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As a Dunmar Magic fire DK should I...
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pretzl✭✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »
You're trying to say dualwield main-bar is viable. I disagree. Which part of our debate is not the same?
You're trying to say 500 spelldmg is superior to LA weaving with a staff. I also disagree here.
I don't see how our discussion is somehow abnormal?
Will you please take your head out of your ass, thank you. All you've done is moan, because it doesn't work for you it doesn't mean it won't work full stop, get over yourself.
I've never said it won't work full stop. I've said it's a stupid move to use it because it is. In my opinion it's a blatant lie to OP claiming that DW mainbar will somehow outperform destro staff on a Magicka DK. But hey, that's just my opinion so if you don't like me contributing to the discussion here feel free to *** off kthxbaiCP | Chronically Capped
Characters | pretzL (Stamblade) , Brannbil (Stamplar) , Spicy pretzL (mDK) , Campingbil (MagSorc) , Saltkringla (Magplar) , Disco Dan (sDK) , Darth Salty (Mag NB) , Plebsorc (Stamsorc), pretzLeroni (Magplar), Mahoogler (pvp mDK)
Guilds | HODOR & Who Pulled
Kindling Power Magicka DK Build
twitch.tv/pretzlcsgo3 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »I still can't honestly believe people in here are actually SUGGESTING DW for PvE DPS. Even worse; some people are suggesting it for your main-bar *cringe*.
Strictly for PvE, Destro/Destro will ALWAYS outperform Destro/Resto or Destro/DW. DW on mainbar is just plain *** as you're loosing a crapton of DPS by not weaving. The extra damage from DW tree does NOT outweigh the damage you get from weaving and thus proccing Kena.
I'm not going to claim I'm the best Magicka DK in this game - far from it - but this guide will certainly give you better tips than anything provided in this thread...
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-2-3-x-kindling-power-the-salty-version-of-a-magicka-dk/
Shame on people for suggesting DW main-bar and being serious about it.
Can't wait to post my DK build...you're gonna love DW mainbar...Coming Soon...
You're gonna make me throw up. But he, if you beat my parses with dw mainbar I'll be watching!
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It is considering how much time you loose by trying to proc kena with dual swords.Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »I still can't honestly believe people in here are actually SUGGESTING DW for PvE DPS. Even worse; some people are suggesting it for your main-bar *cringe*.
Strictly for PvE, Destro/Destro will ALWAYS outperform Destro/Resto or Destro/DW. DW on mainbar is just plain *** as you're loosing a crapton of DPS by not weaving. The extra damage from DW tree does NOT outweigh the damage you get from weaving and thus proccing Kena.
I'm not going to claim I'm the best Magicka DK in this game - far from it - but this guide will certainly give you better tips than anything provided in this thread...
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-2-3-x-kindling-power-the-salty-version-of-a-magicka-dk/
Shame on people for suggesting DW main-bar and being serious about it.
Have you seen this? http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pvewhips-n-chains-the-naughty-version-of-magicka-dk-by-iwm/
yeah, have you?
suggesting DW as main-bar... jesus christ.
Yeah, 475 extra spell dmg is basically neglectable.
I was able to pull 25k dps before my DW was fully leveled, how is that not viable dps?
I can pull 40k+ on any ST Vet dung boss. I'm nearing 36k on mantikora. How is 25k then viable? Haha.
Have you even tested how much more damage your light weaves with a staff do compared to dw light? Have you seen how much easier it is to proc kena on a staff?Oh_Skrivva wrote: »Even if one used dw for main bar you can still light attack weave since your gonna be up close anyway with whips. I've been switching back and fourth between to test. Though I haven't seen much difference in my parse either way. Average 30k dps with no spell power buff or war horn from group. So I'm starting to think use which you prefer. If I can ever get a maelstrom fire destro I'll def go for staff on main bar cause from my buddies testing if you have on back bar you lose the bonus from ligh/heavy attacks when you switch to front bar if your front bar weapon is not a maelstrom destro staff.
Saying DW mainbar is viable is just plain stupid.
DW off-bar is certainly viable, but that's more nitpicking than anything.
Kena is actually a terrible set precisely because you have to LA to keep it up. You lose a ton of damage by using it.I'd rather go Skoria or Nerieneth and medium weave.0 -
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✭Destro staff main bar in pve. Never dual wield main bar for pve content. Dual wield would be used for aoe's on off bar. Main bar destro staff is too good with the medium weave.
