So Archery tho...

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Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

UltimaJoe777

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

khele23eb17_ESO

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Lynx7386

I do kinda like the change to scorched earth, it'll be far more useful as an AoE now being both physical damage and lasting longer.

UltimaJoe777

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Well to each their own.

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khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Yep, and no matter how many threads I or others make about bow, the majority will say "it's fine" I just really want to be an Archer....

UltimaJoe777

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Yep, and no mattet how many threads I or others make about bow, the majority will say "it's fine" I just really want to be an Archer....

So be one. Only one stopping you is yourself and your belief that Bows are inferior.

ADarklore

I do believe time and time again that ZOS has said that Bows are NOT supposed to do as much damage as melee because they are ranged and 'out of harms way' more often than not... which makes sense as there is more 'risk' to melee combat and thus they should receive more 'reward'. So people should just STOP expecting that Bows will ever be in the same league as melee weapons.

UltimaJoe777

ADarklore wrote: »

I do believe time and time again that ZOS has said that Bows are NOT supposed to do as much damage as melee because they are ranged and 'out of harms way' more often than not... which makes sense as there is more 'risk' to melee combat and thus they should receive more 'reward'. So people should just STOP expecting that Bows will ever be in the same league as melee weapons.

Same reason Staves are as strong as a 1h Weapon as well.

Lynx7386

I still think the bow line needs a source of major brutality.

ADarklore

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I do believe time and time again that ZOS has said that Bows are NOT supposed to do as much damage as melee because they are ranged and 'out of harms way' more often than not... which makes sense as there is more 'risk' to melee combat and thus they should receive more 'reward'. So people should just STOP expecting that Bows will ever be in the same league as melee weapons.

Same reason Staves are as strong as a 1h Weapon as well.

Last time I heard, everyone was complaining about Destro staff nerfs and how they are useless.

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Yep, and no mattet how many threads I or others make about bow, the majority will say "it's fine" I just really want to be an Archer....

So be one. Only one stopping you is yourself and your belief that Bows are inferior.

You @UltimaJoe777 are a prime example of what I mean, I obviously use Bow, but when I go duel wield I have an Easier time playing, and yes bow is inferior how many people are running main hand bow in solo PVP? vMSA? No one so I don't BELIEVE they are "inferior" they are. That's why every stam build uses bow as a support/buff bar. I bet you are just another Fotm Meta player.

@ADarklore Omg this statment. -___- I'm aware that bow and staffs weapon dmg is low and it should be, but that is not the problem. It'sIt's the bow skills and the game mechanics that makes it suck, plus magic builds can play at range and bypass the range penalty (duel wield). Jeez it's like every stam build MUST play Melee or Die! No one is trying to make bow op I just want archers to be an actual role like in other MMO fantasy games.

Destro Staff has a great aoe (pulsar) a quick instant dps skill (crushing shock) ground dot(wall of elements) a debuff etc.

Let's look at the bow
Dot: poison arrow
Aoe: missing
Ground Dot: Volley
Instan cast dps: missing
Utility skill: missing

UltimaJoe777

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Yep, and no mattet how many threads I or others make about bow, the majority will say "it's fine" I just really want to be an Archer....

So be one. Only one stopping you is yourself and your belief that Bows are inferior.

You @UltimaJoe777 are a prime example of what I mean, I obviously use Bow, but when I got duel wield I have an Easier time playing, and yes bow is inferior how many people are running main hand bow in solo PVP? vMSA? No one so I don't BELIEVE they are "inferior" they are. That's why every stam build uses bow as a support/buff bar. I bet you are just another Fotm Meta player.

@ADarklore Omg this statment. -___- I'm aware that bow and staffs weapon dmg is low and it should be, but that is not the problem. It'sIt's the bow skills and the game mechanics that makes it suck, plus magic builds can play at range and bypass the range penalty (duel wield). Jeez it's like every stam build MUST play Melee or Die! No one is trying to make bow op I just want archers to be an actual role like on other MMO fantasy games.

