Your thoughts on the Alliance War Community to date?

Minno

Other (specify, but it must relate to conduct and not tactics)

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

FerrumnCutem wrote: »

Just started EP pvp, and man, do we feck up.
NOONE TALKS just a bunch of lvl 10s screaming and lfg. And the actual strong players are always soloing. In teams with around 30 players we still get destroyed by a group of 5 dc or ad, they just pick us apart. And everyone in PC moves like a mindless hurt, falling for the same trick over and over and over......
Today a group of 23 EP kept running towards arrius keep and kept getting ganked from the back again and again. And they just kept trying like 10 times, dying everytime. Really sad. No talking or answering questions either, just lfg and silence.

The one you seek is the ENIGMATIC WARRIOR known as Kortha. He will unite the red tribes and together you and he will march across the lands of Tamriel satiating the terraferma's thirst for blood.... Until you finally come through the tree line all jolly and meet THE COVENANT army. Then you will no longer be jolly.

Krotha and jelly in the same paragraph, He-He.

Terra Firma also equates to the moving of Venetians to mainland Italy because they can no longer afford to live in the city their families lived in for a long time.

Valen_Byte

Other (specify, but it must relate to conduct and not tactics)

Faction hopping is my biggest irritation at the moment.

zyk

There's good and bad to this community. I think it's shaped by the severe issues that plague AvA in ESO. I think that if the game didn't have so many problems and was differently managed, we'd have very different social dynamics.

Pros
- relatively nice, easy going and inclusive
- interesting people

Cons
- poor competitive culture; poor rivalries
- quite a bit of cronyism and collusion among opposing players
- too much tolerance of exploiting

I don't mean any of the cons to be biting. I blame ZOS for:

- Allowing a culture tolerant of exploiting to develop because it does not punish cheaters and is slow to fix bugs.
- The broken rules of the Alliance War that do not incentivize the best players to face each other and thus create rivalries. (I love PVP rivalries)
- Severe performance issues that drove most of the community away.

Basically, to still be playing ESO PVP, one must be a tolerant and patient person who can laugh most things off -- or be a masochist/otherwise insane.

LazyLewis

Other (specify, but it must relate to conduct and not tactics)

Lack of competiveness kills me. Big Ernie group do very well and VE against those ridiculous numbers. K Hole and Ernie group fighting hordes of AD in Haderus with anything from 8 to 16 man groups.

When I say lack of competiveness here is an example. Today I was with two friends at Roe. We kill maybe 7 AD on resources then they back off to the keep. We had 1 pug with us. 6-7 just stayed in the keep. 3 were snipers two were siegers and the rest just general range builds. 5-6 AD kept coming out the keep to fight us and the rest just stayed there for over 30 minutes while all 4 us killed everyone over and over. Out numbered 3 to 1 and people sit back and siege.....it's pathetic. Makes me Cry. Shout out to the amazing sorcerer who kept fighting

Rylana

Other (specify, but it must relate to conduct and not tactics)

There are quite a few obnoxious snobs among the "elite" ranks that really are just a ***, are barely talented past mediocre, and carry themselves like they are the epitome of "gud" in the game. Its frankly toxic and it leads to very poor inter guild relations. Tags are tags, titles are titles, honest to god most of them arent even as good as they and their peers tell them they are, but dont challenge them or they will send you paragraphs of reasons why you suck at the game, are their personal AP farm, and just general douchebaggery. Classic high school cliq drama mostly.

There are way too many egos in general. Getting people in a faction to work together is an uphill battle at all times. Everyone wants to be the boss, but they never want to listen. Their idea is always better, stamp feet they will have their way come hell or high water. SKAROLLLLL, forget the fact we are one keep from emp or one keep from deposition, the scarolllllll way out of the way is always more important to them. As soon as they are given responsibility "alright, dont wanna do what I say, you lead" they quit and get all gripey about it being a game. Just shut up and listen then, egotard.

Excuses, always an excuse. Oh I have to go feed the dog, oh I have to do this, oh I just am not feeling it, oh the lag is bad (ping 60), etc etc etc. This goes beyond just playing flat out, excuses for dying are hilarious. The guy who stands blatantly in siege and dies to that "goddamned sniper that got me from the wall". Dude there was no sniper, you stood in siege circles like an idiot. Kthx. I think the only thing worse is the obvious leech that begs to get into group, and promptly afks in stealth somewhere nearby so they get AP but do no work for it. There are a lot more of them than are healthy.

