Vicious Death WTH ???!!!!!

Jimbohere · April 2016

There's no way this is working as intended. It's supposed to explode when you kill a enemy player but I just got hit for 11k with no other players around. Yes I was getting ganked. Pvp is so unbalanced to begin with and they go and throw this in. Good god are they trying to ruin pvp all together ?

Sugaroverdose · April 2016

I guess it procs when target at extremely low health(less than 20?), if i remember it right - dead body cannot damage anyone with inevitable det on it, so this is "small workaround" by ZOS with motivation "meh, with such small hp he will die anyway".

sadownik · April 2016

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

I guess it procs when target at extremely low health(less than 20?), if i remember it right - dead body cannot damage anyone with inevitable det on it, so this is "small workaround" by ZOS with motivation "meh, with such small hp he will die anyway".

Hmm that does make sense and you can see the sloppy Z. school of design here clearly - you might be on to something.

Sugaroverdose · April 2016

In fact, i really surprised that people didn't start exploiting VD using "black sheep" with low resists and health who streaks into group of people, lets say DC(and black sheep is also DC), when he have inevitable det+velocious curse+ice comet on him from second exploiter in glass-canon build, i bet this will work much better than nightblade proxy-tether

Septimus_Magna · April 2016

My VD tooltip is more than 26k dmg, such a well balanced set.

Sugaroverdose · April 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

My VD tooltip is more than 26k dmg, such a well balanced set.

I get killed by VD couple of times(from different guys), and i noticed one thing - it had completely the same damage as ice comet crit from person who proc it.

Avnr · April 2016

i sure hope ZOS investigate this and not letting us guess

tired with all stupidly human bombs , zerg bombing , siege bombing
last update made the zerg more stronger , it's zerg vs zerg now
lone gangers now suicide bombers

bring us back to pure pvp

when i forced to join zerg group it's fun for few yes, ap go high sky and all and you feel strong , but in the end you nothing
just a chain in a zerg group who think they elite

BossTuggles · April 2016

Was there a deer, wolf, or any other rat like creature near you? I would not put it pass them that these things dieng would cause it.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · April 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

My VD tooltip is more than 26k dmg, such a well balanced set.

Almost as good as my 28.6k Meteor tool tip XD could even be higher if I wanted to make it

Sugaroverdose · April 2016

BossTuggles wrote: »

Was there a deer, wolf, or any other rat like creature near you? I would not put it pass them that these things dieng would cause it.

Good point, i didn't even think about it, good tip for VD gankers.
But i also died couple of times and saw VD proc and there's definitely nothing was around.

KenaPKK · April 2016

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Sanct16 · April 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

This.

Sugaroverdose · April 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Septimus_Magna · April 2016

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

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KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

Sugaroverdose · April 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

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Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

I'm not after VD in fact i do even think to try this:

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

In fact, i really surprised that people didn't start exploiting VD using "black sheep" with low resists and health who streaks into group of people, lets say DC(and black sheep is also DC), when he have inevitable det+velocious curse+ice comet on him from second exploiter in glass-canon build, i bet this will work much better than nightblade proxy-tether

as zerg demotivation tool, but i don't like and don't trust cheap excuses which ZOS posts on forums over and over again.

Septimus_Magna · April 2016

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

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Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

Rune_Relic · April 2016

Actually the new trick is carpet bombing an area with fire ballista before multi bombing with VD and det.
That's all it is now.
siege in the face + proxy + vd
VD by proxy is lethal I guess

We need rubber amour :cough:

anyone would think I was a vamp the amount of fire damage I am taking.
Throw in ddos, lag and all-at-once updates

How do you dodge roll a carpet bombed area.. how else can you avoid it without perma blocking for 0 stamina.

Is the 20% damage bonus after keep/resoruce takes way too much now with all the other buffs ?
Is the game impacted too much by dynamic bonuses that ZOS themselves provide no way of tracking in combat ?

GRxKnight · April 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

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Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Sugaroverdose · April 2016

Get killed couple of times yesterday by people with VD, while server was laggy and noticed: VD proc when you get killing blow, procs, and after that you dying from killing blow, so it doesn't actually kills you, it's even gives you something like 100ms to do something before dying

GRxKnight wrote: »

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Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Does someone really kills zergs with VD? Most of the times i see VD users as part of zergs.

Zheg · April 2016

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Get killed couple of times yesterday by people with VD, while server was laggy and noticed: VD proc when you get killing blow, procs, and after that you dying from killing blow, so it doesn't actually kills you, it's even gives you something like 100ms to do something before dying
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GRxKnight wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Does someone really kills zergs with VD? Most of the times i see VD users as part of zergs.

