Should Twin Sisters be a Heavy Armor set?

SRIBES

With the scaling of the old PvP sets some of them haven't been adjusted to function with this update. One of these, in my opinion is twin sisters. It is really hard to block in medium armor due to the lack of constitution and with how little damage twin sisters will do in PvP now+its 5 meter range, it almost seems useless. What do you guys think?

Cinbri

Constitution is not that big advantage, but with reduce of Bracing and introducing of revamped Sturdy - medium sturdy TS will be almost same as heavy armor in block but you will have advantage from medium armor offensive passives. So, medium TS is better than heavy.
Heavy armor currently is unique and give advantage to both builds, while medium only to stamina, light - to magicka. If it was heavy it should scale from higher modifier to deal either phys or magick damage, so both magick/stamina users would get advantage from this neutral armor type.

Gottbeard

Yes

As long as Stam regeneration is cut off while blocking then yes. It makes it equivalent to other vestigial sets like elegance that were correctly adjusted to make sense with new mechanics. Cyrodils ward and twin sister should be heavy and have their Stam regeneration set bones replaced with something to support their obvious block centric 5 pieces.

Silver_Strider

Yes

Yeah, I never understood why Twin Sisters and Ward of Cyrodiil were Medium sets with their 5 piece bonus being more geared for tanking.

Alcast

No

Equip Jewlry+head Shoulder then you can wear another heavy armor set. GIVEN that there is jewelry.

SRIBES

Yes

Alcast wrote: »

Equip Jewlry+head Shoulder then you can wear another heavy armor set. GIVEN that there is jewelry.

There isn't jewelry for twin sisters.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

No

A heavy set that kills while you do nothing but block no. My DK with sick magicka recovery for a stamina build can hold block forever. The exploits will be killer

Alcast

No

SRIBES wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Equip Jewlry+head Shoulder then you can wear another heavy armor set. GIVEN that there is jewelry.

There isn't jewelry for twin sisters.

if the bags function same as rewards of the worthy then yes there is. Or did we get confirmation that there isnt any?

SRIBES

Yes

Alcast wrote: »

SRIBES wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Equip Jewlry+head Shoulder then you can wear another heavy armor set. GIVEN that there is jewelry.

There isn't jewelry for twin sisters.

if the bags function same as rewards of the worthy then yes there is. Or did we get confirmation that there isnt any?

They said in their post that it will come in the same items as 1.6 and that they will CONSIDER expanding traits and set pieces.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

Yes

Almalexia should be as well. My Argonian NB magicka tank would LOVE to rock that set. Same for Syrabane, though I'd be happy if it just came with a necklace to go with the rings, which would still leave option for 5pc Heavy. With the 6% global ability cost increase making Siphoning Attacks' stat return even worse, Syrabane would be immensely helpful.

Alcast

No

SRIBES wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

SRIBES wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Equip Jewlry+head Shoulder then you can wear another heavy armor set. GIVEN that there is jewelry.

There isn't jewelry for twin sisters.

if the bags function same as rewards of the worthy then yes there is. Or did we get confirmation that there isnt any?

They said in their post that it will come in the same items as 1.6 and that they will CONSIDER expanding traits and set pieces.

ok thx for the info

GreenSoup2HoT

No

I personally think it should remain a medium Armour set. Considering this set is duel wield means that this set should be used with more active blocking rather then holding block. Which is why i can see a medium Armour player using this.

The damage is not that bad. Combined with the bleed of the axe's, if you happen to get both proc'd at once and then applie pressure the damage is not something to forget about.

If you play a really in your face playstyle like i do with stamina nightblade, i could be blocking and proc'ing the damage very often. The only reason i will not use this set is because of no regen while blocking, it's already more advantageous to just heal through damage then block at all. Which is why i can assume you think it would be better in heavy since you have constitution.

