How are nightblades managing this!

Roberts3393

I've seen pictures of NB'S with 40k+ magicka 27k health 4k+ spell power with 4k magicka regen I can't see how they are doing this?


This is the closest I can get

Anti_Virus

Racial choice makes a HUGE difference

You are playing a Dark elf which is a good race but the best race to play is a High elf or Breton for 10% max magic( opposed to dark elves 9%) plus high elves get extra magic recovery while Bretons get cost reduction allowing them to focus more on recovery.

Lastly having legendary gear and enchants really helps.

failkiwib16_ESO

lol the guy in the screenshot is in Imperial City sewers, and he just took a potion ...that blue glow around him comes from a potion taken

Stats in Cyrodiil and Imperial City change, and you gain buffs from keeps and emperorship there, you don't get those when you are in pve.

Battlescaling, buffs and emperorship all mess up peoples stats, even in pve areas such as Wrothgar and Hews Bane stats tend to bug in the UI and show wrong numbers.. people should really stop measuring their stats in those areas, and just go to the base game pve areas.

Autolycus

All of that wasted potential with such needlessly high recovery... 4k really? Why would anybody want or need that much recovery. It becomes a dump stat after ~1500 recovery, though that benchmark is higher for stamina builds, who need to dodge roll a lot more.

Prabooo

Autolycus wrote: »

All of that wasted potential with such needlessly high recovery... 4k really? Why would anybody want or need that much recovery. It becomes a dump stat after ~1500 recovery, though that benchmark is higher for stamina builds, who need to dodge roll a lot more.

edited: I mistook the pic for OP's question

cdobratz

I don't think 4k recovery is a thing. Until, race balancing happens, there is no point in being anything but a high elf for magicka, or a redguard/imperial for stamina. High elf may do 3% less fire damage than dunmer, but 1% more max magicka lessens the gap, and then you get 9% more recovery, which really helps with dps (especially in the new trial once people learn the mechanics). Some people may use khajit for crit builds, but honestly redguard is much better in the long run for varying builds. I personally like redguard better than imperial, but not by much. Personally getting 1k stamina back on melee hits at v16, along with 9% more recovery is better than health on melee hits with more max stats.

WillhelmBlack

Agree, that 60% mount speed is OP AF!

Mojmir

that's a well rounded build,wep damage is modest too lol

AddictionX

I would love to see a stamina equivalent in stats and stuff.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

They really need to bring soft caps back.

Anti_Virus

^^^^

Edziu

Roberts3393 wrote: »

I've seen pictures of NB'S with 40k+ magicka 27k health 4k+ spell power with 4k magicka regen I can't see how they are doing this?


This is the closest I can get

ehh 4k+ spell dmg
this is in hide lol, just 1st hit...if you want seriously compare stats never do it in hide...its just stupid and you and then you show you undervalued? because you must show us additional 10-20%+ spell dmg in stats what is only in hide, just lying to yourself :d

Reevster

I don't think you can get 4k plus spell power "and" 4k Mag recovery at the same time, I call BS on that. The only way to get 4k magic recovery is to take away spell power.

acw37162

DW bar is 5 Julianos
Resto bar is 5 Clever Alchamist

Jewelry is all spell damage
Prob using a spell damage potion
In Cyrodill with every buff, scroll, and emporership in the game

Drink the potion on your resto bar switch to your DW bar.

Wal-lah your a bomb blade looking for a zerg.

Cryptical

acw37162 wrote: »

Wal-lah your a bomb blade looking for a zerg.

Voila.

exeeter702

acw37162 wrote: »

DW bar is 5 Julianos
Resto bar is 5 Clever Alchamist

Jewelry is all spell damage
Prob using a spell damage potion
In Cyrodill with every buff, scroll, and emporership in the game

Drink the potion on your resto bar switch to your DW bar.

Wal-lah your a bomb blade looking for a zerg.

Voila

Lexxypwns

None of this is correct, since none of these sets will also give you 4k regen.

The correct build to achieve 4k regen and 4k spell damage is:

5 lich - 4 armor + resto
5 alchemist - 3 armor + dual swords
3 willpower - jewelry all spell dam enchants

get low on magika, switch to resto bar for lich proc, switch to dual wield bar, pop a pot(must give major intellect) for alchemist passive

the problem is, you can't get lich in impen so you're gonna be even more squishy than magblade already is

Reevster wrote: »

I don't think you can get 4k plus spell power "and" 4k Mag recovery at the same time, I call BS on that. The only way to get 4k magic recovery is to take away spell power.

edit:

This is without alchemist
/thread

psychotic13

Lexxypwns wrote: »

None of this is correct, since none of these sets will also give you 4k regen.

