Is Blackwater Blade Being Removed?

Valen_Byte

I really hope this is not true. @ZOS_GinaBruno is BwB being removed?

Minno

Who said that?

Valen_Byte

Minno wrote: »

Who said that?

It was said in the NA PC BwB thread that zos said, in a live stream, that they are removing it with DB.

Rune_Relic

Dont recall that.
All I heard was they would be having cp no-cp and non vet....but he wasnt sure without @ZOS_BrianWheeler
Thats was the DB PAX stream

Minno

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Who said that?

It was said in the NA PC BwB thread that zos said, in a live stream, that they are removing it with DB.

Link to the comment please. This is my first time hearing this.

KenaPKK

Honestly why would they keep it? It's the nonvet campaign, and vet ranks are being removed.

DeadlyRecluse

KenaPKK wrote: »

Honestly why would they keep it? It's the nonvet campaign, and vet ranks are being removed.

They would keep it because it is a campaign for those of us who enjoy developing builds without every skill unlocked (like magicka sorcs without ward or streak

They would keep it because many of us actually enjoy training new players, with all the headaches that entails.

They would keep it because BwB really does have a special culture that differs significantly (and many would argue, positively) from the vet campaigns.

Valen_Byte

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Honestly why would they keep it? It's the nonvet campaign, and vet ranks are being removed.

They would keep it because it is a campaign for those of us who enjoy developing builds without every skill unlocked (like magicka sorcs without ward or streak

They would keep it because many of us actually enjoy training new players, with all the headaches that entails.

They would keep it because BwB really does have a special culture that differs significantly (and many would argue, positively) from the vet campaigns.

I would also add to that:

Its the ONLY campaign that has great performance.

It is the only campaign that a brand new player can compete against people who have been playing for 2 years.

The removal of vet ranks means nothing really. They are simply calling it CP ranks instead of vet ranks. The mechanics are all still the same. BwB should be for Non-CP from lvl 10-49. There is an absolute need for a server like this.

Kartalin

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Its the ONLY campaign that has great performance.

Azura's Star works just fine. It's unusual for my ping to jump up to 100 there.

Vyle_Byte

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

They would keep it because it is a campaign for those of us who enjoy developing builds without every skill unlocked (like magicka sorcs without ward or streak

They would keep it because many of us actually enjoy training new players, with all the headaches that entails.

They would keep it because BwB really does have a special culture that differs significantly (and many would argue, positively) from the vet campaigns.

To add to this list of reasons to keep it...

Its the only server that has remained clear and free of lag and all the other bs that the other servers have. The devs know this, they have acknowledged and compared the other servers to BWB in reference of trying to figure out where they went wrong with the rest.

BWB is a special place and for those of us who have called it home for 2 years or however long, it would be a severe slap in the face to remove it. We gimp ourselves to play here. We sacrifice earning CP to play here. We sacrifice not unlocking every skill, every passive to play here. I could be wrong but I do believe it is the last remaining server that has been here since launch. To remove such a wonderful campaign would be heartbreaking.

It is a safe haven for new players, a place they can come and learn about the game from us who have the experience. If you lump them with all the players that have v16 gold gear and every skill and passive open, you do them a disservice. Its most definitely not fair to them and it isn't fair to us who have made this server our home. For a lot of us, it is the one thing in the entire game that keeps us here, keeps us logging in every day.

I also believe that if they try to merge the two, we will have a severe population problem.

ZOS, please don't do this, I am quite literally begging you. I know that threatening to leave does nothing to change the minds of those in charge but I can say that if this happens, there will be at least 4 people who have been here since early release that will no longer call this game home.

Too many people know how special this campaign is, lets rally together to make sure this doesn't happen. IDC if you are Red, Blue or Yellow, let ZOS know this unacceptable and completely unwanted. We have our own community within the community, lets stand together on this one guys.

driosketch

I certainly hope not, now that they are adding player slots, I can permanently have at least one character in there.

