puncturing sweeps

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sirrmattus
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is this skill considered a dot?
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  • FerrumnCutem
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    Yes, just like the other morp (biting jabs)
  • sirrmattus
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    intersting. i wonder what it be like to take my 50points from elfborn and put them into thamaturge
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  • blabafat
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    sirrmattus wrote: »
    intersting. i wonder what it be like to take my 50points from elfborn and put them into thamaturge

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  • FerrumnCutem
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    Since the TG patch loads of templars (mostly stamina ones) have been putting points in thaumaturge for the extra dot dmg on jabs and sweeps.
  • UltimaJoe777
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    If it channels in any way, it's a DoT.
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  • sirrmattus
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    especially if ur running valkyn
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  • sirrmattus
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    If it channels in any way, it's a DoT.

    theyre changing that tho right? jesus beam wont count
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  • sirrmattus
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    @blabafat

    so what you think would get more dmg overall? 100 elemental and rest in tham or 100 element and rest in elfborn
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    sirrmattus wrote: »

    theyre changing that tho right? jesus beam wont count

    Don't know honestly. Patch notes mention fixing it so Thaumaturge doesn't strengthen them but I cannot say for sure if they stop counting as DoT or not. If someone manages to find something that says otherwise feel free to relay it.
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  • Oh_Skrivva
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    I use 71 elemental 71 thaumathurge and 15 elf born (I think) 10 spell erosion (I think lol)
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  • Oh_Skrivva
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    Jesus beam seems more like a dot then sweeps would. Makes no sense to not let beam apply to thaumathurge as well.
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    sirrmattus wrote: »
    @blabafat

    so what you think would get more dmg overall? 100 elemental and rest in tham or 100 element and rest in elfborn

    @Asayre did some pretty good spreadsheets on the matter.

    Basically it depends on how high your crit is, how often you use dots and channels. Generally though 100 in elemental affects all your damage from all your skills so it is the best first option. Whether you want elfborn or thaumaturge is dependent on crit chance/damage and the distribution of skill types.



  • Lexxypwns
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    73 73 Ele/thaum is optimal for templar damage iirc

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  • KingWhyteboi
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    curious as well on temp i know on nb i dont run 100 into elemental
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  • sirrmattus
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    danno8 wrote: »

    @Asayre did some pretty good spreadsheets on the matter.

    Basically it depends on how high your crit is, how often you use dots and channels. Generally though 100 in elemental affects all your damage from all your skills so it is the best first option. Whether you want elfborn or thaumaturge is dependent on crit chance/damage and the distribution of skill types.



    I recently switch to valkyn skoria, using wall of elements, reflective light, entropy and sweeps. I notice my dps has gone up significantly. This is with 100 ele/50 elf/10 spell erosion. I was thinking tho if I switched the 50elf to tham if my dps would increase even more.
    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    73 73 Ele/thaum is optimal for templar damage iirc

    @Nifty2g bring us your knowledges

    this sounds like it would work very well for my templar with valkyn. I use the rearming trap as well so that i can get the extra crit dmg.
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    73 73 Ele/thaum is optimal for templar damage iirc

    @Nifty2g bring us your knowledges
    yes 73/73 is what you wanna do
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    yes 73/73 is what you wanna do

    dam. i just redid my cp last night. :disappointed:
    guess i redo it again
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    sirrmattus wrote: »

    dam. i just redid my cp last night. :disappointed:
    guess i redo it again

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/245719/ideal-mage-cp-distribution-for-stamina-and-magicka-builds/p1

    Here's the link to Asayre's thread, with the links to the spreadsheets.

    In the spreadsheets you can change the crit damage chance and modifier, DoT ratio (the amount of time you are using a dot/channel skill in your rotation) and the spreadsheet will give you a CP distribution output. It also takes into account "jump points" in the CP starts which are additional points that don't make much (or any) difference in DPS until you move past them.
  • Ra'Shtar
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    sirrmattus wrote: »

    I recently switch to valkyn skoria, using wall of elements, reflective light, entropy and sweeps. I notice my dps has gone up significantly. This is with 100 ele/50 elf/10 spell erosion. I was thinking tho if I switched the 50elf to tham if my dps would increase even more.

    this sounds like it would work very well for my templar with valkyn. I use the rearming trap as well so that i can get the extra crit dmg.

