9:25 EST Trueflame NA crashed

Bfish22090

Everyone in the server crashed.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
What happened?

vortexman11

RIP Mr.Fluffles

He was ZOS' best hamster running the servers, he died a few minuntes ago.

Lord-Stien

That little bugger tried his best.....
his offspring better preform..... or i'll let the cat into their cage too.

Pallio

Someone VD/Proxy one too many times.

PainfulFAFA

CU beta update coming this week.

OtarTheMad

I didn't crash but my ping was thru the roof.

frozywozy

Server crashed because EP are always stacking 75%+ of their population on the same location instead of sending troups elsewhere to spread people out. As long as people are going to zerg, putting the blame on Zenimax for not fixing the performances, the server will still lag to death and crash as we've seen tonight. We all know it, Zenimax have a done a ton of good things to help performances and could have done a ton of other things but it is not happening just yet.

So how about you get your 60men zerg group into 3 different groups and send them on 3 different keeps at the same time? It is so frustrating sometimes.. I always do my best to not be part of the biggest force on the transit line to help the lag, and as a result, I usually get outnumbered wherever I go lagging like crazy because of the Aleswell / Chalman fight, which end up with us dying. Or like tonight, crashing 4times in 1hour until I end up in pve land with a queue of 60 and call it a night.

SPREAD OUT. Don't hit all the same keep.

Rylana

frozywozy wrote: »

Server crashed because EP are always stacking 75%+ of their population on the same location instead of sending troups elsewhere to spread people out. As long as people are going to zerg, putting the blame on Zenimax for not fixing the performances, the server will still lag to death and crash as we've seen tonight. We all know it, Zenimax have a done a ton of good things to help performances and could have done a ton of other things but it is not happening just yet.

So how about you get your 60men zerg group into 3 different groups and send them on 3 different keeps at the same time? It is so frustrating sometimes.. I always do my best to not be part of the biggest force on the transit line to help the lag, and as a result, I usually get outnumbered wherever I go lagging like crazy because of the Aleswell / Chalman fight, which end up with us dying. Or like tonight, crashing 4times in 1hour until I end up in pve land with a queue of 60 and call it a night.

SPREAD OUT. Don't hit all the same keep.

Or how about some of you come to Haderus and even some of this crap out. Clearly AD arent coming back, they seem perfectly content to sit with queues over 100 on the weekends while zerging down groups of 20 or less.

Wollust

EU had a big TF crash a few weeks ago already.

NA hamster > EU hamster?

Psilent

frozywozy wrote: »

Server crashed because EP are always stacking 75%+ of their population on the same location instead of sending troups elsewhere to spread people out. As long as people are going to zerg, putting the blame on Zenimax for not fixing the performances, the server will still lag to death and crash as we've seen tonight. We all know it, Zenimax have a done a ton of good things to help performances and could have done a ton of other things but it is not happening just yet.

So how about you get your 60men zerg group into 3 different groups and send them on 3 different keeps at the same time? It is so frustrating sometimes.. I always do my best to not be part of the biggest force on the transit line to help the lag, and as a result, I usually get outnumbered wherever I go lagging like crazy because of the Aleswell / Chalman fight, which end up with us dying. Or like tonight, crashing 4times in 1hour until I end up in pve land with a queue of 60 and call it a night.

SPREAD OUT. Don't hit all the same keep.

We did spread out; while DC was holed up in Bleakers waiting for a defense tick, EP took Emp easy during prime time. Then went over and took the outpost for a nice offensive tick.

From my point of view DC needs to not take 60+ to one location and spread out.

God_flakes

It is amusing to see people complaining about things that there denied a year ago (EP zergs crashing the server and AD camping servers by themselves). I was told a year ago AD camps those servers like Haderus and role plays, something about saving princesses or some such silliness. Not sure if that's true.

Also, we have to stop demanding "DC needs to not do this" and "EP needs to spread out" as though this were possible in this game. I know, I know, I once was under this delusion that an entire faction on a campaign could be controlled. It can't. It is near to impossible. You've got hundreds of people, all in separate groups or solo, zone drama filling up the chat, hardly anyone communicating with one another, and all those people simply looking at flagged keeps or crossed swords and headed to where they think they're needed. Separate small, uncoordinated groups are the norm now because there is loads of butthurt (especially DC side) and people who refuse to work with one another and add to that all the exodus of the larger guilds....

