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Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
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Great, can you understand maybe other people have a different opinion? Apart from being that "good boy in the forums cause zos saves my life and I send them flowers" you could think for a bit this behaviour and way of fixing an exploit is not correct at all.
Wow, that oneliner suddenly turned into an ugly situation
Also, for the record, could you think about all the damage players could do with that exploit? And that ZOS is still a company with a tight schedule and that they can't always perform maint when the players want it?
Could you think that is you as a company who have to pay the consequences of your own mistakes, not your clients?
And who exploited that mistake?
See you in Lothric
If you live in the real world, you will know that never a company can punish thousands of clients because some others made fraud. And if the company do it, usually gets sued and lose a lot of money. In fact, the company always try to be completely coherent with the other clients and never make decisions that can hurt the others to fix an own mistake causing fraud. Mainly because the whole "TOS" can be sued whatever the TOS says or you accepted.
You're making way too much of this. There was an economy ruining exploit, it became known. They are hotfixing it the hell out before it does any more damage. The end. No one purposely ruined your Friday night game session. No one owes you anything. No one will sue, no one will protest, you'll start playing again the second it's up and be happy.6 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »
Great, can you understand maybe other people have a different opinion? Apart from being that "good boy in the forums cause zos saves my life and I send them flowers" you could think for a bit this behaviour and way of fixing an exploit is not correct at all.
Wow, that oneliner suddenly turned into an ugly situation
Also, for the record, could you think about all the damage players could do with that exploit? And that ZOS is still a company with a tight schedule and that they can't always perform maint when the players want it?
Could you think that is you as a company who have to pay the consequences of your own mistakes, not your clients?
And who exploited that mistake?
See you in Lothric
If you live in the real world, you will know that never a company can punish thousands of clients because some others made fraud. And if the company do it, usually gets sued and lose a lot of money. In fact, the company always try to be completely coherent with the other clients and never make decisions that can hurt the others to fix an own mistake causing fraud. Mainly because the whole "TOS" can be sued whatever the TOS says or you accepted.
wtf are you talking about. ZOS can ban the exploiters if they want because they agreed to ToS and the knowingly violated them. As for maintenance they need to fix it ASAP and you are in the minority when it comes to being angry about it.
I think is you who dont understand, but its ok. TBH dont know what are you talkin about and what have to do with what I was saying.Edited by RazielSR on April 29, 2016 6:58PM0 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭
Ah, so thousands of players are involved?anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »Something about survey reports, and a website?
Just what is this about?
From what I understood...
It was possible to get a writ survey report.[snip]
Not sure how long this had been possible (maybe it has always been ?) but the info was spreading like wildfire and if they hadn't acted on this in emergency many people would have spent the whole night harvesting resources that way.
Not sure it would have been "game breaking" or "destroying the economy" for I can understand that ZOS doesn't want to have to ban or undertake disciplinary actions against thousands and thousands of players.
[edited for exploit details]
A reason more they should reward every player with something that was not involved in the exploit.
If they won't punish the bad apples, they SURELY can reward the good folks?
Same coin, different side.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."2 -
FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »
Great, can you understand maybe other people have a different opinion? Apart from being that "good boy in the forums cause zos saves my life and I send them flowers" you could think for a bit this behaviour and way of fixing an exploit is not correct at all.
Wow, that oneliner suddenly turned into an ugly situation
Also, for the record, could you think about all the damage players could do with that exploit? And that ZOS is still a company with a tight schedule and that they can't always perform maint when the players want it?
Could you think that is you as a company who have to pay the consequences of your own mistakes, not your clients?
And who exploited that mistake?
See you in Lothric
If you live in the real world, you will know that never a company can punish thousands of clients because some others made fraud. And if the company do it, usually gets sued and lose a lot of money. In fact, the company always try to be completely coherent with the other clients and never make decisions that can hurt the others to fix an own mistake causing fraud. Mainly because the whole "TOS" can be sued whatever the TOS says or you accepted.
wtf are you talking about. ZOS can ban the exploiters if they want because they agreed to ToS and the knowingly violated them. As for maintenance they need to fix it ASAP and you are in the minority when it comes to being angry about it.
I think is you who dont understand, but its ok. TBH dont know what are you talkin about and what have to do with what I was saying.
Sorry it is hard to understand your broken english.2 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »
Great, can you understand maybe other people have a different opinion? Apart from being that "good boy in the forums cause zos saves my life and I send them flowers" you could think for a bit this behaviour and way of fixing an exploit is not correct at all.