Destro Staff has a great aoe (pulsar) a quick instant dps skill (crushing shock) ground dot(wall of elements) a debuff etc.

Let's look at the bow
Dot: poison arrow
Aoe: missing
Ground Dot: Volley
Instan cast dps: missing
Utility skill: missing

I am no meta at all, and my archer works a bow just fine by the way and uses Dual Wield to back him up as need be. Despite this I in no way feel a bow is inferior so yes it is a belief. The fact you know of no one that runs it as a main weapon doesn't make it anything else. Furthermore the meta is not absolute. I would also advise you get your facts straight before trying to insult someone, because I play no other MMO beyond ESO and ESO is the ONLY console MMO I have played and ever will play.

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Yep, and no mattet how many threads I or others make about bow, the majority will say "it's fine" I just really want to be an Archer....

So be one. Only one stopping you is yourself and your belief that Bows are inferior.

You @UltimaJoe777 are a prime example of what I mean, I obviously use Bow, but when I got duel wield I have an Easier time playing, and yes bow is inferior how many people are running main hand bow in solo PVP? vMSA? No one so I don't BELIEVE they are "inferior" they are. That's why every stam build uses bow as a support/buff bar. I bet you are just another Fotm Meta player.

@ADarklore Omg this statment. -___- I'm aware that bow and staffs weapon dmg is low and it should be, but that is not the problem. It'sIt's the bow skills and the game mechanics that makes it suck, plus magic builds can play at range and bypass the range penalty (duel wield). Jeez it's like every stam build MUST play Melee or Die! No one is trying to make bow op I just want archers to be an actual role like on other MMO fantasy games.

Destro Staff has a great aoe (pulsar) a quick instant dps skill (crushing shock) ground dot(wall of elements) a debuff etc.

Let's look at the bow
Dot: poison arrow
Aoe: missing
Ground Dot: Volley
Instan cast dps: missing
Utility skill: missing

I am no meta at all, and my archer works a bow just fine by the way and uses Dual Wield to back him up as need be. Despite this I in no way feel a bow is inferior so yes it is a belief. The fact you know of no one that runs it as a main weapon doesn't make it anything else. Furthermore the meta is not absolute. I would also advise you get your facts straight before trying to insult someone, because I play no other MMO beyond ESO and ESO is the ONLY console MMO I have played and ever will play.

Well I have played other MMOs and let me tell ya. Archery is amazing when, I come to this game its absolutely sucks, Since you've never played other fantesy MMO's your argument is already Invalid you've only experienced this game.

Again I don't beleive YOU believe Archery is fine because you dont even use a bow, you never answers my previous questions and haven't provided me any evidence that Its a belief so that's strike 2.

If you wouldn've come in hete with your snotty toxic attitude I would've treated you with more respect. This is a thread duscussing the state of archery if you wish to disagree BE CONSTRUCTIVE next time.

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At this point I give up on Archery in this game. We are in the minory so the devs don't care, and when you try to post out your ideas this toxic community attacks you right away... -___-

OldManJim

I haven't read everything above, but does Scorched Earth now get nerfed for DK's? With bonuses to fire damage etc?

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OldManJim wrote: »

I haven't read everything above, but does Scorched Earth now get nerfed for DK's? With bonuses to fire damage etc?

No scorched earth got a buff which is nice since it scales with mighty, but the topic is about main hand archers im the game currently which is lacking.

Daveheart

So the longest range ability in game (that can hit like a truck), a strong execute DoT, an AoE DoT that gets insanely strong with the maelstrom bow, and the ridiculously broken ability that is Bombard isn't enough for you? You can do a ton up close and personal with melee weapons, but don't come whining that bow is completely broken.

Unless of course, you're talking about PvE DPS. Bow is only really suitable as a DoT utility secondary weapon in PvE.

UltimaJoe777

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Yep, and no mattet how many threads I or others make about bow, the majority will say "it's fine" I just really want to be an Archer....