Wanting factions to work together within themselves is intelligent and appropriate strategy. Making it happen is impossible. In two years I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Zheg

God_flakes wrote: »

It is amusing to see people complaining about things that there denied a year ago (EP zergs crashing the server and AD camping servers by themselves). I was told a year ago AD camps those servers like Haderus and role plays, something about saving princesses or some such silliness. Not sure if that's true.

Also, we have to stop demanding "DC needs to not do this" and "EP needs to spread out" as though this were possible in this game. I know, I know, I once was under this delusion that an entire faction on a campaign could be controlled. It can't. It is near to impossible. You've got hundreds of people, all in separate groups or solo, zone drama filling up the chat, hardly anyone communicating with one another, and all those people simply looking at flagged keeps or crossed swords and headed to where they think they're needed. Separate small, uncoordinated groups are the norm now because there is loads of butthurt (especially DC side) and people who refuse to work with one another and add to that all the exodus of the larger guilds....

Wanting factions to work together within themselves is intelligent and appropriate strategy. Making it happen is impossible. In two years I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Zone drama is one issue, the vacuum left in the wake of larger guilds is another, and imo, almost karmic. The same people that tried to blame all of the issues on a group of 20 couldn't bring themselves to admit that those same groups helped keep the game from the massive blue horde vs the massive red horde that we currently have on TF because they WERE in fact able to go push another keep autonomously. Those same groups became the target for most of the asinine changes we got in this patch, and their ability to keep such a large herd of potatoes in check was gutted. Last patch it was hard and frustrating, but we could beat the 60+ red horde at times. This patch, they know they'll win if they keep throwing numbers, and wiping isn't a big deal any more because of forward camps. So they zerg, and so blue zergs back to the extent that they're able to.

People wanted ball groups gone, well, this meta is largely what it looks like in their absence. Everyone just piles into one place now, including the remaining ball groups most of the time. Want to see what the zerging looks like when the final few remaining are gone? You probably won't have to wait long folks, we're all itching to pull the trigger on CU beta.

frozywozy

God_flakes wrote: »

It is amusing to see people complaining about things that there denied a year ago (EP zergs crashing the server and AD camping servers by themselves). I was told a year ago AD camps those servers like Haderus and role plays, something about saving princesses or some such silliness. Not sure if that's true.

Also, we have to stop demanding "DC needs to not do this" and "EP needs to spread out" as though this were possible in this game. I know, I know, I once was under this delusion that an entire faction on a campaign could be controlled. It can't. It is near to impossible. You've got hundreds of people, all in separate groups or solo, zone drama filling up the chat, hardly anyone communicating with one another, and all those people simply looking at flagged keeps or crossed swords and headed to where they think they're needed. Separate small, uncoordinated groups are the norm now because there is loads of butthurt (especially DC side) and people who refuse to work with one another and add to that all the exodus of the larger guilds....

Wanting factions to work together within themselves is intelligent and appropriate strategy. Making it happen is impossible. In two years I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Server is lagging? Open up your map and look for big crosswords on the map. If you happen to be where the only big cross sword is, ask your group to move somewhere else to spread people out and help performances. Impossible? No it's not. I do it since almost a year ago.

Sallington

frozywozy wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is amusing to see people complaining about things that there denied a year ago (EP zergs crashing the server and AD camping servers by themselves). I was told a year ago AD camps those servers like Haderus and role plays, something about saving princesses or some such silliness. Not sure if that's true.

Also, we have to stop demanding "DC needs to not do this" and "EP needs to spread out" as though this were possible in this game. I know, I know, I once was under this delusion that an entire faction on a campaign could be controlled. It can't. It is near to impossible. You've got hundreds of people, all in separate groups or solo, zone drama filling up the chat, hardly anyone communicating with one another, and all those people simply looking at flagged keeps or crossed swords and headed to where they think they're needed. Separate small, uncoordinated groups are the norm now because there is loads of butthurt (especially DC side) and people who refuse to work with one another and add to that all the exodus of the larger guilds....

Wanting factions to work together within themselves is intelligent and appropriate strategy. Making it happen is impossible. In two years I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Server is lagging? Open up your map and look for big crosswords on the map. If you happen to be where the only big cross sword is, ask your group to move somewhere else to spread people out and help performances. Impossible? No it's not. I do it since almost a year ago.

