Enter Cyrodiil as a Neutral Character

ArchMikem

I think this might be a practical fix to the problem everyone has when trying to get the PvE content in Cyrodiil done. But already I can also see this could be abused, so I'll do my best to address that too.

I recognize that Cyrodiil is the big large, "Don't Go Here If You Don't Want To Die" zone that is mainly for the Alliance War PvP aspect of the game. Players go there to play against other players. Yes that's all well and good. But Zenimax had the idea to also include PvE content within Cyrodiil. Now unless you're one of those god-like Vet16 players who can handle unwelcome interruptions during a Delve, Quest, or Dolmen, the majority of us left don't care to be ganked while in the middle of a boss fight. And then are forced to travel all the way back to start over again, that is, if we're not ganked on the way.

One possible way is to add another feature to the Campaign menu. To enter one as a Neutral Character.

In this instance, your character is now untouchable by enemy faction PvPlayers and they themselves are untouchable by you. You are now free to roam about the cabin and do your questing.

However, being invincible can be abused in a PvP area. An idea I just thought of was to act as a spy for your guild/faction. Perhaps you enter your guild's campaign as a Neutral player and then go off to an enemy Keep to get a read on their defenses and movements. Suddenly your guild knows exactly where and what the enemy players are at and are doing. To fix this, Keeps can have a no-go zone applied to a certain radius around them. If a Neutral player decided to get a bit too close, then you'll end up just like if you decided to wade into Slaughter fish infested waters. A very, very hard hitting arrow to the knee.

This way PvP players can't be taken advantage of, and players who just want to get the Cyrodiil PvE content done won't be harassed.

Thevampirenight

I like your idea, and also way shrines will work for neutral characters! As well as respawn points, in caves and dungeons I would support this idea it would be good, I think.
Lets hope they one day will do this!
This would help people with sky shards and all that as well. This would encourage players to take advantage of this neutral status to get things done. Which is a good idea, I think at least.

starkerealm

ArchMikem wrote: »

I think this might be a practical fix to the problem everyone has when trying to get the PvE content in Cyrodiil done.

I've never had a problem finishing the PvE content in Cyrodiil. I mean, granted, I've only finished everything three times, and I might not have finished all of the delves more than once, because there aren't enough hours in the day... but... you know.

7788b14_ESO

What if you could flag for PvP or PvE and can't change that until you leave the zone?

ArchMikem

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

What if you could flag for PvP or PvE and can't change that until you leave the zone?

Exactly, once you enter Cyrodiil as one or the other you can't change your standing until you leave the campaign. Being able to change inside the zone would be a terrible idea.

clayandaudrey_ESO

Only if the achievements, sky shards etc can be done in the pvp version. It is a war zone.

ArchMikem

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Only if the achievements, sky shards etc can be done in the pvp version. It is a war zone.

The PvE content itself wouldn't be affected, only your status to the other players would.

starkerealm

Honestly, the easiest way to handle the Cyrodiil PvE content is with a Night's Silence set, and being careful. Also, if you die to PvE enemies and there's no nearby enemy players, resurrection works normally in Cyrodiil. So... just don't be where enemy players are. If you've got enemies around... and you're in stealth so you see them first, then you'll know to avoid them, and go somewhere else for a little while. There's a lot of Cyrodiil to explore.

Egonieser

I'd rather be factionless all together so I can gank EVERYONE, especially my own faction. I dislike so many people there. The whole forced faction thing is a thing I hate most in this game.
Why can't we have a "mercenary" or "freelance" option alongside faction choice in the creation menu? Maybe I don't want to fight alongside self-absorbed Bretons, pompous Elves or bloody snow Barbarians, but instead be a roaming loner who's alliegance belongs to those that pay the most "for the duration". Quests would all remain the same, just instead be called "contracts" as you are not doing it for the benefit of the greater good of the faction, but for your own personal gain.

