Rank Display After VR Removal

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Right now our rank is displayed next to our character name so anyone we encounter knows our level. What will be displayed after VR removal? Will our CP count be displayed instead?

emily3989

of looking for groups - am I going to have to put my CP# in every time I lfg in chat? If not, I mean, you have no idea what you are getting, diff. betw a 10CP and 500CP character are quite diff.

At least if someone was V16 lfg you could kind of speculate to what they had.

Zorrashi

I think I read somewhere that they will put your "CP rank" up for display where your VR level used to be. Don't quote me on that though this was a long while back.

Ch4mpTW

If that's the case, that they are in fact putting how many CP'a you have next to your name? They will be causing another huge divide amongst their player base.

How do I know this? Because as is, there are people who kick others from the activity finder due to low Veteran Rank. Even if it is an alt. I've been in groups where the leader of the group will say, "Oh, ____ isn't VR16. You've got to go, bud. Sorry." And I'm over here telling the group leader to not kick them, as that person may or may not be an alt of that person's main account.

There's also the people who will complain severely in Cyrodiil over this. As it is, people dislike people who transferred from PC/Mac; feel that they have an unfair advantage. Now there could be a chance of no longer hiding it, and I for on don't like others knowing I'm a transfer (in-game I preferr the secrecy). It cuts down on people asking me for build advice, favors, and getting hate-mail from others a bit.

A bit of clarification on what will be shown instead of our VR would be nice. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

BlackEar

I hope so. I like to know a bit of what I can expect when grouping up. Otherwise the standard would probably become to tell every time you look for one.

Nova Sky

I wouldn't worry about the PC/Mac transfers on the consoles, @Ch4mpTW. I'm one of them, and there are a lot of console players who have surpassed even me in Champion Points (I'm at 400, give or take a few).

Uriel_Nocturne

Instead of VR16, or VR7; it should read: "Forever level 50 because horizontal character progression leaves nothing to strive for"...

But I can understand how that would be difficult to fit on the HUD.

NewBlacksmurf

I really hope we don't move from VR to a CP indicator.
That would mean seeing silly things like NPC level 501+ which sounds silly until you think about CP 1-50 even with a symbol beside it.....

Really just would be best to use 1-50 for NPCs and use the skill line numeric more.
CPs really just need to be a difficulty or easy mode progression on anything but with a potential of 3000+ that's a lot of space from 50 so something else will change/introduced.

Paulington

They could display CP number yes, or they could display an icon instead. For example an icon for <250 CP, one for 250-500 CP and another for 501+ CP. This means you don't see their exact number but their CP range.

Or they could just not add anything, who knows? We'll have to wait and see. .

NewBlacksmurf

Paulington wrote: »

They could display CP number yes, or they could display an icon instead. For example an icon for <250 CP, one for 250-500 CP and another for 501+ CP. This means you don't see their exact number but their CP range.

Or they could just not add anything, who knows? We'll have to wait and see. .

Would it be how many they are using or how many the account has earned?
Wouldn't this just be too much on the screen cause it means nothing.

I can put 60+points in a few things and it make me no more effective than before if in the wrong slots.

This whole CP thing is going to possible cause a lot of fall out if it's used in any other way than passive progression and maybe a difficulty slider so as u gain more CP, the game can be easier but difficulty shouldn't be based on how many u have but instead on max stats of a "level 50" with 0 CPs

Justice31st

CP ranks shouldn't be displayed to the public, but an inspection should be made available voluntarily.

DaveMoeDee

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

If that's the case, that they are in fact putting how many CP'a you have next to your name? They will be causing another huge divide amongst their player base.

How do I know this? Because as is, there are people who kick others from the activity finder due to low Veteran Rank. Even if it is an alt. I've been in groups where the leader of the group will say, "Oh, ____ isn't VR16. You've got to go, bud. Sorry." And I'm over here telling the group leader to not kick them, as that person may or may not be an alt of that person's main account.

There's also the people who will complain severely in Cyrodiil over this. As it is, people dislike people who transferred from PC/Mac; feel that they have an unfair advantage. Now there could be a chance of no longer hiding it, and I for on don't like others knowing I'm a transfer (in-game I preferr the secrecy). It cuts down on people asking me for build advice, favors, and getting hate-mail from others a bit.

A bit of clarification on what will be shown instead of our VR would be nice. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

In both of your examples, it seems like showing CP is an improvement for the game overall.

DaveMoeDee

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Instead of VR16, or VR7; it should read: "Forever level 50 because horizontal character progression leaves nothing to strive for"...

But I can understand how that would be difficult to fit on the HUD.

It isn't horizontal progression.

DocFrost72

"Sorry, you only have 300 cp. Need 501 only"

Myerscod

I wonder how they're going to scale content. Will it still scale to group leader (potentially 501+) and then how would your team mates (potentially 10 CP) scale based on group leader??

Uriel_Nocturne

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Instead of VR16, or VR7; it should read: "Forever level 50 because horizontal character progression leaves nothing to strive for"...

