A Video Plea to ZOS [Sad Times]

Jules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvcBlpXkF2U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

olsborg

I dont think its lack of trying that keeps the game in this state, its the lack of abilitity to fix it

ishilb14_ESO

If ZOS shifted movement calculations back to client-side then a decent amount of lag would disappear and it wouldn't make people crash. Easy way to deal with speed-hackers/bots and other exploiters is just permaban them.

Also, Haxus needs to stop zerging, that's probably causing half the lag. Like just look at how many haxus members are in one keep there.

Edited to remove masked profanity

Elong

ishilb14_ESO wrote: »

If ZOS shifted movement calculations back to client-side then a decent amount of lag would disappear and it wouldn't make people crash. Easy way to deal with speed-hackers/bots and other exploiters is just permaban them.

Also, Haxus needs to stop zerging, that's probably causing half the lag. Like just look at how many haxus members are in one keep there.

I counted 102 earlier.

Edited to remove masked profanity

Rylana

Some of those very same DC came over to haderus and just started wiping that map out too. Good times.

Lyar09

HALPPPPPP us

imredneckson

Jules wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvcBlpXkF2U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

When there's enough issues for a 7 minute long video you know its bad.

Elong

And yet we all keep playing this game for hours every day. How pathetic are we? Abusive relationship material.

Satiar

Jules you cut the video right before I got there! Why you do dis!? That was my drunk raid glory moment where i stop the lag

Anyways. I was surprised BRK escalated to that point. I took every single EP keep and scroll on the map and the faction still refused to leave. I remember when I was on red the zone used to get so upset at IR and Havoc for defending last emp keeps while the map burned. At some point i guess that turned around.

Nafirian

We can all hope, but as feng said ZOS wont fix it as they dont care as it wont make them money yes alot of pvp players would come back but alot have already gone to BDO and are invested in it or are doing what im doing waiting for CU.

Khamira

Nafirian wrote: »

We can all hope, but as feng said ZOS wont fix it as they dont care as it wont make them money

Really?

REALLY?!

OMG XDD

Really, I'm the only person here with kinda-programming knowledge that knows that "fixing the lag" is not as easy as it seems?

You know how exponentiation works? That's a simple example, take number of people on the map and do the math how many data PER SECOND is transfered between everything.

That's a simple example/metaphor of course, but adding ONE person doing things, based on actual number of people on map doing things, can add from 2 (1 person + 1 new) to 81 (40 people + 1 new) signals PER SECOND.

If someone anywhere says that I don't care about XYZ because I can't reduce the result of the equation 80 * 80 from 6400 to 10 I'll say...

...some really nasty thing about his mother and his dog, cause he's so stoopid >_<

Elong

Khamira wrote: »

Nafirian wrote: »

We can all hope, but as feng said ZOS wont fix it as they dont care as it wont make them money

Really?

REALLY?!

OMG XDD

Really, I'm the only person here with kinda-programming knowledge that knows that "fixing the lag" is not as easy as it seems?

You know how exponentiation works? That's a simple example, take number of people on the map and do the math how many data PER SECOND is transfered between everything.

That's a simple example/metaphor of course, but adding ONE person doing things, based on actual number of people on map doing things, can add from 2 (1 person + 1 new) to 81 (40 people + 1 new) signals PER SECOND.

If someone anywhere says that I don't care about XYZ because I can't reduce the result of the equation 80 * 80 from 6400 to 10 I'll say...

...some really nasty thing about his mother and his dog, cause he's so stoopid >_<

This game worked without lag a year ago.

Nafirian

Elong wrote: »

Khamira wrote: »

Nafirian wrote: »

We can all hope, but as feng said ZOS wont fix it as they dont care as it wont make them money

Really?

REALLY?!

OMG XDD

Really, I'm the only person here with kinda-programming knowledge that knows that "fixing the lag" is not as easy as it seems?

You know how exponentiation works? That's a simple example, take number of people on the map and do the math how many data PER SECOND is transfered between everything.

