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MAG DK - 2.4.0
Zahcy
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What's your opinion on the changes to MAG DK for 2.4.0? Has the class taken a nerf or a buff, both PVE and PVP.
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭On one hand we lose the burst from Proxy Det
But on the plus side we get a new Damage Shield in Annulment
The Class itself remains largely the same, we do get a 30% in Fragmented Shield Damage but that's it"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Zahcy✭✭Am I the only person that sees the heavy armour nerf (no more reducing cost of block by 20%) a massive downfall?3
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Torbschka✭✭✭✭Its a huge buff, at least if u use heavy armor and vampirisim for pvp. Its amazing lol0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Basically your pretty much going to lose proxy det (dmg) for more survivability (harness).
Though a meteor + proxy + inhale + whip was the only way i could even attempt to kill a sorc on a mag dk.
Now i guess i'll just have to enter mist form until someone kills the sorc for me.
Glad mist form is actually fixed though.PS4 EU DC
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DKsUnite✭✭✭✭✭
✭pretty much buffs all round. Everyone relying on prox det is gonna be hurt, i dont/never have run it because its a cheese ability and its quite easy to 1vX without it so its not the end of the world. Gonna be torn now between running heavy or light
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Zahcy✭✭pretty much buffs all round. Everyone relying on prox det is gonna be hurt, i dont/never have run it because its a cheese ability and its quite easy to 1vX without it so its not the end of the world. Gonna be torn now between running heavy or light
Surely the removal of the 'Bracing' passive completely removed any incentive to use heavy armour over light amour?0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭pretty much buffs all round. Everyone relying on prox det is gonna be hurt, i dont/never have run it because its a cheese ability and its quite easy to 1vX without it so its not the end of the world. Gonna be torn now between running heavy or light
I still can't believe they took out the block cost reduction.
I'm likely going to still wear light, especially with how easy it will be to stack armour now with defending giving 5k resist...
I'm already at spell cap as it is wearing nearly full impen with 1-2 infused.
The passive of heavy look ok but i doubt your going to heavy attack a lot of people and constitution looks good with it's 1.1 every 4s your resources will drain a lot quicker than that in heavy.PS4 EU DC
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Zahcy✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »pretty much buffs all round. Everyone relying on prox det is gonna be hurt, i dont/never have run it because its a cheese ability and its quite easy to 1vX without it so its not the end of the world. Gonna be torn now between running heavy or light
I still can't believe they took out the block cost reduction.
I'm likely going to still wear light, especially with how easy it will be to stack armour now with defending giving 5k resist...
I'm already at spell cap as it is wearing nearly full impen with 1-2 infused.
The passive of heavy look ok but i doubt your going to heavy attack a lot of people and constitution looks good with it's 1.1 every 4s your resources will drain a lot quicker than that in heavy.
I completely agree, it's going to be almost mandatory to run light armour. I've been loving heavy armour recently, such a shame to see it go.
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pod88kk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Though a meteor + proxy + inhale + whip was the only way i could even attempt to kill a sorc on a mag dk.
Just when I was getting used to getting the timing down on this they went and changed it Haha
All in all though I am a lot happier with how the dk has changed, will definitely feel a lot tankier which is how the dk should feel.
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RoyJade✭✭✭✭✭
✭Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.0 -
Zahcy✭✭Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
As a dueller that currently plays MAG DK I feel as if we've taken a nerf with heavy armour, I can't duel stamina builds without bracing. Although at least annulment is a start to make up for it.0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
Actually IMO, stam dk will the king of 1vX while Stamblade will rule 1v11 -
Zahcy✭✭Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
Actually IMO, stam dk will the king of 1vX while Stamblade will rule 1v1
STAM NB will be most dominant in my opinion 1vX along with with potentially MAG NB.0 -
pod88kk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
Actually IMO, stam dk will the king of 1vX while Stamblade will rule 1v1
STAM NB will be most dominant in my opinion 1vX along with with potentially MAG NB.
Great just what the battlefields need.... More NBs3 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
Actually IMO, stam dk will the king of 1vX while Stamblade will rule 1v1
STAM NB will be most dominant in my opinion 1vX along with with potentially MAG NB.
Great just what the battlefields need.... More NBs
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
Actually IMO, stam dk will the king of 1vX while Stamblade will rule 1v1
Other way around the stam dk with be good 1v1 because of it's dots, 1vX will be stam nb.