This statement is true. Dual wield main bar is only better than staff mainbar if you are light weaving the staff such as for Kena Proc. In this case there is a way to make DW do more damage than Staff. However in every instance where you medium weave staff, staff will always win.0 -
pretzl✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
It is considering how much time you loose by trying to proc kena with dual swords.Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »I still can't honestly believe people in here are actually SUGGESTING DW for PvE DPS. Even worse; some people are suggesting it for your main-bar *cringe*.
Strictly for PvE, Destro/Destro will ALWAYS outperform Destro/Resto or Destro/DW. DW on mainbar is just plain *** as you're loosing a crapton of DPS by not weaving. The extra damage from DW tree does NOT outweigh the damage you get from weaving and thus proccing Kena.
I'm not going to claim I'm the best Magicka DK in this game - far from it - but this guide will certainly give you better tips than anything provided in this thread...
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-2-3-x-kindling-power-the-salty-version-of-a-magicka-dk/
Shame on people for suggesting DW main-bar and being serious about it.
Have you seen this? http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pvewhips-n-chains-the-naughty-version-of-magicka-dk-by-iwm/
yeah, have you?
suggesting DW as main-bar... jesus christ.
Yeah, 475 extra spell dmg is basically neglectable.
I was able to pull 25k dps before my DW was fully leveled, how is that not viable dps?
I can pull 40k+ on any ST Vet dung boss. I'm nearing 36k on mantikora. How is 25k then viable? Haha.
Have you even tested how much more damage your light weaves with a staff do compared to dw light? Have you seen how much easier it is to proc kena on a staff?Oh_Skrivva wrote: »Even if one used dw for main bar you can still light attack weave since your gonna be up close anyway with whips. I've been switching back and fourth between to test. Though I haven't seen much difference in my parse either way. Average 30k dps with no spell power buff or war horn from group. So I'm starting to think use which you prefer. If I can ever get a maelstrom fire destro I'll def go for staff on main bar cause from my buddies testing if you have on back bar you lose the bonus from ligh/heavy attacks when you switch to front bar if your front bar weapon is not a maelstrom destro staff.
Saying DW mainbar is viable is just plain stupid.
DW off-bar is certainly viable, but that's more nitpicking than anything.
Kena is actually a terrible set precisely because you have to LA to keep it up. You lose a ton of damage by using it.I'd rather go Skoria or Nerieneth and medium weave.
Haha, l2p issue.
You LA to proc kena, then go MA until kena runs out = more DPS than just medi weave skoria/nerien'ethCP | Chronically Capped
Characters | pretzL (Stamblade) , Brannbil (Stamplar) , Spicy pretzL (mDK) , Campingbil (MagSorc) , Saltkringla (Magplar) , Disco Dan (sDK) , Darth Salty (Mag NB) , Plebsorc (Stamsorc), pretzLeroni (Magplar), Mahoogler (pvp mDK)
Guilds | HODOR & Who Pulled
Kindling Power Magicka DK Build
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✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
It is considering how much time you loose by trying to proc kena with dual swords.Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »I still can't honestly believe people in here are actually SUGGESTING DW for PvE DPS. Even worse; some people are suggesting it for your main-bar *cringe*.
Strictly for PvE, Destro/Destro will ALWAYS outperform Destro/Resto or Destro/DW. DW on mainbar is just plain *** as you're loosing a crapton of DPS by not weaving. The extra damage from DW tree does NOT outweigh the damage you get from weaving and thus proccing Kena.
I'm not going to claim I'm the best Magicka DK in this game - far from it - but this guide will certainly give you better tips than anything provided in this thread...
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-2-3-x-kindling-power-the-salty-version-of-a-magicka-dk/
Shame on people for suggesting DW main-bar and being serious about it.
Have you seen this? http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pvewhips-n-chains-the-naughty-version-of-magicka-dk-by-iwm/
yeah, have you?
suggesting DW as main-bar... jesus christ.
Yeah, 475 extra spell dmg is basically neglectable.
I was able to pull 25k dps before my DW was fully leveled, how is that not viable dps?
I can pull 40k+ on any ST Vet dung boss. I'm nearing 36k on mantikora. How is 25k then viable? Haha.
