Activity Finder is STILL terrible

Azurephoenix999

Few things I'd like to bring up:

1. Group Leader is randomly selected and could screw the whole team out of a victory with the press of a single button.
2. No Trials
3. It takes, like, an hour to get matched up sometimes.
4. Nothing for Public Dungeons or just general questing.
5. No Language Filter

1)Group Leader is randomly selected and could screw the whole team out of a victory with the press of a single button.

Already discussed this in another thread, have a quick read: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/260118/group-disbanded-mid-dungeon-got-auto-kicked-can-zos-implement-something-to-prevent-this

2) No Trials

The whole reason they implemented the Group Finder and its more recent equivalent was because it can be inconvenient and time-wasting as hell to get 4 people together for a Group Delve.

Trials require 12 people, so naturally this means that it's at least 3 times as frustrating, and that's not even taking into consideration the ungodly amount of people that leave before you can get the full 12 because they're so sick of waiting.

I understand that it'd take longer to match people up, but for a Trial, I'd be cool with that!

So far, I've been completely unable to do a proper run through of a Trial at all, and it's entirely to do with the fact that getting people together to do it is so darn time consuming.

And for those people that keep whining on at me saying "just join a guild", I've tried. There's no central database of guilds to browse (at least not that I'm aware of), so I'm limited to the ones that advertise themselves on the forums here, and the ones I've been randomly invited to in-game. The latter are annoying as hell and rarely come from a reliable guild, and the former rarely ever actually respond to me when I ask for an invite. Even when I have somehow managed to make it into the guild, the people there don't actually end up doing anything or responding to my group invites, so I have to leave the guild and find another.

3) Long wait times

Currently waiting to be matched up. Been waiting for almost an hour and a half. Pretty sure everybody that's used the feature has something to say about this one.

4) No Public Dungeons or General Questing

If you're having trouble with a Public Dungeon (content designed for a party of more than one person), or a World Boss, you can't turn to the Activity Finder for help.

5) No Language Filter

No option to only allow players of a certain language in. This is bad and let me tell you why.

A few weeks ago, I tried to do a run of Aetherian Archive. I gathered 12 players after 2 and a half hours of sending invites and then waiting for them to waddle themselves over from the middle of IC.

I invited all the players to a party...and nearly all of them were French. I don't want to sound racist, but I really don't like it when this happens. I've got nothing against the French, but that language barrier makes it REALLY difficult to communicate properly and directly resulted in us being completely unable to get past the first boss.

I know that it was a Trial and not from the Activity Finder, but the point still stands. If Trials do ever get implemented into this feature (which they should), this will undoubtedly become an issue and something needs to be done about it.

Is there anything else that I've forgotten to mention?

Smileybones

1) Will be fixed in next patch

2) Also apply idea #5 and you'll wait forever for a group match

3) Are you new to MMORPGs ? DPS always wait longer than heals and tankies

4) Because asking in zone not good ? What about guilds ?

5) Nonsense, if you were able to invite those French that means someone speaks English and could have translated.

Please stop bashing the dungeon finder already , it gets better and better patch after patch, need some patience.

Azurephoenix999

Smileybones wrote: »

1) Will be fixed in next patch

2) Also apply idea #5 and you'll wait forever for a group match

3) Are you new to MMORPGs ? DPS always wait longer than heals and tankies

4) Because asking in zone not good ? What about guilds ?

5) Nonsense, if you were able to invite those French that means someone speaks English and could have translated.

Please stop bashing the dungeon finder already , it gets better and better patch after patch, need some patience.

1) Fair enough.

2) #5 would be optional and explicitly for the tasks in which communication is a necessity.

3) This has nothing to do with being DPS, Tank, or Healer. 2 hours (the wait time I got just now before I quit) is far too long for ANYBODY.

4) Zone chat not on consoles yet, No arguments against the other thing. I just think that this tool is supposed to be for solo players who don't have friends to play with and thus should have an option for all group content.

5) Where on Earth is the logic in that? "There must've been a translator if you were able to invite them"? I ran up to them, held the menu button, and selected invite to group. Also, having to talk through a middle man for everything would be terrible in the middle of a fight.

I'm aware it's getting better, but it's still not very good.

therrieur

Are there still people that need help for public dungeons or world bosses?(assuming you're not severly underleveled)

phaneub17_ESO

I have done runs where no one talked, EVER. Why do you need a language filter?

RAGUNAnoOne

add this to the list SAME REWARD for vet and nonvet with the SAME GLOBAL COOLDOWN!!! Vet should get 3 times EXP and purple items at least with separate cooldowns.

disintegr8

I think communications is important in group dungeons, especially the harder ones. Did a PUG the other day with a couple of guys having a discussion in Spanish, then another where two people obviously knew each other and the guy was telling the girl all about what happened at work, dress code and stuff.... all on group chat.

