Will they bring the nerf hammer

sirrmattus

to vicious death and clever alchemist? because of whats goin on in pvp?

literally a group of 3 mag nb can instant kill a whole zerg

Viracocha

Dont stack, problem solved.

gw2only1b14_ESO

Dude is there any funny Monty Python meme out there that shows them stacked/zerged and a enemy pounces on them..It would fit this



OH waite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgj3nZWtOfA

Xendyn

Isn't that kind of the point of those sets?

dsalter

Xendyn wrote: »

Isn't that kind of the point of those sets?

it is but my issue is that they also work on individuals. not cool.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »

Dude is there any funny Monty Python meme out there that shows them stacked/zerged and a enemy pounces on them..It would fit this

The scene with the "killer rabbit" would fit nicely.

Callous2208

I just don't know where people are finding these small "zerg busting" groups. All I see are mighty zergs using this set against each other in an all out battle of, "who has more players using proxy/vd."

gw2only1b14_ESO

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

gw2only1b14_ESO wrote: »

Dude is there any funny Monty Python meme out there that shows them stacked/zerged and a enemy pounces on them..It would fit this

The scene with the "killer rabbit" would fit nicely.

Postyed as you typed :P

vamp_emily

It is sad when people die they always think that nerfing is the solution.

Mady

Don't stack. Stay away from the zerg. Hold block. Problem solved.

It's nothing new. You also can get ganked by Evil Hunter, Snipe, Wrecking Blow, Heavy Attack etc....

Reevster

I think is awesome... My Mag NB doesnt even have VC set or CA and when I run at a mob they run away! Well some of the time lol.

I was like , what the heck are they running for.....

Tavore1138

Mady wrote: »

Don't stack. Stay away from the zerg. Hold block. Problem solved.

It's nothing new. You also can get gank by Evil Hunter, Snipe, Wrecking Blow, Heavy Attack etc....

It is new because it is a mechanic that punishes you for grouping with other players, even 1 other player, even standing near other players you don't know... IN AN MMO WAR GAME!!!!11!

Shoddy fix for an engine problem.

sirrmattus

First off, im not whining. I solo pvp. Always by myself.

Callous2208

Mady wrote: »

Don't stack. Stay away from the zerg. Hold block. Problem solved.

It's nothing new. You also can get gank by Evil Hunter, Snipe, Wrecking Blow, Heavy Attack etc....

This sounds good in theory, the problem is everything in Cyro is Zerg vs Zerg no matter where you go. In the zerg you run the risk of getting caught in the prox/vd spam, outside of the zerg you will immediately get rolled by the enemy zerg no matter what skills they decide to use.

Morimizo

See sig.

sirrmattus

Callous2208 wrote: »

Mady wrote: »

Don't stack. Stay away from the zerg. Hold block. Problem solved.

It's nothing new. You also can get gank by Evil Hunter, Snipe, Wrecking Blow, Heavy Attack etc....

This sounds good in theory, the problem is everything in Cyro is Zerg vs Zerg no matter where you go. In the zerg you run the risk of getting caught in the prox/vd spam, outside of the zerg you will immediately get rolled by the enemy zerg no matter what skills they decide to use.

TRUTH

bikerangelo

Can you please stop

putting the first half of your sentences in the thread title.

Katahdin

Sure, don't stack, don't stay with the group. Just go sit in the corner of the map and pick flowers instead of joining the war effort in a war zone....

Also, evil hunter, wrecking blow, snipe etc don't take out 20 people in one hit.

sirrmattus

Gruffleton wrote: »

Can you please stop

putting the first half of your sentences in the thread title.

no



i cannot. i enjoy it. the suspense

TequilaFire

Saying don't stack is getting old.
It is being used in every fight even when solo by myself I get Prox Det/VD instead of a fight 1v1.

Duiwel

OP if you were 3 v 1 and these guys have full set of that gear ( meaning they pvp often ) then you didn't really stand a chance against them anyway...

They are working as intended and good riddance! I can't wait to have my full set VD ( I missed out on the rings cause I couldn't afford em ) I quietly died inside that night

flguy147ub17_ESO

Callous2208 wrote: »

Mady wrote: »

Don't stack. Stay away from the zerg. Hold block. Problem solved.

It's nothing new. You also can get gank by Evil Hunter, Snipe, Wrecking Blow, Heavy Attack etc....

This sounds good in theory, the problem is everything in Cyro is Zerg vs Zerg no matter where you go. In the zerg you run the risk of getting caught in the prox/vd spam, outside of the zerg you will immediately get rolled by the enemy zerg no matter what skills they decide to use.

Exactly, you almost have to roll in a Zerg or you get killed very fast from another Zerg so the whole idea of the VD and giving prox det much faster is a complete fail. I believe the whole reason for doing both of these is to try and fix the LAG by breaking up Zergs. But news flash ZOS, you will never ever break up Zergs in Cyrodiil ever. People will always Zerg in the way PVP is setup in this game and a lot of people bought the game for the massive PVP battles you promoted.