But I can understand how that would be difficult to fit on the HUD.

It isn't horizontal progression.

It is the very definition of horizontal progression.

IcyDeadPeople

Justice31st wrote: »

CP ranks shouldn't be displayed to the public, but a character sheet inspection should be made available voluntarily.

Why do you feel it should it be a secret? It's essentially the same as knowing what level someone is. Your Champ Rank will determine what kind of gear you can wear, etc., this is important to know.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

"Sorry, you only have 300 cp. Need 501 only"

It's no different from those who might reject a VR1 if they are doing a V16 dungeon, etc.

NewBlacksmurf

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

CP ranks shouldn't be displayed to the public, but a character sheet inspection should be made available voluntarily.

Why do you feel it should it be a secret? It's essentially the same as knowing what level someone is. Your Champ Rank will determine what kind of gear you can wear, etc., this is important to know.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

"Sorry, you only have 300 cp. Need 501 only"

It's no different from those who might reject a VR1 if they are doing a V16 dungeon, etc.

Woah. See that's the problem.

It's not the same at all and should not be displayed because it literally means nothing unless you can see how each point is spent.

So see VR is a base of stats while CP is not in any way that so it's none of anyone's business unless the full detail is shown with a character sheet showing the base increase of each passive.

Also....diff skills, base stats, gear, player use and CP choices overall matter but yeah.....No to showing CP just exactly rom your comment there "it's no different from those who might reject a Vr1 if they are doing a VR16"

That's not how CPs work and not what removing VR and using Cp in any ways means.

phairdon

Outside of pvp, is there any point in having our CP showing to other players?

Mcwoods55

I have a feeling it will be a risk to PVP. It will just show level... No CP. So you know they are a level 1 or a level 50 but you have no idea what CP is... Make you think twice about jumping someone on a horse who has hidden their bags and stuff to bait you in for the kill!

DocFrost72

I don't so much think it will be any different, just saying I'm getting tired of elitism and we'll suddenly have our share of it.

After all, 501 cp is a LOT loftier than 160 (which is what a V16 is now).

idk

emily3989 wrote: »

of looking for groups - am I going to have to put my CP# in every time I lfg in chat? If not, I mean, you have no idea what you are getting, diff. betw a 10CP and 500CP character are quite diff.

At least if someone was V16 lfg you could kind of speculate to what they had.

Typing CP in chat would be pointless. People lie (not saying you would). There is an upside and downside for certain. It's clear Zos didn't think things through when they decided to replace vet ranks with CP system (since it's taken 12 months to do so). Then again they didn't think things through with the original developement of the game. Lol.

Uriel_Nocturne

DocFrost72 wrote: »

I don't so much think it will be any different, just saying I'm getting tired of elitism and we'll suddenly have our share of it.

After all, 501 cp is a LOT loftier than 160 (which is what a V16 is now).

And this is another problem I foresee the populace running into...

IcyDeadPeople

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

CP ranks shouldn't be displayed to the public, but a character sheet inspection should be made available voluntarily.

Why do you feel it should it be a secret? It's essentially the same as knowing what level someone is. Your Champ Rank will determine what kind of gear you can wear, etc., this is important to know.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

"Sorry, you only have 300 cp. Need 501 only"

It's no different from those who might reject a VR1 if they are doing a V16 dungeon, etc.

Woah. See that's the problem.

It's not the same at all and should not be displayed because it literally means nothing unless you can see how each point is spent.

So see VR is a base of stats while CP is not in any way that so it's none of anyone's business unless the full detail is shown with a character sheet showing the base increase of each passive.

Also....diff skills, base stats, gear, player use and CP choices overall matter but yeah.....No to showing CP just exactly rom your comment there "it's no different from those who might reject a Vr1 if they are doing a VR16"

That's not how CPs work and not what removing VR and using Cp in any ways means.

It is essentially the same, this system is replacing the veteran ranks. The difference is that it is account wide. Your rank will determine your gear, base stats, attribute ponts, etc. I'd agree that some might spend their champion points in a certain way and make certain gear choices that result in a more min/maxed build than others at the same Rank, but the same can be said for two players at the same VR level.

By way of example, if you are Rank 20 (20 champion points), you will be able to wear a certain level of gear, probably in the range of V1 - V2 or so. If you are Rank 160, let's say you will be able to wear the equivalent of V16 gear. It's the same concept as veteran ranks, just account wide progress instead of limited to each character.

Miszou

NewBlacksmurf

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

CP ranks shouldn't be displayed to the public, but a character sheet inspection should be made available voluntarily.

Why do you feel it should it be a secret? It's essentially the same as knowing what level someone is. Your Champ Rank will determine what kind of gear you can wear, etc., this is important to know.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

"Sorry, you only have 300 cp. Need 501 only"

It's no different from those who might reject a VR1 if they are doing a V16 dungeon, etc.

Woah. See that's the problem.

It's not the same at all and should not be displayed because it literally means nothing unless you can see how each point is spent.

