Spear 2.0

Sogreth

I thought I would make another one since I really liked the idea!

And here is the link to the last thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/102253/spears/p1

I would really like to see this weapon type in the game. I'd also like Unarmed/Fist Weapons too.....But, I suppose I will keep this all about spears.

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Lenikus

Sogreth wrote: »

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You don't come here too often, right?


Aaanywayz. yea. spears / polearms / pointy sticks. Hooray. yes. please add them to teh list, Zeni.... but take ur time, poor zeni already has too much in it's plate.

dday3six

Are you talking as a new weapon type just added to the existing 2H skill line? Or a completely new skill line?

Robbmrp

ZOS needs to balance the skills that they have before introducing new ones.

Lynx7386

My nightblade would be complete if only they'd add polearms and crossbows. If be fine with them just being 2h/bow weapon additions

Rohamad_Ali

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jIHUZJI03YU

Zardayne

Robbmrp wrote: »

ZOS needs to balance the skills that they have before introducing new ones.

I hear this on every thread about new content. If that was the case we'd never have any new content...EVER

And yes, spears please

mistermutiny89

Stamina has enough weapons at the moment.

I would love to see spectral daggers or chakrams for magicka builds.. Something melee range that does magicka or elemental damage, with two slots not just one.

If you want spears, use a Templar.

Edit: because my phone is out of control tonight.

Masuimi

Robbmrp wrote: »

ZOS needs to balance the skills that they have before introducing new ones.

This is basically the same as saying you don't ever want any new skill lines

Rohamad_Ali

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Stamina has enough weapons at the moment.

I would love to see spectral daggers or chakrams for magicka builds.. Something melee range that does magicka or elemental damage, with two slots not just one.

If you want spears, use a Templar.

Edit: because my phone is out of control tonight.

Then make a thread about that . Maybe role players want to hold a spear in their characters hand . Maybe the crafting community would like to make money off new weapon styles . No need to shut down someone's request just because you think something else .

mistermutiny89

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Stamina has enough weapons at the moment.

I would love to see spectral daggers or chakrams for magicka builds.. Something melee range that does magicka or elemental damage, with two slots not just one.

If you want spears, use a Templar.

Edit: because my phone is out of control tonight.

Then make a thread about that . Maybe role players want to hold a spear in their characters hand . Maybe the crafting community would like to make money off new weapon styles . No need to shut down someone's request just because you think something else .

Apologies @Roehamad_Ali , I forgot I'm on the ESO forums.. Which means I have to add a disclaimer under EVERYTHING I say.

Disclaimer: nice idea but I'd prefer the collection of magicka weapons to at least catch up to stamina first.

Again, sorry for not sprinkling enough fairy dust on my comment, I'd never want to shut anyone down on these forums for voicing ideas on making the game more interesting.

cyclonus11

"...slashing, and bashing, and sometimes even the poking."

Masuimi

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Stamina has enough weapons at the moment.

I would love to see spectral daggers or chakrams for magicka builds.. Something melee range that does magicka or elemental damage, with two slots not just one.

If you want spears, use a Templar.

Edit: because my phone is out of control tonight.

Then make a thread about that . Maybe role players want to hold a spear in their characters hand . Maybe the crafting community would like to make money off new weapon styles . No need to shut down someone's request just because you think something else .

Apologies @Roehamad_Ali , I forgot I'm on the ESO forums.. Which means I have to add a disclaimer under EVERYTHING I say.

Disclaimer: nice idea but I'd prefer the collection of magicka weapons to at least catch up to stamina first.

Again, sorry for not sprinkling enough fairy dust on my comment, I'd never want to shut anyone down on these forums for voicing ideas on making the game more interesting.

Being passive aggressive is so cool.

Rohamad_Ali

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Stamina has enough weapons at the moment.

I would love to see spectral daggers or chakrams for magicka builds.. Something melee range that does magicka or elemental damage, with two slots not just one.

If you want spears, use a Templar.

Edit: because my phone is out of control tonight.

Then make a thread about that . Maybe role players want to hold a spear in their characters hand . Maybe the crafting community would like to make money off new weapon styles . No need to shut down someone's request just because you think something else .

Apologies @Roehamad_Ali , I forgot I'm on the ESO forums.. Which means I have to add a disclaimer under EVERYTHING I say.

Disclaimer: nice idea but I'd prefer the collection of magicka weapons to at least catch up to stamina first.

Again, sorry for not sprinkling enough fairy dust on my comment, I'd never want to shut anyone down on these forums for voicing ideas on making the game more interesting.

Cool . I understand now . Thanks for expanding the post .

failkiwib16_ESO

OP for your information, the first post in that thread was dated back to May 2014, lol

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I think spears would be a nice new weapon skill line for this game. It's a weapon that fits the style and immersion well.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Seriously.

Polearms and Unarmed Combat NEED to be in the game YESTERDAY.

AfkNinja

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

OP for your information, the first post in that thread was dated back to May 2014, lol

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I think spears would be a nice new weapon skill line for this game. It's a weapon that fits the style and immersion well.

Also its cool that y'know, it was the META during actual real ground warfare for a preeeeeety long time. Spears are effective AND cool.

RAGUNAnoOne

They actually have NPCs that use spears so it can't be that hard toprogram

susmitds

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Stamina has enough weapons at the moment.

