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robwolf666

So I've had many looks at Cyrodiil this past couple of weeks with a V16, and I've come to the conclusion there must be many cheaters there, it's the only explanation as to why, V16 v/s V16, you can barely make a dent in them, yet they somehow manage to practically one-hit-kill you... Now, I know I'm exactly an expert at PvP, but the vast difference in character capability seems naturally impossible to me, smells of cheating in some way... not sure what or how, but, like I say, the logical conclusion.

Another peeve is getting swarmed by loads of ppl, though that's more my kids... running around Cyrodiil for the first time, simply exploring a new area, when she got jumped by five, yes FIVE, Reds... how brave and manly they must feel.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO

But of course.
As do ants.
Swarming.
The weak overcoming the... well... weak, I fear.

Thankfully, they are not cowards. :P

Tryxus

At least you didn't get tea bagged

Skinless_Jerk

Tryxus wrote: »

At least you didn't get tea bagged

have patience ... it'll come

leepalmer95

robwolf666 wrote: »

So I've had many looks at Cyrodiil this past couple of weeks with a V16, and I've come to the conclusion there must be many cheaters there, it's the only explanation as to why, V16 v/s V16, you can barely make a dent in them, yet they somehow manage to practically one-hit-kill you... Now, I know I'm exactly an expert at PvP, but the vast difference in character capability seems naturally impossible to me, smells of cheating in some way... not sure what or how, but, like I say, the logical conclusion.

Another peeve is getting swarmed by loads of ppl, though that's more my kids... running around Cyrodiil for the first time, simply exploring a new area, when she got jumped by five, yes FIVE, Reds... how brave and manly they must feel.

Pretty sure the cheaters, just have better gear, better build and more experience then you.

Also if you only have 1 v16 you likely have low cp.
Go to a non cp campaign.

Wollust

You would be surprised how much of a difference skill, build, CP and overall understanding about the game make

Ser Lobo

Simply the principle of 'skill' can make a difference. Using an ideal ability rotation can make a huge difference in damage output. An ability that follows a crit increase or armor reduction can do far more damage than one that is on it's own, that kind of thing.

Sadly, to track what is 'best', these players have to do a lot of work and spend a lot of gold respeccing. Because ZOS, for whatever reason, keeps trying to kill the ideal playstyles (or meta, if your familiar with that definition) through selective nerfs and adjustments.

For the rest of us? Just play what's comfortable for you, but don't be too surprised if you're not a 'no lifer' who rides the meta wave all the time. The real problem of this game is that there is such a large gap between 'casual' builds and 'pro' builds.

Then again, it's that difference that's the reason why so many hardcore players come to ESO. They like that they can trash scrubs with their amazing number crunching skillz.

Rohamad_Ali

As part of the Cyrodiil peeps , I'd like to say thank you for visiting ! There are many great tips to help adventure more safely in the Alliance War section , Player helping players and skills and combat sub categories .

If ever you feel you experienced a exploiting player , feel free to write a support ticket at the end right of the information top bar . Also , there are some meager alliance war tips in the information area of the player UI .

redspecter23

PvP in this game is more than just your level. Level plays a role but not nearly as much as experience, skill, awareness, gear, skills and rotations and much more. Just being v16 doesn't guarantee an even fight around here. You have to put in time and learn the role as well as do research on the metagame, builds, counters to those builds and skills and even then, you have to know how to implement that knowledge with split second accuracy.

That being said, yes, you will run into exploiters from time to time but it's important to learn the difference between a skill gap and an exploiter.

Magdalina

One thing that might give someone an ultimate advantage over you is ping. I have dueled a lot of people and it's actually VISIBLE just how much faster it is possible for people with <100 ping to perform certain actions/combinations that can save their lives while performed by me with my ~300 ping they'd get me killed. It's not impossible to beat a (good) player with low ping but it is certainly harder than when fighting those with ping similar to yours.

Now if you're in US with ~100 ping yourself...and even if you aren't...let's move onto next part, anyway;)

PvP is that place where the difference between good and bad build (also good and bad connection...) will become strikingly apparent. You being v16 means nothing, non v16 get battle leveled anyway. How many CP are you at? What kind of build are you running?

Even if you're at CP cap with a decent build and ping, if you're new, there will be people who wreck you. Some of them have spent YEARS by now practicing doing this, their reactions are light fast, they could tap the right keys with closed eyes, they know how to counter whatever you do. It's like you go against a pro wrestler and he wins against you with ease even though you're both, say, 25 years old. Except unlike poor newbie wrestler, you don't really need years of training to stand a chance, all you need is decent gear and some practice;) Just keep in mind some people out there will almost always wreck you and it's fair enough.