Have you even tested how much more damage your light weaves with a staff do compared to dw light? Have you seen how much easier it is to proc kena on a staff?Oh_Skrivva wrote: »Even if one used dw for main bar you can still light attack weave since your gonna be up close anyway with whips. I've been switching back and fourth between to test. Though I haven't seen much difference in my parse either way. Average 30k dps with no spell power buff or war horn from group. So I'm starting to think use which you prefer. If I can ever get a maelstrom fire destro I'll def go for staff on main bar cause from my buddies testing if you have on back bar you lose the bonus from ligh/heavy attacks when you switch to front bar if your front bar weapon is not a maelstrom destro staff.
Saying DW mainbar is viable is just plain stupid.
DW off-bar is certainly viable, but that's more nitpicking than anything.
Kena is actually a terrible set precisely because you have to LA to keep it up. You lose a ton of damage by using it.I'd rather go Skoria or Nerieneth and medium weave.
Haha, l2p issue.
You LA to proc kena, then go MA until kena runs out = more DPS than just medi weave skoria/nerien'eth
Inb4 console peasants can't track buff timers!Edited by exeeter702 on April 10, 2016 6:16PM1 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
It is considering how much time you loose by trying to proc kena with dual swords.Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »I still can't honestly believe people in here are actually SUGGESTING DW for PvE DPS. Even worse; some people are suggesting it for your main-bar *cringe*.
Strictly for PvE, Destro/Destro will ALWAYS outperform Destro/Resto or Destro/DW. DW on mainbar is just plain *** as you're loosing a crapton of DPS by not weaving. The extra damage from DW tree does NOT outweigh the damage you get from weaving and thus proccing Kena.
I'm not going to claim I'm the best Magicka DK in this game - far from it - but this guide will certainly give you better tips than anything provided in this thread...
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-2-3-x-kindling-power-the-salty-version-of-a-magicka-dk/
Shame on people for suggesting DW main-bar and being serious about it.
Have you seen this? http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pvewhips-n-chains-the-naughty-version-of-magicka-dk-by-iwm/
yeah, have you?
suggesting DW as main-bar... jesus christ.
Yeah, 475 extra spell dmg is basically neglectable.
I was able to pull 25k dps before my DW was fully leveled, how is that not viable dps?
I can pull 40k+ on any ST Vet dung boss. I'm nearing 36k on mantikora. How is 25k then viable? Haha.
Have you even tested how much more damage your light weaves with a staff do compared to dw light? Have you seen how much easier it is to proc kena on a staff?Oh_Skrivva wrote: »Even if one used dw for main bar you can still light attack weave since your gonna be up close anyway with whips. I've been switching back and fourth between to test. Though I haven't seen much difference in my parse either way. Average 30k dps with no spell power buff or war horn from group. So I'm starting to think use which you prefer. If I can ever get a maelstrom fire destro I'll def go for staff on main bar cause from my buddies testing if you have on back bar you lose the bonus from ligh/heavy attacks when you switch to front bar if your front bar weapon is not a maelstrom destro staff.
Saying DW mainbar is viable is just plain stupid.
DW off-bar is certainly viable, but that's more nitpicking than anything.
Kena is actually a terrible set precisely because you have to LA to keep it up. You lose a ton of damage by using it.I'd rather go Skoria or Nerieneth and medium weave.
Haha, l2p issue.
You LA to proc kena, then go MA until kena runs out = more DPS than just medi weave skoria/nerien'eth
l2p? So cute werent you running ele blockade on your back bar like last week? So far I've only seen a single parse on your guide and it's 31k on the Mage with your hardest hitting ability - Eruption and you had no idea why, let me enlighten you, it's because that 31k was mostly AoE dps. If you take away the atros and the axes that got damaged by your AoE I doubt you'd be above 25k. You claim to be getting 36k on Manti, yet if I got that I would definitely screenshot it and post it...please back up your ego with some hard facts, I suggest bloodspawn.0 -
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✭exeeter702 wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
It is considering how much time you loose by trying to proc kena with dual swords.Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »I still can't honestly believe people in here are actually SUGGESTING DW for PvE DPS. Even worse; some people are suggesting it for your main-bar *cringe*.
Strictly for PvE, Destro/Destro will ALWAYS outperform Destro/Resto or Destro/DW. DW on mainbar is just plain *** as you're loosing a crapton of DPS by not weaving. The extra damage from DW tree does NOT outweigh the damage you get from weaving and thus proccing Kena.
I'm not going to claim I'm the best Magicka DK in this game - far from it - but this guide will certainly give you better tips than anything provided in this thread...