I would love to see spectral daggers or chakrams for magicka builds.. Something melee range that does magicka or elemental damage, with two slots not just one.

If you want spears, use a Templar.

Edit: because my phone is out of control tonight.

Chakrams are both used for physical and magical combat.

nimander99

Tots mcgoats dude. I'd like to be a hop-lite in Tamriel!

WalkingLegacy

nimander99 wrote: »

Tots mcgoats dude. I'd like to be a hop-lite in Tamriel!

I agree. I would love to shout out "hope-lee-tehs!!!" ( say it fast)

Aw Rome Total War you've taught me so much.

dodgehopper_ESO

susmitds wrote: »

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Stamina has enough weapons at the moment.

I would love to see spectral daggers or chakrams for magicka builds.. Something melee range that does magicka or elemental damage, with two slots not just one.

If you want spears, use a Templar.

Edit: because my phone is out of control tonight.

Chakrams are both used for physical and magical combat.

People have magical combat in the real world? News to me

In all seriousness we could use 2 spear skills in the game, one would be a short spear added to the 1h+Shield line (for all the Hoplites) and the other could be a Polearm skill line that includes Cudgels (staves that aren't magical), Spears, Ranseurs, Poleaxes, Pikes, Bec de Corbin, etc etc etc. In all reality though for them to keep animations logical it might be best if Spears/Tridents/Ranseurs etc are in one skill line of their own. All too often I see spears in games (movies do this too) spun around like some kind of wushu competition, and frankly it doesn't look too believable. Spears are meant to poke.

Baconlad

Spears are meant to poke. But any trained combatant should know that "weapon of opportunity" mean that they can kill you with a book, or they can kill you with the hilt of a sword, or the middle of a spear, or the buttstock of a rifle ...... XD ..... Just thought id put my two cents in

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Achilles VS Hector in spear and shield combat.... Epic


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80SsC_ZNbyI

of course until it turns to sword and shield combat and then just sword and a broken spear tip combat..

dodgehopper_ESO

Baconlad wrote: »

Spears are meant to poke. But any trained combatant should know that "weapon of opportunity" mean that they can kill you with a book, or they can kill you with the hilt of a sword, or the middle of a spear, or the buttstock of a rifle ...... XD ..... Just thought id put my two cents in

I agree, I just don't like the way in video games (or movies) that these unusual animations end up dominating the action, and don't look particularly realistic as a result. The whole point of a spear is to keep your opponent at a distance, and gives you a great way to target a wide array of weak spots on your opponent in a very short period of time (due to the angles involved, it is effortless to go from head to leg, and anything in between). The obvious approach of someone with a shorter weapon will be to close the gap if they must, but there is obvious risk involved in that. I'm also not as big a fan of seeing characters do wushu attacks while they have a perfectly good weapon they can attack with: Steel is better than a foot. This doesn't mean that takedowns using a sweep of the leg an unbalancing attack or hip flip while locked with an opponent are unrealistic. The point is simply that these kinds of things have a right timing. If you have a spear you would rather not get in a clinch, and you have a weapon that's very good at keeping opponents at bay. (also the longspear often had a shield wall or spear wall making it very difficult to break past, but that's another issue entirely that can't be replicated in the game).

tplink3r1

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

Spears are meant to poke. But any trained combatant should know that "weapon of opportunity" mean that they can kill you with a book, or they can kill you with the hilt of a sword, or the middle of a spear, or the buttstock of a rifle ...... XD ..... Just thought id put my two cents in

I agree, I just don't like the way in video games (or movies) that these unusual animations end up dominating the action, and don't look particularly realistic as a result. The whole point of a spear is to keep your opponent at a distance, and gives you a great way to target a wide array of weak spots on your opponent in a very short period of time (due to the angles involved, it is effortless to go from head to leg, and anything in between). The obvious approach of someone with a shorter weapon will be to close the gap if they must, but there is obvious risk involved in that. I'm also not as big a fan of seeing characters do wushu attacks while they have a perfectly good weapon they can attack with: Steel is better than a foot. This doesn't mean that takedowns using a sweep of the leg an unbalancing attack or hip flip while locked with an opponent are unrealistic. The point is simply that these kinds of things have a right timing. If you have a spear you would rather not get in a clinch, and you have a weapon that's very good at keeping opponents at bay. (also the longspear often had a shield wall or spear wall making it very difficult to break past, but that's another issue entirely that can't be replicated in the game).

Do you really care about realism in this game?

Shadowfx1970

Not sure about spears but I'd love a boomerang personally instead of throwing a knife.

Korah_Eaglecry

Either they abandoned it for other reasons or they did it because they were going to basically have Class skills revolving around it for the Templar.

But it still remains in the game. The animations can be seen in both the Templar skill line and in some animations of NPCs like the Fighters Guild in Skywatch.

Whos to say if theyll ever add it back into the game and do something with it. Its interesting to note that many NPCs appearing after Wrothgar have shown to be wearing light javelin quivers. So who knows, this may be early additions to the game with plans for a new ranged weapon skill line.

TheShadowScout

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Stamina has enough weapons at the moment.

You can NEVER have enough options!

That's why I keep suggesting some, like... https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/259011/additional-weapon-skill-ideas/p1