The correct build to achieve 4k regen and 4k spell damage is:

5 lich - 4 armor + resto
5 alchemist - 3 armor + dual swords
3 willpower - jewelry all spell dam enchants

get low on magika, switch to resto bar for lich proc, switch to dual wield bar, pop a pot(must give major intellect) for alchemist passive

the problem is, you can't get lich in impen so you're gonna be even more squishy than magblade already is

Reevster wrote: »

I don't think you can get 4k plus spell power "and" 4k Mag recovery at the same time, I call BS on that. The only way to get 4k magic recovery is to take away spell power.

edit:

This is without alchemist
/thread

Please enlighten me how to this set up will give you 4.2k Regen, Lich set proc only adds 1k recovery, so 3.2k is still pretty high?

Waffennacht

A high regen can be very useful, especially for a magicka nb

Edit:if Alchemist clearly a potion was used, so there's at least a regen bonus from that. Lich 1000, and the other set's bonuses.

Lexxypwns

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

None of this is correct, since none of these sets will also give you 4k regen.

The correct build to achieve 4k regen and 4k spell damage is:

5 lich - 4 armor + resto
5 alchemist - 3 armor + dual swords
3 willpower - jewelry all spell dam enchants

get low on magika, switch to resto bar for lich proc, switch to dual wield bar, pop a pot(must give major intellect) for alchemist passive

the problem is, you can't get lich in impen so you're gonna be even more squishy than magblade already is

Reevster wrote: »

I don't think you can get 4k plus spell power "and" 4k Mag recovery at the same time, I call BS on that. The only way to get 4k magic recovery is to take away spell power.

edit:

This is without alchemist
/thread

Please enlighten me how to this set up will give you 4.2k Regen, Lich set proc only adds 1k recovery, so 3.2k is still pretty high?

Atro stone + lich set boni + lich proc + potion + CP+ magika controller passive + vamp passives(bonus points if altmer for 10% regen bonus). You don't need 3.2k base, not nearly.

l2maths

Edit: Lich on resto bar is just so so strong on magika builds. Sorc, for example, can run 5 lich 2 kena 3 willpower 2 torugs for crazy burst and limitless sustain. I'm playing around with it on magika DK atm as well and its just disgusting

Autolycus

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

None of this is correct, since none of these sets will also give you 4k regen.

The correct build to achieve 4k regen and 4k spell damage is:

5 lich - 4 armor + resto
5 alchemist - 3 armor + dual swords
3 willpower - jewelry all spell dam enchants

get low on magika, switch to resto bar for lich proc, switch to dual wield bar, pop a pot(must give major intellect) for alchemist passive

the problem is, you can't get lich in impen so you're gonna be even more squishy than magblade already is

Reevster wrote: »

I don't think you can get 4k plus spell power "and" 4k Mag recovery at the same time, I call BS on that. The only way to get 4k magic recovery is to take away spell power.

edit:

This is without alchemist
/thread

Please enlighten me how to this set up will give you 4.2k Regen, Lich set proc only adds 1k recovery, so 3.2k is still pretty high?

Atro stone + lich set boni + lich proc + potion + CP+ magika controller passive + vamp passives(bonus points if altmer for 10% regen bonus). You don't need 3.2k base, not nearly.

l2maths

Did your maths also tell you that 4k recovery is a huge waste? You can do much better if you sink some of that into SD. Also, I run 0 impen pieces on my magblade, and I have no problems in cyrodiil with being squishy. I also don't use cloak or harness magicka. It's all about the self-heals and dodge! That, and just paying attention to what the other person is doing.

Reevster

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

None of this is correct, since none of these sets will also give you 4k regen.

The correct build to achieve 4k regen and 4k spell damage is:

5 lich - 4 armor + resto
5 alchemist - 3 armor + dual swords
3 willpower - jewelry all spell dam enchants

get low on magika, switch to resto bar for lich proc, switch to dual wield bar, pop a pot(must give major intellect) for alchemist passive

the problem is, you can't get lich in impen so you're gonna be even more squishy than magblade already is

Reevster wrote: »

I don't think you can get 4k plus spell power "and" 4k Mag recovery at the same time, I call BS on that. The only way to get 4k magic recovery is to take away spell power.

edit:

This is without alchemist
/thread

Please enlighten me how to this set up will give you 4.2k Regen, Lich set proc only adds 1k recovery, so 3.2k is still pretty high?

Atro stone + lich set boni + lich proc + potion + CP+ magika controller passive + vamp passives(bonus points if altmer for 10% regen bonus). You don't need 3.2k base, not nearly.

l2maths

Edit: Lich on resto bar is just so so strong on magika builds. Sorc, for example, can run 5 lich 2 kena 3 willpower 2 torugs for crazy burst and limitless sustain. I'm playing around with it on magika DK atm as well and its just disgusting

Your stacking potions and procs lol, i am saying base 4 k spell damage and 4 k mag regen is BS , you dont have those specs 100 percent of the time.... show me a set up that has base 4k SD plus 4k mag regen.... and I will give you a cookie.