So be one. Only one stopping you is yourself and your belief that Bows are inferior.

You @UltimaJoe777 are a prime example of what I mean, I obviously use Bow, but when I got duel wield I have an Easier time playing, and yes bow is inferior how many people are running main hand bow in solo PVP? vMSA? No one so I don't BELIEVE they are "inferior" they are. That's why every stam build uses bow as a support/buff bar. I bet you are just another Fotm Meta player.

@ADarklore Omg this statment. -___- I'm aware that bow and staffs weapon dmg is low and it should be, but that is not the problem. It'sIt's the bow skills and the game mechanics that makes it suck, plus magic builds can play at range and bypass the range penalty (duel wield). Jeez it's like every stam build MUST play Melee or Die! No one is trying to make bow op I just want archers to be an actual role like on other MMO fantasy games.

Destro Staff has a great aoe (pulsar) a quick instant dps skill (crushing shock) ground dot(wall of elements) a debuff etc.

Let's look at the bow
Dot: poison arrow
Aoe: missing
Ground Dot: Volley
Instan cast dps: missing
Utility skill: missing

I am no meta at all, and my archer works a bow just fine by the way and uses Dual Wield to back him up as need be. Despite this I in no way feel a bow is inferior so yes it is a belief. The fact you know of no one that runs it as a main weapon doesn't make it anything else. Furthermore the meta is not absolute. I would also advise you get your facts straight before trying to insult someone, because I play no other MMO beyond ESO and ESO is the ONLY console MMO I have played and ever will play.

Well I have played other MMOs and let me tell ya. Archery is amazing when, I come to this game its absolutely sucks, Since you've never played other fantesy MMO's your argument is already Invalid you've only experienced this game.

Again I don't beleive YOU believe Archery is fine because you dont even use a bow, you never answers my previous questions and haven't provided me any evidence that Its a belief so that's strike 2.

If you wouldn've come in hete with your snotty toxic attitude I would've treated you with more respect. This is a thread duscussing the state of archery if you wish yo disagree BE CONSTRUCTIVE next time.

1. I said I never played another MMO on consoles. I have played many an old-school MMO on PC. Runescape was my first, way back in its classic beta days.

2. I don't use a bow? You're not reading my posts then.

3. You're the one being hateful and frankly I don't find either of us being toxic. As for your "initial question" if you mean the one about how many others run bows then I did answer it. Refer to my previous post stating it doesn't matter.

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

At this point I give up on Archery in this game. We are in the minory so the devs don't care, and when you try to post out your ideas this toxic community attacks you right away... -___-

What ideas and what attacks? You're the one getting all defensive for no reason.


Anything else I can clear up for you?

khele23eb17_ESO

Daveheart wrote: »

Unless of course, you're talking about PvE DPS. Bow is only really suitable as a DoT utility secondary weapon in PvE.

Yes we are talking about bow in the role of a main weapon for PvE DPS.

Daveheart

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Daveheart wrote: »

Unless of course, you're talking about PvE DPS. Bow is only really suitable as a DoT utility secondary weapon in PvE.

Yes we are talking about bow in the role of a main weapon for PvE DPS.

Well then, good luck with that. Honestly I think simply making the Marksman set also apply to NPC's (like Hawkeye used to) would do the trick.

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Yep, and no mattet how many threads I or others make about bow, the majority will say "it's fine" I just really want to be an Archer....

So be one. Only one stopping you is yourself and your belief that Bows are inferior.

You @UltimaJoe777 are a prime example of what I mean, I obviously use Bow, but when I got duel wield I have an Easier time playing, and yes bow is inferior how many people are running main hand bow in solo PVP? vMSA? No one so I don't BELIEVE they are "inferior" they are. That's why every stam build uses bow as a support/buff bar. I bet you are just another Fotm Meta player.

