Remove Animation Cancelling

STEVIL

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Oh. Much better. No problem. It isn't ruining it directly. It's ruining it by causing it to be almost mandatory to complete certain things. If you're unable to animation cancel, there's a good chance your damage is lacking. And if your damage is lacking, certain content can't be successfully completed. Follow me?

Ok so far but, please be specific.

1 Which PVE content REQUIRES animatiin cancelling to complete?

2 Also, what percentage of the player base do you think have their PVE experience "ruined" by not being able to compkete that content?

3 If those players were unable to complete that content due to say chosing to not slot heals or to not block or not interrupt or not "use crush shock until cfrag procs instead of spamming cfrag" or not wearing good quality well coordinated gear sets would you also see it as unacceptable problems ruining PVE?

Are you ok with there being some small amount of content in the game that say half the players wont practically speaking ever be able to complete bc it requires s higher level of time and effort than their circumstances allow? Should everyone be able to best vet pve trials in white quality, non-coordinated gear that arent sets?

MY ANSWERS WOULD BE:

1 I dont know of sny PVE content where AC is required. Like any other DPS boostingvtachniwue, it will help some trials and most any combat. However, dont claim to have omniscience on all content in all circumstsnces. I rarely use AC.


2 If the content you are talking about is endgame pve vet trials, i think that percentage is loe, maybe 1-5% total if that. IMO someone driven to compkete those so much it would ruin the game for them is likely an ardent AC afficionado. So the intersection of "doesnt AC" and "must complete vet trials or the game is ruined" is miniscule.

3. Thirdly, no, i see all of these as techniques for "getting better results". There may be some player somewhere for ehom finessing the cfrag proc thing is offensive and an exploit, but that doesnt lead me to feel it should be considered suck.

Some might see dropping aoe maybe dot or three on my space when attacked by meleers, bc i know they will stay there for the most part and its very efficient, AS AN EXPLOIT designed to up my dps. They might argue it doednt make sense that i and all my allies are immune. They would be IMO right about the sense part.
So, i dont see using AC to avoid unnecessary dead time between actions as any different. "Hold down hvy attack and letbtriggering a skill end the hvy instead of lrt go of heavy attsck and then later triggering skill" is a technique, just like "use shock until cfrag procs" imo.

4 Finally, no, i am fine with there being content I CANNOT BEAT... yet. It should be less than say 5% of the overall content. It gives me more to learn.

Whatzituyah

Animation Canceling was not a feature to begin with its a exploit since your canceling your animation.

STEVIL

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Animation Canceling was not a feature to begin with its a exploit since your canceling your animation.

CP went features to begin with. Neither was grin focus. Are they exploits too?

If I deliberately use pulse until cfrag's free cast time procs, I am eliminating the cast time effectively making cfrag instant and cheap. Is this also an exploit?

Recremen

Excellent April Fools prank, spot on. My jimmies were rustled fora bit there.

Bofrari

Doncellius wrote: »

another one of these threads....

The problem is these people actually believe they know what they are talking about its completely sad they actually believe that someone that animation cancels can kill them faster or whatever goes on in their brain.

DHale

Most ppl like animation cancelling. It takes minutes to learn and needs to be practiced. Those that don't like it can't do it or do well and get Rekt. On your horse ride back think... Huh I need to learn and practice that. That guy stomped me... Oh yeah I can do the same thing he does. Just like we all did once upon a time.

Whatzituyah

STEVIL wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Animation Canceling was not a feature to begin with its a exploit since your canceling your animation.

CP went features to begin with. Neither was grin focus. Are they exploits too?

If I deliberately use pulse until cfrag's free cast time procs, I am eliminating the cast time effectively making cfrag instant and cheap. Is this also an exploit?

CP is something they added and Animation Canceling is unintended big difference. Same goes for your pulse something they meant to be in the game. Now we can either A. Argue this til someone intervenes or B. Agree to Disagree.

STEVIL

Whatzituyah wrote: »

CP is something they added and Animation Canceling is unintended big difference. Same goes for your pulse something they meant to be in the game. Now we can either A. Argue this til mods intervene or B. Agree to Disagree.

I would presume a third option eould be discuss, question, answer, debate etc but if you say thats off the table the i will have to choose to disagree respectfully and accept you dont seek discussion.

But, someone somewhere at the developers wrote code to handle animation prioritization and made decisions as to what trumps what and when. So, i dont see it as unintended at all since they now have apoarently endorsed it, if multiple posts by anti-ac crowd claim correctly.

Ch4mpTW

JDC1985 wrote: »

Doncellius wrote: »

another one of these threads....

The problem is these people actually believe they know what they are talking about its completely sad they actually believe that someone that animation cancels can kill them faster or whatever goes on in their brain.

... Someone who animation cancels CAN kill you faster than someone who doesn't. Because more actions can be done in a shorter time span. I know you know basic math. If Person A does 12 actions in 20seconds, compared to Person B who does 6 actions in 20 seconds. You tell me who is more dangerous in combat? Person A or Person B? C'mon son, y'all gotta chill. Lol.

flguy147ub17_ESO

DHale wrote: »

Most ppl like animation cancelling. It takes minutes to learn and needs to be practiced. Those that don't like it can't do it or do well and get Rekt. On your horse ride back think... Huh I need to learn and practice that. That guy stomped me... Oh yeah I can do the same thing he does. Just like we all did once upon a time.