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-2-3-x-kindling-power-the-salty-version-of-a-magicka-dk/
Shame on people for suggesting DW main-bar and being serious about it.
Have you seen this? http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pvewhips-n-chains-the-naughty-version-of-magicka-dk-by-iwm/
yeah, have you?
suggesting DW as main-bar... jesus christ.
Yeah, 475 extra spell dmg is basically neglectable.
I was able to pull 25k dps before my DW was fully leveled, how is that not viable dps?
I can pull 40k+ on any ST Vet dung boss. I'm nearing 36k on mantikora. How is 25k then viable? Haha.
Have you even tested how much more damage your light weaves with a staff do compared to dw light? Have you seen how much easier it is to proc kena on a staff?Oh_Skrivva wrote: »Even if one used dw for main bar you can still light attack weave since your gonna be up close anyway with whips. I've been switching back and fourth between to test. Though I haven't seen much difference in my parse either way. Average 30k dps with no spell power buff or war horn from group. So I'm starting to think use which you prefer. If I can ever get a maelstrom fire destro I'll def go for staff on main bar cause from my buddies testing if you have on back bar you lose the bonus from ligh/heavy attacks when you switch to front bar if your front bar weapon is not a maelstrom destro staff.
Saying DW mainbar is viable is just plain stupid.
DW off-bar is certainly viable, but that's more nitpicking than anything.
Kena is actually a terrible set precisely because you have to LA to keep it up. You lose a ton of damage by using it.I'd rather go Skoria or Nerieneth and medium weave.
Haha, l2p issue.
You LA to proc kena, then go MA until kena runs out = more DPS than just medi weave skoria/nerien'eth
Inb4 console peasants can't track buff timers!
Just so you're aware were both on PC and it's not about tracking, I don't care if you execute your LA-MA switch perfectly you are still doing 2 LA'S every 6 seconds which is a huge dps loss. Also Pretzl claims it's an l2p issue yet in his single parse for his guide there are ONLY LA's...0 -
pretzl✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
It is considering how much time you loose by trying to proc kena with dual swords.Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »I still can't honestly believe people in here are actually SUGGESTING DW for PvE DPS. Even worse; some people are suggesting it for your main-bar *cringe*.
Strictly for PvE, Destro/Destro will ALWAYS outperform Destro/Resto or Destro/DW. DW on mainbar is just plain *** as you're loosing a crapton of DPS by not weaving. The extra damage from DW tree does NOT outweigh the damage you get from weaving and thus proccing Kena.
I'm not going to claim I'm the best Magicka DK in this game - far from it - but this guide will certainly give you better tips than anything provided in this thread...
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-2-3-x-kindling-power-the-salty-version-of-a-magicka-dk/
Shame on people for suggesting DW main-bar and being serious about it.
Have you seen this? http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pvewhips-n-chains-the-naughty-version-of-magicka-dk-by-iwm/
yeah, have you?
suggesting DW as main-bar... jesus christ.
Yeah, 475 extra spell dmg is basically neglectable.
I was able to pull 25k dps before my DW was fully leveled, how is that not viable dps?
I can pull 40k+ on any ST Vet dung boss. I'm nearing 36k on mantikora. How is 25k then viable? Haha.
Have you even tested how much more damage your light weaves with a staff do compared to dw light? Have you seen how much easier it is to proc kena on a staff?Oh_Skrivva wrote: »Even if one used dw for main bar you can still light attack weave since your gonna be up close anyway with whips. I've been switching back and fourth between to test. Though I haven't seen much difference in my parse either way. Average 30k dps with no spell power buff or war horn from group. So I'm starting to think use which you prefer. If I can ever get a maelstrom fire destro I'll def go for staff on main bar cause from my buddies testing if you have on back bar you lose the bonus from ligh/heavy attacks when you switch to front bar if your front bar weapon is not a maelstrom destro staff.
Saying DW mainbar is viable is just plain stupid.
DW off-bar is certainly viable, but that's more nitpicking than anything.
Kena is actually a terrible set precisely because you have to LA to keep it up. You lose a ton of damage by using it.I'd rather go Skoria or Nerieneth and medium weave.
Haha, l2p issue.