@ADarklore Omg this statment. -___- I'm aware that bow and staffs weapon dmg is low and it should be, but that is not the problem. It'sIt's the bow skills and the game mechanics that makes it suck, plus magic builds can play at range and bypass the range penalty (duel wield). Jeez it's like every stam build MUST play Melee or Die! No one is trying to make bow op I just want archers to be an actual role like on other MMO fantasy games.

Destro Staff has a great aoe (pulsar) a quick instant dps skill (crushing shock) ground dot(wall of elements) a debuff etc.

Let's look at the bow
Dot: poison arrow
Aoe: missing
Ground Dot: Volley
Instan cast dps: missing
Utility skill: missing

I am no meta at all, and my archer works a bow just fine by the way and uses Dual Wield to back him up as need be. Despite this I in no way feel a bow is inferior so yes it is a belief. The fact you know of no one that runs it as a main weapon doesn't make it anything else. Furthermore the meta is not absolute. I would also advise you get your facts straight before trying to insult someone, because I play no other MMO beyond ESO and ESO is the ONLY console MMO I have played and ever will play.

Well I have played other MMOs and let me tell ya. Archery is amazing when, I come to this game its absolutely sucks, Since you've never played other fantesy MMO's your argument is already Invalid you've only experienced this game.

Again I don't beleive YOU believe Archery is fine because you dont even use a bow, you never answers my previous questions and haven't provided me any evidence that Its a belief so that's strike 2.

If you wouldn've come in hete with your snotty toxic attitude I would've treated you with more respect. This is a thread duscussing the state of archery if you wish yo disagree BE CONSTRUCTIVE next time.

1. I said I never played another MMO on consoles. I have played many an old-school MMO on PC. Runescape was my first, way back in its classic beta days.

2. I don't use a bow? You're not reading my posts then.

3. You're the one being hateful and frankly I don't find either of us being toxic. As for your "initial question" if you mean the one about how many others run bows then I did answer it. Refer to my previous post stating it doesn't matter.

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

At this point I give up on Archery in this game. We are in the minory so the devs don't care, and when you try to post out your ideas this toxic community attacks you right away... -___-

What ideas and what attacks? You're the one getting all defensive for no reason.


Anything else I can clear up for you?

I think you need to calm down sir,

1.) That's good Runescape was a great MMO where ALL COMBAT roles are viable not just Mages and Warriors if I wanted to be an archer pure I could no Problem but in this game you can't I could type up all the problems bow has now but then this post would be a book.

2.) Yeah you probably don't you claim you maybe as a buff weapon like all other builds? I mean what are you going to do against mobs that are CC immune(giants etc.) Snipe them with a slow projectile as they get close to you? lol

3.) I'm not Toxic YOU ARE, i've seen you in other threads with your snotty know it all attitude and its annoying just like others in this community. You once again Ignored my question saying "it doesn't matter" yet it does matter and since you can't answer that question you argument is automatically invalid.

Idk what you problem is with me but its getting out of hand now, you give no constuctive criticism at all and think you are a know it all.

You're better than this Joe...

BomblePants

Ahem.... I main a bow with no problems at all....
My main bar reads: refreshing shadows, mark target, poison arrow, bombard and scorched earth.... (hides)...

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Daveheart wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Daveheart wrote: »

Unless of course, you're talking about PvE DPS. Bow is only really suitable as a DoT utility secondary weapon in PvE.

Yes we are talking about bow in the role of a main weapon for PvE DPS.

Well then, good luck with that. Honestly I think simply making the Marksman set also apply to NPC's (like Hawkeye used to) would do the trick.

No the problem isn't armor sets or bows base dmg, its the way the skill line is designed,

The bow skill line was designed dor ganking/support this is evident with the follwing skills:

Snipe: has a cast time and travel time and slows your movement speed which makes it useless outside of stealth since the projectile can be dodged/blocked/LOS etc furthermore When facing a cc immune target in PVE (giant) you lose dps since the long shot passive is disabled. If this skill was redesigned to be more solo friendly that would be a huge step for main hand archers.

