How Many Sorc Mains Are Re-Rolling?

dimensional

How come none of my guildmates have any problem being competitive as a sorc, in either PvP or PvE?

Valrien

I'm rerolling my Magicka Sorc main.

dimensional wrote: »

How come none of my guildmates have any problem being competitive as a sorc, in either PvP or PvE?

Well what's their DPS in vMoL compared to players of other classes that are of equal skill?

dimensional

IDK I'll ask them though and post later on.

Makkir

I'm not rerolling my Magicka Sorc main.

Rylana wrote: »

Why the hell would we reroll, lololol

We just got stronger

@Rylana Yeah I really don't understand all the Chicken Littles here....

olsborg

Other?

I rerolled to stam nb a while ago, like 1 year ago almost, when they nerfed the only thing that made soloing sorc in cyrodiil viable, streak.

Drazkyth

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Dymence

I'm not rerolling my Magicka Sorc main.

These are my most recent parses in vMoL, sorc dips are still up there I'd say.

First boss:

Second boss:

Got no parses on last though, as I'm running the outer maze thingy there.

AOECAPS

I love the qq from all sorcs.cant wait to see all of the console sorcs reroll (which they will all be Stam NB since they all pine over sypher) they thought they were the best players ever lmao

AOECAPS

The-Baconator wrote: »

Most over-hyped change on PTS. Shield spam under extreme pressure or just sorcs on 100% defensive with any brain matter will still be incredibly tanky, if not tankier, while trashcan sorcs will get absolutely melted by players that can manage to count to six. I want to see the changes on live but as a sorc I don't really see how most that are looking out for their own viability are that concerned.

That's the thing though you have a small percent of sorcs that can actually play the class and the. You have the other 98% that rolled it because of shield stack and overload they don't have a real feel for the class.

iam117

Dymence wrote: »

These are my most recent parses in vMoL, sorc dips are still up there I'd say.

First boss:

Second boss:

Got no parses on last though, as I'm running the outer maze thingy there.

thank you for posting these dymence glad your still making it work!

as for the shield changes for pvp, this is better than it was, your ward shouldnt be lasting more that 6 seconds, if someone cant force a recast in 6 seconds you should have killed them already, it got a major buff now that it deals with all dmg types.

i dont main a sorc but this patch will not be "forcing" me to shelve it either.

magnusthorek

Untouched Magicka Sorcerer? Are you f**king kidding me? I'll probably stop playing with mine for a while...

Stikato

I'm not rerolling my Stamina Sorc main.

Whether you love the change, hate it, or are indifferent, one thing that is clear is that the concept of gradual balance and adjustment is completely foreign to ZOS.

It took two years to make a change to Hardened Ward, and the solution was to nerf the duration by 70%?

LOL

Septimus_Magna

Other?

Dymence wrote: »

These are my most recent parses in vMoL, sorc dips are still up there I'd say.

First boss:

Second boss:

Got no parses on last though, as I'm running the outer maze thingy there.

Impressive dps for sure but there's only 3 sorc skills in these parses.

5.4 - 5.6k dps from Liquid Lightning (small ground aoe)
2.2 - 2.8k dps from Mages Wrath (execute below 20%)
1.7 - 3.1k dps from Crystal Frags (when procced)

What makes sorcs standout from other magicka classes?
Does it really come down to these three skills?

Dymence

I'm not rerolling my Magicka Sorc main.

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Dymence wrote: »

These are my most recent parses in vMoL, sorc dips are still up there I'd say.

First boss:

Second boss:

Got no parses on last though, as I'm running the outer maze thingy there.

Impressive dps for sure but there's only 3 sorc skills in these parses.

5.4 - 5.6k dps from Liquid Lightning (small ground aoe)
2.2 - 2.8k dps from Mages Wrath (execute below 20%)
1.7 - 3.1k dps from Crystal Frags (when procced)

What makes sorcs standout from other magicka classes?
Does it really come down to these three skills?

Isn't practically every class the same?