    I thought Valkyn Skoria was bugged and could only proc from 1 dot at a time basically ignoring that you have 6 dots on the target.
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  • failkiwib16_ESO
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    I use sweeps to regain health, or in case I don't trust the healer, otherwise other skills so I don't divide my cp with Thaumaturge.
    ...considering the healers I meet, I should x_x I use it more and more..
    Edited by failkiwib16_ESO on May 3, 2016 12:41PM
  • sirrmattus
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    Ra'Shtar wrote: »

    I thought Valkyn Skoria was bugged and could only proc from 1 dot at a time basically ignoring that you have 6 dots on the target.

    im not sure about that. but ive heard it was fixed. all i know is my meteors fall from the sky very often
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    I use sweeps to regain health, or in case I don't trust the healer, otherwise other skills so I don't divide my cp with Thaumaturge.
    ...considering the healers I meet, I should x_x I use it more and more..

    what other skills? as a templar? dark flare?
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  • failkiwib16_ESO
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    @sirrmattus yes :3
    I sometimes switch Blazing Spears out for Vampires Bane as a dot on bosses too, and use Magicka Detonation if possible, but often for the sake of the tank I keep Blazing Spears, and to avoid lag I remove Magicka Detonation.

    Pvp is another matter, I sometimes go in with bow and crappy Undaunted lightarmor set that buffs stamina :p I often don't join groups, so me being utter poop build&gear don't make much of a difference and people don't complain. I like getting drunk and "play as I want" in pvp.
  • Oh_Skrivva
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    With valkyn. I think it just counts any dot tick. More dots ticking more chance for proc. I think the bug you may be talking about is the one some people have said that it doesn't proc of first tick ever. So you have to wait a dew ticks before first meteor to drop. Either way I still love it. Meteors are dropping like the fps when loading into ranwkhal :p
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  • Mojmir
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    valkyn is working fine for me
  • DurzoBlint13
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    I main a magica temp and most of our attack skills are DoTs- sweeps, Vamp Bane, Rad Opp, Dark Flare...even proxy det, and my favorite Ulti- Soul Assault. The only DD skill I slot that is not a DoT is Toppling Charge. Thermaturge is a great CP dump after you max Elem Exp. I honestly do not know if Therm effects Hots as well but I do not see why it would not. The game treats DoT and HoT the same 99% of the time so it should make your HoTs more effective
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    I main a magica temp and most of our attack skills are DoTs- sweeps, Vamp Bane, Rad Opp, Dark Flare...even proxy det, and my favorite Ulti- Soul Assault. The only DD skill I slot that is not a DoT is Toppling Charge. Thermaturge is a great CP dump after you max Elem Exp. I honestly do not know if Therm effects Hots as well but I do not see why it would not. The game treats DoT and HoT the same 99% of the time so it should make your HoTs more effective

    Dark flare is not effected by thaumaturge and doesn't procc valkyn skoria. Thaumaturge also doesn't increase your HoTs.
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  • Oh_Skrivva
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    What @Destruent said, I can see why one would think so though cause zos logic sometimes on what is dot or what procs Skoria is very confusing to say the least. Cause proxy det as well as Daedric curse counts as dot you would assume anything damage ability that has a cast time duration would also. Cause by that logic crystal frags would also be a dot. By the way are you a tank in pve? Only possible reason to have a charge ability on bar. But I think that can replaced by a much more useful tanking ability. Or do you use charge in pvp? Not saying what you run is wrong. Do what works for you. I'm just curious that's all. I run 4 dots normally on my Templar, but that's because I'm a healer that does dps as well and valkyn still drops a few times during a 30-40ish second boss fight and pulls around 20-35k dps depending on how many BoL heals I have to use during fight.
    Edited by Oh_Skrivva on May 4, 2016 1:06PM
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  • GeertKarel
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    sirrmattus wrote: »
    intersting. i wonder what it be like to take my 50points from elfborn and put them into thamaturge

    elfborn isn't good elemental and thaumatruge is the best maybe have 10pts in crit if you dd (based on max cp)
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  • DurzoBlint13
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    Destruent wrote: »

    Dark flare is not effected by thaumaturge and doesn't procc valkyn skoria. Thaumaturge also doesn't increase your HoTs.

    thanks for clarifying. I thought it would but have never tested it
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