The big problem is that there's no incentive to spread out, outside of less lag. I normally either run solo or duo, so I try to go wherever the action is. I'm not going to run halfway across the map to start sieging by myself, and I'm assuming most guilds don't want to just run around PvDooring so they don't encounter any lag.

The scores don't mean anything, that's probably the biggest problem. If there was a real reason to care about winning a campaign, maybe we'd see people spreading out and using different full-map tactics. ZOS hasn't updated anything about the original concept of Cyrodil in over 2 years. They've given us no incentive to not condense into these bottleneck situations you see on a daily basis.

Right now, literally the only reason to spread groups out is to lessen the impact on the servers, and that's just not good enough for people who want the big battles that we bought the game for.

God_flakes

Zheg wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is amusing to see people complaining about things that there denied a year ago (EP zergs crashing the server and AD camping servers by themselves). I was told a year ago AD camps those servers like Haderus and role plays, something about saving princesses or some such silliness. Not sure if that's true.

Also, we have to stop demanding "DC needs to not do this" and "EP needs to spread out" as though this were possible in this game. I know, I know, I once was under this delusion that an entire faction on a campaign could be controlled. It can't. It is near to impossible. You've got hundreds of people, all in separate groups or solo, zone drama filling up the chat, hardly anyone communicating with one another, and all those people simply looking at flagged keeps or crossed swords and headed to where they think they're needed. Separate small, uncoordinated groups are the norm now because there is loads of butthurt (especially DC side) and people who refuse to work with one another and add to that all the exodus of the larger guilds....

Wanting factions to work together within themselves is intelligent and appropriate strategy. Making it happen is impossible. In two years I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Zone drama is one issue, the vacuum left in the wake of larger guilds is another, and imo, almost karmic. The same people that tried to blame all of the issues on a group of 20 couldn't bring themselves to admit that those same groups helped keep the game from the massive blue horde vs the massive red horde that we currently have on TF because they WERE in fact able to go push another keep autonomously. Those same groups became the target for most of the asinine changes we got in this patch, and their ability to keep such a large herd of potatoes in check was gutted. Last patch it was hard and frustrating, but we could beat the 60+ red horde at times. This patch, they know they'll win if they keep throwing numbers, and wiping isn't a big deal any more because of forward camps. So they zerg, and so blue zergs back to the extent that they're able to.

People wanted ball groups gone, well, this meta is largely what it looks like in their absence. Everyone just piles into one place now, including the remaining ball groups most of the time. Want to see what the zerging looks like when the final few remaining are gone? You probably won't have to wait long folks, we're all itching to pull the trigger on CU beta.

Can't say I disagree with any of this. It seems the low pop faction (DC) always takes the brunt of major changes by Zos and I foresee TF quickly becoming TB all over again with EP dominating with their obscene numbers, Ad tucking tail like the cowards they are and running to save fictional princess's in Haderus and DC valiantly fighting their hearts out to maintain 2nd or 3rd.

However, as someone who has largely observed and hasn't been a major DC leader in a year...the one group in question who left, whom I agree was instrumental in keeping the EP hoarde at bay...was creating a toxic environment which is also unhealthy for the faction. And I don't think they can't be replaced. DC just needs to pool our great individual players together and meet the challenge. We have done this before. When I encouraged DC to leave TB and establish itself in Azura-it was an uphill climb all the way. But we did it. We can do it again.

God_flakes

frozywozy wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is amusing to see people complaining about things that there denied a year ago (EP zergs crashing the server and AD camping servers by themselves). I was told a year ago AD camps those servers like Haderus and role plays, something about saving princesses or some such silliness. Not sure if that's true.

Also, we have to stop demanding "DC needs to not do this" and "EP needs to spread out" as though this were possible in this game. I know, I know, I once was under this delusion that an entire faction on a campaign could be controlled. It can't. It is near to impossible. You've got hundreds of people, all in separate groups or solo, zone drama filling up the chat, hardly anyone communicating with one another, and all those people simply looking at flagged keeps or crossed swords and headed to where they think they're needed. Separate small, uncoordinated groups are the norm now because there is loads of butthurt (especially DC side) and people who refuse to work with one another and add to that all the exodus of the larger guilds....

Wanting factions to work together within themselves is intelligent and appropriate strategy. Making it happen is impossible. In two years I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Server is lagging? Open up your map and look for big crosswords on the map. If you happen to be where the only big cross sword is, ask your group to move somewhere else to spread people out and help performances. Impossible? No it's not. I do it since almost a year ago.