NateAssassin

Got a vr16 NB already, and a vr1 magblade waiting for vet removal, too bad I suck balls at playing NB.

magnusthorek

That's a very impressive DPS. I guess I never reached that much against a boss

Dredlord

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

So a class finally gets balanced now people dont want to play it because its not easy mode?

"balanced"

Did you really think a class spec should be able to provide you with tank, dps, and mobility? Most class specs only give you one of those, a few gave you 2 of those. No one should have all 3

Quoted for truth and balance...

Dredlord

Xundiin wrote: »

Fixing shield stacking is one thing, you know like adding it to where if you have one shield up different ones couldn't be up. But making all our shields last 6 seconds? really? I know we're mobile..... but we also have less health, from my understanding, than other classes. This is kinda a slap in the face. Either I'm going Stam sorc or just go back to playing my Healblade.

So you see this is the kind of information a knee jerker reroll the new fotm class/spec is making decisions by....

- sorcs have less health than other classes? Because thats how you built your sorc, off a guide on the net. No wonder you know so little about the class
- making all our (sorc) shields only 6 seconds? Other classes already had 6 second shields...
- he knows hes mobile tho...
- its not balance its a slap in the face?

FriedEggSandwich

I'm not rerolling my Magicka Sorc main.

I've been using just hardened ward in pvp for a while, and I've had to tank up underneath to make it work. My ward never lasts more than 6 seconds as a result, so I'm fine with the change. I'm more salty about the buff to annulment; didn't know magicka dks/templars needed more survivability.

Barlthump

Dredlord wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

Fixing shield stacking is one thing, you know like adding it to where if you have one shield up different ones couldn't be up. But making all our shields last 6 seconds? really? I know we're mobile..... but we also have less health, from my understanding, than other classes. This is kinda a slap in the face. Either I'm going Stam sorc or just go back to playing my Healblade.

So you see this is the kind of information a knee jerker reroll the new fotm class/spec is making decisions by....

- sorcs have less health than other classes? Because thats how you built your sorc, off a guide on the net. No wonder you know so little about the class
- making all our (sorc) shields only 6 seconds? Other classes already had 6 second shields...
- he knows hes mobile tho...
- its not balance its a slap in the face?

Dont bother, it's a sorc thread, just grab popcorn and slurp the Newb tears with your sippy cup. Watching them RAGE and QQ is making my day at work. I even favourited this thread for gags.

TheBull

Other?

Why because you need to press ward when needed?

ArchMikem

I don't understand what reroll means, but my first character was a Magicka Sorcerer that I had the most horrible time with all the way to Vet13, and when I finished Cadwell's Gold I decided to play a different class.

Have to say, I REALLY miss using my Streak, Hardened Ward, and Crystal Fragments combo.

thejynxed

I see a lot of people poo-pooing on Stam Sorcs, totally ignoring the large buffs to heavy armor + the addition of poisons. I have a sneaky suspicion that once people get a feel for what it's like to be able to play that particular combo without the crutch (and yes, it was a crutch) of the current Wrecking Blow, that some tunes will be changing. I mean seriously, there isn't a class in the game that will be able to outrun you outside of NB escaping with a cloak or teleport (and sometimes not even then), and you'll be able to use magicka/stamina ravage + slow poisons on top of being nigh unkillable.

If you're willing to can an entire class that you've invested time and resources into over something that can and will be changed (skills) by game devs on a regular basis, I wonder if you aren't playing the wrong genre of online game (or you never played WoW/Guild Wars, which would have weekly changes to said skills).

RinaldoGandolphi

olsborg wrote: »

I rerolled to stam nb a while ago, like 1 year ago almost, when they nerfed the only thing that made soloing sorc in cyrodiil viable, streak.

Yup this was around the time i started leveling my Templar and i currently pvp more with him then i do my Sorc. I really didn't care for nor like the shield stacking thing, i liked the class for its kiting and since they killed that aspect of it, it just hasn't been as fun hence i hadn't played it as much.