Emp trading, hamstringing others in the alliance by intentional no cooperation on an emp push, ignoring the map to AP farm cause "we are too good to help the pugs", and a whole plethora of other accepted bad habits has permeated the culture of the PvP community for a very long time. You are either an insider or you are a pug. Or you are me, bucking the status quo, getting massive shunning for it, but still working against the grain and making something work despite.

Its tiring, and the community needs to change. Oh and so called "elites" stop scalping the people I train up in my guild for yours, go make your own. Biggest irritant right here, they would never be caught dead teaching a noob the ropes, but hot damn the moment I do, and they start to shine out there, some other EP elitist guild swoops down on them and tries to pull them away. *** off.

And the last afterthought - crybabies that want to sit on trueflame and outnumber their opponents but gave up the good fight on haderus cause it got too hard for them.

croakroach

Other (specify, but it must relate to conduct and not tactics)

While I see a lot of good in the community in general, there are a few things which irritate me a bit:

1. Most good players don't lead? (Why not?)
2. Expectation from some that Cyrodiil was built for solo play and every change should make solo play better.
3. Some players care only of themselves and their ego as if they are gods gift to ESO (typically using words like: scrub, pug, meta, etc.). When they lose, the enemy was cheating, exploiting, etc.
4. Bitter Vet Syndrome: "back in my day ESO was awesome", insert random AOE Cap complaint, lighting patch, etc. Games change; adapt or die.
5. Group think style obsession to perform acts which grant little to no rewards. I.e. entire mobs running after a group from a resource gaining 1-2 AP per kill instead of a nice 2,000 - 3,000 AP d-tick.
6. Rampant use of flavor of the month, solo play builds in a group setting which do not compliment group PvP.
7. Dissing of groups who are actually good at the game instead of just saying "Good Fight."
8. Too many guild groups and not enough coalitions running or even simple communication between people in the campaign.
9. Too much campaign switching because "it's easier in _INSERT CAMPAIGN NAME HERE_."

Nifty2g

So many cheaters... Just, so many...

had to pick it
elder exploiters online

Dracan_Fontom

Too much teabagging going on.

For the most part, the community is great aside from the few who are complete jerks. But I think my biggest Pet peev Is all the teabaging going around. Especially when it's from players who need a zerg to kill one person. I really hate this and wish there could be a set that auto kills teabaggers, jk.

Soris

2 or more of the above problems

I may sound like an old man in every thread about pvp but honestly old days were much better. Community, mechanics etc everything were miles better.

ToRelax

2 or more of the above problems

croakroach wrote: »

While I see a lot of good in the community in general, there are a few things which irritate me a bit:

1. Most good players don't lead? (Why not?)
2. Expectation from some that Cyrodiil was built for solo play and every change should make solo play better.
3. Some players care only of themselves and their ego as if they are gods gift to ESO (typically using words like: scrub, pug, meta, etc.). When they lose, the enemy was cheating, exploiting, etc.
4. Bitter Vet Syndrome: "back in my day ESO was awesome", insert random AOE Cap complaint, lighting patch, etc. Games change; adapt or die.
5. Group think style obsession to perform acts which grant little to no rewards. I.e. entire mobs running after a group from a resource gaining 1-2 AP per kill instead of a nice 2,000 - 3,000 AP d-tick.
6. Rampant use of flavor of the month, solo play builds in a group setting which do not compliment group PvP.
7. Dissing of groups who are actually good at the game instead of just saying "Good Fight."
8. Too many guild groups and not enough coalitions running or even simple communication between people in the campaign.
9. Too much campaign switching because "it's easier in _INSERT CAMPAIGN NAME HERE_."

So reading between the lines, you think your own playstyle is superior to that of others and wonder why they don't like it too.

Father_X_Zombie

2 or more of the above problems

Too many "good" players with big egos that hate losing so much they Zerg to do everything, then Tbag you.

I had an AD nb gank me off my horse but I killed him, he sent me a message calling me trash and the only reason i won was his weapon needed charged. So I said I'd send him a soul gem if he wanted to try again but he said "I don't duel trash lmafo"

Some people just take PvP to heart

RebornV3x

2 or more of the above problems

Ill take My faction can't get it together! and it seems like everyone wants to chill with each other. How many times in the last week have I come across people in different alliances just standing next to each other or pretending to fight each other till me and my group arrive I thought this was PVP not Skype. The PVP community on console is complete garbage especially on the EP side. Other than the small time ganking Ive been doing and seeing how paranoid people get when they know they could be killed at any moment just riding along by themselves is quite funny.