Volley: powerful gorund based dot but the problem is mobs(melee ones) and players won't stand in that dot unless you are in a zerg (PVP) or the tank has a bos aggroed and stationary(PVE) caltrops is very similar to volley except it snares targets making it usefull.

Scatter shot: oh man this skill SUCKS it has a 10m range while gap closers have a 22m range(LOL) so attempting to kite players is impossible, knocking them back just gives melee builds free CC immunity in which they will continue to spamm gap closers until Rip, same is said for PVE mobs infact some mobs are CC immune.

Bombard: a Cone Aoe, very good as it roots players, but it's difficult to aim sometimes and very expensive. Also certain mobs are immune to Roots in PVE.

If these skills were redesigned bow would be in a better spot, buffing marksmen to include pve mobs won't do much good as long as these skills function the way they do.

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Ahem.... I main a bow with no problems at all....
My main bar reads: refreshing shadows, mark target, poison arrow, bombard and scorched earth.... (hides)...

How effective is that? Can you solo with it? Or do you run in a group? What happens when you fight a mob/player that doesn't stand in the AoE and is immune to roots?

UltimaJoe777

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Yep, and no mattet how many threads I or others make about bow, the majority will say "it's fine" I just really want to be an Archer....

So be one. Only one stopping you is yourself and your belief that Bows are inferior.

You @UltimaJoe777 are a prime example of what I mean, I obviously use Bow, but when I got duel wield I have an Easier time playing, and yes bow is inferior how many people are running main hand bow in solo PVP? vMSA? No one so I don't BELIEVE they are "inferior" they are. That's why every stam build uses bow as a support/buff bar. I bet you are just another Fotm Meta player.

@ADarklore Omg this statment. -___- I'm aware that bow and staffs weapon dmg is low and it should be, but that is not the problem. It'sIt's the bow skills and the game mechanics that makes it suck, plus magic builds can play at range and bypass the range penalty (duel wield). Jeez it's like every stam build MUST play Melee or Die! No one is trying to make bow op I just want archers to be an actual role like on other MMO fantasy games.

Destro Staff has a great aoe (pulsar) a quick instant dps skill (crushing shock) ground dot(wall of elements) a debuff etc.

Let's look at the bow
Dot: poison arrow
Aoe: missing
Ground Dot: Volley
Instan cast dps: missing
Utility skill: missing

I am no meta at all, and my archer works a bow just fine by the way and uses Dual Wield to back him up as need be. Despite this I in no way feel a bow is inferior so yes it is a belief. The fact you know of no one that runs it as a main weapon doesn't make it anything else. Furthermore the meta is not absolute. I would also advise you get your facts straight before trying to insult someone, because I play no other MMO beyond ESO and ESO is the ONLY console MMO I have played and ever will play.

Well I have played other MMOs and let me tell ya. Archery is amazing when, I come to this game its absolutely sucks, Since you've never played other fantesy MMO's your argument is already Invalid you've only experienced this game.

Again I don't beleive YOU believe Archery is fine because you dont even use a bow, you never answers my previous questions and haven't provided me any evidence that Its a belief so that's strike 2.

If you wouldn've come in hete with your snotty toxic attitude I would've treated you with more respect. This is a thread duscussing the state of archery if you wish yo disagree BE CONSTRUCTIVE next time.

1. I said I never played another MMO on consoles. I have played many an old-school MMO on PC. Runescape was my first, way back in its classic beta days.

2. I don't use a bow? You're not reading my posts then.

3. You're the one being hateful and frankly I don't find either of us being toxic. As for your "initial question" if you mean the one about how many others run bows then I did answer it. Refer to my previous post stating it doesn't matter.

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

At this point I give up on Archery in this game. We are in the minory so the devs don't care, and when you try to post out your ideas this toxic community attacks you right away... -___-

What ideas and what attacks? You're the one getting all defensive for no reason.


Anything else I can clear up for you?