So see VR is a base of stats while CP is not in any way that so it's none of anyone's business unless the full detail is shown with a character sheet showing the base increase of each passive.

Also....diff skills, base stats, gear, player use and CP choices overall matter but yeah.....No to showing CP just exactly rom your comment there "it's no different from those who might reject a Vr1 if they are doing a VR16"

That's not how CPs work and not what removing VR and using Cp in any ways means.

It is the same, this system is replacing the veteran ranks. The only difference is that it is account wide. Your rank will determine your gear, base stats, attribute ponts, etc. I'd agree that some might spend their champion points in a certain way and make certain gear choices that result in a more min/maxed build than others at the same Rank, but the same can be said for two players at the same VR level.

By way of example, if you are Rank 20 (20 champion points), you will be able to wear a certain level of gear, probably in the range of V1 - V2 or so. If you are Rank 160, let's say you will be able to wear the equivalent of V16 gear. It's the same concept as veteran ranks, just account wide progress instead of limited to each character.

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

CP ranks shouldn't be displayed to the public, but a character sheet inspection should be made available voluntarily.

Why do you feel it should it be a secret? It's essentially the same as knowing what level someone is. Your Champ Rank will determine what kind of gear you can wear, etc., this is important to know.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

"Sorry, you only have 300 cp. Need 501 only"

It's no different from those who might reject a VR1 if they are doing a V16 dungeon, etc.

Woah. See that's the problem.

It's not the same at all and should not be displayed because it literally means nothing unless you can see how each point is spent.

So see VR is a base of stats while CP is not in any way that so it's none of anyone's business unless the full detail is shown with a character sheet showing the base increase of each passive.

Also....diff skills, base stats, gear, player use and CP choices overall matter but yeah.....No to showing CP just exactly rom your comment there "it's no different from those who might reject a Vr1 if they are doing a VR16"

That's not how CPs work and not what removing VR and using Cp in any ways means.

It is the same, this system is replacing the veteran ranks. The only difference is that it is account wide. Your rank will determine your gear, base stats, attribute ponts, etc. I'd agree that some might spend their champion points in a certain way and make certain gear choices that result in a more min/maxed build than others at the same Rank, but the same can be said for two players at the same VR level.

By way of example, if you are Rank 20 (20 champion points), you will be able to wear a certain level of gear, probably in the range of V1 - V2 or so. If you are Rank 160, let's say you will be able to wear the equivalent of V16 gear. It's the same concept as veteran ranks, just account wide progress instead of limited to each character.

I'm not attempting to argue. But they are in no way similar


VR ranks - raise health, stamina and magic base and give 1 stat and 1 skill point per level.
CP ranks - give 1 of three points to use in a few categories but doing so, might raise a specific type of effect on the player or by means of an action done to another player/NPC by a ever diminishing %


We assume when VR is gone, the skill and stats will all be gained within levels 3-50 but those base increase....what happens to those? It's not that ever X amount of CPs a player gets those base increases cause it's account wide so that's illogical and if that's the case, that brings up a whole other group of issues

What happens to the vr16 players effectiveness? The whole argument of dropping VR 16's to 50 is just this.

They are literally in no way or understanding or by progression the same.

JamilaRaj

I hope the devs will heed my earlier advice and implement w-ranks, or whale ranks, which will be proportional to money spent, i.e. purchasing power of a whale in question. This system would allow poor players and other freeloading *** avoid humiliating defeats at the hands of credit card warriors, because they would see from distance they should run for their cheap lives instead of fighting.

Leandor

Hm, makes me wonder, how is battle scaling supposed to work afterwards?

Will it scale to CP rank? Does that mean no CP campaign is going to be deleted?

TequilaFire

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

If that's the case, that they are in fact putting how many CP'a you have next to your name? They will be causing another huge divide amongst their player base.

How do I know this? Because as is, there are people who kick others from the activity finder due to low Veteran Rank. Even if it is an alt. I've been in groups where the leader of the group will say, "Oh, ____ isn't VR16. You've got to go, bud. Sorry." And I'm over here telling the group leader to not kick them, as that person may or may not be an alt of that person's main account.

There's also the people who will complain severely in Cyrodiil over this. As it is, people dislike people who transferred from PC/Mac; feel that they have an unfair advantage. Now there could be a chance of no longer hiding it, and I for on don't like others knowing I'm a transfer (in-game I preferr the secrecy). It cuts down on people asking me for build advice, favors, and getting hate-mail from others a bit.

A bit of clarification on what will be shown instead of our VR would be nice. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Poopycock you don't know I transferred from PC unless I tell you or use my monkey or senche tiger.
I can't believe you even still think this is an issue.

Volkodav

Levels over 50 would most likely be level 51,52,53,54,56,etc. I hope they decide to do this rather than champion points being displayed.I dont want people rating me.My points dont really reflect my capabilities.

Shadesofkin

I am anti Veteran Ranks. Always have been.

That being said, I also am anti-Champion Rank indicator.

Just put 50 next to them or Veteran next to them and call it a day.