Nafirian

KenaPKK wrote: »

Compared to other games, this game's community is spectacular. It is more mature and chill and approachable than that some other social game I've played.

*cough* I'm looking at you, League of Legends.

I can count on one hand the number of actual d*cks I've envountered in PvP. Most of the trash talk that you see sensitive kids complaining about is done by people who are actually really cool if you relax and talk back and make humor of the situation. Same with tbagging. A good tbag is a wonderful thing. I have made friends with a lot of the notorious "trolls" and d-bags of the community by just not taking offense, trading some good trash talk banter, laughing with them, and tbagging them hard at my next opportunity. It's all good times. Haha

I LOVE this game's community. Seriously, go play League for a while. You'll come clammoring back in no time.

Played dota for 2 years im practically russian right now

frozywozy

2 or more of the above problems

Too much t-bagging, jerks, kids. No maturity, no manner, no team spirit, no respectful competition.

Xexpo

The OP sounds like he was 'teabagged' by a 'cheating' 'jerk' , and blames it on his own 'faction'.

Nice poll tho ... quite the variety of options to chose from:
-sarcastic positive
-salt
-salt
-salt
-salt
-saltx2
-other (but it must relate to salt or salt)

HoloYoitsu

Other (specify, but it must relate to conduct and not tactics)

Not enough teabagging.

Brrrofski

Other (specify, but it must relate to conduct and not tactics)

I dislike the fact you can have opposite factions characters in the same campaign. Seen plenty swapping over to the winning team.

My biggest gripe is people who play one class, and cry for buffs to their class or nerf to others without understanding the other classes properly.

mchermie

My faction can't get it together! (Miscommunication)

Brrrofski wrote: »

I dislike the fact you can have opposite factions characters in the same campaign. Seen plenty swapping over to the winning team.

What about those who swapped over to the losing team?

martinhpb16_ESO

No problems here! PvP Community is awesome!

I play o DC EU.

I've had some great fights and 1v1 and some good chats with the enemy. On the whole the community has been pretty good.

A few tbaggers and ragers along the way but i just laught that off.

Apart from one AD sorc who was a total scumbag its been great.

And I don't hear anything nasty in zone chat either.

but then you usually get what you dish out..........

Azor_Ahaii

Too many jerks out there.

Azura EU made me hate AD, I can't even log in to my AD toon anymore because of my hate towards it. Seriously you AD gypsy scumbags, stop trying to kill Azura with your 80 man zergs against 2/3 defenders.

FatKidHatchets

Other (specify, but it must relate to conduct and not tactics)

Games dead, wish it wasn't, but almost all the good players don't play anymore, alot have even deleted the game. Dueling was the games only hope but they never released it in an official format. Instead they gave us crap cake and thieves guild and act like they even took time with it. So sad this game had such potential.

I am guessing 2 more campaigns will be removed in this next dlc.

MichYodias

Other (specify, but it must relate to conduct and not tactics)

Brrrofski wrote: »

I dislike the fact you can have opposite factions characters in the same campaign. Seen plenty swapping over to the winning team.
.

Dude when I get out of work and log on TF its locked red and night capped. I play my AD sorc til it gets competitive, and i dont even like playing sorc. Sorry dude zergin down a resource with 30 ep just isnt fun. I don't see why that bothers so many people.

tonemd

strikeback1247 wrote: »

To me the PvP community is only annoying on these forums

Then you're not in DC zone chat on PC/NA.

Armitas

No problems here! PvP Community is awesome!

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

With Dark Lord Sarenvog defeated, Unruh vaporized, Krotha confused in life, there simply isn't a central villain for me to go after at this moment. Haxus and Hektik? Old news.

I simply cannot entertain the forums with great content unless there is another entity bringing out the best in THE COVENANT.

Bacon > Yogurt.

Publius_Scipio

Other (specify, but it must relate to conduct and not tactics)

Armitas wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

With Dark Lord Sarenvog defeated, Unruh vaporized, Krotha confused in life, there simply isn't a central villain for me to go after at this moment. Haxus and Hektik? Old news.

I simply cannot entertain the forums with great content unless there is another entity bringing out the best in THE COVENANT.

Bacon > Yogurt.

https://youtu.be/I8fijND1O4w

KenaPKK

No problems here! PvP Community is awesome!

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

There are lots of great people but there are a few that think they are PvP gods or that they invented every build and strategy in the game.

There is also too much "secret information" that the top guilds hold to themselves to get an advantage over other players. It's somewhat the nature of this game since most skills don't work the tooltip says they work and the way most people think they work, but I think its time for all of us in the know to post a big list of PvP dirty tricks to level the playing field. I don't use most of them but I am sick of people thinking they are good because they do.