Also, exploits do happen. But nowhere as often as you'd think, people just love blaming them dying on an exploit...

Ackwalan

Yes there are cheaters. Yes there are people who are really good at gaming without cheating. The problem is, the cheaters are very good at cheating, and it is difficult for people to prove they are cheating.

phairdon

robwolf666 wrote: »

So I've had many looks at Cyrodiil this past couple of weeks with a V16, and I've come to the conclusion there must be many cheaters there, it's the only explanation as to why, V16 v/s V16, you can barely make a dent in them, yet they somehow manage to practically one-hit-kill you... Now, I know I'm exactly an expert at PvP, but the vast difference in character capability seems naturally impossible to me, smells of cheating in some way... not sure what or how, but, like I say, the logical conclusion.

Another peeve is getting swarmed by loads of ppl, though that's more my kids... running around Cyrodiil for the first time, simply exploring a new area, when she got jumped by five, yes FIVE, Reds... how brave and manly they must feel.

Such is life in AvA. Run around on your own, always going to be a chance a group of enemy players will take you out. Why should they ignore someone because they're roaming solo?
Hate to say it, unless your character has the right gear, set up, etc, great chance you're going to struggle in the alliance war, or at least I keep reading this.
Please remember alliance vs alliance is not small scale pvp, even though many would like it to be/think it is.

babedenny

Honest question...

How does one cheat in combat? No, I'm looking for tips. Besides, I'm only V8 anyway. I'm just wondering how it would even be possible.

Skinless_Jerk

babedenny wrote: »

Honest question...

How does one cheat in combat?

FUTURE EXPLOITER WARNING ^^

Reported for trying to learn the way of the force through the forums jokes

babedenny

IKR...lol.

Cheating isn't in my nature though. I don't even like it when I get unsolicited help fighting a boss, because I wanted to solo them. It's how I gauge my skill progression.

"I was level 8 when I first met this boss, and I got p0wned. This time I'm level 6, and I was victorious!"

Jazbay_Grape

Tryxus wrote: »

At least you didn't get tea bagged[/

I might have the record for most times being tea bagged

WalkingLegacy

The cheating you think you see is called animation canceling. You master this and you'll be one shotting with the best of them.

Hopefully ZOS breaks this though.

Skinless_Jerk

babedenny wrote: »

IKR...lol.

Cheating isn't in my nature though. I don't even like it when I get unsolicited help fighting a boss, because I wanted to solo them. It's how I gauge my skill progression.

"First time I was level 8 when I met this boss, and I got p0wned. This time I'm level 6, and I was victorious!"

babedenny wrote: »

IKR...lol.

Cheating isn't in my nature though. I don't even like it when I get unsolicited help fighting a boss, because I wanted to solo them. It's how I gauge my skill progression.

"I was level 8 when I first met this boss, and I got p0wned. This time I'm level 6, and I was victorious!"

CP are a marvelous thing haha

babedenny

I have heard of this animation cancelling. Is it considered cheating, or just part of the game?

Skinless_Jerk

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

The cheating you think you see is called animation canceling. You master this and you'll be one shotting with the best of them.

Hopefully ZOS breaks this though.

hopefully, i feel your desire but imagine how many people would be upset? so, we can fairly say, after they reversed their decision on animation cancelling once already, that it most prob won't be implemented... or if it is, it won't be implemented correctly - thats a cert haha

Skinless_Jerk

babedenny wrote: »

I have heard of this animation cancelling. Is it considered cheating, or just part of the game?

part of the game and absolutely given the 'tip of the hat' treatment from ZoS. to do said 'exploit' (haha) tap a block after an ability to cancel the animation. now after i wrote this i got a feeling i'm being trolled................. hahahaha

babedenny

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

CP are a marvelous thing haha

They certainly help. No question. As long as they are used for the right skills.

babedenny

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

babedenny wrote: »

I have heard of this animation cancelling. Is it considered cheating, or just part of the game?

part of the game and absolutely given the 'tip of the hat' treatment from ZoS. to do said 'exploit' (haha) tap a block after an ability to cancel the animation. now after i wrote this i got a feeling i'm being trolled................. hahahaha

You were not being trolled. I just watched a video on it, only to learn that I had discovered this by accident while questing.

Miszou

Yeah. I went in there for a few days, sneaking around, hunting skyshards. I did get involved in a couple of interesting medium-scale skirmishes, but I was completely ineffective at anything other than dying almost instantly. I might have managed to throw a buff on some allies, but it was hard to tell.

