MarronMarvel wrote: »This looks like a pretty interesting and awesome build. My main is a Templar healer/dps, and I recently made a magicka NB (thanks, Jubilee Cake). I've been tanking with 5 pieces of Armor Master (4 armor + shield), 5 Footman's (head, shoulder, jewelry), and 2 Spectre's Eye (sword and feet, leftover from my failed Tankplar experiment). I use this setup for tanking things that I feel hit harder like Molag Kena or that giant abomination in ICP; otherwise, I switch out the Footman's for Willpower and Nerien'eth. I've tanked all of the endgame content (normal Maw only) except Sanctum -- and that's what brought me to search for new NB tank builds. I would really, really like to take a stab (or Pierce Armor, if you will) at facing off with the Mantikora, but I'm afraid that my current build won't cut it.
So here is my question: Does Leeching/BC work for Sanctum? I worry that the lower proc rates of Leeching and Malubeth would not make them as effective as if we were pulling large mobs of adds such as in places like ICP and WGT. But, I did see you mention Mantikora (though briefly) in one reply above, so that does give me hope. If it does work well, are there any differences in your bar setup?
r.groenb16_ESO wrote: »Hello Gillia,
is it posible for you to update this guide for DB dlc, if there is anything to chance then??
I use this for my new argonian maid and well it is very exiting what goes on ;-))
Thnaks for all your work!
Gilliamtherogue wrote: »For Live I'd swap off of Leeching and into Armor Master for the extra health and resistances for Manti, and then swap back after that for the the rest of the instance. Manti deals high damage but attacks slower, so Leeching and Malubeth lower in value, while everything else has a higher rate of attack to proc it more. On PTS however, Manti has been changed to deal less damage up front but attack faster, so Leeching will increase in value there. Make sure to run evasion as well when fighting him, and put some points into Thick Skinned since his bleed ignores armor resistances and ticks pretty hard.
MarronMarvel wrote: »Gilliamtherogue wrote: »For Live I'd swap off of Leeching and into Armor Master for the extra health and resistances for Manti, and then swap back after that for the the rest of the instance. Manti deals high damage but attacks slower, so Leeching and Malubeth lower in value, while everything else has a higher rate of attack to proc it more. On PTS however, Manti has been changed to deal less damage up front but attack faster, so Leeching will increase in value there. Make sure to run evasion as well when fighting him, and put some points into Thick Skinned since his bleed ignores armor resistances and ticks pretty hard.
Thanks for this advice! I appreciate it. I thought I had a full set of Leeching, but I'm missing one piece, grrr! So, still looking forward to trying this build out. In the meantime, I did tank Mantikora with my Armor Master and survived, so I'm pretty excited. Hopefully I can get my last Leeching piece before the DLC comes out (I'm on PS4, so I have a bit more time).
@Gilliamtherogue and @Autolycus (and everyone else that added to this thread)...excellent information first off.
I am currently playing as a VR1 Magicka Breton NB and would love to try this out as it seems tanks are in shorter supply and it's something I've always been interested in. Questions I have are:
1) As a Breton would I follow the same stat allocation?
2) I am currently also a Vampire. Should I keep that or "cleanse" it? Should I switch to WW?
3) With DB coming out in a couple weeks should I hold off on changing from Magicka DPS or start learning to tank now? Since hitting VR1 I've been leveling my S/B and other "tank" skills while soloing.
4) How will the changes to gear stats/enchants effect this build when DB comes out?
Right now I have a good collection of different VR1-VR2 BC pieces saved up and have outstanding guildies who can help craft anything I may need. (Good thing about the guild I'm in is they encourage people to try out different specs/roles).
Also @Autolycus, would you mind posting a link to your build or possibly sending it my way? I would like to try out both yours and @Gilliamtherogue specs to see which feels more natural to me.
Appreciate your time and all the effort everyone has put into this. Happy Hunting. Thank you in advance.
Magnys
@Gilliamtherogue and @Autolycus (and everyone else that added to this thread)...excellent information first off.
I am currently playing as a VR1 Magicka Breton NB and would love to try this out as it seems tanks are in shorter supply and it's something I've always been interested in. Questions I have are:
1) As a Breton would I follow the same stat allocation?
2) I am currently also a Vampire. Should I keep that or "cleanse" it? Should I switch to WW?
3) With DB coming out in a couple weeks should I hold off on changing from Magicka DPS or start learning to tank now? Since hitting VR1 I've been leveling my S/B and other "tank" skills while soloing.
4) How will the changes to gear stats/enchants effect this build when DB comes out?
Right now I have a good collection of different VR1-VR2 BC pieces saved up and have outstanding guildies who can help craft anything I may need. (Good thing about the guild I'm in is they encourage people to try out different specs/roles).
Also @Autolycus, would you mind posting a link to your build or possibly sending it my way? I would like to try out both yours and @Gilliamtherogue specs to see which feels more natural to me.
Appreciate your time and all the effort everyone has put into this. Happy Hunting. Thank you in advance.
Magnys
Arkh__Longstride wrote: »@Gilliamtherogue awesome build, NB tank ftw
Returning player, starting from 0 (played on PS4)
Do you think is possible to go whit a 0 0 64 build, bosmer and still be effective?
