Getting less master tempering alloys...

Kalante

i refined over one thousand rubedite and i got nothing. Not joking, even i thought i was going crazy. I do not even bother farming rubedite anymore. Ill just buy the tampering alloids little by little because the writs are also bugged for me or something because everyday it's always the woodworking writ. *** it fam. Dreugh wax is also nerfed to hell because i refined over 400 rubedo scraps and i only get two or three dreugh waxes. At least it's something unlike getting zero tampering alloids after refining over one thousand rocks. Ridiculous.

disintegr8

I don't know about the refining as I don't do a lot, but the drop rate for perfect roe has dropped immensely since TG patch. I try and fish any time I come to a fishing hole and have not had one drop since the patch (PS4). Still getting reasonable drops of gold material from crafting daily writs but that may only be because I have several characters doing them every day.

Lonewolf628

I got 3 tempering alloys from a stack of 200 rubedite today. That's after going nill for 500.

Kalante

disintegr8 wrote: »

I don't know about the refining as I don't do a lot, but the drop rate for perfect roe has dropped immensely since TG patch. I try and fish any time I come to a fishing hole and have not had one drop since the patch (PS4). Still getting reasonable drops of gold material from crafting daily writs but that may only be because I have several characters doing them every day.

yeah i think the devs might be lowering the drop rates little by little till it is almost impossible to get them. Then they will implement some loot crates RNG bs for 100 crowns each that contain materials. Call it a tinfoil hat theory but with the rise of games with RNG micro transactions i do not doubt it.

KingYogi415

I get a Dregh Wax every 200 stack.

Tempers almost never...

LiquidSchwartz

I gergen a lot of them

helediron

No, there has not been any stealth nerfs in IC, Wrothgar nor TG. Refinery drop rate has not changed during past year. It is 5%, that is one golden temper from stack of 200, retested after every major patch with at least 10 000 mats. My total statistics are from way over 100 000 mats. Ores, cloths, leathers and plants all have same drop rate.

Curtdogg47

I usually don't refine until I have 1k of each material. And I always seem to get more rosin. Usually get 5 or more rosin, 2-4 wax and 1-3 alloy. Alloy is almost always my hardest to get. Drops still feel about the same to me.

reften

but yet there is a guy selling over a 1000 of them in the store, others have 100's to sell. Couple people are single handedly destroying the market and my guess is the Zos is seeing how many are in the market and adjusting RNG to compensate.

Omg_Pwned

Refined yesterday 6 times and got 2 goldies

Rex-Umbra

Got none from 1000 ore

Teridaxus

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, hopefuly they don't add vet 18.
No way i can afford to make all my items to gold again.

Uh no ZOS is actually removing vet ranks with U10 the dark brotherhood update or so they are saying.

Their word is not enough for me after 2 years...

JadeNaria

acw37162 wrote: »

Really in the last three weeks between writs and gathering I have got tempering alloy.

I can't get a dreugh wax to save my life.

Sounds like me, I get alloy more often than wax and the crazy thing is that I don't use alloy or blacksmithing that often even though I have it maxed and all skills points needed added to it.

helediron

reften wrote: »

but yet there is a guy selling over a 1000 of them in the store, others have 100's to sell. Couple people are single handedly destroying the market and my guess is the Zos is seeing how many are in the market and adjusting RNG to compensate.

Some people play this game as traders. Most of their stock are resales. When i as crafter put tempers on sale, these people often buy it all away from market to maintain their price levels. But i believe they are not really destroying market because there is no single AH and they operate on relatively thin profit and with future risk. Rising prices after each new DLC attract more people to farm and to do writs, increasing supply.

ZOS has not adjusted drop rates at all during last year.

Pomaikai

Personally, I play the Wax market. I make approximately 1.5-2k per Wax flipped, so the margins aren't quite as thin as you think they are. Of course my profit margins slightly increase due to obtaining my own Wax from refining mats that I personally collect, or by refining mats I buy on the cheap by dumpster diving trade guilds. I also get a few wax that way from people who price Wax on their traders at well below market price.

I'd also point out that on commodity items, MM's and market pricing are rarely the same, as MM's are just a gross average over time, and don't reflect the current actual selling prices on guild traders, which are all those scatter plot points ABOVE the MM average price dashed line.