Vendy

There already aren't very many campaigns as it is. Losing one more will only be a negative to the population problems some campaigns have.

zyk

KenaPKK wrote: »

Honestly why would they keep it? It's the nonvet campaign, and vet ranks are being removed.

It's still a relevant concept. Pre-50 is the same as non-vet. At least at a practical level.

Stridig

I would have to agree that when it comes to BwB, many of us have made it our home. The guild I run with daily is full of pugs who have become PUGz. Many new players come to us for fun and for free. We love our community and and have much respect for the many players on ALL factions that sacrifice their time and energy to help new players. It is truly a special place.

DeadlyRecluse

Personally, I am still waiting for a link to the spot where this is said.



So I can go cancel my sub immediately.

KenaPKK

Azura's disables CP... Just play there. It's practically BwB 2.0 right now anyway. I don't see what the big deal is.

Gederic

The point they're making is just because CP is disabled doesn't mean its friendly to new players, you will still have level 50's running around with maxed out gear and fully completed skill tree lines. Level 50 is essentially the new 'vet' because you can wear all that gear, equip all those weapons, all those skills etc etc. The only way to avoid that is to have a campaign that is 1-49, the new 'non-vet' so to speak. You can't wear maxed out gear at 49, you can't have every single skill tree and skill maxed completely out at 49, you're not going to see a Grand Overlord at 49, etc. Things like that, and BwB really does have a unique community that would likely be lost with eradicating the campaign.

If I brought my v16's in, even without all of my champ points, a level 10 wouldn't have any kind of chance. I'd be in all gold gear, kena, all gold enchants, all passives and morphs, etc. Even without champ points a new player is still screwed. The only way I see that working is if the disabling of champ points also means you can't wear 'champion point 160 gear' or whatever they're calling it, and even then you still have a toon that's a completed build, and the charm of BwB is creating and experiencing a new build. That's why this campaign stays mostly fresh were as the others are proxy vicious death zergs.

Idk BwB even in the state it is now has something special going for it.

DeadlyRecluse

KenaPKK wrote: »

Azura's disables CP... Just play there. It's practically BwB 2.0 right now anyway. I don't see what the big deal is.

It really, really isn't.

Valen_Byte

KenaPKK wrote: »

Azura's disables CP... Just play there. It's practically BwB 2.0 right now anyway. I don't see what the big deal is.

You need to come play in Bwb. Not just for the night. Start a new character...lvl it to 10 and come play until you vet out. You nay never play anywhere else again. Then come post your opinion.

Reverb

I hope not, as I've said in the bwb threads. BWB was created well before CP existed, because vet pvp was not inviting or enjoyable for most lowbies or new players.

One of my favorite things about bwb is the build diversity. We start there with only a few of our class and weapon skills unlocked, and have to hone timing and rotation. It makes battle more dynamic. And I like seeing variety on my death recap. In vet pvp it's the same skills over and over. Its boring.

Of course there are always a handful of people that will grind whatever skill line is bugged or op, specifically to bring the vet meta to bwb, but they're in the minority. If we want it to stay that way, non vet and vet non-cp need to stay separate.

zyk

BWB isn't my cup of tea, but its regulars are, by far, the most satisfied PVP players in the game. If ZOS takes BWB away from them it will be akin to an act of cruelty.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler I hope this information is incorrect. This is basically the only community that enjoys your game without caveats.

ColoursYouHave

KenaPKK wrote: »

Azura's disables CP... Just play there. It's practically BwB 2.0 right now anyway. I don't see what the big deal is.

Removing BWB with DB would essentially be the same as them removing BWB right now. Its not about CP, its the fact that BWB is a campaign where people don't have endgame gear or even all their skills unlocked. Removing BWB would force all those players to play in a campaign where people have all their skills unlocked and end game gear. The fact that the two campaigns disable CP is pretty much the only thing they have in common.

Please @ZOS_GinaBruno don't let them take BWB away from us!

Poxheart

Valen_Byte wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Azura's disables CP... Just play there. It's practically BwB 2.0 right now anyway. I don't see what the big deal is.