I personally still think all the penalty's to stamina should be tweaked. No regen while blocking, no regen while sprinting or moving in stealth and dodge roll cost increase. All these things were overboard changes in my opinion. There was no pts testing with different values, they just shut us out and said deal with it....

Bfish22090

No

Alcast wrote: »

Equip Jewlry+head Shoulder then you can wear another heavy armor set. GIVEN that there is jewelry.

please make a video as soon as you figure out if there is jewelry or not

Lava_Croft

No

I read OP's title as: I want this armor set for my Heavy Armor Stamina Dragon Knight because obviously I don't feel like it's strong enough yet.

Gottbeard

Yes

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Yeah, I never understood why Twin Sisters and Ward of Cyrodiil were Medium sets with their 5 piece bonus being more geared for tanking.

Well when they were designed, medium armor block tanks were supported by the mechanics. The game used to work differently. If you see a set with spell power and weapon crit the devs we're not smoking Crack, it is just outdated.

They have done a pretty good job of reworking out dated sets based on old mechanics but there are still a few left. Stygian, twin sister's, cyrodiil ward,thunderous plate. Can anyone think of anymore sets that were designed with old mechanics in mind?

Cinbri

Can we get info if PvP sets like this will get missing parts, including jewels and weapons?
Nwm:

MSchroeder wrote: »

Because we wanted to react to your feedback as quickly as possible, we have not added any new items to these sets. Adding new items would have made it impossible to implement any item sourcing changes for the sets in time for the Dark Brotherhood update. If a set didn’t previously include jewelry, weapons, or armor, then it doesn’t have those currently. We’ll be looking at expanding the item slots these sets can come in sometime in the future.

So we won't get new parts.

Vangy

Yes

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

I personally think it should remain a medium Armour set. Considering this set is duel wield means that this set should be used with more active blocking rather then holding block. Which is why i can see a medium Armour player using this.

The damage is not that bad. Combined with the bleed of the axe's, if you happen to get both proc'd at once and then applie pressure the damage is not something to forget about.

If you play a really in your face playstyle like i do with stamina nightblade, i could be blocking and proc'ing the damage very often. The only reason i will not use this set is because of no regen while blocking, it's already more advantageous to just heal through damage then block at all. Which is why i can assume you think it would be better in heavy since you have constitution.

I personally still think all the penalty's to stamina should be tweaked. No regen while blocking, no regen while sprinting or moving in stealth and dodge roll cost increase. All these things were overboard changes in my opinion. There was no pts testing with different values, they just shut us out and said deal with it....

Considering that the proc chance for the bleed via block is 20%, this set is worthless as a medium armor set. On my stam toons im already running shuffle coupled with dodge rolls + high regen. Blocking would;

1. Punish my stam regen.
2. Even when I block, my 20% chance to axe bleed might not proc on successful block.
3. Major evasion might proc when im blocking thereby negating point 2.
4. And if point 3 happens, then i get punished via point 1 for nothing.
5. And no way am I removing shuffle from stam build in medium armour.


Aka current twin sister set is worthless to 90% of stam builds..... The only people who'd use it are block builds and block builds are in heavy armour running SnB.... Not twin axes...... The block cost insanity on PTS coupled with 0 stam regen and you will be sitting at 0 stam long before the 20% chance to bleed ever procs....

Xsorus

Yes

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Yeah, I never understood why Twin Sisters and Ward of Cyrodiil were Medium sets with their 5 piece bonus being more geared for tanking.

Go watch my old stamina dk videos with this set. It used to work beautifully before they jacked blocking, and the range.

Vangy

Yes

Xsorus wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Yeah, I never understood why Twin Sisters and Ward of Cyrodiil were Medium sets with their 5 piece bonus being more geared for tanking.

Go watch my old stamina dk videos with this set. It used to work beautifully before they jacked blocking, and the range.

God forbid players get options. We should all be in 5/5 hundings and spam WB or reverb with ransack....Coupled with shuffle + dodge roll.