Uh like what?

Nafirian wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Compared to other games, this game's community is spectacular. It is more mature and chill and approachable than that some other social game I've played.

*cough* I'm looking at you, League of Legends.

I can count on one hand the number of actual d*cks I've envountered in PvP. Most of the trash talk that you see sensitive kids complaining about is done by people who are actually really cool if you relax and talk back and make humor of the situation. Same with tbagging. A good tbag is a wonderful thing. I have made friends with a lot of the notorious "trolls" and d-bags of the community by just not taking offense, trading some good trash talk banter, laughing with them, and tbagging them hard at my next opportunity. It's all good times. Haha

I LOVE this game's community. Seriously, go play League for a while. You'll come clammoring back in no time.

Played dota for 2 years im practically russian right now

LOL I can imagine.

Septimus_Magna

Other (specify, but it must relate to conduct and not tactics)

The pvp community is great, there is some fierce rivalry but that only makes the fights more interesting. The thing I miss the most is fighting vs roughly the same amount of enemies. Especially with the static ult regen numbers keep getting more important, I wish skill and tactics would get more important.

P.S. I just love it when people call annimation cancelling cheating.

If only everyone had access to this annimation cancel cheat, pvp would be so much better haha.

kevlarto_ESO

2 or more of the above problems

Cheaters and the lack of action by ZOS, having all your factions homed in the same campaign worst idea ever, leads to no faction pride, contributes to the population imbalance, many many problems. Whiners that send you hate tells when you kill them, get over it and move on kind of thing. But in the end it is what it is, still have fun most of the time.

rfennell_ESO

So many cheaters... Just, so many...

Rylana wrote: »

There are quite a few obnoxious snobs among the "elite" ranks that really are just a ***, are barely talented past mediocre, and carry themselves like they are the epitome of "gud" in the game. Its frankly toxic and it leads to very poor inter guild relations. Tags are tags, titles are titles, honest to god most of them arent even as good as they and their peers tell them they are, but dont challenge them or they will send you paragraphs of reasons why you suck at the game, are their personal AP farm, and just general douchebaggery. Classic high school cliq drama mostly.

There are way too many egos in general. Getting people in a faction to work together is an uphill battle at all times. Everyone wants to be the boss, but they never want to listen. Their idea is always better, stamp feet they will have their way come hell or high water. SKAROLLLLL, forget the fact we are one keep from emp or one keep from deposition, the scarolllllll way out of the way is always more important to them. As soon as they are given responsibility "alright, dont wanna do what I say, you lead" they quit and get all gripey about it being a game. Just shut up and listen then, egotard.

Excuses, always an excuse. Oh I have to go feed the dog, oh I have to do this, oh I just am not feeling it, oh the lag is bad (ping 60), etc etc etc. This goes beyond just playing flat out, excuses for dying are hilarious. The guy who stands blatantly in siege and dies to that "goddamned sniper that got me from the wall". Dude there was no sniper, you stood in siege circles like an idiot. Kthx. I think the only thing worse is the obvious leech that begs to get into group, and promptly afks in stealth somewhere nearby so they get AP but do no work for it. There are a lot more of them than are healthy.

Emp trading, hamstringing others in the alliance by intentional no cooperation on an emp push, ignoring the map to AP farm cause "we are too good to help the pugs", and a whole plethora of other accepted bad habits has permeated the culture of the PvP community for a very long time. You are either an insider or you are a pug. Or you are me, bucking the status quo, getting massive shunning for it, but still working against the grain and making something work despite.

Its tiring, and the community needs to change. Oh and so called "elites" stop scalping the people I train up in my guild for yours, go make your own. Biggest irritant right here, they would never be caught dead teaching a noob the ropes, but hot damn the moment I do, and they start to shine out there, some other EP elitist guild swoops down on them and tries to pull them away. *** off.

And the last afterthought - crybabies that want to sit on trueflame and outnumber their opponents but gave up the good fight on haderus cause it got too hard for them.

You're like a parakeet attacking his own reflection.

Lord-Stien

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

With Dark Lord Sarenvog defeated, Unruh vaporized, Krotha confused in life, there simply isn't a central villain for me to go after at this moment. Haxus and Hektik? Old news.

I simply cannot entertain the forums with great content unless there is another entity bringing out the best in THE COVENANT.

I think we need a new Villain aswell....


Shall i Dawn the Litch Crown and unleash hell ?