Glyphs got stronger?

Mettaricana

I saw in the notes that wep dmg spell dmg enchants got a buff can someone tell me the new amount they give at vr 16 gold?

Feynn

It's not weapon damage and spell damage glyphs that got buffed, but "the overall power of weapon enchantments" which has been "slightly increased". Weapon dmg and spell dmg glyphs are jewellery enchantments, weapons enchantments are things like fire damage, absorb magicka etc. I imagine the reason why they have been buffed is to make them still viable compared to poisons, considering that when you apply a poison to your weapon that will replace your weapon enchantment for as long as the poison has charges, as if it were a temporary weapon glyph. And it looks like poisons might be a real game-changer.

Panth141

Feynn wrote: »

It's not weapon damage and spell damage glyphs that got buffed, but "the overall power of weapon enchantments" which has been "slightly increased". Weapon dmg and spell dmg glyphs are jewellery enchantments, weapons enchantments are things like fire damage, absorb magicka etc. I imagine the reason why they have been buffed is to make them still viable compared to poisons, considering that when you apply a poison to your weapon that will replace your weapon enchantment for as long as the poison has charges, as if it were a temporary weapon glyph. And it looks like poisons might be a real game-changer.

'The overall power of weapon enchantments has been significantly increased.'

Significantly, not slightly!

Feynn

@Panth141 My bad, thanks for correcting me! Still, I imagine that must be a change that was made to balance the poisons system. And no buffs to weapon and spell damage glyphs anyway.

Panth141

Feynn wrote: »

@Panth141 My bad, thanks for correcting me! Still, I imagine that must be a change that was made to balance the poisons system. And no buffs to weapon and spell damage glyphs anyway.

Yep - I'm sure it was done to make the decision of enchant vs poison a bit trickier to decide!

As for the original question:

@Mettaricana I'm using a template on PTS and we've only been given purple v16 glyphs, but for comparison:

Purple v16 on PTS = + 320 weapon & spell damage for 5 seconds
I believe a gold glyph on live is something like 176? Not certain on that though

Mettaricana

Hmmm I like these changes

Ra'Shtar

Has someone tested which one is better for overall DPS in PvE enchant or poison?

Lucius_Aelius

Feynn wrote: »

It's not weapon damage and spell damage glyphs that got buffed, but "the overall power of weapon enchantments" which has been "slightly increased". Weapon dmg and spell dmg glyphs are jewellery enchantments, weapons enchantments are things like fire damage, absorb magicka etc. I imagine the reason why they have been buffed is to make them still viable compared to poisons, considering that when you apply a poison to your weapon that will replace your weapon enchantment for as long as the poison has charges, as if it were a temporary weapon glyph. And it looks like poisons might be a real game-changer.

@Feynn

There is a Weapon Glyph that increases Weapon Damage (makes the weapon shimmer red, I have a gold one of those glyphs on my V16's Two Handed Sword), so it's certainly implied that it's been buffed as well

thejynxed

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Has someone tested which one is better for overall DPS in PvE enchant or poison?

I would guess it would be enchants, because monster NPCs can be immune entirely to the effects from the new poisons, and it appears in many cases that if they are immune to one effect from the poison, none of the other effects from that poison will proc on them either.

Feynn

@Lucius_Aelius Come to think of it, you're right! I forgot about that glyph! It will be interesting to see how the values will be buffed at the end when it goes live, after they have had time to test it all and balance it.

Lucius_Aelius

Feynn wrote: »

@Lucius_Aelius Come to think of it, you're right! I forgot about that glyph! It will be interesting to see how the values will be buffed at the end when it goes live, after they have had time to test it all and balance it.

It is weird that there's a Weapon Damage Glyph but no Spell Damage Glyph for Weapons, and if you don't use it it's easy to forget it's there, but I am very curious to see how much it got buffed by (especially since I've got my eye on Pelinal's for my Templar and need to stack as much Weapon Damage as possible to make it work).

Mettaricana

Any flat numbers? A shimmering red hlow doesn't really say how much dmg lol

Lucius_Aelius

I'm not on PTS so sorry but I don't know and am also wondering about this myself, which is what brought me to this thread in the first place. Unfortunately if anyone does know they haven't answered yet, and believe me if I did know I'd have said something.

ADarklore

Has anyone yet looked at current enchantments on PTS and compared them to Live?!? Would be curious to know the difference, as would other people. My expectation is that the new 'poison' enchants will be significantly higher since they'll also be selling them in the Crown Store.

Asayre

The internal cooldown appears to be 10 seconds so maximum uptime of 50% or 174 spell/weapon damage on average

Derra

Asayre wrote: »

The internal cooldown appears to be 10 seconds so maximum uptime of 50% or 174 spell/weapon damage on average

Did they change the icd for weapon enchants with the patch?

That would be funny. ZOS: "Hey guys we doubled the potency of weapon enchants to be a tough choice compared to poisons - but actually we more then doubled the CD on them so they are weaker than before. Better grind that poison mats - poisons soon coming to your crownstore "

Xsorus

Derra wrote: »

Asayre wrote: »

The internal cooldown appears to be 10 seconds so maximum uptime of 50% or 174 spell/weapon damage on average

Did they change the icd for weapon enchants with the patch?

That would be funny. ZOS: "Hey guys we doubled the potency of weapon enchants to be a tough choice compared to poisons - but actually we more then doubled the CD on them so they are weaker than before. Better grind that poison mats - poisons soon coming to your crownstore "

Nope...Its always been that ICD.

The Elemental procs are all 5 seconds for their ICD.

and 2.5 seconds with Powered Trait previously...I would run Powered on my Weapons generally because it kept up the disease status effect pretty much 100% of the time.

Derra

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Asayre wrote: »

The internal cooldown appears to be 10 seconds so maximum uptime of 50% or 174 spell/weapon damage on average

Did they change the icd for weapon enchants with the patch?

That would be funny. ZOS: "Hey guys we doubled the potency of weapon enchants to be a tough choice compared to poisons - but actually we more then doubled the CD on them so they are weaker than before. Better grind that poison mats - poisons soon coming to your crownstore "

Nope...Its always been that ICD.

The Elemental procs are all 5 seconds for their ICD.

and 2.5 seconds with Powered Trait previously...I would run Powered on my Weapons generally because it kept up the disease status effect pretty much 100% of the time.

Never used the wpndmg on procc before. Interesting tbh. It´s much weaker than i thought.

Mettaricana

Man looking at that enchant toss in powered two hander and kena and momentum gonna shred things dual wield even more so

glavius

Derra wrote: »

Asayre wrote: »

The internal cooldown appears to be 10 seconds so maximum uptime of 50% or 174 spell/weapon damage on average

Did they change the icd for weapon enchants with the patch?

That would be funny. ZOS: "Hey guys we doubled the potency of weapon enchants to be a tough choice compared to poisons - but actually we more then doubled the CD on them so they are weaker than before. Better grind that poison mats - poisons soon coming to your crownstore "

Just tested. Same internal cooldown on live and on pts. Looks to be 5 uptime 4 downtime.

staracino_ESO

Anyone on PTS that can check to see if the new Infused trait works with that wep/spell glyph? Or does it only raise the damage glyphs?