That could allow me to also play a bosmer stam ganker
Exactly what i used to play on PS4 pre IC. NB stealth oneshotter in pvp, and quick switch to tank for some pve
Or i could go Redguard.. also in line whit a stamina pvp NB
What do you think?
asgardianrule wrote: »So I have chosen to try to build a tank and loved this thread so giving it a shot. I am going the Altmer route for the offensive magic version of this build. So you said to go BC armor and 1 Magicka Regen enchant and 2 Spell Damage?
Are there any other changes I would need to make such as slightly different skills or stat points? All 64 into mag right?
Thanks for your help. great guide
phreatophile wrote: »I was wondering if, since Bahara's and (I think) Leeching have had their double dip crit heals removed, and Malubeth has been nerfed; do you see any changes to this build being necessary?
BTW, I say Malubeth has been nerfed not fixed because the made it so only one beam at a time could proc but the occasional uber-heal still happens. Nerfed: yes, fixed: no.
Gilliamtherogue wrote: »asgardianrule wrote: »So I have chosen to try to build a tank and loved this thread so giving it a shot. I am going the Altmer route for the offensive magic version of this build. So you said to go BC armor and 1 Magicka Regen enchant and 2 Spell Damage?
Are there any other changes I would need to make such as slightly different skills or stat points? All 64 into mag right?
Thanks for your help. great guide
If you don't plan on tanking trials and just doing 4 man content/PvP then all 64 into Max Magicka is the way to go. Only running 1 Regen and 2 SD requires you to be very good at the Siphoning Attack proc without dropping block.
asgardianrule wrote: »So if I end up doing trails what will my stat split need to be? Will there be a better way to go for me than 1 regen 2sd?
From your other post it sounds like I should have made this guy a lizard as I just made him a couple days agoGilliamtherogue wrote: »asgardianrule wrote: »So I have chosen to try to build a tank and loved this thread so giving it a shot. I am going the Altmer route for the offensive magic version of this build. So you said to go BC armor and 1 Magicka Regen enchant and 2 Spell Damage?
Are there any other changes I would need to make such as slightly different skills or stat points? All 64 into mag right?
Thanks for your help. great guide
If you don't plan on tanking trials and just doing 4 man content/PvP then all 64 into Max Magicka is the way to go. Only running 1 Regen and 2 SD requires you to be very good at the Siphoning Attack proc without dropping block.
Would it be possible to complete vMA with this build?
WalksonGraves wrote: »My magika nb tank is a beast, vampires are the best option for self heals as invigorating drain gets up to 31% hp missing / sec plus ult. Anyone complaining about fire clearly never bothered reading all the passives, 30% dr more than absorbs the fire damage. I've never been killed by extra fire damage, if 20% more damage is a problem for you have terrible mitigation and have failed in your build.
@Gilliamtherogue and @Autolycus (and everyone else that added to this thread)...excellent information first off.
I am currently playing as a VR1 Magicka Breton NB and would love to try this out as it seems tanks are in shorter supply and it's something I've always been interested in. Questions I have are:
1) As a Breton would I follow the same stat allocation?
2) I am currently also a Vampire. Should I keep that or "cleanse" it? Should I switch to WW?
3) With DB coming out in a couple weeks should I hold off on changing from Magicka DPS or start learning to tank now? Since hitting VR1 I've been leveling my S/B and other "tank" skills while soloing.
4) How will the changes to gear stats/enchants effect this build when DB comes out?
Right now I have a good collection of different VR1-VR2 BC pieces saved up and have outstanding guildies who can help craft anything I may need. (Good thing about the guild I'm in is they encourage people to try out different specs/roles).
Also @Autolycus, would you mind posting a link to your build or possibly sending it my way? I would like to try out both yours and @Gilliamtherogue specs to see which feels more natural to me.
Appreciate your time and all the effort everyone has put into this. Happy Hunting. Thank you in advance.
Magnys
@Magnys I am happy to share my build, but I will do so privately since this is not the place for me to post builds. It would be disrespectful to Gilliam to clutter his build with mine.
As far as your specific questions go:
1. Bretons can afford to distribute their CP a little differently. Due to the inherent spell resistance, you can overweight Hardy and Thick Skinned slightly more than Elemental Defender.
2. Vampire is a preference. I personally find it to be too much liability for little to no utility. The magicka recovery component is the most attractive aspect of it, but NBs are also the easiest class to sustain, particularly for tanking. I wouldn't use it myself, but that doesn't mean you can't.
3. Most of the changes coming in DB that impact us as NB tanks are in CP. It's entirely possible that you may want a piece or two of sturdy for your block cost reduction. But outside of that, it shouldn't have that big of an impact on your gear selection.
4. As far as I can tell, not to a great degree. My personal build is barely changing at all. Others might fight that it is changing drastically, but that doesn't see to be a popular opinion as far as I know. The biggest concern right now seems to be block cost management, but a great deal of that was quelled when Wrobel officially said that there are plenty of places to get cost reduction. Also, as a NB tank, you can literally perma-sustain with just light attacks and siphoning attacks. If you get really, really good at light attack weaving, you will never have resource issues again (unless they nerf us). This means dropping block for a fraction of a second to light attack, and then animation cancelling that light attack by blocking. Timing is key.