There are more than enough characters both in the lore and in the game that do not have a banner, so why are we forced to have one? These political, petty squabbles do not concern me the slightest - I wanna kill whoever I damn please, and it also would come with a price - you are fighting 3 alliances instead of 2, and other faction less members - oh how I would murder someone to have that option to freelance.
I don't really care for keeps or faction points, and as a freelancer you wouldn't participate in such activities - as - you have no friends unless you invite someone else freelancing in your group to become temporary allies - only for the sole purpose of causing havoc, murder and have fun doing it! And the respawn points would be the PvE towns instead of keeps. Damn... Why do I play this game again?... Nvm I guess :P

Rikumaru

They should add a campaign for people who only want to PvE that has PvP disabled. I would also like to see a campaign where you can PvP in PvE zones. PvPing in towns or mountainous areas would be very interesting.

FriedEggSandwich

I'm genuinely surprised at how often these threads emerge. Are the pve players really that concerned by getting all content done solo? I'd like to pvp in auridon. Can I please?

rotaugen454

I made it through all the quests and shards. It's not that tough, just be sneaky. It's slow but it works.

AdamBourke

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I'm genuinely surprised at how often these threads emerge. Are the pve players really that concerned by getting all content done solo? I'd like to pvp in auridon. Can I please?

The difference there is that there is currently no PvP content in Auridon. IF you want to PvP, all content is available to you without forcing you to PvE (past lvl 10...).

But if you want to PvE, some of the content forces you to take part in PvP - even if that part is running away and dying.

Having said that...

As a PvE player who in Cyrodiil mostly dies, I actually don't think that ESO should implement this. I think it's part of the game, and the PvP is what makes it part of the challenge. We have the non-champion campaign now, which levels the playing field a bit. But, if you only want to do the PvE, then you can just do PvE up until VR16. If you have ESO+ you can pretty much do it without grinding, and these days without ESO+ it doesn't take that much grinding. hen at this point you're the same level as everyone else and ought to be able to withstand the heat. Not everytime, but enough to get the job done!

Bofrari

Dude 99% of the game is pve if you can't handle the heat stay out of the kitchen.

Recremen

The PvE content in Cyro is much like the Imperial City, it's intended to be done with the risk of PvP fights. If that is not your thing, then Cyro is not for you. Something like this would also negatively affect the PvP as well, since the servers have population caps and it would necessarily be split between pure PvEers and PvPers if this were allowed. That would be incredibly uncool.

dem0n1k

Being unkillable by any faction in Cyrodiil will be abused whether you can get close to keeps or not. A spy doesn't need to be close to an enemy keep to report on troop movements... they can just position themselves at the mile gates & get a really good indication of how many troops & where they are going. It's true that this happens anyway.. but with faction traitor toons.

I have now completed all (or most of) the PVE content in Cyrodiil (including ALL skyshards) with 2 toons & the 3rd is on the way. It's really not hard & once you get a feel for it, you even start hoping that you will bump into an enemy faction player to 'spice it up' Getting the skyshards behind the enemy gates is the hardest part (unless you are in a huge zerg.. then it's easy) & the most fun. The latest changes to NPC guards that show up when the gate opens make it very hard to sneak in solo... but still very do-able.

I think that if there are players that really do not want the 'thrill' of the PVP element but still want to explore all of Cyrodiil.. then ZOS should consider making a campaign that is PVE only. No Alliance Points, no keep bonuses, No Emperor, No siege. Enemy faction Keeps could be empty or manned with fast respawning guards. This way they will cause no interference with AvA gameplay & not consume slots in busy PVP campaigns.

clayandaudrey_ESO

ArchMikem wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Only if the achievements, sky shards etc can be done in the pvp version. It is a war zone.

The PvE content itself wouldn't be affected, only your status to the other players would.

That's the point. If you want a neutral Cyrodiil fine but you should have to brave the pvp the get the rewards such as achievements sky shards etc.

clayandaudrey_ESO

Also the pve content in Cyrodiil is more to promote pvp. Do you really need to do all those go there get a letter quests to feel fulfilled?

Eshelmen

Fix the lag in Cyrodiil first, then fix Cyrodiil after.

KingYogi415

Nahhh

ArchMikem

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

That's the point. If you want a neutral Cyrodiil fine but you should have to brave the pvp the get the rewards such as achievements sky shards etc.