That's a simple example/metaphor of course, but adding ONE person doing things, based on actual number of people on map doing things, can add from 2 (1 person + 1 new) to 81 (40 people + 1 new) signals PER SECOND.

If someone anywhere says that I don't care about XYZ because I can't reduce the result of the equation 80 * 80 from 6400 to 10 I'll say...

...some really nasty thing about his mother and his dog, cause he's so stoopid >_<

This game worked without lag a year ago.

^ Basically this

Erondil

Elong wrote: »

Khamira wrote: »

Nafirian wrote: »

We can all hope, but as feng said ZOS wont fix it as they dont care as it wont make them money

Really?

REALLY?!

OMG XDD

Really, I'm the only person here with kinda-programming knowledge that knows that "fixing the lag" is not as easy as it seems?

You know how exponentiation works? That's a simple example, take number of people on the map and do the math how many data PER SECOND is transfered between everything.

That's a simple example/metaphor of course, but adding ONE person doing things, based on actual number of people on map doing things, can add from 2 (1 person + 1 new) to 81 (40 people + 1 new) signals PER SECOND.

If someone anywhere says that I don't care about XYZ because I can't reduce the result of the equation 80 * 80 from 6400 to 10 I'll say...

...some really nasty thing about his mother and his dog, cause he's so stoopid >_<

This game worked without lag a year ago.

1 year ago was the first months of 1.6 and probably the worst lag I've ever experienced on Thornblade EU. You should edit to 2 years ago.

kevlarto_ESO

Out of all the games I have tested over many years, this is the only game I can think of that the performance was better in beta and has gone backwards since then.

Soulac

Jules wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvcBlpXkF2U&amp;feature=youtube_gdata_player

Music nub here: what is the name of the song?

Edit: nvm just googled the lyrics xD

Iyas

Elong wrote: »

Khamira wrote: »

Nafirian wrote: »

We can all hope, but as feng said ZOS wont fix it as they dont care as it wont make them money

Really?

REALLY?!

OMG XDD

Really, I'm the only person here with kinda-programming knowledge that knows that "fixing the lag" is not as easy as it seems?

You know how exponentiation works? That's a simple example, take number of people on the map and do the math how many data PER SECOND is transfered between everything.

That's a simple example/metaphor of course, but adding ONE person doing things, based on actual number of people on map doing things, can add from 2 (1 person + 1 new) to 81 (40 people + 1 new) signals PER SECOND.

If someone anywhere says that I don't care about XYZ because I can't reduce the result of the equation 80 * 80 from 6400 to 10 I'll say...

...some really nasty thing about his mother and his dog, cause he's so stoopid >_<

This game worked without lag a year ago.

And with more players on a server

Poxheart

Jules: it is too late.

Eirella

Good song choice xD
But yeah, sadly it is too late, nothing will change.

God_flakes

All this doom and gloom!! Geez people! Either accept the game and have fun with it as it is and move forward or drop the game as many others have done.

Jules

God_flakes wrote: »

All this doom and gloom!! Geez people! Either accept the game and have fun with it as it is and move forward or drop the game as many others have done.

Doom and Gloom? Do you actually play this game at primetime? Because "doom and gloom" implies I'm casting an unfair negative light on it, when I'm not. This is how the game actually performs and it deserves to be discussed and worked on for real. When you care about something, you don't just let it rot. You do something. You do everything you can.

vortexman11

See... the funny this is... this isn't even as bad as it can get...

Xvorg

Jules wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

All this doom and gloom!! Geez people! Either accept the game and have fun with it as it is and move forward or drop the game as many others have done.

Doom and Gloom? Do you actually play this game at primetime? Because "doom and gloom" implies I'm casting an unfair negative light on it, when I'm not. This is how the game actually performs and it deserves to be discussed and worked on for real. When you care about something, you don't just let it rot. You do something. You do everything you can.

This is one of the most beautiful things I've ever read about this game. Unfortunately, ZOS pay little attention to their loyal customers....

I know game developers who would kill for half the loyalty we see here...