You LA to proc kena, then go MA until kena runs out = more DPS than just medi weave skoria/nerien'eth
l2p? So cute werent you running ele blockade on your back bar like last week? So far I've only seen a single parse on your guide and it's 31k on the Mage with your hardest hitting ability - Eruption and you had no idea why, let me enlighten you, it's because that 31k was mostly AoE dps. If you take away the atros and the axes that got damaged by your AoE I doubt you'd be above 25k. You claim to be getting 36k on Manti, yet if I got that I would definitely screenshot it and post it...please back up your ego with some hard facts, I suggest bloodspawn.
Daaaaamn... SALT!
I've made mistakes and corrected them in my build, I can easily admit that.
I will, however, not lie. LA + Kena easily outperform MA + Skoria. [snip]
Ele Wall on my backbar really made no difference as I do not have vMA staff. Just a heads up.
And please refer me to where I say I can actually pull 36k on manti. I've said it's POSSIBLE - not that I've done it. I've managed 30k, but with mistakes. I don't post parses with mistakes.
I'm never going to claim I'm the smartest or most experienced DK, let alone player, in this game. I do, however, posess decent knowledge to know what's good and what isn't. You should really try to find that for yourself and stop being so damn salty. [snip]
[edited for bait]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on April 11, 2016 10:20PMCP | Chronically Capped
Characters | pretzL (Stamblade) , Brannbil (Stamplar) , Spicy pretzL (mDK) , Campingbil (MagSorc) , Saltkringla (Magplar) , Disco Dan (sDK) , Darth Salty (Mag NB) , Plebsorc (Stamsorc), pretzLeroni (Magplar), Mahoogler (pvp mDK)
Guilds | HODOR & Who Pulled
Kindling Power Magicka DK Build
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✭Daaaaamn... SALT!
I've made mistakes and corrected them in my build, I can easily admit that.
I will, however, not lie. LA + Kena easily outperform MA + Skoria.
Ele Wall on my backbar really made no difference as I do not have vMA staff. Just a heads up.
And please refer me to where I say I can actually pull 36k on manti. I've said it's POSSIBLE - not that I've done it. I've managed 30k, but with mistakes. I don't post parses with mistakes.
I'm never going to claim I'm the smartest or most experienced DK, let alone player, in this game. I do, however, posess decent knowledge to know what's good and what isn't. You should really try to find that for yourself and stop being so damn salty.
1. The only reason I took it there is because you decided to go with a l2p comment. I play all classes and have been playing since beta, therefore I find it cute for you to tell me to l2p. If you keep the discussion civil we can refrain from being aggressive.
2. Ele wall does make a difference since a bar swap takes time away from your rotation and ele wall is an 8 second DoT that belongs ONLY on your front bar in staff/staff build. Your back bar should contain all the longer duration abilities such as Eruption, sea of flames etc...
3. Your LA in your mage parse only did 6% DPS. My medium weaves account for 15+% of my dps. I run all the same dots as you since there really is so little choice for a dk.
4. I would like to seconded a video of a 1 minute plus fight where you use Kena so I can estimate how much spell damage you are acruelly getting, because I doubt your Kena uptime is above 80%.
5. There is a comment by you stating that you are nearing 36k on mantikora on page 1 of this very thread. 30k is not 36k....this thread has a total of 2 pages and you already forgot what you said?
6. Lol ok dude...you're name calling I'm not going to resort to that:) you are a new player that has no idea how to maximize the power of the class that you play. I have 4 magicka toons of every class and 1 stam. I've been playing a DK and pulling the numbers you posted before you even joined the game, but keep talking:)
7. Let's make a deal you start posting at least Mashie numbers from before TG, and then I'll take you seriously:)
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He's not moaning you need to justify that the increased spell power is worth the downsides mainly lose of regen, and light attack dpspsychotic13 wrote: »
You're trying to say dualwield main-bar is viable. I disagree. Which part of our debate is not the same?
You're trying to say 500 spelldmg is superior to LA weaving with a staff. I also disagree here.
I don't see how our discussion is somehow abnormal?
Will you please take your head out of your ass, thank you. All you've done is moan, because it doesn't work for you it doesn't mean it won't work full stop, get over yourself.
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✭Resipsa131 wrote: »
He's not moaning you need to justify that the increased spell power is worth the downsides mainly lose of regen, and light attack dpspsychotic13 wrote: »
You're trying to say dualwield main-bar is viable. I disagree. Which part of our debate is not the same?
You're trying to say 500 spelldmg is superior to LA weaving with a staff. I also disagree here.
I don't see how our discussion is somehow abnormal?