Frozy, this isn't realistic. Without there being some
form of mass communication between all groups and all guilds (and there isn't). People aren't mind readers. They don't know what's at those cross swords or that flagged keep till they get there. Once there they get sucked into the action. It's human nature.

Xeven

It doesn't matter if you spread out. The only thing that helps is switching to Azuras, going to the IC, or going into a delve. At that point you are no longer hammering Trueflame. In all other cases, you are.

ZOS switched Azuras to non-cp, killing many peoples desire to go there and did not open up another campaign to compensate for that.

It's a ZOS issue, and telling people to spread out is not only ineffective, it's unrealistic.

Zheg

God_flakes wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is amusing to see people complaining about things that there denied a year ago (EP zergs crashing the server and AD camping servers by themselves). I was told a year ago AD camps those servers like Haderus and role plays, something about saving princesses or some such silliness. Not sure if that's true.

Also, we have to stop demanding "DC needs to not do this" and "EP needs to spread out" as though this were possible in this game. I know, I know, I once was under this delusion that an entire faction on a campaign could be controlled. It can't. It is near to impossible. You've got hundreds of people, all in separate groups or solo, zone drama filling up the chat, hardly anyone communicating with one another, and all those people simply looking at flagged keeps or crossed swords and headed to where they think they're needed. Separate small, uncoordinated groups are the norm now because there is loads of butthurt (especially DC side) and people who refuse to work with one another and add to that all the exodus of the larger guilds....

Wanting factions to work together within themselves is intelligent and appropriate strategy. Making it happen is impossible. In two years I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Zone drama is one issue, the vacuum left in the wake of larger guilds is another, and imo, almost karmic. The same people that tried to blame all of the issues on a group of 20 couldn't bring themselves to admit that those same groups helped keep the game from the massive blue horde vs the massive red horde that we currently have on TF because they WERE in fact able to go push another keep autonomously. Those same groups became the target for most of the asinine changes we got in this patch, and their ability to keep such a large herd of potatoes in check was gutted. Last patch it was hard and frustrating, but we could beat the 60+ red horde at times. This patch, they know they'll win if they keep throwing numbers, and wiping isn't a big deal any more because of forward camps. So they zerg, and so blue zergs back to the extent that they're able to.

People wanted ball groups gone, well, this meta is largely what it looks like in their absence. Everyone just piles into one place now, including the remaining ball groups most of the time. Want to see what the zerging looks like when the final few remaining are gone? You probably won't have to wait long folks, we're all itching to pull the trigger on CU beta.

Can't say I disagree with any of this. It seems the low pop faction (DC) always takes the brunt of major changes by Zos and I foresee TF quickly becoming TB all over again with EP dominating with their obscene numbers, Ad tucking tail like the cowards they are and running to save fictional princess's in Haderus and DC valiantly fighting their hearts out to maintain 2nd or 3rd.

However, as someone who has largely observed and hasn't been a major DC leader in a year...the one group in question who left, whom I agree was instrumental in keeping the EP hoarde at bay...was creating a toxic environment which is also unhealthy for the faction. And I don't think they can't be replaced. DC just needs to pool our great individual players together and meet the challenge. We have done this before. When I encouraged DC to leave TB and establish itself in Azura-it was an uphill climb all the way. But we did it. We can do it again.

I think everyone agrees on how toxic they were, and most agree that those shoes can be filled again. Hopefully their remaining members stay together and become apart of whatever pops up next. I wasn't alluding entirely to them in my post though, but rather speaking more generally. The map on TF would look a lot different if there were organized yellow groups able to push out. Red would probably take a call-out on BRK seriously if it was rage there instead of pugs.

frozywozy

Sallington wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is amusing to see people complaining about things that there denied a year ago (EP zergs crashing the server and AD camping servers by themselves). I was told a year ago AD camps those servers like Haderus and role plays, something about saving princesses or some such silliness. Not sure if that's true.

Also, we have to stop demanding "DC needs to not do this" and "EP needs to spread out" as though this were possible in this game. I know, I know, I once was under this delusion that an entire faction on a campaign could be controlled. It can't. It is near to impossible. You've got hundreds of people, all in separate groups or solo, zone drama filling up the chat, hardly anyone communicating with one another, and all those people simply looking at flagged keeps or crossed swords and headed to where they think they're needed. Separate small, uncoordinated groups are the norm now because there is loads of butthurt (especially DC side) and people who refuse to work with one another and add to that all the exodus of the larger guilds....