Wow, that oneliner suddenly turned into an ugly situation
Also, for the record, could you think about all the damage players could do with that exploit? And that ZOS is still a company with a tight schedule and that they can't always perform maint when the players want it?
Could you think that is you as a company who have to pay the consequences of your own mistakes, not your clients?
And who exploited that mistake?
See you in Lothric
If you live in the real world, you will know that never a company can punish thousands of clients because some others made fraud. And if the company do it, usually gets sued and lose a lot of money. In fact, the company always try to be completely coherent with the other clients and never make decisions that can hurt the others to fix an own mistake causing fraud. Mainly because the whole "TOS" can be sued whatever the TOS says or you accepted.
You're making way too much of this. There was an economy ruining exploit, it became known. They are hotfixing it the hell out before it does any more damage. The end. No one purposely ruined your Friday night game session. No one owes you anything. No one will sue, no one will protest, you'll start playing again the second it's up and be happy.
No, im just stating how the law works. Not how you, me or a random should behave or not.
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clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭SleepyTroll wrote: »customer care is not letting an exploit get out of hand....
Here's how you do it without shutting down the server or letting it get out of hand: DISABLE ALL TRADING GLOBALLY FOR A FEW HOURS and then shut it down for patch.
They already said they have the relevant data tracked that lets them know who abused it, so the only reason to patch it is that it gets out of hand if the exploiters start trading away their exploited materials. If all forms of trading are disabled, there is no damage done and they can get banned later without ruining everyone's friday night.
But yeah, I assume nobody was bright enough at ZOS to implement these useful emergency global blocks, a shame.1 -
Altairien✭✭✭Fixing exploits is good although the timing stinks for many. I'm just annoyed that I must now keep my surveys stored in my bank because I don't want to get close to survey areas and have them go *poof* before I get a chance to gather them. I normally carry them with me in case I have a bit of time to go grab some. That ends now.
It would be very easy for surveys to *poof* without getting a harvest. Approach a location (not even actually in view yet) close enough to trigger the survey nodes, see a normal resource node off to the side that is slightly outside the trigger radius, go harvest that normal node, and meanwhile *poof* goes the survey without getting the chance to harvest up a thing.
Even a lag spike could cause losing a survey. Server thinks you're at point X, spawns the nodes, then after the lag spike gets an update you're at point Y, outside of the trigger radius.
For now, it's either store in the bank or make a direct beeline for the nodes without regard to anything else in the world, period. I hope ZOS's permanent fix is not by making them bound to character.0 -
Where I am the downtime started at 2pm. I just sat down and got all ready to play for a while. Oh well. C'est la vie.The hand prints are bloody because the puppy outran the bunny0 -
RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »
Great, can you understand maybe other people have a different opinion? Apart from being that "good boy in the forums cause zos saves my life and I send them flowers" you could think for a bit this behaviour and way of fixing an exploit is not correct at all.
Wow, that oneliner suddenly turned into an ugly situation
Also, for the record, could you think about all the damage players could do with that exploit? And that ZOS is still a company with a tight schedule and that they can't always perform maint when the players want it?
Could you think that is you as a company who have to pay the consequences of your own mistakes, not your clients?
And who exploited that mistake?
See you in Lothric
If you live in the real world, you will know that never a company can punish thousands of clients because some others made fraud. And if the company do it, usually gets sued and lose a lot of money. In fact, the company always try to be completely coherent with the other clients and never make decisions that can hurt the others to fix an own mistake causing fraud. Mainly because the whole "TOS" can be sued whatever the TOS says or you accepted.
wtf are you talking about. ZOS can ban the exploiters if they want because they agreed to ToS and the knowingly violated them. As for maintenance they need to fix it ASAP and you are in the minority when it comes to being angry about it.
I think is you who dont understand, but its ok. TBH dont know what are you talkin about and what have to do with what I was saying.
Sorry it is hard to understand your broken english.
You quoted this:If you live in the real world, you will know that never a company can punish thousands of clients because some others made fraud. And if the company do it, usually gets sued and lose a lot of money. In fact, the company always try to be completely coherent with the other clients and never make decisions that can hurt the others to fix an own mistake causing fraud. Mainly because the whole "TOS" can be sued whatever the TOS says or you accepted.
