Crafting Bags (Perk?)

Taisynn

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/261499/crating-bag-exclusivity-is-unfair/p1

There was a thread that got locked about crafting bags. I am against putting it in the crown store. Let us subscribers have one nice thing.

I'll just quote my response here:

Look, if you do the math, subscribers pay more overtime; we hardly get anything except maybe 3 days off our research time and barely enough crowns to buy anything real nice. We also lose everything (including DLC) when we stop subscribing.

People who pay for the DLC get that -forever.- It can't be taken from them. You cannot compare yourselves to a subscriber, because you keep everything even if you stop paying.

DLC purchasers get everything forever.

Let subscribers have one thing: an unlimited crafting bag as an incentive to pay more.

You DLC purchasers pay $180 for forever access.

We subscribers pay $180 for something temporary. We stop paying we lose access.

Let us have ONE nice incentive. Your nice incentive is your forever-acess.

LET US SUBSCRIBERS HAVE ONE NICE THING.

And

I'll stop paying my subscription if they give this to non-subscribing payers.

If you guys pay less for forever access, why shouldn't I?

Seriously. What about this being a nice incentive for people who lose their investment once they stop
paying?

You are all paying cheaper something you keep forever.

Subscribers are paying more for something temporary.

It is NOT equal.

emily3989

Was not referring to ZOS perspective, rather all the QQing going on by subs on these forums about how they are the only ones that support the game.

I completely understand why ZOS would make it sub only, and I really don't have a problem with it, but if it went into the store and 10,000 people like me paid $30 for it, I don't see how that is not helping the company put out better future content.

emily3989

Taisynn wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/261499/crating-bag-exclusivity-is-unfair/p1

There was a thread that got locked about crafting bags. I am against putting it in the crown store. Let us subscribers have one nice thing.

I'll just quote my response here:

Look, if you do the math, subscribers pay more overtime; we hardly get anything except maybe 3 days off our research time and barely enough crowns to buy anything real nice. We also lose everything (including DLC) when we stop subscribing.

People who pay for the DLC get that -forever.- It can't be taken from them. You cannot compare yourselves to a subscriber, because you keep everything even if you stop paying.

DLC purchasers get everything forever.

Let subscribers have one thing: an unlimited crafting bag as an incentive to pay more.

You DLC purchasers pay $180 for forever access.

We subscribers pay $180 for something temporary. We stop paying we lose access.

Let us have ONE nice incentive. Your nice incentive is your forever-acess.

LET US SUBSCRIBERS HAVE ONE NICE THING.

And

I'll stop paying my subscription if they give this to non-subscribing payers.

If you guys pay less for forever access, why shouldn't I?

Seriously. What about this being a nice incentive for people who lose their investment once they stop
paying?

You are all paying cheaper something you keep forever.

Subscribers are paying more for something temporary.

It is NOT equal.

You just gave a great comprehensive explanation of why one should cancel their sub. If your whole argument is that subs pay more money and get basically nothing long term for it, then why would you sub?

DragonSamurai360

Taisynn wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/261499/crating-bag-exclusivity-is-unfair/p1

There was a thread that got locked about crafting bags. I am against putting it in the crown store. Let us subscribers have one nice thing.

I'll just quote my response here:

Look, if you do the math, subscribers pay more overtime; we hardly get anything except maybe 3 days off our research time and barely enough crowns to buy anything real nice. We also lose everything (including DLC) when we stop subscribing.

People who pay for the DLC get that -forever.- It can't be taken from them. You cannot compare yourselves to a subscriber, because you keep everything even if you stop paying.

DLC purchasers get everything forever.

Let subscribers have one thing: an unlimited crafting bag as an incentive to pay more.

You DLC purchasers pay $180 for forever access.

We subscribers pay $180 for something temporary. We stop paying we lose access.

Let us have ONE nice incentive. Your nice incentive is your forever-acess.

LET US SUBSCRIBERS HAVE ONE NICE THING.

And

I'll stop paying my subscription if they give this to non-subscribing payers.

If you guys pay less for forever access, why shouldn't I?

Seriously. What about this being a nice incentive for people who lose their investment once they stop
paying?

You are all paying cheaper something you keep forever.