Wanting factions to work together within themselves is intelligent and appropriate strategy. Making it happen is impossible. In two years I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Server is lagging? Open up your map and look for big crosswords on the map. If you happen to be where the only big cross sword is, ask your group to move somewhere else to spread people out and help performances. Impossible? No it's not. I do it since almost a year ago.

The big problem is that there's no incentive to spread out, outside of less lag. I normally either run solo or duo, so I try to go wherever the action is. I'm not going to run halfway across the map to start sieging by myself, and I'm assuming most guilds don't want to just run around PvDooring so they don't encounter any lag.

The scores don't mean anything, that's probably the biggest problem. If there was a real reason to care about winning a campaign, maybe we'd see people spreading out and using different full-map tactics. ZOS hasn't updated anything about the original concept of Cyrodil in over 2 years. They've given us no incentive to not condense into these bottleneck situations you see on a daily basis.

Right now, literally the only reason to spread groups out is to lessen the impact on the servers, and that's just not good enough for people who want the big battles that we bought the game for.

If you are solo, you are not concerned. Solo players don't spike a server to 600ms. People concerned are guilds running large group. It also doesn't mean that if they hit somewhere else on the map that they will pvedoor. I do it on a regular basis. Hitting deep in enemy territory. People respond very quickly with considerable amount of players.

As much as I agree that we should have more objectives and that emperorship should work differently, there is incentives to attack other keeps than the one on the transit line. Declining this is just a way to hide your lazyness to ride your horse for 5mins to hit deeper in enemy territory.

Most people just tunnel vision and follow the masses until they die, rinse and repeat. This need to change. Guilds who can have an impact on the map need to start hitting somewhere else when the server gets laggy. Otherwise it is not fun for the smaller groups like mine who do an effort and move somewhere else, then die because we're outnumbered and can't do anything in lag.

Just do an effort, not asking for much.

God_flakes

Help me understand how there is not enough AD on TF....Saturday night when I played (admittedly I was drunk) but EP has the lead, AD is second and DC is in third. Clearly there is an AD presence.

antihero727

frozywozy wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is amusing to see people complaining about things that there denied a year ago (EP zergs crashing the server and AD camping servers by themselves). I was told a year ago AD camps those servers like Haderus and role plays, something about saving princesses or some such silliness. Not sure if that's true.

Also, we have to stop demanding "DC needs to not do this" and "EP needs to spread out" as though this were possible in this game. I know, I know, I once was under this delusion that an entire faction on a campaign could be controlled. It can't. It is near to impossible. You've got hundreds of people, all in separate groups or solo, zone drama filling up the chat, hardly anyone communicating with one another, and all those people simply looking at flagged keeps or crossed swords and headed to where they think they're needed. Separate small, uncoordinated groups are the norm now because there is loads of butthurt (especially DC side) and people who refuse to work with one another and add to that all the exodus of the larger guilds....

Wanting factions to work together within themselves is intelligent and appropriate strategy. Making it happen is impossible. In two years I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Server is lagging? Open up your map and look for big crosswords on the map. If you happen to be where the only big cross sword is, ask your group to move somewhere else to spread people out and help performances. Impossible? No it's not. I do it since almost a year ago.

The big problem is that there's no incentive to spread out, outside of less lag. I normally either run solo or duo, so I try to go wherever the action is. I'm not going to run halfway across the map to start sieging by myself, and I'm assuming most guilds don't want to just run around PvDooring so they don't encounter any lag.

The scores don't mean anything, that's probably the biggest problem. If there was a real reason to care about winning a campaign, maybe we'd see people spreading out and using different full-map tactics. ZOS hasn't updated anything about the original concept of Cyrodil in over 2 years. They've given us no incentive to not condense into these bottleneck situations you see on a daily basis.

Right now, literally the only reason to spread groups out is to lessen the impact on the servers, and that's just not good enough for people who want the big battles that we bought the game for.

If you are solo, you are not concerned. Solo players don't spike a server to 600ms. People concerned are guilds running large group. It also doesn't mean that if they hit somewhere else on the map that they will pvedoor. I do it on a regular basis. Hitting deep in enemy territory. People respond very quickly with considerable amount of players.

As much as I agree that we should have more objectives and that emperorship should work differently, there is incentives to attack other keeps than the one on the transit line. Declining this is just a way to hide your lazyness to ride your horse for 5mins to hit deeper in enemy territory.