So, while the NA/PC MM for Wax may show that the average price is 4-4.1k each, the actual market price on traders is really 4.4-5k+ each.

I will categorically state that Wax is getting a LOT scarcer the last few weeks. I buy and sell a LOT of Wax, and there is a noticeable drop in the amount of Wax entering the game right now.

Eterminix

slackrain_ESO wrote: »

Its like a 3% per refine

i thought it was 5% ? its somewhere around that

Callous2208

I get a lot if wax and rosin from refinement. Probably about 1 every 10 refines. Writs are my go to for gold tempers. Average one every other day.

Mettaricana

Refined 730 leather got no wax 600rubedite and 230 void stone no alloy they should add a limit minimum where atleast 1 alloy or wax per 100 guaranteed.

failkiwib16_ESO

I haven't noticed any difference since IC release when I refine.

I refuse to refine less than 5k raw mats of the individual craft. I usually farm a little, and go shopping in guildstores, place everything in my bank and refine it all.

Grabmoore

Got a tempering alloy, one wax and one resin each in my writs on my main three days straight. On the other hand I got nothing out of 400 raw hide.. RNG is what it is.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

Tested it last month over a few thousand clicks on refine. The drop rate is exactly 5% for gold, 10% for purple and 15% for blue and green.

If you get more than 1 drop per 200 raw material, you are lucky, if you get less than 1 per 200 raw materials you are unlucky.

It IS random, so sometimes it takes 6-700 mats to get a drop, and sometimes you get 12 drops out of that amount.

We humans are fundamentally unable to understand randomness and try to apply patterns to it in order to make it predictable which cause us in this game to come up with all kind of conspiracy theories about drop rates.

A standing joke in my clan is that if someone is unucky with the drops, then it is because they haven't killed enough goats and dedicated them as sacrifice to the RNG.

GarnetFire17

yeah sometimes its just an unlucky streak. not nerfed.

Hadan_of_Rift

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I refined 1k leather and got 6 wax a few days ago.

LOL I wished! I decond 2600 rubio scraps yesterday and got 3 wax. 2,600 for 3 wax

jzholloway

helediron wrote: »

No, there has not been any stealth nerfs in IC, Wrothgar nor TG. Refinery drop rate has not changed during past year. It is 5%, that is one golden temper from stack of 200, retested after every major patch with at least 10 000 mats. My total statistics are from way over 100 000 mats. Ores, cloths, leathers and plants all have same drop rate.

damn that must take forever...

failkiwib16_ESO

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Tested it last month over a few thousand clicks on refine. The drop rate is exactly 5% for gold, 10% for purple and 15% for blue and green.

If you get more than 1 drop per 200 raw material, you are lucky, if you get less than 1 per 200 raw materials you are unlucky.

It IS random, so sometimes it takes 6-700 mats to get a drop, and sometimes you get 12 drops out of that amount.

We humans are fundamentally unable to understand randomness and try to apply patterns to it in order to make it predictable which cause us in this game to come up with all kind of conspiracy theories about drop rates.

A standing joke in my clan is that if someone is unucky with the drops, then it is because they haven't killed enough goats and dedicated them as sacrifice to the RNG.

Altmer, not human in this case.

There are no such things as randomness in computing, they use an algorithm that is not really random, but may appear as being random.

nimander99

Yes, not only have I not gotten a single one from my minions but I haven't refined one in over a month... Could just be Rngeezus though, he's a fickle daedra.

Skyy

Necrelios wrote: »

Lately for me it's been about 1:500-ish for Tempering Allow, 1:1000 for Dreugh Wax, 1:350 for Rosin, and about 1:300 for Perfect Roe. Lately I've been having a ridiculously hard time getting Dreugh Wax and I blame the sorc mudcrab farming bots.

Lately I've had about 1:250 for the dreugh wax, 1:200 for the temporing alloys, 1:175 for rosin, and about 0:10,000 for perfect roe. So in some ways I guess I'm doing pretty well.

Shadesofkin

It does always seem like i have way more rosin than I ever need and far fewer alloys.

I'm not sure what the ratio is though, I only really try to get a few to lower the overall cost I have to pay to get the rest.