Subscribers are paying more for something temporary.

It is NOT equal.

I have to say after watching this thread quite a bit I couldn't agree more.

EDIT: This comment below is directed at the entire thread as a whole.

I pay my subscription every month and haven't cancelled it once or even thought about cancelling it since I switched from PC to Xbox One, as I play on Xbox One now compared to the end of 2015 when I used to play on PC. The unlimited space and access to the Crafting Bags needs to stay exclusive to ESO PLUS subscribers. Just like certain games and DLC's on PC, PS4, & Xbox One they all add incentives to get you to buy the associated product on one platform or another or get you to buy another platform entirely if the associated product is exclusive to that platform. This is no different because crafting bags are exclusive to ESO PLUS, they are trying to incentivize you to pay the subscription which isn't that expensive. I don't think it's fair how we ESO PLUS subscribers spend $14.99 a month for DLC access that you guys can pretty much buy at one time to have access forever which is almost nothing. The Crafting Bags have long been anticipated and I think this feature will be better than all 4 DLC's put together and with that in mind I hope ZOS does NOT add it to the Crown Store, as subscribing to the game should be a lot more worth it than what it currently is. The Crafting Bag feature will indeed make this game really worth subscribing to, and should continue to stay exclusive to ESO PLUS member for the remaining duration of the games lifetime. I have saved a lot of money over a years time just to buy a PS4 for console exclusives, meaning you want the crafting bags that bad then do like what everybody else does and save money out of your budget to buy the subscription.

emily3989

It is more than a convenience item. Someone with a crafting bag has a decided advantage to someone that does not in terms of ability to earn in-game money. If you can hold 10X the resources that I can, you will be able to make more money, therefore be able to purchase upgrades to your character, thus giving you an advantage.

Bottom line:
Subs = "only us!!!"
Non-Subs = "why not crown store???"

Prediction of what is going to happen:

1 month after DB launch, if subs increase considerably, this will remain sub-only, if subs do not increase, then you will see them show up in the crown store.

Jayne_Doe

I'm torn on this one a little bit, since I used to be a subscriber. I subscribed faithfully on PC since early access and have the tiger senche to prove it. I made the transfer to XBone and subscribed to ESO+ until January of this year. Why did I unsub? Because of the unreliability of ESO+ on consoles. Not getting my monthly Crowns, plus losing access to my in-game bonuses from time to time was not fun. Having to micromanage my subscription was a PITA.

Now, I support the game by purchasing the DLC and other Crown Store items. I believe I'm still just as LOYAL as the ESO+ members.

I understand entirely that the ESO+ membership needs to have better perks, but this is one perk that provides a decided advantage and is behind an arbitrary paywall. Why should it be something exclusive to Plus members? Why can't I, as a LOYAL player have access to this? It's not like an exclusive mount - it's a quality of life item. And it's not just convenience either, as they keep adding more and more items in-game (new alchemy re-agents and oils as well as all the new crafting style materials, e.g.), it's going to become increasingly difficult and burdensome as a non-ESO+ member.

ESO+ members say "Save up and become a plus member." I say "I am saving up and buying Crown packs for all the things I want, so I'm just as loyal." Why should I have to switch how I've chosen to be loyal to obtain such a game-changing advantage?

Yes, ESO+ members should have something nice and exclusive - many, in fact - but I don't believe this should be it.

That said, I doubt they'll change it, so I'd like to see limited versions of these for sale in the Crown Store. Something that will ease the other half of the LOYAL players' burden. These could be bags that have limited slots and take up a space in your bank. They could even separate them out into alchemy bags, provisioning bags, etc. - each taking up a bank slot. There are ways this could be handled so that LOYAL non-ESO+ players can have access to something that will ease the ever-growing inventory burden. Can we meet in the middle here?

DragonSamurai360

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

I'm torn on this one a little bit, since I used to be a subscriber. I subscribed faithfully on PC since early access and have the tiger senche to prove it. I made the transfer to XBone and subscribed to ESO+ until January of this year. Why did I unsub? Because of the unreliability of ESO+ on consoles. Not getting my monthly Crowns, plus losing access to my in-game bonuses from time to time was not fun. Having to micromanage my subscription was a PITA.