And you answered this:wtf are you talking about. ZOS can ban the exploiters if they want because they agreed to ToS and the knowingly violated them. As for maintenance they need to fix it ASAP and you are in the minority when it comes to being angry about it.
My english is not the best, but I cant understand why did you say zos can ban exploiters as If I was stating the contrary.
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RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Will they fix other PVP bugs too or just this I really hate how some walls can repair themselves and glitched out Elder Scrolls that can't be picked up.Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.0 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »customer care is not letting an exploit get out of hand....
Here's how you do it without shutting down the server or letting it get out of hand: DISABLE ALL TRADING GLOBALLY FOR A FEW HOURS and then shut it down for patch.
They already said they have the relevant data tracked that lets them know who abused it, so the only reason to patch it is that it gets out of hand if the exploiters start trading away their exploited materials. If all forms of trading are disabled, there is no damage done and they can get banned later without ruining everyone's friday night.
But yeah, I assume nobody was bright enough at ZOS to implement these useful emergency global blocks, a shame.
Is there any evidence that they're even capable of globally disabling trade? Or, if they are, of doing so while servers are live?
And even if there is, trade is a major part of the game. If they disabled trade for a few hours, these forums would be full of people with actual cause to complain complaining instead of what we have right now, a few selfish people insisting that getting their way is more important than the good of the overall game.
Seriously, just stop. There is no argument to be made that you guys are right on this, and the more you keep trying to find one, the worse you guys look."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle2 -
FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »
Great, can you understand maybe other people have a different opinion? Apart from being that "good boy in the forums cause zos saves my life and I send them flowers" you could think for a bit this behaviour and way of fixing an exploit is not correct at all.
Wow, that oneliner suddenly turned into an ugly situation
Also, for the record, could you think about all the damage players could do with that exploit? And that ZOS is still a company with a tight schedule and that they can't always perform maint when the players want it?
Could you think that is you as a company who have to pay the consequences of your own mistakes, not your clients?
And who exploited that mistake?
See you in Lothric
If you live in the real world, you will know that never a company can punish thousands of clients because some others made fraud. And if the company do it, usually gets sued and lose a lot of money. In fact, the company always try to be completely coherent with the other clients and never make decisions that can hurt the others to fix an own mistake causing fraud. Mainly because the whole "TOS" can be sued whatever the TOS says or you accepted.
wtf are you talking about. ZOS can ban the exploiters if they want because they agreed to ToS and the knowingly violated them. As for maintenance they need to fix it ASAP and you are in the minority when it comes to being angry about it.
I think is you who dont understand, but its ok. TBH dont know what are you talkin about and what have to do with what I was saying.
Sorry it is hard to understand your broken english.
You quoted this:If you live in the real world, you will know that never a company can punish thousands of clients because some others made fraud. And if the company do it, usually gets sued and lose a lot of money. In fact, the company always try to be completely coherent with the other clients and never make decisions that can hurt the others to fix an own mistake causing fraud. Mainly because the whole "TOS" can be sued whatever the TOS says or you accepted.
And you answered this:wtf are you talking about. ZOS can ban the exploiters if they want because they agreed to ToS and the knowingly violated them. As for maintenance they need to fix it ASAP and you are in the minority when it comes to being angry about it.
My english is not the best, but I cant understand why did you say zos can ban exploiters as If I was stating the contrary.
I read it wrong. And most of my post was just my opinion on people being banned for exploits anyway. I never said you were stating the contrary.0 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭HeavyMetalAngel wrote: »Where I am the downtime started at 2pm. I just sat down and got all ready to play for a while. Oh well. C'est la vie.
La vie..."Get off my lawn!"0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ok so I just read the link about fixing the survey exploit and I now understand how people were able to exploit them... I won't say how though but geez these people, figuring out such things...Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy0 -
myrrrorb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭So you would rather give exploiters more time to amount more legendary tempers and gold? Consider this a good thing. In swtor they would let exploits run rampant for months before doing anything.
Actually, yes. Yes I would.
Now that they know the exploit. Look for it and permanently ban them from the game. And not just that one account, but all accounts from all games that they produce.
The exploit has been around since Thieve's Guild . A few more hours certainly isn't going to cause substantially more damage. And it should be fairly simple to track down the exploiters.1 -
clocksstoppe✭✭✭✭✭
✭MasterSpatula wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »customer care is not letting an exploit get out of hand....