This. Almost all of our dps are in it, and I know it's true for other groups. It's what happened with prox det all over again, including the new and revamped anti-group prox det

We warned people as soon as this set was revealed on PTS what would happen. We warned people what would happen with prox det, with siege, with rapids. Now we have the meta that we do and ww2 have been silent on their clustereff patch for about a month. Hopefully the silence is indicative of a personnel change.

Xsorus · April 2016

Zheg wrote: »

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Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Get killed couple of times yesterday by people with VD, while server was laggy and noticed: VD proc when you get killing blow, procs, and after that you dying from killing blow, so it doesn't actually kills you, it's even gives you something like 100ms to do something before dying

GRxKnight wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Does someone really kills zergs with VD? Most of the times i see VD users as part of zergs.

This. Almost all of our dps are in it, and I know it's true for other groups. It's what happened with prox det all over again, including the new and revamped anti-group prox det

We warned people as soon as this set was revealed on PTS what would happen. We warned people what would happen with prox det, with siege, with rapids. Now we have the meta that we do and ww2 have been silent on their clustereff patch for about a month. Hopefully the silence is indicative of a personnel change.

I'm not sure what you warned us of?

That Magicka DPS would use a set that hurts the most dominate strategy in the game?

That's like saying you warned everyone Water is Wet.

Zheg · April 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

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Zheg wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Get killed couple of times yesterday by people with VD, while server was laggy and noticed: VD proc when you get killing blow, procs, and after that you dying from killing blow, so it doesn't actually kills you, it's even gives you something like 100ms to do something before dying

GRxKnight wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Does someone really kills zergs with VD? Most of the times i see VD users as part of zergs.

This. Almost all of our dps are in it, and I know it's true for other groups. It's what happened with prox det all over again, including the new and revamped anti-group prox det

We warned people as soon as this set was revealed on PTS what would happen. We warned people what would happen with prox det, with siege, with rapids. Now we have the meta that we do and ww2 have been silent on their clustereff patch for about a month. Hopefully the silence is indicative of a personnel change.

I'm not sure what you warned us of?

That Magicka DPS would use a set that hurts the most dominate strategy in the game?

That's like saying you warned everyone Water is Wet.

No, that magicka dps in groups would use this and the other broken components of the meta just as much if not more than the try hards like you and the game would remain just as broken because the fundamental issues have yet to be addressed. Every time you celebrate a stupid set like this you're indicating to ww2 that half-baked fixes are fine and they can continue doing so. VD should have been met with a unanimous "NO, fix aoe caps and relevant combat mechanics, an item set is not an acceptable fix, even temporarily - not when these problems have been around for as long as they have been."

Xsorus · April 2016

Zheg wrote: »

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Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Get killed couple of times yesterday by people with VD, while server was laggy and noticed: VD proc when you get killing blow, procs, and after that you dying from killing blow, so it doesn't actually kills you, it's even gives you something like 100ms to do something before dying

GRxKnight wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Does someone really kills zergs with VD? Most of the times i see VD users as part of zergs.

This. Almost all of our dps are in it, and I know it's true for other groups. It's what happened with prox det all over again, including the new and revamped anti-group prox det

We warned people as soon as this set was revealed on PTS what would happen. We warned people what would happen with prox det, with siege, with rapids. Now we have the meta that we do and ww2 have been silent on their clustereff patch for about a month. Hopefully the silence is indicative of a personnel change.

I'm not sure what you warned us of?

That Magicka DPS would use a set that hurts the most dominate strategy in the game?

That's like saying you warned everyone Water is Wet.

No, that magicka dps in groups would use this and the other broken components of the meta just as much if not more than the try hards like you and the game would remain just as broken because the fundamental issues have yet to be addressed. Every time you celebrate a stupid set like this you're indicating to ww2 that half-baked fixes are fine and they can continue doing so. VD should have been met with a unanimous "NO, fix aoe caps and relevant combat mechanics, an item set is not an acceptable fix, even temporarily - not when these problems have been around for as long as they have been."

Only they stated they weren't going to remove AOE caps.

What you're suggesting is [snip] to Just Wish it into existence despite all evidence pointing to it not happening no matter hard you wish.

I mean..I've made countless videos on why AOE caps should be removed...I've talked about it A LOT longer then you have... Hell Lowbei got banned from these forums because he kept bringing it up...

Know whats still in the game? AoE caps...So i'm tired of telling them to do what should of been done over a year ago...I'll take VD and blow up anyone who's stacking.