I think you need to calm down sir,

1.) That's good Runescape was a great MMO where ALL COMBAT roles are viable not just Mages and Warriors if I wanted to be an archer pure I could no Problem but in this game you can't I could type up all the problems bow has now but then this post would be a book.

2.) Yeah you probably don't you claim you maybe as a buff weapon like all other builds? I mean what are you going to do against mobs that are CC immune(giants etc.) Snipe them with a slow projectile as they get close to you? lol

3.) I'm not Toxic YOU ARE, i've seen you in other threads with your snotty know it all attitude and its annoying just like others in this community. You once again Ignored my question saying "it doesn't matter" yet it does matter and since you can't answer that question you argument is automatically invalid.

Idk what you problem is with me but its getting out of hand now, you give no constuctive criticism at all and think you are a know it all.

You're better than this Joe...

What makes you think I'm not calm? lol

Any good Archer has a close combat back-up. I mean look at Legolas. If I wanted to stay on Bow and stay distant though then I can run a Scatter Shot morph. To relieve any confusion yes my archer is an archer he uses the Bow as a primary offense and swaps to Dual Wield only if he needs to. I am the type to get up on a high place and Snipe though But Bombard and Volley are a great combo when rooting can be done, especially for mob groups. Venom Arrow is a distant casting interrupter which isn't bad in my book. If you don't agree with how the Skill Line is set up though why not give input on just a few things you would like to see, so as not to create a "book" on it lol

I never said you were toxic, I said NEITHER of us appears toxic here. I also in no way give off a "snotty know-it-all attitude" and if it appears so I apologize but that usually circulates from what people expect of others here. Common misconception basically. And indeed it doesn't matter what others do in the long run, only what you do, unless you wish to copy their build. I mean if the entire meta said repeatedly jumping off keep walls was the best way to go would you do it too? Raise your opinions based on yourself man, not statistics. Sometimes things may surprise you.

I have no problem with you, you're the one that's been attacking me. I have also not been criticizing at all, just suggesting and voicing opinions. In a case like this facts are pretty much irrelevant. Some say Bow is bad, some say it's good, so it really does all boil down to belief. I also never claim to be a know-it-all but I do like to pass on what knowledge I do have as that is what knowledge is for: passing on as well as using. So take a deep breath, relax, and take it easy. None of our discussion was ever intended as hostile, even in the posts where I defended myself. You merely perceived it as so.

disintegr8

I like the bow. Both of my tanks have bow on the second bar, primarily used as initial attack while closing the gap. Bombard is great in dungeons for rooting close grouped mobs in place while the DD's attack them when there is no boss to take on.

In PVE soloing it is actually my main weapon, as I start the fight form a distance and switch over only when I need to, by which time the targets have lost a good portion of their health anyway. I know it doesn't do as much damage as melee weapons but using it while closing the gap and then switching to sword and shield works for me.

Nénlindë

I honestly have no issues with the bow skill line as is, and I'm excited to try out the new skills we're getting for it! (Tweaked skills).

Try running the new Marksman set, and a 5 piece Hundings with Molag Kena shoulders as a Nightblade. You'll enjoy the 1shot snipes on everybody

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UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Yep, and no mattet how many threads I or others make about bow, the majority will say "it's fine" I just really want to be an Archer....

So be one. Only one stopping you is yourself and your belief that Bows are inferior.

You @UltimaJoe777 are a prime example of what I mean, I obviously use Bow, but when I got duel wield I have an Easier time playing, and yes bow is inferior how many people are running main hand bow in solo PVP? vMSA? No one so I don't BELIEVE they are "inferior" they are. That's why every stam build uses bow as a support/buff bar. I bet you are just another Fotm Meta player.

@ADarklore Omg this statment. -___- I'm aware that bow and staffs weapon dmg is low and it should be, but that is not the problem. It'sIt's the bow skills and the game mechanics that makes it suck, plus magic builds can play at range and bypass the range penalty (duel wield). Jeez it's like every stam build MUST play Melee or Die! No one is trying to make bow op I just want archers to be an actual role like on other MMO fantasy games.