Now, I support the game by purchasing the DLC and other Crown Store items. I believe I'm still just as LOYAL as the ESO+ members.

I understand entirely that the ESO+ membership needs to have better perks, but this is one perk that provides a decided advantage and is behind an arbitrary paywall. Why should it be something exclusive to Plus members? Why can't I, as a LOYAL player have access to this? It's not like an exclusive mount - it's a quality of life item. And it's not just convenience either, as they keep adding more and more items in-game (new alchemy re-agents and oils as well as all the new crafting style materials, e.g.), it's going to become increasingly difficult and burdensome as a non-ESO+ member.

ESO+ members say "Save up and become a plus member." I say "I am saving up and buying Crown packs for all the things I want, so I'm just as loyal." Why should I have to switch how I've chosen to be loyal to obtain such a game-changing advantage?

Yes, ESO+ members should have something nice and exclusive - many, in fact - but I don't believe this should be it.

That said, I doubt they'll change it, so I'd like to see limited versions of these for sale in the Crown Store. Something that will ease the other half of the LOYAL players' burden. These could be bags that have limited slots and take up a space in your bank. They could even separate them out into alchemy bags, provisioning bags, etc. - each taking up a bank slot. There are ways this could be handled so that LOYAL non-ESO+ players can have access to something that will ease the ever-growing inventory burden. Can we meet in the middle here?

I would agree to meet in the middle on this, but it would have to have it's capabilities decreased by A LOT. Now what could be fair is the non-plus member bags in the crown store could work like bank space, when you buy it it would be one bag that would be universal. Meaning you could deposit a mix of crafting materials not just one classification of material with 10 slots for 1000 crowns, in turn this one bag could only take up one slot in a characters bank. However like bank space the account would only be able to buy so many until they reach a limit. I think this would be fair, if done correctly a non-plus members total account space counting bank, each individual characters space (if you use separate characters for storage), and crafting bag could be doubled or tripled, which I think is more than fair. I still think the unlimited space capability of the crafting bag needs to stay for ESO Plus members only. Otherwise I say if it has unlimited space for non-plus members it needs to cost something along the lines of 10,000-50,000 Crowns, as something of this magnitude has to have a major price point in some sort of fashion, as it's a real game changer.

Balibe

Below is what was discussed at the PAX Dark Brotherhood Round Table regarding Crafting Bags.....

Link: [PAX] Dark Brotherhood Round Table Transcript

Q13: Um, craft bags. How much stuff can I stuff in it?

RL: A ***-ton.
LS: Using a technical term!
QA: So like, my entire bank is food which I would love to clear up because I have one character which I have to hold the maps you get at the beginning of the game and so I have to relog a lot which means I'd love to be able to use my bank for other things. Is there a limit?
RL: There is a limit, it's a really really really big number. I think it's something like 42-billion or something like that. It's insane. I am sure someone will figure out a way to fill it completely but it's unrealistic!


Q27: Are crafting bags just for ESO+ members?

RL: Yes.

Q28: Okay so if you are like me and forget to renew your credit card and happen to miss the date it expires what happens to the stuff in your crafting bags and your sub lapses?

RL: You can't put anything into the bags but you can take stuff out as required.

Volkodav

emily3989 wrote: »

I don't understand the thought process on how those that buy and spend crowns are not contributing to the advancement of the game.

If you buy a subscription for 6 months that is $90. If I but $90 worth of crowns during this time, how exactly have you contributed more to the company?

Do you plan to buy $90.00 worth of crowns every 6 months as a commitment? Can ZOS depend on your money every 6 months? Just wondering.Not being snarky,but it's a point.

emily3989

Volkodav wrote: »

emily3989 wrote: »

I don't understand the thought process on how those that buy and spend crowns are not contributing to the advancement of the game.

If you buy a subscription for 6 months that is $90. If I but $90 worth of crowns during this time, how exactly have you contributed more to the company?

Do you plan to buy $90.00 worth of crowns every 6 months as a commitment? Can ZOS depend on your money every 6 months? Just wondering.Not being snarky,but it's a point.

