswhat.

If my doctor knew this....

SlayerTheDragon

I always seem to get that last tumbler down in the very last second...

GivvumBoane

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

I always seem to get that last tumbler down in the very last second...

I'm always down to the wire on master chests

Volkodav

GivvumBoane wrote: »

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

I always seem to get that last tumbler down in the very last second...

I'm always down to the wire on master chests

Me too,but I always pull it off.Once in a while I'll have to do it again on the Master ones.
I look around to see if anyone saw me not get it.lol. XD

Duiwel

Can confirm OP I had many friends who believed this and I made them realise the error of their beliefs.

That this is fact a myth.

failkiwib16_ESO

@Volkodav & @GivvumBoane

Locations with shared chests between players who are grouped together:

• Dolmens - as many players as possible.
• Trials - 12 players.
• Group dungeons - 4 players.

Since OP mentioned 4 players in his example, then he was probably thinking of group dungeons, but this post could be about chests in general

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I don't know if anything beside the Champion Point passives and Imperial race bonus "luck" affects loot from shared chests. In general all chest loot is poopy.

Chests from trophy vaults in vWGT and vICP are in my opinion weird, as I have noticed both on bosses/mobs and chests there that stamina users often get magicka gear and magicka users often get stamina gear x_x

Runs

For the pinions...

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Ask Us Anything – ESO Live 1/15/16

M'Hael - True or false? Waiting to put all 4 pinions down on a dolmen until the end of the first phase increases your chance of getting a rare boss in the second phase?
We answered this a while ago in an Ask Us Anything. Here’s the reply: Interacting with a pinion gives you a buff that boosts damage of all participants by 10% for 30 seconds, also restoring resources to full (HP, Stam, Magicka). Once all 4 pinions are interacted, the next stage in the event is triggered. Generals are random (with zone factored in some), not based on how many monsters you kill.

As read here

And seriously...

Wearing year old underwear does increase drops. I no longer have a fly issue as they are dropping dead.

Cryptical

Thank you Runs for the detailed info I couldn't track down. You get an Awesome from me.

Otherwise, specifically...

I know there are some things shared among all in the world. Random chests and crafting items are seen by all and disappear from your sight of someone else walks up and grabs them.

Some things appear just for you, they are instanced just for you. The dirt mound in a treasure map, for example. Blue lore books for another example. Entire players that are in your group disappear from your sight when one of you is in an area that is different in a quest way - the 'kill all the daedra in the town' area, for example.

It has always been my understanding that dolmen chests instance just for you, that the contents depend solely on your performance at completing that anchor spawn event, that everything that appears in a dolmen chest is instanced just for you, but I'm being told differently.

Now, that same person is going around in the imperial sewers, and I hear them on guild chat telling people that they have to open the chests that appear in the order of the names on the screen. I don't know exactly what imperial sewer chests are being talked about, just that they appear after a fight.

Zerok

waterfairy

Cryptical wrote: »

It has always been my understanding that dolmen chests instance just for you, that the contents depend solely on your performance at completing that anchor spawn event, that everything that appears in a dolmen chest is instanced just for you, but I'm being told differently.

Nope, I'm pretty sure it's leveled RNG unless a general spawns then you get their named loot from the chest.

You make it too easy to make a joke but I'll be nice and point out that superstitions are just as silly in this game as in real life.

SlayerSyrena

Yeah, I remember, while I was playing on one of my non-vet alts, some vet ran up to the anchor and got annoyed, whispering me that I need to 'L2P' because I popped a pinion before the event was over, and thus 'decreased the chance of getting a General'. He then whispered me to 'stop the ignorance' by spreading the word about not popping the pinions till the end, and rode off.

*rolls eyes*

Danikat

Opening the chest in the 'correct' order helps you get better loot in exactly the same way as holding A+B helps make sure the Pokeball stays closed.

In other words it doesn't. But humans really do not like random events and will always look for patterns to explain how things work and how the outcome is determined. We're much, much more likely to see patterns that aren't there than to accept that something is random and there is nothing we can do to control the outcome.

Maybe someone got their best-ever drop when the chest was opened in order, maybe they just remember getting particularly bad drops during a run where someone lower down the list was always quicker to open the chest. Maybe someone just made it up with no basis beyond feeling like that's how it should work.

It's hard to say how it could have gotten started, but it's the kind of rumour gamers have been clinging to as long as there have been games to apply them to.

GivvumBoane

Danikat wrote: »

Opening the chest in the 'correct' order helps you get better loot in exactly the same way as holding A+B helps make sure the Pokeball stays closed.

In other words it doesn't. But humans really do not like random events and will always look for patterns to explain how things work and how the outcome is determined. We're much, much more likely to see patterns that aren't there than to accept that something is random and there is nothing we can do to control the outcome.

Maybe someone got their best-ever drop when the chest was opened in order, maybe they just remember getting particularly bad drops during a run where someone lower down the list was always quicker to open the chest. Maybe someone just made it up with no basis beyond feeling like that's how it should work.

It's hard to say how it could have gotten started, but it's the kind of rumour gamers have been clinging to as long as there have been games to apply them to.

Yep, superstitions exist because they can't be disproven ( short of a dev. Jumping in and directly stating it) because there's no way to know what loot they would have gotten had they opened the chest a "different way". So, superstitious people will always be superstitious people.