Callous2208

Duiwel wrote: »

OP if you were 3 v 1 and these guys have full set of that gear ( meaning they pvp often ) then you didn't really stand a chance against them anyway...

They are working as intended and good riddance! I can't wait to have my full set VD ( I missed out on the rings cause I couldn't afford em ) I quietly died inside that night

I get what you're saying but it really doesn't matter at this point. Everyone is running it and everyone is still zerging up. Not much has changed. You may get lucky and gank a few people with it, as they are running to join the zerg, but these instances will be few and far between. The only real change you will see is VD at the end of every one of your death recaps.

Cernow

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

It is new because it is a mechanic that punishes you for grouping with other players, even 1 other player, even standing near other players you don't know... IN AN MMO WAR GAME!!!!11!

Shoddy fix for an engine problem.

^^ Exactly this.

It's got nothing to do with game balance and everything to do with a lazy attempt to work around game engine problems.

Giving players zerg busting tools is no bad thing. But these tools need to be part of the Alliance War abilities system which anyone can spec into. They need to be abilities which players can choose to fit into their build and which smart players can counter. There is no counter for the VD explosion other than the deeply lame mechanic of "don't stand next to other players". This not an appropriate way to handle things in a multiplayer PvP environment that is meant to be about grouping and teamwork.

Putting zerg busting tools into gear is also a bad design decision because it encourages elitism. Only players lucky enough to get the right drops via Rewards For The Worthy, or rich enough to buy them on the open market, can access this gameplay. And before anyone says "you're just jealous", I have a full set of VD on my current PvP main.

sirrmattus

Duiwel wrote: »

OP if you were 3 v 1 and these guys have full set of that gear ( meaning they pvp often ) then you didn't really stand a chance against them anyway...

They are working as intended and good riddance! I can't wait to have my full set VD ( I missed out on the rings cause I couldn't afford em ) I quietly died inside that night

so your saying thyre auto better than me cause they have vicious death? wow.. I kill magblades very often with my stamblade, even the ones with vicious death. but cant do *** when they roll up in stealth with a ticking time bomb that they can STILL CLOAK WITH and blow you up in 1.5 seconds.

Frawr

Do you know I think I have thought of a better solution to zerging than this gimmicky set.

Get ready for it

They could remove the damage fall-off when hitting over 6 players.

We could even have ultimate that generates dynamically based on the number of people that you hit. This way, more people around you = more meteors ( or, indeed, bats) to spam.

Wouldn't this be an innovative solution to the zerg meta.

flguy147ub17_ESO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P5egjUf1iA

Its funny how they promoted this video to sell the game and now they are doing everything possible to break up these massive battles.

Caza99

A zerg busting set is busting zergs, better nerf it.

sluice

It's great to finally have a decent tool to fight zerg, I'll admit.

What botters me is that this is the new Flavor of the month.. and EVERYONE has to run it..
You see magica nightblade running towards small groups all the time thinking they are Sypher.

Say what you want but that combo of:
CA + VD + Proxy Det + Soul Tether
is too strong.

I don't feel any of those skill are OP individually, it's all of them mixed together that is OP..
I'm curious to see how Zenimax will respond to this issue.

Sugaroverdose

sirrmattus wrote: »

to vicious death and clever alchemist? because of whats goin on in pvp?

literally a group of 3 mag nb can instant kill a whole zerg

Clever alchemist in fact don't really connected to alchemists at all, i call it "stupid alchemist" instead.

I thought that someone in ZOS had an idea:

let's make set which boost damage for each potion negative effect, like this: 220spell/wep dmg per negative effect, that's ridiculous to have such potions in game but not use them

But Wrobel appeared and said something like this:

It's too complicated let's boost them for 660 from any potion, or casuals will complain that they must think before using it and spend gold on resources to make negative potions and have to deal with negative effects

Frawr

sluice wrote: »

It's great to finally have a decent tool to fight zerg, I'll admit.

What botters me is that this is the new Flavor of the month.. and EVERYONE has to run it..
You see magica nightblade running towards small groups all the time thinking they are Sypher.

Say what you want but that combo of:
CA + VD + Proxy Det + Soul Tether
is too strong.

I don't feel any of those skill are OP individually, it's all of them mixed together that is OP..
I'm curious to see how Zenimax will respond to this issue.

The combo itself isn't massively op. No worse than old dk style aoe.

The problem is the massive power creep of dps coupled with a lack of mitigation creep, meaning that everyone is squishier than ever.

This problem is due to lack of soft caps and the crap nature of heavy armour.

Frankly, due to the tradeoff of heavy in terms of lack of penetration, cost reduction, regen bonus etc (and add to that the lack of stamina regen while blocking), it should mitigate a lot more damage than it actually does. Perhaps an increase of 2x the effectiveness of medium.

Or, remove player penetration so that armour is effective.