It's not a point. Most subs are arguing that they are the ones supporting the game. It does not matter if I spend $1 or $500 every 6 months, it is still going into their pockets.

JKorr

emily3989 wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

emily3989 wrote: »

I don't understand the thought process on how those that buy and spend crowns are not contributing to the advancement of the game.

If you buy a subscription for 6 months that is $90. If I but $90 worth of crowns during this time, how exactly have you contributed more to the company?

Do you plan to buy $90.00 worth of crowns every 6 months as a commitment? Can ZOS depend on your money every 6 months? Just wondering.Not being snarky,but it's a point.

It's not a point. Most subs are arguing that they are the ones supporting the game. It does not matter if I spend $1 or $500 every 6 months, it is still going into their pockets.

Yes, it does.

My sub price will be there every month. It is stable income.

This six month period you spend $500. It is a large amount, here and available now.

Next six month period my sub is still there, stable. You spend, for 6 months, $1.00.

They get the money in both cases. Which plan allows for budget projections and new content development?

The money goes to the game in both cases, however one method might be more helpful than the other.

maboleth

My main problem with this isn't the Crafting bags bonus for E+, but the thing that you gain 10% XP with E+.
I'd really like if that could be optional. That keeps me away from the Plus package.

myrrrorb14_ESO

emily3989 wrote: »

Was not referring to ZOS perspective, rather all the QQing going on by subs on these forums about how they are the only ones that support the game.

I completely understand why ZOS would make it sub only, and I really don't have a problem with it, but if it went into the store and 10,000 people like me paid $30 for it, I don't see how that is not helping the company put out better future content.

Yeah, there is a lot of elitism on the forums. ZOS needs both subs and pay as you go customers.

One of the few perks subs have is the research reduction, which is pretty much at its end (even console is pretty close to 9 traits). Without any benefits it's hard to justify a subscription. Especially considering it's much cheaper to just buy the DLCs. Having the craft bags will keep me subbing, so others will as well (I'm not that unique). If it was put in the store for $30 or even $60 I would buy it and just be done with it. But with a renewing cost each month they get $15 every month and that adds up.

The only way it would make sense in the Crown store would be to have it be a 1 month rental for crowns. And I'm not sure how well that would go over paying 1500 crowns for something you don't keep forever.

Vangy

"Crafting bags" are already in crown store. Its called your bank. ZOS just needs to remove bank caps so people can upgrade slots to infinity and beyond. Ta-dah. Craft bags. If craft bags came out on crown store who the heck is going to buy the 10 bank slots for 1k crowns lol? Bank becomes obsolete with craft bags. Considering 99% of the armour/weapons in this game are junk... 90% of my bank is just crafting materials. That bag would need to cost well upwards of 30k crowns using the 1k crowns per 10 slots benchmark that is currently on crown store now lol.

emily3989

If the sub #s go up at DB, then I am accepting the fact that we will not see these things in the crown store for a very long time, if ever. If sub #s do not go up, or even falter, then there is no telling what they might do for a quick cash grab. I mean, there are only so many differing cat or guar skins you can continue to sell, and xp scroll sales are going to go down the tubes with not having to lvl any alts past 50.

Balibe

They talked about the new crafting bags on ESO Live yesterday .....

You get a new item bag that is seen in game when you are in inventory instead of the original bag animation. They showed it, looks like an open square box with a goblet and other items. Looks better that the standard bag.

The crafting bags are account wide. If I understand it correctly, all your alts will have access to the same resources in the bag.

When crafting, items are pulled from the crafting bag just like the your bank.

Fishing bait like worms, etc can also be stored in crafting bags as they are used in some crafting.

Now the BIG ONE ..... Each item stacks to 4.25 BILLION!! ... yes I said BILLION. That is 4.25 billion for each item and not a total of all items. If you have 30 items in the bag, the cap is 127.5 billion. So the cap for the bags is for the most part endless. If you have more that 4.25 billion of one item, extras will roll over to you inventory and not be deleted.

Kayira

Before everything escalates here again. There was a discussion on this topic before and it went to agressive very quickly. Overall you can summarise it as everyone who subs wants it as a perk for subs alone and everyone who bought crowns and dlc's wants it purchasable. Maybe not everybody but lets say the majority.