Will you please take your head out of your ass, thank you. All you've done is moan, because it doesn't work for you it doesn't mean it won't work full stop, get over yourself.
It would be tough to beat staff main bar, I have a theory, but not sure if it will pan out. However DW back bar is a DEFINITE dps gain if you use moondancer swords on back bar with 3 Moondancer Jewelry.0 -
pretzl✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
It is considering how much time you loose by trying to proc kena with dual swords.Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »I still can't honestly believe people in here are actually SUGGESTING DW for PvE DPS. Even worse; some people are suggesting it for your main-bar *cringe*.
Strictly for PvE, Destro/Destro will ALWAYS outperform Destro/Resto or Destro/DW. DW on mainbar is just plain *** as you're loosing a crapton of DPS by not weaving. The extra damage from DW tree does NOT outweigh the damage you get from weaving and thus proccing Kena.
I'm not going to claim I'm the best Magicka DK in this game - far from it - but this guide will certainly give you better tips than anything provided in this thread...
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-2-3-x-kindling-power-the-salty-version-of-a-magicka-dk/
Shame on people for suggesting DW main-bar and being serious about it.
Have you seen this? http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pvewhips-n-chains-the-naughty-version-of-magicka-dk-by-iwm/
yeah, have you?
suggesting DW as main-bar... jesus christ.
Yeah, 475 extra spell dmg is basically neglectable.
I was able to pull 25k dps before my DW was fully leveled, how is that not viable dps?
I can pull 40k+ on any ST Vet dung boss. I'm nearing 36k on mantikora. How is 25k then viable? Haha.
Have you even tested how much more damage your light weaves with a staff do compared to dw light? Have you seen how much easier it is to proc kena on a staff?Oh_Skrivva wrote: »Even if one used dw for main bar you can still light attack weave since your gonna be up close anyway with whips. I've been switching back and fourth between to test. Though I haven't seen much difference in my parse either way. Average 30k dps with no spell power buff or war horn from group. So I'm starting to think use which you prefer. If I can ever get a maelstrom fire destro I'll def go for staff on main bar cause from my buddies testing if you have on back bar you lose the bonus from ligh/heavy attacks when you switch to front bar if your front bar weapon is not a maelstrom destro staff.
Saying DW mainbar is viable is just plain stupid.
DW off-bar is certainly viable, but that's more nitpicking than anything.
Kena is actually a terrible set precisely because you have to LA to keep it up. You lose a ton of damage by using it.I'd rather go Skoria or Nerieneth and medium weave.
Haha, l2p issue.
You LA to proc kena, then go MA until kena runs out = more DPS than just medi weave skoria/nerien'eth
l2p? So cute werent you running ele blockade on your back bar like last week? So far I've only seen a single parse on your guide and it's 31k on the Mage with your hardest hitting ability - Eruption and you had no idea why, let me enlighten you, it's because that 31k was mostly AoE dps. If you take away the atros and the axes that got damaged by your AoE I doubt you'd be above 25k. You claim to be getting 36k on Manti, yet if I got that I would definitely screenshot it and post it...please back up your ego with some hard facts, I suggest bloodspawn.
Daaaaamn... SALT!
I've made mistakes and corrected them in my build, I can easily admit that.
I will, however, not lie. LA + Kena easily outperform MA + Skoria. If you can't see that, you're even dumber than I thought.
Ele Wall on my backbar really made no difference as I do not have vMA staff. Just a heads up.
And please refer me to where I say I can actually pull 36k on manti. Please do. I've said it's POSSIBLE - not that I've done it. I've managed 30k, but with mistakes. I don't post parses with mistakes.
I'm never going to claim I'm the smartest or most experienced DK, let alone player, in this game. I do, however, posess decent knowledge to know what's good and what isn't. You should really try to find that for yourself and stop being so damn salty.
And nice info taken from my thread replies on eruption, he. You're even dumber than I thought.
Clearly a l2p issue.
1. The only reason I took it there is because you decided to go with a l2p comment. I play all classes and have been playing since beta, therefore I find it cute for you to tell me to l2p. If you keep the discussion civil we can refrain from being aggressive.
2. Ele wall does make a difference since a bar swap takes time away from your rotation and ele wall is an 8 second DoT that belongs ONLY on your front bar in staff/staff build. Your back bar should contain all the longer duration abilities such as Eruption, sea of flames etc...
3. Your LA in your mage parse only did 6% DPS. My medium weaves account for 15+% of my dps. I run all the same dots as you since there really is so little choice for a dk.