Oh and the best part about VD...I've not had a single issue with it killing me...I've died one time to it (and I laughed cause it was hilarious)

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Zheg · April 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

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Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Get killed couple of times yesterday by people with VD, while server was laggy and noticed: VD proc when you get killing blow, procs, and after that you dying from killing blow, so it doesn't actually kills you, it's even gives you something like 100ms to do something before dying

GRxKnight wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Does someone really kills zergs with VD? Most of the times i see VD users as part of zergs.

This. Almost all of our dps are in it, and I know it's true for other groups. It's what happened with prox det all over again, including the new and revamped anti-group prox det

We warned people as soon as this set was revealed on PTS what would happen. We warned people what would happen with prox det, with siege, with rapids. Now we have the meta that we do and ww2 have been silent on their clustereff patch for about a month. Hopefully the silence is indicative of a personnel change.

I'm not sure what you warned us of?

That Magicka DPS would use a set that hurts the most dominate strategy in the game?

That's like saying you warned everyone Water is Wet.

No, that magicka dps in groups would use this and the other broken components of the meta just as much if not more than the try hards like you and the game would remain just as broken because the fundamental issues have yet to be addressed. Every time you celebrate a stupid set like this you're indicating to ww2 that half-baked fixes are fine and they can continue doing so. VD should have been met with a unanimous "NO, fix aoe caps and relevant combat mechanics, an item set is not an acceptable fix, even temporarily - not when these problems have been around for as long as they have been."

Only they stated they weren't going to remove AOE caps.

What you're suggesting is to Just Wish it into existance despite all evidence pointing to it not happening no matter hard you wish.

I mean..I've made countless videos on why AOE caps should be removed...I've talked about it A LOT longer then you have... Hell Lowbei got banned from these forums because he kept bringing it up...

Know whats still in the game? AoE caps...So i'm tired of telling them to do what should of been done over a year ago...I'll take VD and blow up anyone who's stacking.

They also said they'd never do away with subs, and that vet levels wouldn't be removed. The latter happened because there was a strong enough and a prolonged enough outcry. You can't get a strong enough outcry when they test the waters with a stupid set like VD and people tacitly or outright approve of it; that tells ww2 that it's sufficient when it's not.

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Xsorus · April 2016

Zheg wrote: »

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Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Get killed couple of times yesterday by people with VD, while server was laggy and noticed: VD proc when you get killing blow, procs, and after that you dying from killing blow, so it doesn't actually kills you, it's even gives you something like 100ms to do something before dying

GRxKnight wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Does someone really kills zergs with VD? Most of the times i see VD users as part of zergs.

This. Almost all of our dps are in it, and I know it's true for other groups. It's what happened with prox det all over again, including the new and revamped anti-group prox det

We warned people as soon as this set was revealed on PTS what would happen. We warned people what would happen with prox det, with siege, with rapids. Now we have the meta that we do and ww2 have been silent on their clustereff patch for about a month. Hopefully the silence is indicative of a personnel change.

I'm not sure what you warned us of?

That Magicka DPS would use a set that hurts the most dominate strategy in the game?

That's like saying you warned everyone Water is Wet.

No, that magicka dps in groups would use this and the other broken components of the meta just as much if not more than the try hards like you and the game would remain just as broken because the fundamental issues have yet to be addressed. Every time you celebrate a stupid set like this you're indicating to ww2 that half-baked fixes are fine and they can continue doing so. VD should have been met with a unanimous "NO, fix aoe caps and relevant combat mechanics, an item set is not an acceptable fix, even temporarily - not when these problems have been around for as long as they have been."

Only they stated they weren't going to remove AOE caps.

What you're suggesting is the Bernie Sanders approach....Just Wish it into existance despite all evidence pointing to it not happening no matter hard you wish.

I mean..I've made countless videos on why AOE caps should be removed...I've talked about it A LOT longer then you have... Hell Lowbei got banned from these forums because he kept bringing it up...

Know whats still in the game? AoE caps...So i'm tired of telling them to do what should of been done over a year ago...I'll take VD and blow up anyone who's stacking.

They also said they'd never do away with subs, and that vet levels wouldn't be removed. The latter happened because there was a strong enough and a prolonged enough outcry. You can't get a strong enough outcry when they test the waters with a stupid set like VD and people tacitly or outright approve of it; that tells ww2 that it's sufficient when it's not.

And yet....despite 2+ years of talking about AOE caps..they're still in..I'll take what I can get...If they remove AOE caps later i'll be fine with it...But sitting around hoping it happens while you zerg around freely with your ZergBall wasn't healthy for the game either.

Septimus_Magna · April 2016

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The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Im well aware of that, I was just explaining why the VD user has a pretty significant disadvantage in a 1v1 situation.