Perhaps I'm just a filthy casual, but I ain't got time for that. The skill/gear/time/practice/build/knowledge barrier to entry is just too high and I've got better things to do in the evenings than run around for an hour only to get insta-gibbed for another practice-free death experience.

Fair play to those who enjoy it, but it's not for me.

Skinless_Jerk

babedenny wrote: »

Skinless_Jerk wrote: »

babedenny wrote: »

I have heard of this animation cancelling. Is it considered cheating, or just part of the game?

part of the game and absolutely given the 'tip of the hat' treatment from ZoS. to do said 'exploit' (haha) tap a block after an ability to cancel the animation. now after i wrote this i got a feeling i'm being trolled................. hahahaha

You were not being trolled. I just watched a video on it, only to learn that I had discovered this by accident while questing.

be warned, mis-timing the cancel can sap your stamina whilst battling... yes, i deserve every tea-bag i've ever received haha

Skinless_Jerk

Miszou wrote: »

Yeah. I went in there for a few days, sneaking around, hunting skyshards. I did get involved in a couple of interesting medium-scale skirmishes, but I was completely ineffective at anything other than dying almost instantly. I might have managed to throw a buff on some allies, but it was hard to tell.

Perhaps I'm just a filthy casual, but I ain't got time for that. The skill/gear/time/practice/build/knowledge barrier to entry is just too high and I've got better things to do in the evenings than run around for an hour only to get insta-gibbed for another practice-free death experience.

Fair play to those who enjoy it, but it's not for me.

your being insta-killed and your main is a dk tank? - how is this so?

Makkir

@robwolf666

Animation cancelling is the only way to stay competitive in PvP. It takes some practice and skill to master and will make a world of difference.

Also, on Trueflame NA PC last night, I was legit chased from Glade LM to Ales LM by about 20-30 Reds who resorted to horseback since I am a magicka sorc. There is a hill between those two resources that I intentionally ran down and just as expected half of them jumped the hill and took a bit of fall dmg. However, with the 800 ping I was unable to bar swap reliably and time proxy just right to nuke them all and they eventually zerged me down.

It happens, and they're all trashcans. If you can build around mobility and survivability like I do, you can hang around the far rear of the red zerg and pick them off one by one. Most of the time they are trash zerg lemmings who cannot PvP unless it's 10:1 odds. I can say this with confidence when I personally see them eat overload and meteors to the face.

Let them have their fun. When Battlegrounds are introduced and they are forced to play on even grounds, they won't know what the hell to do.

robwolf666

I get that build etc can make one character better than another, that's obvious, but for my money can't explain such a massive difference, something still smells dodgy about it. They pretty much swotted me down like I was still lvl1. I'm not an expert at the game, but I'm not a slouch either.

As for this "animation interrupt" that's been mentioned, you're pretty much saying people use this to get an advantage over others, so in other words, anyone doing it is using an "exploit" to cheat... so, it's reasonable to conclude that all the so-called "best" players are cheaters, if they use the exploit anyway. I guess if ZOS can't fix it, they could always turn their attention to those who use it.

mtwiggz

robwolf666 wrote: »

I get that build etc can make one character better than another, that's obvious, but for my money can't explain such a massive difference, something still smells dodgy about it. They pretty much swotted me down like I was still lvl1. I'm not an expert at the game, but I'm not a slouch either.

As for this "animation interrupt" that's been mentioned, you're pretty much saying people use this to get an advantage over others, so in other words, anyone doing it is using an "exploit" to cheat... so, it's reasonable to conclude that all the so-called "best" players are cheaters, if they use the exploit anyway. I guess if ZOS can't fix it, they could always turn their attention to those who use it.

Not sure if troll, but animation cancelling was added to the game unintentionally. ZoS has confirmed there is no way to remove it without changing how fluid combat is, so they decided to leave it. You'll need to learn how to do it to be competitive in this game at all. It is not considered an exploit.

robwolf666

I'm no troll, just someone trying to understand the vast differences between characters, and while I accept skill is part of it, it doesn't explain all of it. If ZoS have left something in the game they know full well gives some players an advantage over others, then they're just as guilty of removing the element of skill based competition, esp. when some people don't know about it, how to use it, or are simply not inclined to use it so they ARE actually interested in using skill instead of a shortcut... I still say it's an exploit of sorts, and cheating. *shrug*

Aeaeren

babedenny wrote: »

I have heard of this animation cancelling. Is it considered cheating, or just part of the game?

Part of the game. Better learn how to do it.