Destro Staff has a great aoe (pulsar) a quick instant dps skill (crushing shock) ground dot(wall of elements) a debuff etc.

Let's look at the bow
Dot: poison arrow
Aoe: missing
Ground Dot: Volley
Instan cast dps: missing
Utility skill: missing

I am no meta at all, and my archer works a bow just fine by the way and uses Dual Wield to back him up as need be. Despite this I in no way feel a bow is inferior so yes it is a belief. The fact you know of no one that runs it as a main weapon doesn't make it anything else. Furthermore the meta is not absolute. I would also advise you get your facts straight before trying to insult someone, because I play no other MMO beyond ESO and ESO is the ONLY console MMO I have played and ever will play.

Well I have played other MMOs and let me tell ya. Archery is amazing when, I come to this game its absolutely sucks, Since you've never played other fantesy MMO's your argument is already Invalid you've only experienced this game.

Again I don't beleive YOU believe Archery is fine because you dont even use a bow, you never answers my previous questions and haven't provided me any evidence that Its a belief so that's strike 2.

If you wouldn've come in hete with your snotty toxic attitude I would've treated you with more respect. This is a thread duscussing the state of archery if you wish yo disagree BE CONSTRUCTIVE next time.

1. I said I never played another MMO on consoles. I have played many an old-school MMO on PC. Runescape was my first, way back in its classic beta days.

2. I don't use a bow? You're not reading my posts then.

3. You're the one being hateful and frankly I don't find either of us being toxic. As for your "initial question" if you mean the one about how many others run bows then I did answer it. Refer to my previous post stating it doesn't matter.

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

At this point I give up on Archery in this game. We are in the minory so the devs don't care, and when you try to post out your ideas this toxic community attacks you right away... -___-

What ideas and what attacks? You're the one getting all defensive for no reason.


Anything else I can clear up for you?

I think you need to calm down sir,

1.) That's good Runescape was a great MMO where ALL COMBAT roles are viable not just Mages and Warriors if I wanted to be an archer pure I could no Problem but in this game you can't I could type up all the problems bow has now but then this post would be a book.

2.) Yeah you probably don't you claim you maybe as a buff weapon like all other builds? I mean what are you going to do against mobs that are CC immune(giants etc.) Snipe them with a slow projectile as they get close to you? lol

3.) I'm not Toxic YOU ARE, i've seen you in other threads with your snotty know it all attitude and its annoying just like others in this community. You once again Ignored my question saying "it doesn't matter" yet it does matter and since you can't answer that question you argument is automatically invalid.

Idk what you problem is with me but its getting out of hand now, you give no constuctive criticism at all and think you are a know it all.

You're better than this Joe...

What makes you think I'm not calm? lol

Any good Archer has a close combat back-up. I mean look at Legolas. If I wanted to stay on Bow and stay distant though then I can run a Scatter Shot morph. To relieve any confusion yes my archer is an archer he uses the Bow as a primary offense and swaps to Dual Wield only if he needs to. I am the type to get up on a high place and Snipe though But Bombard and Volley are a great combo when rooting can be done, especially for mob groups. Venom Arrow is a distant casting interrupter which isn't bad in my book. If you don't agree with how the Skill Line is set up though why not give input on just a few things you would like to see, so as not to create a "book" on it lol

I never said you were toxic, I said NEITHER of us appears toxic here. I also in no way give off a "snotty know-it-all attitude" and if it appears so I apologize but that usually circulates from what people expect of others here. Common misconception basically. And indeed it doesn't matter what others do in the long run, only what you do, unless you wish to copy their build. I mean if the entire meta said repeatedly jumping off keep walls was the best way to go would you do it too? Raise your opinions based on yourself man, not statistics. Sometimes things may surprise you.