For group play VD is by far the best set in the game atm, my VD tooltip is currently 26.2k on my magicka NB, its just insane the devs put in such a set to balance the game.

Junipus · April 2016

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Get killed couple of times yesterday by people with VD, while server was laggy and noticed: VD proc when you get killing blow, procs, and after that you dying from killing blow, so it doesn't actually kills you, it's even gives you something like 100ms to do something before dying
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GRxKnight wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Does someone really kills zergs with VD? Most of the times i see VD users as part of zergs.

Only way to kill zergs with VD is when they're nicely stacked so enough of them die to a bomber, or you have multiple timed bombers disrupting them enough to allow an organised group to succeed. However most of the time there's enough people in one place to make it worthwhile there's enough lag so nothing goes off with enough damage to do diddly squat

GRxKnight · April 2016

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

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GRxKnight wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Im well aware of that, I was just explaining why the VD user has a pretty significant disadvantage in a 1v1 situation.

For group play VD is by far the best set in the game atm, my VD tooltip is currently 26.2k on my magicka NB, its just insane the devs put in such a set to balance the game.

26.2? Is that fully buffed? What's you magicka and spell power?

Septimus_Magna · April 2016

GRxKnight wrote: »

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Septimus_Magna wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

The set does not deal damage to the person who dies to proc it, but their proc does appear on their death recap. It's just a UI bug.

Yeah, the same as camohunter doubleproc: it's just UI bug which deals damage with NO ETA to fix it.

Ive been using this set for while now and it often seems to proc after you kill someone but it doesnt actually do any dmg, they already died to the attack before VD explosion.

In a 1v1 situation the one using VD actually has a pretty big disadvantage because they could have a lot more spell dmg if they were using a different 5pc set.

It's not that big as you trying to show in fact, yes it's lack of damage in comparison with willpower+torug, but not huge, and you get spellcrit which also can be considered as direct dps increase.

Most VD users will already use Willpower because its the best 3pc magicka set in the game.

So if I would choose not to run 5x VD I could equip 4x Overwhelming and 1x Molag Kena.

258 spell dmg extra (unbuffed) > 258 x 1,20 = 310 spell dmg extra (buffed)

Pretty big difference if you ask me.

The goal is to kill a group of people in a chain reaction to a bomb....overwhelming and Kena cannot do this with aoe caps

Im well aware of that, I was just explaining why the VD user has a pretty significant disadvantage in a 1v1 situation.

For group play VD is by far the best set in the game atm, my VD tooltip is currently 26.2k on my magicka NB, its just insane the devs put in such a set to balance the game.

26.2? Is that fully buffed? What's you magicka and spell power?

Its buffed with minor berserk, 2x legendary sharpened swords and 3x legendary impen gear.

I believe the tooltip value doesnt increase with major sorcery buff, I have around 3k spell dmg on my DW bar and 37k max magicka (Bosmer).

MaximillianDiE · April 2016

Good groups very rarely die to VD. This set benefits organised guild groups more than anyone else as anyone who's actually run in a group that's adapted to the new meta (and is most likely wearing 5 piece VD) will tell you. It also gives the one shot cheeseblades something to do - however in all the videos posted to date you won't see any of the top guilds featuring as we have adapted to the new meta and are (a) using it ourselves to blow up zergs and less coordinated groups as we did before the patch; and (b) consequently we know how to avoid getting blown up by it so never stay still grouped on one spot for long enough to get bombed.

Emperor siege in a high lag situation is far more scary than VD as is the ridiculous amount of snares and slows in the meta now which are an mDK's bane. I've died far more to not seeing the rings from emperor siege and from getting stuck due to bombard (insert snare) spam than I have from VD since the patch dropped.

GRxKnight · April 2016

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Good groups very rarely die to VD. This set benefits organised guild groups more than anyone else as anyone who's actually run in a group that's adapted to the new meta (and is most likely wearing 5 piece VD) will tell you. It also gives the one shot cheeseblades something to do - however in all the videos posted to date you won't see any of the top guilds featuring as we have adapted to the new meta and are (a) using it ourselves to blow up zergs and less coordinated groups as we did before the patch; and (b) consequently we know how to avoid getting blown up by it so never stay still grouped on one spot for long enough to get bombed.

Emperor siege in a high lag situation is far more scary than VD as is the ridiculous amount of snares and slows in the meta now which are an mDK's bane. I've died far more to not seeing the rings from emperor siege and from getting stuck due to bombard (insert snare) spam than I have from VD since the patch dropped.

Agreed with the first paragraph...no amount of spell damage and magicka will allow you to burst a smart group when they're composed of 10 templar healers