4. I would like to seconded a video of a 1 minute plus fight where you use Kena so I can estimate how much spell damage you are acruelly getting, because I doubt your Kena uptime is above 80%.
5. There is a comment by you stating that you are nearing 36k on mantikora on page 1 of this very thread. 30k is not 36k....this thread has a total of 2 pages and you already forgot what you said?
6. Lol ok dude...you're name calling I'm not going to resort to that:) you are a new player that has no idea how to maximize the power of the class that you play. I have 4 magicka toons of every class and 1 stam. I've been playing a DK and pulling the numbers you posted before you even joined the game, but keep talking:)
7. Let's make a deal you start posting at least Mashie numbers from before TG, and then I'll take you seriously:)
Really? You get this pissed because of a l2p issue comment? It was a *** joke. [snip] Calm your ***. I have no doubt you're a decent player. You and your Mundus buddies need to get off your high horse tho, jeez.
I'm curious as to how you know how long I've been playing, but I'm not gonna stick around long enough to find out. Worst part is I actually wanted to discuss things with you.
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✭✭✭✭I'd stick with fire destro staff as main weapon , in pvp i'd use shield and sword only to close the gap with bash
edit: on second bar the shield and sword
Nah, you need a resto. Whips, embers and draw essence gives healing, but doesn't always work if you're on the defensive.
Also, use chains as a gap closer. Don't use stam on a gap closer, get CCed then can't break free and die.
I run dual wield and resto for pvp. Purely for the most damage.
Don't pve with my magica Dk, but it'd definitely be staff on one bar if not both.Edited by Brrrofski on April 11, 2016 7:07AM0 -
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✭Really? You get this pissed because of a l2p issue comment? It was a *** joke. Calm your ***. I have no doubt you're a decent player. You and your Mundus buddies need to get off your high horse tho, jeez.
I'm curious as to how you know how long I've been playing, but I'm not gonna stick around long enough to find out. Worst part is I actually wanted to discuss things with you.
I assume you are a new player simply because your guide for a dk had so many simple errors that a person familiar with the class wouldn't make, and that is OK, we all make mistakes. What isn't ok is to go around and be all condescending to other people's ideas and then act like you are this amazing player. Look over your comments on the first page. The OP was asking a question and trying to understand the benefits of staff VS DW. The mature person would simply explain the benefits of both to him and show him that staff main bar is better. Instead you proceed to mock and belittle him and others. Sorry but no I'm not going to let that go.
I didn't get upset at what you said to me. It is your condescending attitude towards other people. That is primarily what bothers me.
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It is considering how much time you loose by trying to proc kena with dual swords.Septimus_Magna wrote: »Septimus_Magna wrote: »I still can't honestly believe people in here are actually SUGGESTING DW for PvE DPS. Even worse; some people are suggesting it for your main-bar *cringe*.
Strictly for PvE, Destro/Destro will ALWAYS outperform Destro/Resto or Destro/DW. DW on mainbar is just plain *** as you're loosing a crapton of DPS by not weaving. The extra damage from DW tree does NOT outweigh the damage you get from weaving and thus proccing Kena.
I'm not going to claim I'm the best Magicka DK in this game - far from it - but this guide will certainly give you better tips than anything provided in this thread...
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pve-2-3-x-kindling-power-the-salty-version-of-a-magicka-dk/
Shame on people for suggesting DW main-bar and being serious about it.
Have you seen this? http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/pvewhips-n-chains-the-naughty-version-of-magicka-dk-by-iwm/
yeah, have you?
suggesting DW as main-bar... jesus christ.
Yeah, 475 extra spell dmg is basically neglectable.
I was able to pull 25k dps before my DW was fully leveled, how is that not viable dps?
I can pull 40k+ on any ST Vet dung boss. I'm nearing 36k on mantikora. How is 25k then viable? Haha.
We're not even debating the same point mate..
You're trying to say dualwield main-bar is viable. I disagree. Which part of our debate is not the same?
You're trying to say 500 spelldmg is superior to LA weaving with a staff. I also disagree here.
I don't see how our discussion is somehow abnormal?
What content cannot be cleared with DW as main dmg bar then?
Good players like Mashinate pull 33k dps on the Manitkora but thats somehow not enough now?
Again, Im not saying DW is the best option for every magicka DK, just that its a viable option for end game dps.