Lexxypwns

Autolycus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

None of this is correct, since none of these sets will also give you 4k regen.

The correct build to achieve 4k regen and 4k spell damage is:

5 lich - 4 armor + resto
5 alchemist - 3 armor + dual swords
3 willpower - jewelry all spell dam enchants

get low on magika, switch to resto bar for lich proc, switch to dual wield bar, pop a pot(must give major intellect) for alchemist passive

the problem is, you can't get lich in impen so you're gonna be even more squishy than magblade already is

Reevster wrote: »

I don't think you can get 4k plus spell power "and" 4k Mag recovery at the same time, I call BS on that. The only way to get 4k magic recovery is to take away spell power.

edit:

This is without alchemist
/thread

Please enlighten me how to this set up will give you 4.2k Regen, Lich set proc only adds 1k recovery, so 3.2k is still pretty high?

Atro stone + lich set boni + lich proc + potion + CP+ magika controller passive + vamp passives(bonus points if altmer for 10% regen bonus). You don't need 3.2k base, not nearly.

l2maths

Did your maths also tell you that 4k recovery is a huge waste? You can do much better if you sink some of that into SD. Also, I run 0 impen pieces on my magblade, and I have no problems in cyrodiil with being squishy. I also don't use cloak or harness magicka. It's all about the self-heals and dodge! That, and just paying attention to what the other person is doing.

4k recovery is a waste, I wouldn't personally ever run so much. I'm just stating that its possible. In Jules' screenshot you can see 3600 spell dam and 46k mag, which is an absolute ton of damage. You could easily run a different mundus stone, though.

If you're pvp'ing in 0 impen you're gonna get eaten alive by stam burst builds played by equally skilled players, unless you're getting crit mitigation from blocking, damage shields(basically sorc or healthplar exclusive, since they have the only reliable class damage shields), or from transmutation set(requires group play or build sacrifices).

@Reevster its a specific build, designed to do specific things. You use the alchemist proc to do outlandish burst, while having the lich proc to ensure you have the magika to get away. You don't need 100% uptime on either of these since you're in 1 of 3 phases with this setup: Burst, escape, or positioning/buffing. At no point do I claim you have 100% up time on these things, just that it is indeed possible to achieve.

aLi3nZ

I also pvp as mageblade with 0 impen. I have 22k spell resist 18k physical and 26k health because using cloak frequently. 2x heavy armour, 5x light. 100 points elemental defender, 67 hardy. Swallow soul spamming=no death unless swarmed/stun locked. It is the enemy that needs to watch out for the mageblade burst potential.

Personally I don't think it's worth running lich although I have yet to try it. It sacrifices to much damage while there are other ways to get better sustain. I run clever alchemist and vicious death these days. I tried hard to make 950 Magika recovery and 38k Magika work for me similar to what syper does but couldn't. I much prefer running orsininum drink for the 5k health and extra recovery. Plenty of Magika to set off a bomb and then cloak into the shadows to stalk more prey. Also enough Magika + recovery to duel or 1vX. There was no way I could do that with the extra Magika and food build.

psychotic13

aLi3nZ wrote: »

I also pvp as mageblade with 0 impen. I have 22k spell resist 18k physical and 26k health because using cloak frequently. 2x heavy armour, 5x light. 100 points elemental defender, 67 hardy. Swallow soul spamming=no death unless swarmed/stun locked. It is the enemy that needs to watch out for the mageblade burst potential.

Personally I don't think it's worth running lich although I have yet to try it. It sacrifices to much damage while there are other ways to get better sustain. I run clever alchemist and vicious death these days. I tried hard to make 950 Magika recovery and 38k Magika work for me similar to what syper does but couldn't. I much prefer running orsininum drink for the 5k health and extra recovery. Plenty of Magika to set off a bomb and then cloak into the shadows to stalk more prey. Also enough Magika + recovery to duel or 1vX. There was no way I could do that with the extra Magika and food build.

Is the orsinum gold food any good? I currently use either tri drinks (PvP) or tri food (PvE) when I need more health for dungeons to stop me getting 1 shotted.

Vangy

Lexxypwns wrote: »

None of this is correct, since none of these sets will also give you 4k regen.

The correct build to achieve 4k regen and 4k spell damage is:

5 lich - 4 armor + resto
5 alchemist - 3 armor + dual swords
3 willpower - jewelry all spell dam enchants

get low on magika, switch to resto bar for lich proc, switch to dual wield bar, pop a pot(must give major intellect) for alchemist passive

the problem is, you can't get lich in impen so you're gonna be even more squishy than magblade already is

Reevster wrote: »

I don't think you can get 4k plus spell power "and" 4k Mag recovery at the same time, I call BS on that. The only way to get 4k magic recovery is to take away spell power.

edit:

This is without alchemist
/thread

Mic drop...