Here's how you do it without shutting down the server or letting it get out of hand: DISABLE ALL TRADING GLOBALLY FOR A FEW HOURS and then shut it down for patch.
They already said they have the relevant data tracked that lets them know who abused it, so the only reason to patch it is that it gets out of hand if the exploiters start trading away their exploited materials. If all forms of trading are disabled, there is no damage done and they can get banned later without ruining everyone's friday night.
But yeah, I assume nobody was bright enough at ZOS to implement these useful emergency global blocks, a shame.
Is there any evidence that they're even capable of globally disabling trade? Or, if they are, of doing so while servers are live?
And even if there is, trade is a major part of the game. If they disabled trade for a few hours, these forums would be full of people with actual cause to complain complaining instead of what we have right now, a few selfish people insisting that getting their way is more important than the good of the overall game.
Seriously, just stop. There is no argument to be made that you guys are right on this, and the more you keep trying to find one, the worse you guys look.
Can you explain how not playing at all is worse than playing but not trading at all?
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stumpy999✭✭✭I wonder who works for a living?
I come home from work and want to kick back, get a hour of play in etc
wait
there is something essential that must be done
what? fix lag in pvp?
no some trade bug
I don't trade much so it wont affect me will it?
mmmm
maybe ZoS have figures that say euro evenings are their quiet time?0 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I wonder who works for a living?
I come home from work and want to kick back, get a hour of play in etc
wait
there is something essential that must be done
what? fix lag in pvp?
no some trade bug
I don't trade much so it wont affect me will it?
mmmm
maybe ZoS have figures that say euro evenings are their quiet time?
Well if it doesn't affect you personally, I just can't see any reason why they would bring the servers down. Did they even contact you before they made their decision?
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Phelaen✭✭✭I am totally fine with them taking the server down for an emergency update, what allways pisses me off about ZOS is the lack of communication about what they are doing, why and the ETA..
that and the fact they seem to have the longest REGULAR downtime for server maintenance that i have ever encountered in my 20 years or so of playing MMO's , not counting new content updates or something like that ( 2005 eve online server down for 70 hours with new update ...)
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MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭clocksstoppe wrote: »MasterSpatula wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »customer care is not letting an exploit get out of hand....
Here's how you do it without shutting down the server or letting it get out of hand: DISABLE ALL TRADING GLOBALLY FOR A FEW HOURS and then shut it down for patch.
They already said they have the relevant data tracked that lets them know who abused it, so the only reason to patch it is that it gets out of hand if the exploiters start trading away their exploited materials. If all forms of trading are disabled, there is no damage done and they can get banned later without ruining everyone's friday night.
But yeah, I assume nobody was bright enough at ZOS to implement these useful emergency global blocks, a shame.
Is there any evidence that they're even capable of globally disabling trade? Or, if they are, of doing so while servers are live?
And even if there is, trade is a major part of the game. If they disabled trade for a few hours, these forums would be full of people with actual cause to complain complaining instead of what we have right now, a few selfish people insisting that getting their way is more important than the good of the overall game.
Seriously, just stop. There is no argument to be made that you guys are right on this, and the more you keep trying to find one, the worse you guys look.
Can you explain how not playing at all is worse than playing but not trading at all?
I assume you meant to say better instead of worse. And yes, I can.
Immediately fixing the issue gets everyone back into a functioning properly (at least regarding this issue) game as soon as possible. Disabling trading, if it's even doable, has players in the game unable to do a significant percentage of the game until it's convenient to fix. Maybe that doesn't matter to you, but there are plenty of players who value trading. There's even a notable number of players who consider trading their main activity. For them, the game would be hobbled and broken for several hours just for your convenience.
I swear, actually thinking about other people besides yourself isn't difficult. I don't understand why so many people seem incapable of it.Edited by MasterSpatula on April 29, 2016 8:39PM"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle1 -
llSRRll✭✭✭I heard about this exploit yesterday and glad they are fixing it as fast as they can, thanks ZOS I really do appreciate a fast fix to this.4
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FortheloveofKrist✭✭✭✭✭
✭MasterSpatula wrote: »Is there any evidence that they're even capable of globally disabling trade? Or, if they are, of doing so while servers are live?
Bah! Nobody needs "evidence" or "reasons" or a "rationale" or "business sense" or "time"! You just bust out the ol' Global Trade Disabling wand and wave it around....Voila! That's how game server maintenance works! It's not that hard. Find problem, wave wand, repeat.
Jeeeeesus!
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