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caperon✭✭✭✭I think that staff is better in main bar. It procs kena easier than dual, medium weaves do a lot of dps and return magicka. Wall of elements is one of the top dmg skills right now in the game,specially with maelstrom staff, so its better have it in the main bar.
With all respects to Mashinate, clearly an excellent player in an excellent players group, 33k dps on a 46s fight (dmg/dps) is not that much dps if you count that almost half of the fight was with banner up. I've done 28.5k dps with julianos, skoria and precise maelstrom in the manti in a 1m 30s fight (not everyone plays with the perfect group). The same mashinate probably could do 35k+ using sharpened maelstrom staff in that group.
Said that, the dw moondancer idea in the back bar seems pretty good for having the benefits of the 5 trait buff, i like it.Edited by caperon on April 11, 2016 5:51PM0 -
old_mufasa✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO and pretzl not that I want to jump the middle here but I was wondering what are the builds you are currently running? As I'm still learning seeing your builds would help. Thanks.0
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✭old_mufasa wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO and pretzl not that I want to jump the middle here but I was wondering what are the builds you are currently running? As I'm still learning seeing your builds would help. Thanks.
Hey, he is running a staff staff build which is BiS for aingle target boss fights, until you have a 5 piece moondancer (3 jewelry/2 swords). At which point in my opinion 2 swords on the back bar would be more than worth the loss of a staff. Without this set however the loss of an opener heavy attack and the loss of weaves from the back bar abilities most likely will be a dps loss on every fight with no adds. On the fights where adds are present I believe the Dual Wield on back bar would be better dps...
Also not a big fan of Kena, so in my build I don't use it...Edited by hedna123b14_ESO on April 11, 2016 7:56PM0 -
pretzl✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »old_mufasa wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO and pretzl not that I want to jump the middle here but I was wondering what are the builds you are currently running? As I'm still learning seeing your builds would help. Thanks.
Hey, he is running a staff staff build which is BiS for aingle target boss fights, until you have a 5 piece moondancer (3 jewelry/2 swords). At which point in my opinion 2 swords on the back bar would be more than worth the loss of a staff. Without this set however the loss of an opener heavy attack and the loss of weaves from the back bar abilities most likely will be a dps loss on every fight with no adds. On the fights where adds are present I believe the Dual Wield on back bar would be better dps...
Also not a big fan of Kena, so in my build I don't use it...
Perfect, thank you
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Oh my! I'm so confused.
I think from the above I should stick with destro staff for main bar but everything else is making my brain hurt. Just got to VR16. Only starting PvP and getting my a** handed to me every 10 mins. I just have no idea what to do with my Dark Elf DK. Fire is clearly the way to go with all those DarkElf Skills ....
2 destro staffs seems a step towards madness, tried the bow... Meh! Tried DW, Meh!.... Sword and shield does not appeal either. Back to Dest/rest combo? Have high Majicka, only 8 in stamina.... Hmmmmm.
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frownsyndromes✭✭✭honestly i think the best option is resto/sword and board, ive put almost 1500 hours into my mag dk and the only thing that comes close to that combo is double sword and board, anyways if your sturggling with build and gameplay man check out my video
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Cheers buddy.... I'll check that out. :-)
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That's freaking cool....I'Zelda -VR 16 Dark Elf DragonKnight, Master Thief, Ebonheart Pact,(& 4 Other lower lvl characters lvl 7 to VR2)
Always looking willing comrades to conquer Craglorn as well as Wrothgar Daily Bosses, Undaunted Pledges, general dungeoning all while having a laugh in the process. Always around to help with questing or just to kill stuff for no real reason... Crafter of weapons and armour up to VR 16 (6 to 8 traits on most items (lacking nirnhoned trait))
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Never used sword and shield so it should be fun adventure regardless. I'd just ignored it as seemed too much like hard work.
Lazy Dragon Knight... Tut tut.
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Always looking willing comrades to conquer Craglorn as well as Wrothgar Daily Bosses, Undaunted Pledges, general dungeoning all while having a laugh in the process. Always around to help with questing or just to kill stuff for no real reason... Crafter of weapons and armour up to VR 16 (6 to 8 traits on most items (lacking nirnhoned trait))
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Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭Me seems the whole thread is a complete misunderstanding because the TO forgot to mention if he is looking for a build for PvE or PvP...
This forums seriously need a "learn to post" sticky :-)Edited by Flameheart on April 18, 2016 2:12PMSometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
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