Most people just tunnel vision and follow the masses until they die, rinse and repeat. This need to change. Guilds who can have an impact on the map need to start hitting somewhere else when the server gets laggy. Otherwise it is not fun for the smaller groups like mine who do an effort and move somewhere else, then die because we're outnumbered and can't do anything in lag.

Just do an effort, not asking for much.

All I see is people blaming Zergs for everything. There was a time long, long ago that you could have 100 vs 100 vs 100 still at 30fps. Get your anger directed at the proper place, right at ZOS for their extremely effective anti-bot measures. This not only got rid of bots but fun in Cyrodiil as well.

vortexman11

God_flakes wrote: »

Help me understand how there is not enough AD on TF....Saturday night when I played (admittedly I was drunk) but EP has the lead, AD is second and DC is in third. Clearly there is an AD presence.

Low population bonus is OP.
There is an AD presence on Trueflame but it seems like the majority of organized guilds left/fell apart that were here which means theres not much actual pushing going on from the AD side on a regular basis.

KenaPKK

antihero727 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

It is amusing to see people complaining about things that there denied a year ago (EP zergs crashing the server and AD camping servers by themselves). I was told a year ago AD camps those servers like Haderus and role plays, something about saving princesses or some such silliness. Not sure if that's true.

Also, we have to stop demanding "DC needs to not do this" and "EP needs to spread out" as though this were possible in this game. I know, I know, I once was under this delusion that an entire faction on a campaign could be controlled. It can't. It is near to impossible. You've got hundreds of people, all in separate groups or solo, zone drama filling up the chat, hardly anyone communicating with one another, and all those people simply looking at flagged keeps or crossed swords and headed to where they think they're needed. Separate small, uncoordinated groups are the norm now because there is loads of butthurt (especially DC side) and people who refuse to work with one another and add to that all the exodus of the larger guilds....

Wanting factions to work together within themselves is intelligent and appropriate strategy. Making it happen is impossible. In two years I don't think I've ever seen it happen.

Server is lagging? Open up your map and look for big crosswords on the map. If you happen to be where the only big cross sword is, ask your group to move somewhere else to spread people out and help performances. Impossible? No it's not. I do it since almost a year ago.

The big problem is that there's no incentive to spread out, outside of less lag. I normally either run solo or duo, so I try to go wherever the action is. I'm not going to run halfway across the map to start sieging by myself, and I'm assuming most guilds don't want to just run around PvDooring so they don't encounter any lag.

The scores don't mean anything, that's probably the biggest problem. If there was a real reason to care about winning a campaign, maybe we'd see people spreading out and using different full-map tactics. ZOS hasn't updated anything about the original concept of Cyrodil in over 2 years. They've given us no incentive to not condense into these bottleneck situations you see on a daily basis.

Right now, literally the only reason to spread groups out is to lessen the impact on the servers, and that's just not good enough for people who want the big battles that we bought the game for.

If you are solo, you are not concerned. Solo players don't spike a server to 600ms. People concerned are guilds running large group. It also doesn't mean that if they hit somewhere else on the map that they will pvedoor. I do it on a regular basis. Hitting deep in enemy territory. People respond very quickly with considerable amount of players.

As much as I agree that we should have more objectives and that emperorship should work differently, there is incentives to attack other keeps than the one on the transit line. Declining this is just a way to hide your lazyness to ride your horse for 5mins to hit deeper in enemy territory.

Most people just tunnel vision and follow the masses until they die, rinse and repeat. This need to change. Guilds who can have an impact on the map need to start hitting somewhere else when the server gets laggy. Otherwise it is not fun for the smaller groups like mine who do an effort and move somewhere else, then die because we're outnumbered and can't do anything in lag.

Just do an effort, not asking for much.

All I see is people blaming Zergs for everything. There was a time long, long ago that you could have 100 vs 100 vs 100 still at 30fps. Get your anger directed at the proper place, right at ZOS for their extremely effective anti-bot measures. This not only got rid of bots but fun in Cyrodiil as well.

Yay someone gets it.

Sure, ZoS made some cruddy changes in recent patches, but the core of our problems goes back to the very beginning.

God_flakes

DC needs to work together to nab their scrolls, hold them, and at least move up to second. The problem is the EP hoarde is real and bleaks/ales is their fixation.

frozywozy

I guess some people just can't understand because they were born in a world where everything has been giving to them. In my world, I learn to adapt with what I have and try to make the best of it.