I have no problem with you, you're the one that's been attacking me. I have also not been criticizing at all, just suggesting and voicing opinions. In a case like this facts are pretty much irrelevant. Some say Bow is bad, some say it's good, so it really does all boil down to belief. I also never claim to be a know-it-all but I do like to pass on what knowledge I do have as that is what knowledge is for: passing on as well as using. So take a deep breath, relax, and take it easy. None of our discussion was ever intended as hostile, even in the posts where I defended myself. You merely perceived it as so.

Yep, it seems so.... you are right though, archers should( and usually have a back up melee weapon) however stamina melee builds overshadow stam ranged stamina builds which makes sense since they are at a higher risk, but my main problem with the bow is how the skills were designed.

I replied to someone earlier in this thread about my preceived problems with the bow but hopefully that can shine light on my frustration with the bow skill line. I've never playes a fantasy game where there aren't pure bow builds and it saddened me.

I for one never meant and hostility towards you or anyone but usually when topics like these come by most people attack me. I made a thread Titled "Redesign the Bow Skill line" and the majority of post there were "You need to L2P bow is fine" without any explanation although I explain why I believe bow is slightly lacking.

But then again I really don't expect changes Since only a fraction of the player base actually cares about archery soo yeah.....

sly007

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

Read the Patch Notes, and I love the changes so far.... heavy armor tanks got buffed, vamps got buffed, FG etc. But archery got very little buffs.

Poison injectiom got a 12% increase, that's good.
Draining shot got a heal after its use (although Idk how it works)

And that's it *sigh* I guess it's safe to say that archers are in the minority in this game I guess not alot of people try to main hand a bow in this game hence the small buffs each update.

I guess my favorite play style will be left in the dust.....

As a matter of fact that isn't it. Scorched Earth has changed into a physical damage attack. See the quote below:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote:

Renamed this morph to Endless Hail.
Redesigned this morph so it now increases the duration of the arrow volley to 10 seconds, reduces the cost, and deals Physical Damage instead of Flame Damage.

Personally though I liked it better as Scorched Earth...

Still not enough to make bow a main weapon.

Yep, and no mattet how many threads I or others make about bow, the majority will say "it's fine" I just really want to be an Archer....

So be one. Only one stopping you is yourself and your belief that Bows are inferior.

You @UltimaJoe777 are a prime example of what I mean, I obviously use Bow, but when I go duel wield I have an Easier time playing, and yes bow is inferior how many people are running main hand bow in solo PVP? vMSA? No one so I don't BELIEVE they are "inferior" they are. That's why every stam build uses bow as a support/buff bar. I bet you are just another Fotm Meta player.

@ADarklore Omg this statment. -___- I'm aware that bow and staffs weapon dmg is low and it should be, but that is not the problem. It'sIt's the bow skills and the game mechanics that makes it suck, plus magic builds can play at range and bypass the range penalty (duel wield). Jeez it's like every stam build MUST play Melee or Die! No one is trying to make bow op I just want archers to be an actual role like in other MMO fantasy games.

Destro Staff has a great aoe (pulsar) a quick instant dps skill (crushing shock) ground dot(wall of elements) a debuff etc.

Let's look at the bow
Dot: poison arrow
Aoe: missing
Ground Dot: Volley
Instan cast dps: missing
Utility skill: missing

False. Bow may be inferior when fighting in melee but it's great at range.
Dots : poison injection, volley
Aoe: volley, arrow spary ( does more damage than steel to Bardo and can be morphed for dot damage)
Instant dps: this is miss leading. My lethal arrow to tips for 15.5k damage, that is increased by 12% at a longer distance. You can also proc the Hawkeye passive to increase the damage by another 15%. Bow is inferior at melee range but definitely superior at long range.

BTW, this is without any monster sets or maelstrom weapons.

Taisynn

I use mainhand as a bow and I do really well in this game. I'm a sole bow user and I've never had an issue with DPS. I have two AOE's, a bunch of damage over time effects, and I do a lot of damage at long range.

I don't know what the issue is - though I will miss fire damage on scortched earth.