Psilent

Satiar wrote: »

Jules you cut the video right before I got there! Why you do dis!? That was my drunk raid glory moment where i stop the lag

Anyways. I was surprised BRK escalated to that point. I took every single EP keep and scroll on the map and the faction still refused to leave. I remember when I was on red the zone used to get so upset at IR and Havoc for defending last emp keeps while the map burned. At some point i guess that turned around.

ZOS needs to change the rules of how objectives are played to provide more incentive for defending one objective over another. If scrolls gave more than they do now, people might defend them more often, but as it stands; having an emperor on your side is more of a boon.

vortexman11

Psilent wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Jules you cut the video right before I got there! Why you do dis!? That was my drunk raid glory moment where i stop the lag

Anyways. I was surprised BRK escalated to that point. I took every single EP keep and scroll on the map and the faction still refused to leave. I remember when I was on red the zone used to get so upset at IR and Havoc for defending last emp keeps while the map burned. At some point i guess that turned around.

ZOS needs to change the rules of how objectives are played to provide more incentive for defending one objective over another. If scrolls gave more than they do now, people might defend them more often, but as it stands; having an emperor on your side is more of a boon.

Its not so much defending one objective over another. ZOS needs to implement rules that give an incentive to defend multiple objectives at once, if one is always more important than the other then we'll all just stack based on importance. We need things like a requirement of holding two keeps to maintain emperor.

Rohamad_Ali

ESO pvp 4/10

blabafat

I really wish ZoS would change their mindset on this matter. However, their unwillingness to even TRY things (Removing AoE Caps) to discourage mindless stacking up has caused me - as well as others - to lose hope.

Psilent

vortexman11 wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Jules you cut the video right before I got there! Why you do dis!? That was my drunk raid glory moment where i stop the lag

Anyways. I was surprised BRK escalated to that point. I took every single EP keep and scroll on the map and the faction still refused to leave. I remember when I was on red the zone used to get so upset at IR and Havoc for defending last emp keeps while the map burned. At some point i guess that turned around.

ZOS needs to change the rules of how objectives are played to provide more incentive for defending one objective over another. If scrolls gave more than they do now, people might defend them more often, but as it stands; having an emperor on your side is more of a boon.

Its not so much defending one objective over another. ZOS needs to implement rules that give an incentive to defend multiple objectives at once, if one is always more important than the other then we'll all just stack based on importance

So kind of like:

In order to obtain Emperor your faction must control all 3 Gate Keeps and all 6 Imperial Keeps. To maintain Emperor you must keep at least 1 Imperial Keep and ALL 3 gate keeps; losing even one will dethrone you.

If so, I'd love that!

Rune_Relic

You have to choose.
Option 1. hit anything and everything all at the same time with superpower AoE.
Option 2. hit one thing with single target.

Not one of you will choose option 2.
So....enjoy the lag

@ OP 4fps and 880ms ping throughout.
Cringeworthy ..unplayable.. yet typical

At least the pings improved

Zheg

Three things:

1. I've been asking for the emp system to be removed or changed for ... maybe a year now? You simply won't see this kind of clustereff at drakelowe, you won't. Quick stop-gap measures: require 2 emp ring keeps to maintain emperorship, require all home keeps, or require 1-2 keeps and 1-2 of your scrolls. Simple, and doesn't require the impossible technical fixes ZOS seems incapable of achieving.
2. I've switched to playing at low settings, and while it was hard to give up the graphics because the game looks beautiful, it significantly helps fps, and that was the biggest issue you were struggling with at that keep.
3. You were jesus beamed at full health 3+ times and it didn't even take you below 90% HP ... hmmmm...

Rohamad_Ali

I know it unrelated to ESO now but the new Direct X 12 is suppose to be a miracle toy for multi core processor PC rigs . ESO Is already listed as one of the games that will launch it first . It's designed to stop bottle necking rendering processes ect that cause lag server and client side . Not sure when it gets released but maybe they are waiting to change anything around until they have that new system in their code . Just a thought .