RinaldoGandolphi

thejynxed wrote: »

I see a lot of people poo-pooing on Stam Sorcs, totally ignoring the large buffs to heavy armor + the addition of poisons. I have a sneaky suspicion that once people get a feel for what it's like to be able to play that particular combo without the crutch (and yes, it was a crutch) of the current Wrecking Blow, that some tunes will be changing. I mean seriously, there isn't a class in the game that will be able to outrun you outside of NB escaping with a cloak or teleport (and sometimes not even then), and you'll be able to use magicka/stamina ravage + slow poisons on top of being nigh unkillable.

Speed and mobility is the only reason i decided to roll a Orc Stam Sorc and i decided to do this before the PTS patch notes came out because im sick of having no mobility at all as a magic Sorc and being punished for trying to re position(thanks Streak cost stacking) Unless your a Stam Sorc Nightblades are the only class in the game that are solo friendly and have a decent chance to escape zergs thanks to speed buff, dodge chance, teleport, and cloak...Sorcs just keep getting a +%0% cost increase stacked on them exponentially for trying to do the same thing. Since magic Sorc's don't have much stamina the Boundless Storm nerf hurt bad.

Stam Sorcs won't be the most powerful nor unkillable, i think they will be the closest thing this game has to a hybrid class and will make use of more weapon and non-class abilties only using a few class abilties for utility, but i think a Stamblade will still be more powerful.

Alsaroth

I'm rerolling my Magicka Sorc main.

Down goes the Ward skills to 6 sec. Down goes my pet-build. Gonna try and do tank sorc instead.

Devilhand

I'm not rerolling my Magicka Sorc main.

For all those that are winning beacuse of the duration of the shields... Adapt like everyone else had to do it for the past 2 years.

The glorious days of running as glasscannon (max magicka, max spell dmg, no health/regen) are gone. Sorcerers been OP since day 1 in BETA, glasscannon builds with 40k health where 20k of that health is uncritable and recastable with 2 clicks (hardened ward and harness magicka).
Like everyone else had to do it, especialy DK's and templars, learn to adapt. Remake your builds and you should be fine.

TequilaFire

I'm not rerolling my Magicka Sorc main.

I will just give up off hand healing which is a thankless job anyway and put harness and ward on the same bar now.

RinaldoGandolphi

Devilhand wrote: »

. Sorcerers been OP since day 1 in BETA, glasscannon builds with 40k health where 20k of that health is uncritable and recastable with 2 clicks (hardened ward and harness magicka).

This is simply not true. I have been a Sorc since day one and its simply not true. The only thing that was slightly unbalanced on Sorcs early on was Streak Building Ultimate to spam Negates which was shut down in a hurry, DK's were left nearly untouchable for over a year.

You look back at Vids of Teargrants, Ezareth, Cinnamon Spider, heck if i had a Youtube Channel i'd upload mine....none of us was double or triple stacking shields...what we were doing was when outnumbered we were using mobility to split apart large groups turning 8-9 vs 1 into manageable 1v1 or 2v1 cases where we could get a more even fight...

Sorcs were the direct counter to zergs because Sorcs could escape zergs and force you to fight them on more fair terms and this made a lot of people mad "its not fair i get zerged but the Sorc don't" so they nerfed the tar out of our mobility with Bolt Escape.

so then Sorcs started camping Mines and tripe stacking shields face tanking multiple people at a time simply because we could no longer run away when it was 12 vs 1....

the hate for Sorc's has always been entrenched in irrationality....Retreat should never be allowed in the minds of many in this game...retreat shoudl enver be a viable tactic when outnumbered...Even back in the 1.x days that 1 Sorc would escape and run away from someone and their 8 friends, yet they would run into a Dragonknight who would Drop a Standard of Might, get back all of his resources with Battle Roar and then proceed to Talon and Whip their face off, killing that person and his 8 friends, but they were still mad about that one Sorc who ran away....totally irrational....nothing more to be said.

The magic Sorc hate will always be real....

Surak73

I'm not rerolling my Magicka Sorc main.

Dredlord wrote: »

- making all our (sorc) shields only 6 seconds? Other classes already had 6 second shields...

Perfect. So you are all for a reduction to 6 secs for other damage reduction skills as well - such as shuffle, double take, immovable, obsidian shield - aren't you?... Or in this case 20 secs (13.5 for immovable) is fine enough?...