I have four vet characters and have still not successfully completed every dungeon at least once, mostly because I rely on group finder. You get teamed up with people who have no idea or people who feel they don't need to talk because they know what they are doing. Maybe I am rubbish as well, but if people don't talk to tell me what I am doing wrong or could do better, I will stay rubbish.

I can do anywhere from 1 to 6 dungeons a day using group finder and most of the time people can't or won't talk.

As for waiting times, my DPS rarely gets in a dungeon unless I team up with at least one other person before joining group finder.

dday3six

Might not be a popular opinion but I don't think that a group of randoms from the activity finder would be able to complete a trial. They require a lot more organization than I have ever witnessed in AF. They're also much more demanding of roles, and builds. If a player ques up for an AF trial as a Tank or Healer and is not specced as one the party is pretty much doomed to failure. If a DPS does something silly like say spam heavy attacks, and nothing but heavy attacks, they're going to hold the rest back.

Getting a raid group together can be very frustrating, and it's a pretty new concept to many console players which doesn't help things either. Text Chat will help and it cannot come to console soon enough. However adding Trials to AF will just result in the same thing that's happening to WGT, ICP, and CoA. People who didn't bring even their C game to the table will complain, and the content will get nerfed. Fun is subjective but at the same time there is nothing wrong with content that has the expectation of communication and teamwork to overcome obstacles.

socivL

How is not speaking French races?

Azurephoenix999

socivL wrote: »

How is not speaking French races?

I was just concerned that people would point at me and yell "racist", because I was saying negative things about being matched up with French people.

SlayerTheDragon

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

add this to the list SAME REWARD for vet and nonvet with the SAME GLOBAL COOLDOWN!!! Vet should get 3 times EXP and purple items at least with separate cooldowns.

Vet should get a gold key, and normal a silver key.

Enodoc

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Few things I'd like to bring up:

1. Group Leader is randomly selected and could screw the whole team out of a victory with the press of a single button.
2. No Trials
3. It takes, like, an hour to get matched up sometimes.
4. Nothing for Public Dungeons or just general questing.
5. No Language Filter

1. After Dark Brotherhood, the group leader will no longer be able to disband a Dungeon Finder group, or kick players without a majority vote.
2. This is likely because PUG'ing a Trial would be very hard. Trial groups need to be well coordinated so that all members of the team are working together to do the right things at the right time.
   • That said, I think ZOS do have plans for doing something with Trials in the Group Finder in the future.
3. Aye. Seems to go quicker for Random than for the others, but it's still better than it used to be, most of the time.
4. That's likely because all Dungeon Finder dungeons are instanced, and the Dungeon Finder sets the mob level and scaling, and ports you directly to the dungeon. Public dungeons and questing cannot be scaled, as they are not instanced, and cannot be ported to.
   • With adaptations though, this should be doable as an extra section in the Group Finder; no scaling or porting needed, all it needs to do is create a group.
5. That could work, but ESO only has three supported languages.

lolo_01b16_ESO

We used to have trials as well as questing zones in the group finder. Both got removed when the group finder was changed to allow cross alliance grouping. Considering the fact that the group finder can lead to spawning at the wrong home base in pvp, it's probably good that they removed non instanced pve from the group finder.
However trials should be added again. I remember that we used them quite frequently to fill our group back in the days when aa and hel'ra dropped useful loot. Sure, you won't be able to complete vMoL or vSO with the group finder but for easier trials it would be nice.

Dubhliam

I said it many times, and I will say it again.

The group finder tool is not to blame.
The general lack of difficulty, tutorials and need for progress in the game is to blame.

As long as there are players with highly inefficient builds completing content, the grouping tool will be infrequently used.

laksikus

5) is rubbish. Yes im german, but i speak mostly english ingame.
My Client is german and I actually dont like other Group members starting to speak german suddenly. Its a kind of immersion breaking for me. So being limited to one language with Group finder is stupid.
That said, what hinders you on asking them to pls speak english with you?
I NEVER had a problem with it.


Did you als even ask them to speak english?

DeclaredJester

If ZOS would cater a bit more to tanks (and healers) there would be more of them signing up for activity finder and thus shorter waiting time for DPS. I think that would be the a better solution than the symptom treatment we see currently. If the group disband completely, I agree there should be a "do you want to leave the dungeon?" before just booting you out. In some dungeons the time the NPCs take to chatter is longer than the group kickout timer, and some people miss out on a skillpoint due to a group leader with no mic (or that just doesnt care).