You need to come play in Bwb. Not just for the night. Start a new character...lvl it to 10 and come play until you vet out. You nay never play anywhere else again. Then come post your opinion.

Well put.

KenaPKK

Valen_Byte wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Azura's disables CP... Just play there. It's practically BwB 2.0 right now anyway. I don't see what the big deal is.

You need to come play in Bwb. Not just for the night. Start a new character...lvl it to 10 and come play until you vet out. You nay never play anywhere else again. Then come post your opinion.

I've done that twice, on my stamblade and my sorc, and I play frequently in Azura's. BwB and Azura's are pretty much the same thing minus the lowbie guilds. Once those move to Azura's, it'll be BwB all over again.

Rylana

Valen_Byte wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Azura's disables CP... Just play there. It's practically BwB 2.0 right now anyway. I don't see what the big deal is.

You need to come play in Bwb. Not just for the night. Start a new character...lvl it to 10 and come play until you vet out. You nay never play anywhere else again. Then come post your opinion.

Did it on five toons, id still be there if i had another one to level up, but mehhhh all my lowbies are vets now

zyk

KenaPKK wrote: »

Valen_Byte wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Azura's disables CP... Just play there. It's practically BwB 2.0 right now anyway. I don't see what the big deal is.

You need to come play in Bwb. Not just for the night. Start a new character...lvl it to 10 and come play until you vet out. You nay never play anywhere else again. Then come post your opinion.

I've done that twice, on my stamblade and my sorc, and I play frequently in Azura's. BwB and Azura's are pretty much the same thing minus the lowbie guilds. Once those move to Azura's, it'll be BwB all over again.

If the population of BWB was transferred to AS, they would be greeted by guilds and dozens of small group players from all factions who would move there to farm them.

It was pretty clear while IC was full of PVE players that some of the best players in the game will go out of their way to seek out the easiest opponents.

Mauz

Hm, in Azura its for me most time pop locked and BwB three bars. I just image the length of the waiting queue if bwb would be removed and all newbies go Azura.

Would really be really dumb if ZoS would kill the server with the most satisfied pvp players and additionally annoy ppl of the server with the second best satisfaction by bringing them endless waiting times without reason. But that would not be the first dumb decision from ZoS.

Bofrari

Mauz wrote: »

Hm, in Azura its for me most time pop locked and BwB three bars. I just image the length of the waiting queue if bwb would be removed and all newbies go Azura.

Would really be really dumb if ZoS would kill the server with the most satisfied pvp players and additionally annoy ppl of the server with the second best satisfaction by bringing them endless waiting times without reason. But that would not be the first dumb decision from ZoS.

They probably will shorten the duration of the servers uptime to maybe 6 seconds a week sounds perfectly logical from their perspective.

DisgracefulMind

I would be absolutely heart-broken if they removed BwB. Please don't do it ZoS. ):

W0lf_z13

I really hope they do NOT remove BwB ... from my personal experience, players in BwB are a lot more vocal in z-chat....I play both in BwB as well as Azura.... If they were to remove either one of them that means that the entire pop of each faction would either move to the other campaign (or a different one) creating higher pop and worse lag for that campaign.... Would be best to keep BwB as a 1-49 non cp and azura to be non cp 1-50....
Also... to add... quite a few of us players have enjoyed BwB so much as to put it in our names... I know that once we vet out we can no longer go into that campaign, but its in homage of the campaign that we dawn the name "of Blackwater"

DeadlyRecluse

zyk wrote: »

BWB isn't my cup of tea, but its regulars are, by far, the most satisfied PVP players in the game. If ZOS takes BWB away from them it will be akin to an act of cruelty.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler I hope this information is incorrect. This is basically the only community that enjoys your game without caveats.

This is very, very, true.
Not that there aren't issues or imbalance in BwB, too, but you have much less rage, much less irritation, etc.
Fewer people running straight cheese. Nobody stacks multiple raids in one place. Much less intentional abuse of broken things.


Those of use who play down there are almost completely happy with ESO PvP. I don't think any other campaign can say that.