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Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
Actually IMO, stam dk will the king of 1vX while Stamblade will rule 1v1
Other way around the stam dk with be good 1v1 because of it's dots, 1vX will be stam nb.
But, think of the things Stamblades can do in a duel. Ambush with Stamina reduction poison equipped leave mag builds with very little stamina. Use Inc.Strike for the stun and damage. Killer's Blade finish. Plus assassin's scourge can potentially one shot most DPS builds.0 -
Bandit1215✭✭✭I think it got slightly better with the changes to heavy armor and vampirism, after all that's what most DK's typically run. The new wrath passive "Redesigned this passive ability so it now increases your Weapon and Spell Damage by 10/20 for 6 seconds after taking damage at Ranks I/II respectively, stacking up to 10 times." is extremely helpful, as it makes you stronger the more times you get hit. The increase to resource gain from constitution is also a great buff for sustain. Additionally you get 2% health for EACH PEICE OF HEAVY ARMOR AND 8% EXTRA HEALING! In my opinion, heavy armor DK's got better but they still aren't quite there. The class itself needs still needs some changingCP 561- vSO HM - Completed
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
Actually IMO, stam dk will the king of 1vX while Stamblade will rule 1v1
Other way around the stam dk with be good 1v1 because of it's dots, 1vX will be stam nb.
But, think of the things Stamblades can do in a duel. Ambush with Stamina reduction poison equipped leave mag builds with very little stamina. Use Inc.Strike for the stun and damage. Killer's Blade finish. Plus assassin's scourge can potentially one shot most DPS builds.
They could probably go dual wield for even more dmg now, i'm pretty sure killers blade has the same dmg as executioner but is cheaper (at least the same dmg as unmorphed executioner) So stamina dps skill/gap closer/execute they could easily go dual wield.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
Actually IMO, stam dk will the king of 1vX while Stamblade will rule 1v1
Other way around the stam dk with be good 1v1 because of it's dots, 1vX will be stam nb.
But, think of the things Stamblades can do in a duel. Ambush with Stamina reduction poison equipped leave mag builds with very little stamina. Use Inc.Strike for the stun and damage. Killer's Blade finish. Plus assassin's scourge can potentially one shot most DPS builds.
They could probably go dual wield for even more dmg now, i'm pretty sure killers blade has the same dmg as executioner but is cheaper (at least the same dmg as unmorphed executioner) So stamina dps skill/gap closer/execute they could easily go dual wield.
Flurry is the new Jabs as well0 -
Zahcy✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
Actually IMO, stam dk will the king of 1vX while Stamblade will rule 1v1
Other way around the stam dk with be good 1v1 because of it's dots, 1vX will be stam nb.
But, think of the things Stamblades can do in a duel. Ambush with Stamina reduction poison equipped leave mag builds with very little stamina. Use Inc.Strike for the stun and damage. Killer's Blade finish. Plus assassin's scourge can potentially one shot most DPS builds.
They could probably go dual wield for even more dmg now, i'm pretty sure killers blade has the same dmg as executioner but is cheaper (at least the same dmg as unmorphed executioner) So stamina dps skill/gap closer/execute they could easily go dual wield.
Flurry is the new Jabs as well
What changes happened to flurry? I didn't notice any in the patch notes.0 -
Zahcy✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
Actually IMO, stam dk will the king of 1vX while Stamblade will rule 1v1
Other way around the stam dk with be good 1v1 because of it's dots, 1vX will be stam nb.
But, think of the things Stamblades can do in a duel. Ambush with Stamina reduction poison equipped leave mag builds with very little stamina. Use Inc.Strike for the stun and damage. Killer's Blade finish. Plus assassin's scourge can potentially one shot most DPS builds.
They could probably go dual wield for even more dmg now, i'm pretty sure killers blade has the same dmg as executioner but is cheaper (at least the same dmg as unmorphed executioner) So stamina dps skill/gap closer/execute they could easily go dual wield.
Killers blade does magic damage, so not as viable as mighty does not affect it.0 -
Zahcy✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Being able to block more than before with a full light armor is a buff IMO. But now, HA have more damage than LA… so I don't know.
When we looking for sets, Varen's legacy seem really powerful for a magDK (10% chance to do 3000 more damage with the next aoe when blocking an attack) and it's craftable and Harbinger can be really powerful with a lot of life (deal 4% of your max life in damage each time you block a direct hit).