I got the tingles in a silly place when I read this. Has my kittens plz?

Xarc

2k magicka regen is enough, i have this atm with my altmer lvl40 and I'm never out of magicka. 4k to spam during 120sec a skill may be usefull but really... i don't know why should i do it.

Septimus_Magna

Magicka regen increases by 10% for each support skill slotted and you get 20% spell/weapon dmg boost for 10 minutes after you capture a resource.

If you slot 4x support skills, 1x siphoning skill, capture a resource and sneak your stats will look sick as a NB but its not the stats you'll have in combat.

psychotic13

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Magicka regen increases by 10% for each support skill slotted and you get 20% spell/weapon dmg boost for 10 minutes after you capture a resource.

If you slot 4x support skills, 1x siphoning skill, capture a resource and sneak your stats will look sick as a NB but its not the stats you'll have in combat.

I guess you could improve your character sheet drastically by this, but like you said they won't be the stats you have in combat.

People should state what buffs ect they have when posting screenshots, they can be misleading otherwise.

Jules

Lexxypwns wrote: »

None of this is correct, since none of these sets will also give you 4k regen.

The correct build to achieve 4k regen and 4k spell damage is:

5 lich - 4 armor + resto
5 alchemist - 3 armor + dual swords
3 willpower - jewelry all spell dam enchants

get low on magika, switch to resto bar for lich proc, switch to dual wield bar, pop a pot(must give major intellect) for alchemist passive

the problem is, you can't get lich in impen so you're gonna be even more squishy than magblade already is

Reevster wrote: »

I don't think you can get 4k plus spell power "and" 4k Mag recovery at the same time, I call BS on that. The only way to get 4k magic recovery is to take away spell power.

edit:

This is without alchemist
/thread

I don't run alchemist. I hate that set.

Autolycus

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

None of this is correct, since none of these sets will also give you 4k regen.

The correct build to achieve 4k regen and 4k spell damage is:

5 lich - 4 armor + resto
5 alchemist - 3 armor + dual swords
3 willpower - jewelry all spell dam enchants

get low on magika, switch to resto bar for lich proc, switch to dual wield bar, pop a pot(must give major intellect) for alchemist passive

the problem is, you can't get lich in impen so you're gonna be even more squishy than magblade already is

Reevster wrote: »

I don't think you can get 4k plus spell power "and" 4k Mag recovery at the same time, I call BS on that. The only way to get 4k magic recovery is to take away spell power.

edit:

This is without alchemist
/thread

Please enlighten me how to this set up will give you 4.2k Regen, Lich set proc only adds 1k recovery, so 3.2k is still pretty high?

Atro stone + lich set boni + lich proc + potion + CP+ magika controller passive + vamp passives(bonus points if altmer for 10% regen bonus). You don't need 3.2k base, not nearly.

l2maths

Did your maths also tell you that 4k recovery is a huge waste? You can do much better if you sink some of that into SD. Also, I run 0 impen pieces on my magblade, and I have no problems in cyrodiil with being squishy. I also don't use cloak or harness magicka. It's all about the self-heals and dodge! That, and just paying attention to what the other person is doing.

4k recovery is a waste, I wouldn't personally ever run so much. I'm just stating that its possible. In Jules' screenshot you can see 3600 spell dam and 46k mag, which is an absolute ton of damage. You could easily run a different mundus stone, though.

If you're pvp'ing in 0 impen you're gonna get eaten alive by stam burst builds played by equally skilled players, unless you're getting crit mitigation from blocking, damage shields(basically sorc or healthplar exclusive, since they have the only reliable class damage shields), or from transmutation set(requires group play or build sacrifices).

@Reevster its a specific build, designed to do specific things. You use the alchemist proc to do outlandish burst, while having the lich proc to ensure you have the magika to get away. You don't need 100% uptime on either of these since you're in 1 of 3 phases with this setup: Burst, escape, or positioning/buffing. At no point do I claim you have 100% up time on these things, just that it is indeed possible to achieve.

I'm mostly in agreement with you, except the part about impen. I feel it's important to note that I am not discrediting the value or validity of impen; it's an important stat for cyrodiil. All I'm saying is that it's not an end-all, be-all, and an experienced player with good gear can still survive many, many ganks without any impen.

I know this because I do it all the time. I run in full light, no impen gear, and I am the gank bait of our group. I literally make myself an easy target for gankers, and in the vast majority of situations I come out on top. I'm not perfect, and I'm sure my build isn't either. Point is, you can still die just as quickly to someone if you are inexperienced, even with full impen. The opposite is true too; you can just as easily survive a high crit build with no impen gear, provided you know what you're doing.