Can NB get a Physical, Poison, or Disease version of Power Extraction?

Wuuffyy

All I want is one non terrible stam aoe as a nightblade that doesn't get me killed and possibly applies a useful yet non game breaking buff such as minor, major expedition or minor or major healing debuff ALONGSIDE the major brutality. I've always wanted to use this skill for theory crafting builds but unlike its counterpart morph, it deals an illlogical damage type and applies no useful secondary utility to differentiate itself from a weapon ability.

Metafae

I was just thinking this same thing earlier today when I popped on my stamblade and saw the skill.

I assumed it was one of the skills that got fixed on the PTS, guess not. In its current form it is completely out of balance to the other morph. Sap Essence being magic damage, heals the user and allies based off how many targets hit, and provides major sorcery and brutality.
Compare that to a stam morph with just major brutality, and causing magic damage. It feels wrong.
Should be Physical damage as disease wouldn't make much sense for the skill line its in.
I'm not going to speculate about what the other effects should be, but I do think Major Brutality isn't enough.

Brrrofski

Stam NBs honestly want the world.

Next patch they'll be top dog in Cyrodiil again. Still not enough.

DDuke

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stam NBs honestly want the world.

Next patch they'll be top dog in Cyrodiil again. Still not enough.

No one is asking for buffs to the strong skills NBs use atm.

What good does it do to have a skill in NB toolkit that no one picks because it sucks?


If people were asking for buffs to Surprise Attack (OK, this one could do with some PvE buffs to make it compare better with the superior Rapid Strikes) or Ambush, I'd agree with what you stated.

Wuuffyy

Ha! I suppose if the world were making the change for all stamina moves to follow suit on all accounts and add a more useful effect to mimic sap essence, then yea, that.

Jim_Pipp

Bump - The magicka version (sap essence) is nearly a perfect ability for a magicka player, stamina players need a better morph.

As well as being changed so it does poison/disease/ physical damage...

... consider adding the new life-steal effect that was added to blood alter. It would keep it very different from the magicka version, but it would give DPS stamblades another small source of healing.

susmitds

Check this out!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/263525/power-extraction-needs-to-be-modified-to-become-a-valid-choice-for-aoe#latest

kadar

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stam NBs honestly want the world.

Next patch they'll be top dog in Cyrodiil again. Still not enough.

Mmm. Stamina NBs are the only ones that want to see their class perform well.

Sugaroverdose

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stam NBs honestly want the world.

Next patch they'll be top dog in Cyrodiil again. Still not enough.

Can't say that this ability switched to poison will somehow make stamblades more powerful, but disease may make them best class for massive healing debuff.

Wuuffyy

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stam NBs honestly want the world.

Next patch they'll be top dog in Cyrodiil again. Still not enough.

“Mmm. Stamina NBs are the only ones that want to see their class perform well."

Not sure how this is productive to the topic. Besides that, most everyone asks for changes due to balancing issues. Just keep the conversation constructive by backing up statements w/ facts please.

Bfish22090

yea the sorcs need one as well, at least NBs have 10 other stamina skills to use

Wuuffyy

Bfish22090 wrote: »

yea the sorcs need one as well, at least NBs have 10 other stamina skills to use

We have four. Surprise attack, killers blade, power extract (still magic), ambush, and one easily dodged/shielded/blocked ultimate (great for ganking, just one w/burst won't be a killer on a suspecting player).Edit: Forgot about ambush somehow

Sugaroverdose

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

yea the sorcs need one as well, at least NBs have 10 other stamina skills to use

We have three. Surprise attack, killers blade, power extract (still magic), and one easily dodged/shielded/blocked ultimate (great for ganking, just one w/burst won't be a killer on a suspecting player).

Ambush?

Morridune

this is a reasonable ask considering the other stam skills that did magic damage got changed I also thought it was odd that this skill got skipped and currently it means there is no real damage skill in the siphoning skill line *edit* for the stam user's

Strider_Roshin

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stam NBs honestly want the world.

Next patch they'll be top dog in Cyrodiil again. Still not enough.

Next thing you know they'll be asking to be as OP as magicka sorcs. We can't let it happen!

Brrrofski

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stam NBs honestly want the world.

Next patch they'll be top dog in Cyrodiil again. Still not enough.

Next thing you know they'll be asking to be as OP as magicka sorcs. We can't let it happen!

Next patch they will be the strongest class by far. Sorcs who are already good now will be better. Bad sorcs will be worse though.

It just annoys me that zos are buffing stamblades (physical ult abd their execute being changed damage type) while leaving other classes behind. Stam sorcs got nothing useful, DKs got their dots buffed but still no instant damage skill. Stamplars will be I NA very good place.

I have vet 16 in everything except magica Dk, so it's not bias on my part as I will get the buffs too. I just think stam NBs are very strong already. Next patch they're going to have instance burst that anybody who isn't in full impen and with over 20k health won't be able to deal with.

They have very good survivability too. Cloak, shuffle, dodge roll, rally, vigor and now been shield (although I can't see anybody really using it) gives a lot of staying alive power.

Changing power extraction to physical or poison wouldn't be bad as it will gives more options for pve. If you go with some suggestions of adding expedition or defile it'll be too much I think.

Van_0S

Yes! OP!

Power extraction should be like sap essence but a stamina version that does disease damage and also heals caster and allies!

So, no more 2h weapons!

Wuuffyy

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

Yes! OP!

Power extraction should be like sap essence but a stamina version that does disease damage and also heals caster and allies!

So, no more 2h weapons!

Not quite. That defeats the morph option. It should deal physical or poison -> disease only if healing debuff is added. It shouldn't be the exact same however, it needs distinguishing characteristics.

Wuuffyy

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Bfish22090 wrote: »

yea the sorcs need one as well, at least NBs have 10 other stamina skills to use

We have three. Surprise attack, killers blade, power extract (still magic), and one easily dodged/shielded/blocked ultimate (great for ganking, just one w/burst won't be a killer on a suspecting player).

Ambush?

Yea, four, really though three. Stam sorcs get two.