I think magDK will be the king of 1vX, but in 1v1 they haven't got anything.
Actually IMO, stam dk will the king of 1vX while Stamblade will rule 1v1
Other way around the stam dk with be good 1v1 because of it's dots, 1vX will be stam nb.
But, think of the things Stamblades can do in a duel. Ambush with Stamina reduction poison equipped leave mag builds with very little stamina. Use Inc.Strike for the stun and damage. Killer's Blade finish. Plus assassin's scourge can potentially one shot most DPS builds.
They could probably go dual wield for even more dmg now, i'm pretty sure killers blade has the same dmg as executioner but is cheaper (at least the same dmg as unmorphed executioner) So stamina dps skill/gap closer/execute they could easily go dual wield.
Flurry is the new Jabs as well
I agree, going to be some strong DOT builds with flurry, valkyn skoria and so fourth.0 -
DKsUnite✭✭✭✭✭
✭pretty much buffs all round. Everyone relying on prox det is gonna be hurt, i dont/never have run it because its a cheese ability and its quite easy to 1vX without it so its not the end of the world. Gonna be torn now between running heavy or light
Surely the removal of the 'Bracing' passive completely removed any incentive to use heavy armour over light amour?
well i have playing without perma blocking since about half way through TGs so that doesnt bother me. What is nice, is the 8% healing (+ factor in a healing sword, another 3%) and 10% more health and the added resistances and i have pretty good tankiness for not blocking. It also lets me take alot of points out of blessed and drop them in increasing my dot damage. The damage difference is smaller aswell so thats another positive. I will test light armour ofc but im liking what i have been able to do in heavy.Edited by DKsUnite on April 27, 2016 1:54PMVyr Cor | Magicka Dragonknight | DC
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Zahcy✭✭pretty much buffs all round. Everyone relying on prox det is gonna be hurt, i dont/never have run it because its a cheese ability and its quite easy to 1vX without it so its not the end of the world. Gonna be torn now between running heavy or light
Surely the removal of the 'Bracing' passive completely removed any incentive to use heavy armour over light amour?
well i have playing without perma blocking since about half way through TGs so that doesnt bother me. What is nice, is the 8% healing (+ factor in a healing sword, another 3%) and 10% more health and the added resistances and i have pretty good tankiness for not blocking. It also lets me take alot of points out of blessed and drop them in increasing my dot damage. The damage difference is smaller aswell so thats another positive. I will test light armour ofc but im liking what i have been able to do in heavy.
Try duelling a stamina build in light armour, never goes well.0 -
DKsUnite✭✭✭✭✭
✭pretty much buffs all round. Everyone relying on prox det is gonna be hurt, i dont/never have run it because its a cheese ability and its quite easy to 1vX without it so its not the end of the world. Gonna be torn now between running heavy or light
Surely the removal of the 'Bracing' passive completely removed any incentive to use heavy armour over light amour?
well i have playing without perma blocking since about half way through TGs so that doesnt bother me. What is nice, is the 8% healing (+ factor in a healing sword, another 3%) and 10% more health and the added resistances and i have pretty good tankiness for not blocking. It also lets me take alot of points out of blessed and drop them in increasing my dot damage. The damage difference is smaller aswell so thats another positive. I will test light armour ofc but im liking what i have been able to do in heavy.
Try duelling a stamina build in light armour, never goes well.
Duel them all the time lolVyr Cor | Magicka Dragonknight | DC
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Zahcy✭✭pretty much buffs all round. Everyone relying on prox det is gonna be hurt, i dont/never have run it because its a cheese ability and its quite easy to 1vX without it so its not the end of the world. Gonna be torn now between running heavy or light
Surely the removal of the 'Bracing' passive completely removed any incentive to use heavy armour over light amour?
well i have playing without perma blocking since about half way through TGs so that doesnt bother me. What is nice, is the 8% healing (+ factor in a healing sword, another 3%) and 10% more health and the added resistances and i have pretty good tankiness for not blocking. It also lets me take alot of points out of blessed and drop them in increasing my dot damage. The damage difference is smaller aswell so thats another positive. I will test light armour ofc but im liking what i have been able to do in heavy.
Try duelling a stamina build in light armour, never goes well.
Duel them all the time lol
And if they're even reasonably good, you will get dominated.0