It doesn't mean that we should accept the current state of the game and close our eyes. Don't get me wrong. But we can deal with what we have and try to make it as enjoyable as possible.

Sallington

frozywozy wrote: »

I guess some people just can't understand because they were born in a world where everything has been giving to them. In my world, I learn to adapt with what I have and try to make the best of it.

It doesn't mean that we should accept the current state of the game and close our eyes. Don't get me wrong. But we can deal with what we have and try to make it as enjoyable as possible.

Instead of doing that, we're dropping our subs and moving to other games.

frozywozy

Sallington wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I guess some people just can't understand because they were born in a world where everything has been giving to them. In my world, I learn to adapt with what I have and try to make the best of it.

It doesn't mean that we should accept the current state of the game and close our eyes. Don't get me wrong. But we can deal with what we have and try to make it as enjoyable as possible.

Instead of doing that, we're dropping our subs and moving to other games.

Speak for yourself. I'm not giving up just yet. And if I do give up, it won't be because of Zenimax, it will be because of the poor, pitify, negative and pessimist place this community has become.

Sallington

frozywozy wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

I guess some people just can't understand because they were born in a world where everything has been giving to them. In my world, I learn to adapt with what I have and try to make the best of it.

It doesn't mean that we should accept the current state of the game and close our eyes. Don't get me wrong. But we can deal with what we have and try to make it as enjoyable as possible.

Instead of doing that, we're dropping our subs and moving to other games.

Speak for yourself. I'm not giving up just yet. And if I do give up, it won't be because of Zenimax, it will be because of the poor, pitify, negative and pessimist place this community has become.

EDIT so it doesn't seem so snarky: I just don't have fun with needing the community to police itself in-game in order for the game to actually work. I can't even think of an analogy for how backwards that is. Obviously everyone's patience wears at different intervals, so someone like you having more tolerance than most is to be expected. I'm assuming the potential that is there is what's keeping you positive? We can all agree there amazing potential there. I guess we just differ in thinking that ZOS has squandered every opportunity to realize that potential.

antihero727

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All I see is people blaming Zergs for everything. There was a time long, long ago that you could have 100 vs 100 vs 100 still at 30fps. Get your anger directed at the proper place, right at ZOS for their extremely effective anti-bot measures. This not only got rid of bots but fun in Cyrodiil as well.

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Yay someone gets it.

Sure, ZoS made some cruddy changes in recent patches, but the core of our problems goes back to the very beginning. [/quote]

I believe it was patch 1.5 when the anti-bot software went live. The good old days when we had bigger numbers and very little lag. If I remember the max pop in a server was 1000 per alliance back then too. It's about 300 per alliance now.

frozywozy

antihero727 wrote: »

I believe it was patch 1.5 when the anti-bot software went live. The good old days when we had bigger numbers and very little lag. If I remember the max pop in a server was 1000 per alliance back then too. It's about 300 per alliance now.

1.2.3 was when they released the anti-bot system.

RinaldoGandolphi

God_flakes wrote: »

DC needs to work together to nab their scrolls, hold them, and at least move up to second. The problem is the EP hoarde is real and bleaks/ales is their fixation.

The main problem on TF is this:

Since Ad has no presence, everytime DC tries to push any objective on the MAP be it EP or AD, EP and their horde will show up there...DC was trying to take brindle with 10 people and 30 EP show up there for pete sake and it wasn't even a ring keep and EP had all but one ring keep...the lack of an Ad presense at all means DC who is insanely outnumbered on TF simply relaly has no chance against those odds.

I watched one weekend as DC never moved outside its tri-keeps all weekend a few weeks ago simply because no matter where DC went on the map be it AD territory or EP territory EP and their horde was there to zerg em.

The same thing happens on Haderus its just Ad doing it instead of EP

I personally would get bored very quickly of outnumbering my adversaries by so much. You know this as back in the day i exited Azura because DC had way too many players on the server 2 months after you started the migration.

Short of more Dc players coming to the game, Some of EP on TF need to move to Had and some of the Ad on Had need to move to TF so both EP and Ad have a decent presence on both servers...right now DC is being farmed by superior EP numbers on TF and superior Ad numbers on Haderus....the only other options is to convince the DC on TF to move to Haderus and consolidate on 1 server so there would be enough DC to actually fight on one campaign....will that happen? remains to be seen.