What makes the Cyrodiil Skyshards et al so important compared to the ones everywhere else? In Cyrodiil everything is worse. Travel times are worse, respawning is worse, difficulty is worse because other players will be running around and lying in wait.

I don't want to be cut off from content just because players who have no problem being stronger than others tell me to either deal with the trouble or stay out. And then there are the ones that tell us to hand over all our gold as a "toll" if we want to be spared.

You know the Gankers in EVE Online are doing the same exact thing. It's like playing with the Mob.

God I can't wait for Elder Scrolls VI.

Katahdin

Sorry OP this idea has been brought up before, many times before...... It would be way to easy to exploit.
It is a PVP zone first so if you want to go there you have to deal with potentially being killed by enemy players.
That will never change, ever. Because, you know, its a PvP zone. Enter at your own risk and expect to be killed some times.

That said, these days you rarely see people around those areas with quests (except for Bruma, that has more traffic than most places). Ive never been asked to pay a tribute or for protection. Ive done all the non repeatable quests and all the delves and skyshards on 4-5 characters now. Ive been killed a few times but it wasnt very often. A few times the other person was also doing quests and we just went our own way (this is rare).

If you are careful and play smart, you can get those quests done. Delves are another matter, again enter at your own risk. Get the rapid manuver skill. Just take the training quest then skip having to actually do it by talking to the NPC that lets you skip. That will make traveling faster. Also travel off the roads whenever possible, go cross country. Stay away from keeps, camps, lumber yards, farms and outposts. When you have to go into a town, get off the horse and sneak in. There are ways into every town that you can sneak and not be seen. Dont rush! If there is a lot activity in an area, leave and go back later. Just be smart and be careful and youll be fine. It can be kind of fun playing in Cyrodil, sneaking around, seeing other players and hoping they dont see you. Try running with a group taking keeps or resources, you might find playing in Cyrodil is more fun than you think.

Good Luck

phillyboy7897

No.

There's enough broken in Cyrodiil without making a rule change so you can get achievements.

100% this would result in spying, griefing and revealing stealthed players for the other faction along with god knows whatever else.

phillyboy7897

Go neutral and get the scroll ... I can keep going on and on.

Sorry this is a terrible idea, against the spirit of the zone, would result in all kinds of unforeseen issues.

Also it's a really bad idea.

ArchMikem

phillyboy7897 wrote: »

Go neutral and get the scroll ... I can keep going on and on.

Scrolls are PvP. Implying a neutral player could even interact with a Scroll. You're not understanding.

Katahdin

@ArchMikem

I edited my post above to give you some tips. Please have a look. Getting the PvE stuff in Cyro done isnt that hard to do and there are ways to make it easier.

phillyboy7897

You're missing my point man. They have no foresight to how changes would affect PvP.

There are hundreds of situations to consider this kind of change in, many of which could result in exploitation. They will miss 50% of them.

Out everything to consider changing in Cyrodiil this doesn't come close to making the list.

We have 1 zone and IC. They are riddled with lag. Asking it to be made PvE safe at the detriment of PVP, the point of the zone is terrible dude.

I know that's not your intention, I hope what I'm saying makes sense.

Jaronking

Ummmmmmmmmm No unless they allow us to PVP in all the PVE zones or just the Silver and Gold zones then thats the the only way I would even consider it and even then I'll probably say no.Cyrodiil is for PVP not PVE and no risk.If you want to go their prepare for PVP.

Farorin

I don't see the problem, yeah you might get ganked, but you might not. I've been ganked while PVEing in cyrodiil, but the majority of the time I don't come across other players or get ganked. It's pretty easy to PVE in cyrodiil especially if you are aware of your surroundings.

Samadhi

ZOS should create a Crown Store item that gives characters all the PvE Cyrodiil achievements and skyshards without setting foot in Cyrodiil.

WalkingLegacy

In the words of all the PvP haters, no you're breaking my 3 banner war immersion.

Cyrodiil doesn't need non supporters of the war effort. They should take all the PvE out of Cyrodiil and focus on the war effort only.