Or some people just dont like, just like some people dont like tab targeted combat like WOW. Different people like different combat mechanics. Just like some people like different genres of games.

idk

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Ok how is this.
First off, thank you for this. You see, from my limited knowledge of AC it seemed a PVP problem and so i keep wondering why all these AC threads spam across the general forum instead of the dedicated PVP forum.

But you have apparently seen some concrete objective way AC is ruining PVE.

I am VERY INTERESTED to hear you explain that and show its harm to the PVE play.

Hope this is clear enough for you.

Oh. Much better. No problem. It isn't ruining it directly. It's ruining it by causing it to be almost mandatory to complete certain things. If you're unable to animation cancel, there's a good chance your damage is lacking. And if your damage is lacking, certain content can't be successfully completed. Follow me?

I don't follow you. Animation canceling is no different than having to follow a certain rotation in other games. Some players figure it out while others struggle with the game due to low dps

I see no reason to dumb down a game and certainly none is offered in this thread.


What do s hilarious is the devs have outright made one part of animation canceling an official part of the game by having light attacks doing more damage with the MA master destro staff and some set bonuses.

Valkas

It's part of the game, blah blah blah. They are not removing it, learn to do it or don't stop whining about something that will never change. It's good, it adds depth and a tier of skill to combat. You can do everything without it, and since you probably run with a zerg in pvp, you will be alright.

Whatzituyah

STEVIL wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

CP is something they added and Animation Canceling is unintended big difference. Same goes for your pulse something they meant to be in the game. Now we can either A. Argue this til mods intervene or B. Agree to Disagree.

I would presume a third option eould be discuss, question, answer, debate etc but if you say thats off the table the i will have to choose to disagree respectfully and accept you dont seek discussion.

But, someone somewhere at the developers wrote code to handle animation prioritization and made decisions as to what trumps what and when. So, i dont see it as unintended at all since they now have apoarently endorsed it, if multiple posts by anti-ac crowd claim correctly.

Oh that would be C. discuss, debate, etc I just forgot about it. Coding is hard this has to be an unintended feature think about it why would the animation be there if it wasn't meant to be played?

TheHsN

You put an animation to skills but people are canceling it...Poor designer...:)...I want it go too by the way...:)

idk

TheHsN wrote: »

You put an animation to skills but people are canceling it...Poor designer...:)...I want it go too by the way...:)

lol. Funny. Animation and skill have a priority that was coded into the game. No need for such structure of canceling was not intended.

Keep trying young paduans.

Lord_Wrath

Animation cancelling brings a tier of skill? Yea let me play darts with a magnet and trot around victoriously...When I die in pvp because someone can pull off a combo that doesnt give me a chance to even fart and all I can see is one move being made, that doesnt tell me you're a good player at all, that just tells me you're a cheap player.

kadar

*Expresses complete and utter disagreement with the removal of Animation Cancelling*

*moves on*

Deathztalker

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Enough is enough. Even as a sorcerer who has abused this mechanic, it's ridiculous and is ruining the game. Even outside of PVP. Because you can animation cancel does NOT mean you're elite, special, or anything of the sort. All it means is that you're able to slip in a by more damage via exploitation. This was a mechanic that wasn't even meant to be in the game to begin with, and it is now April of 2016. And the crap is still here. I don't know what type of mead or skooma you all at ZOS are abusing, but remove it. Enough is enough.

To funny (^_^) do you remember all the people complaining about not being able to get off there interrupts before they introduce animation cancelling? Now people are complaining they don't like being able to use interrupts sorry my bad I mean animation cancelling :-) You can ether have your interrupts work or not work but you can't have both without a massive rewrite to the game lol

dday3six

"It's current month and year" - Such a convincing argument.

Ackwalan

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

They announced a while back that animation cancelling is basically part of the game. So I dont think they will ever get rid of it. They did plan some changes to it but then backtracked those changes before TG went live.

They never said "it is basically part of the game". They said it was unintentional and they didn't know how to fix it. Since then, people just ran with it.

Also, since people claim it doesn't affect the GCD, then why do it, and why does dps increase when it is done?

Buffler

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Enough is enough. Even as a sorcerer who has abused this mechanic, it's ridiculous and is ruining the game. Even outside of PVP. Because you can animation cancel does NOT mean you're elite, special, or anything of the sort. All it means is that you're able to slip in a by more damage via exploitation. This was a mechanic that wasn't even meant to be in the game to begin with, and it is now April of 2016. And the crap is still here. I don't know what type of mead or skooma you all at ZOS are abusing, but remove it. Enough is enough.

PS: Please give console a text chat already. It took you until March 2016 to give console players combat text. So I'm assuming you're going to get around to doing it sometime in 2017 or 2018? Unacceptable. Get your business together, and stop dilly-dallying your player base.

So you admit to abusing and now because you are fed up it needs to stop?

You have zero right to complain about something you freely admit to exploiting yourself.